Democracy, stages, big government, dependence, political speeches, Alexander Fraser Tytler

As you listen to the political speeches, platforms and promises of the 2008 presidential campaign, ponder the words of Alexander Fraser Tytler, a british lawyer and writer. Tytler believed that governments and democracy go through stages that last 200 years. His thoughts are rather amazing when compared to the current state of democracy in the US. I believe we are in the apathy to dependence stage. Listen to the presidential candidates speak of what you are due from government, what you are entitled to. Is this what you really want, dependence?

A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.
The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations from the beginning of history has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:

  • From bondage to spiritual faith;
  • From spiritual faith to great courage;
  • From courage to liberty;
  • From liberty to abundance;
  • From abundance to complacency;
  • From complacency to apathy;
  • From apathy to dependence;
  • From dependence back into bondage.
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8 responses to “Democracy, stages, big government, dependence, political speeches, Alexander Fraser Tytler

  1. I belive the US is in the Apathy to dependence stage. How sad only one more stage to bondage,
    Please do not vote for Obama’s sociol government.

  2. I’ve been wanting to read Tytler’s book, but was referred to the following Snopes link by a friend. Do you know if the Tytler quote is really valid?

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/athenian.asp

  3. I have read that quote before, but you expounded on it; this post basically outlines exactly what has gone wrong in our country…thank you!

    Let’s also not forget, the government has also been apathetic to doing the right thing.

    They have kept the people uninformed.

  4. I realize the quote is regarded as a hoax, and not believed to be written by Tytler, but still – I don’t think it matters – the words, no matter their source, are compelling – do we want these predictions to come true?

  5. Joe,
    I saw the words accredited to Lord Thomas B. Macaulay as well?

    Agreed, whoever wrote the words, were very astute in their analysis of democracy.

    Also, people from The United States needs to realize, we are not a true democracy, we are a Republic. http://www.hyperblogcafe.com/we-are-a-republic

    And like the above words say,
    “the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury” That is precisely what many here, in The United States, do as well.

  6. My biggest fear is that we are already past the point of no return,it is both sad and scary.

  7. While studying government, I came across something about all the great governments lasting an average of 200 years. America has lasted close to 240, but I hope we could make it to well over 400 years (like the Roman Republic). For this to happen, then we need to be strong at home. We need to stop worring about other countries that aren’t threatening us. Take care of the problems at home, and then we might be strong enough to help someone else out. Right now our nation is in no condition to help others. I just wish that our government would get their heads out of their freaking butts, and forget their faction’s differences so that they can work together.

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