“Why I ask, should not the ‘injunctions and prohibitions’ addressed by
the people in the Constitution to the States and the Legislatures of
States, be enforced by the people through the proposed amendment?”
“The oath, the most solemn compact which man can make with his Maker,
was to bind the State Legislatures, executive officers, and judges to
sacredly respect the Constitution and all the rights secured by it.”
Rep. Bingham (See Cong. Globe, 39th, 1st Sess., 1090 (1866))
“I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the
Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and
domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same;
that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation
or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge
the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God.”
Congressional Oath of Office
Natural Born Citizen
Why Barack Obama must be challenged
US Constitution
“No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United
States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be
eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be
eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of
thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the
United States.”
To understand the intent of the founding fathers in using the words
“natural born citizen”, to define presidential eligibility, one must
first examine any influential documents and opinions from those
involved in crafting the US Constitution. What is clear and indisputable
is the following:
- A naturalized citizen is a citizen by no act of law such as naturalization.
- A child born to US citizens on US soil is a natural born citizen.
- The Naturalization Act of 1790 provided the following:
“the children of citizens of the United States that may
be born beyond Sea, or out of the limits of the United
States, shall be considered as natural born Citizens”
Vattel’s “The Law of Nations”, written in 1758, was a
valuable reference guide for the founding fathers.
Ҥ 212. Citizens and natives.
The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by
certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in
its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the
country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and
perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those
children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all
their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what
it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course,
that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the
right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that
of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent.
We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they
may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were
born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a
person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a
foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.”
Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, Justice John Jay, on
July 25, 1787, wrote the following to George Washington:
“Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and seasonable to provide
a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration
of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the commander
in chief of the American army shall not be given to, nor devolve on any
but a natural born citizen.”
The Lightfoot lawsuit in CA states the obvious:
“This letter shows that the meaning of natural born citizen, is one
without allegiance to any foreign powers, not subject to any foreign
jurisdiction at birth.”
After the US Constitution was written, further
clarifications can be found
“All persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign
power, excluding Indians not taxed, are declared to be citizens of the
United States.”
1866, Sec. 1992 of U.S. Revised
“every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of
parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the
language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.”
Rep. Bingham on Section 1992 (Cong. Globe, 39th, 1st Sess., 1291 (1866))
“Bingham subscribed to the same view as most everyone in Congress at the
time that in order to be born a citizen of the United States one must be
born within the allegiance of the Nation. Bingham had explained that to
be born within the allegiance of the United States the parents, or more
precisely, the father, must not owe allegiance to some other foreign
sovereignty (remember the U.S. abandoned England’s “natural allegiance”
doctrine). This of course, explains why emphasis of not owing allegiance
to anyone else was the affect of being subject to the jurisdiction of the
United States.” Read more
United States v. Wong Kim Ark, March 28, 1898 Reveals the following:
“Nevertheless, Congress has persisted from 1795 in rejecting the English
rule and in requiring the alien who would become a citizen of the United
States, in taking on himself the ties binding him to our Government, to
affirmatively sever the ties that bound him to any other.”
“It is beyond dispute that the most vital constituent of the English
common law rule has always been rejected in respect of citizenship of
the United States.”
“Considering the circumstances surrounding the framing of the Constitution,
I submit that it is unreasonable to conclude that “natural-born citizen”
applied to everybody born within the geographical tract known as the United
States, irrespective of circumstances, and that the children of foreigners,
happening to be born to them while passing through the country, whether of
royal parentage or not, or whether of the Mongolian, Malay or other race,
were eligible to the Presidency, while children of our citizens, born abroad,
were not.”
“Greisser was born in the State of Ohio in 1867, his father being a German
subject and domiciled in Germany, to which country the child returned.
After quoting the act of 1866 and the Fourteenth Amendment, Mr. Secretary
Bayard said:
Richard Greisser was no doubt born in the United States, but he was on his
birth “subject to a foreign power,” and “not subject to the jurisdiction
of the United States.” He was not, therefore, under the statute and the
Constitution a citizen of the United States by birth, and it is not
pretended that he has any other title to citizenship.”
“And it was to prevent the acquisition of citizenship by the children of
such aliens merely by birth within the geographical limits of the United
States that the words were inserted.
Two months after the statute was enacted, on June 16, 1866, the Fourteenth
Amendment was proposed, and declared ratified July 28, 1868. The first
clause of the first section reads:
All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the
jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State
wherein they reside.
The act was passed and the amendment proposed by the same Congress, and it
is not open to reasonable doubt that the words “subject to the jurisdiction
thereof” in the amendment were used as synonymous with the words “and not
subject to any foreign power” of the act.”
Perkins v Elg, 307 U.S. 325,328 (1939) differentiates between a US citizen
and a natural born citizen. Ms. Elg, was born in Brooklyn, NY to an
American mother and a Swedish father was a US citizen, but not a natural
born citizen.
Leo Donofrio explains the basis for his lawsuit:
“The Framers distinguished between “natural born Citizens” and all other
“Citizens”. And that’s why it’s important to note the 14th Amendment
only confers the title of “Citizen”, not “natural born Citizen”. The
Framers were Citizens, but they weren’t natural born Citizens. They
put the stigma of not being natural born Citizens on themselves in the
Constitution and they are the ones who wrote the Document.”
“The chosen wording of the Framers here makes it clear that they had drawn
a distinction between themselves – persons born subject to British
jurisdiction – and “natural born citizens” who would not be born subject
to British jurisdiction or any other jurisdiction other than the United
States. And so the Framers grandfathered themselves into the Constitution
as being eligible to be President. But the grandfather clause only
pertains to any person who was a Citizen… at the time of the Adoption of
this Constitution.”
“It should be obvious that the Framers intended to deny the Presidency to
anybody who was a British subject “at birth”. If this had not been their
intention, then they would not have needed to include a grandfather clause
which allowed the Framers themselves to be President.”
Application of Natural Born Citizen and Citizen to Barack Obama
Barack Obama was born to an American Mother and Kenyan Father.
Is Obama eligible under the Natural Born Citizen provision?
Philip Berg states:
“Even if Obama had and maintained United States citizenship (which Plaintiff
believes he failed to do) he also holds citizenship in Kenya and Indonesia.
Obama has divided loyalties with foreign countries. Thus, Obama carries
multiple citizenships, and is ineligible to run for President of the United
States. United States Constitution, Article II, Section I.”
Leo Donofrio states:
“Don’t be distracted by the birth certificate and Indonesia issues. They
are irrelevant to Senator Obama’s ineligibility to be President. Since
Barack Obama’s father was a Citizen of Kenya and therefore subject to the
jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of Senator Obama’s birth,
then Senator Obama was a British Citizen “at birth”, just like the Framers
of the Constitution, and therefore, even if he were to produce an original
birth certificate proving he were born on US soil, he still wouldn’t be
eligible to be President.”
“My law suit argues that since Obama had dual citizenship “at birth” and
therefore split loyalties “at birth”, he is not a “natural born citizen”
of the United States. A “natural born citizen” would have no other
jurisdiction over him “at birth” other than that of the United States.
The Framers chose the words “natural born” and those words cannot be ignored.
The status referred to in Article 2, Section 1, “natural born
citizen”, pertains to the status of the person’s citizenship “at birth”.”
“The other numerous law suits circling Obama to question his eligibility
fail to hit the mark on this issue. Since Obama was, “at birth”, a
British citizen, it is completely irrelevant, as to the issue of
Constitutional “natural born citizen” status, whether Obama was born in
Hawaii or abroad. Either way, he is not eligible to be President. Should
Obama produce an original birth certificate showing he was born in Hawaii,
it will not change the fact that Obama was a British citizen “at birth”.”
“Obama has admitted to being a British subject “at birth”. And as will be
made perfectly clear below, his being subject to British jurisdiction
“at birth” bars him from being eligible to be President of the United States.”
Lightfoot lawsuit
“Mr. Obama is a son of a citizen of Kenya, that in 1961 was a British
protectorate, whereby regardless of whether he was born in Kenya or US, he
was a foreign citizen based on his fathers citizenship, he was a subject of
a foreign power and foreign jurisdiction and does not qualify as a natural
born citizen.”
“In adherence to the natural born citizen provision, the first presidents
of this country, such as George Washington and John Adams, that were born on
this soil, in Virginia and Massachussetts respectively, had to include an
additional constitution provision in addition to the natural born citizen,
“…or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this
Constitution…”, in order to allow themselves, as Britizh subjects at the
time of their birth to be sworn as Presidents. Since Mr. Obama is not 221
years old and was not a US citizen at the time of the Constitution, he, as a
British citizen at birth does not fall under this provision and does not
qualify as a natural born citizen and is not eligible to become the President
regardless of whether he was born in Kenya or Hawaii.”
Barack Obama is not a Natural Born Citizen
It is clear from the above that Obama is not eligible to be president.
For there to even be a ruling contrary to the letter and spirit of the
law, Obama must at least prove that he was a citizen of the US at birth.
This means that Obama would have to prove that he was born in Hawaii.
Unless Obama can prove he was born in Hawaii, he is in fact not a US
citizen and is an illegal alien
At this point, no legal proof of Obama being born in Hawaii has been
provided. The Hawaiian Health Dept. official stated:
STATEMENT BY DR. CHIYOME FUKINO
“There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official
birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits
the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a
tangible interest in the vital record.
“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with
the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee
and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified
that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth
certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.
“No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed
that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital
record in the possession of the State of Hawai‘i.”
According to Philip Berg:
“There are records of a “registry of birth” for
Obama, on or about August 8, 1961 in the public records office in Hawaii.”
So, how is it possible to not be born in Hawaii and yet have a
birth certificate record in Hawaii?
[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State.
(a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child,
the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or
minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health
that the legal parents of such individual while living without the
Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii
as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the
birth or adoption of such child.
(b) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health
in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate. The director of
health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may
deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth
certificates and to require any further information or proof of events
necessary for completion of a birth certificate.
(c) The fee for each application for registration shall be established
by rule adopted pursuant to chapter 91. [L 1982, c 182, §1] Hawaii statute
From the Keyes lawsuit:
“A press release was issued on October 31, 2008, by the Hawaii Department
of Health by its Director, Dr. Chiyome Fukino. Dr. Fukino said that she
had “personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of
Health has Senator Obama’s original birth certificate on record in
accordance with state policies and procedures.” That statement failed to
resolve any of the questions being raised by litigation and press accounts.
Being “on record” could mean either that its contents are in the computer
database of the department or there is an actual “vault” original.”
“Further, the report does not say whether the birth certificate in the
“record” is a Certificate of Live Birth or a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth.
In Hawaii, a Certificate of Live Birth resulting from hospital documentation,
including a signature of an attending physician, is different from a
Certificate of Hawaiian Birth. For births prior to 1972, a Certificate of
Hawaiian Birth was the result of the uncorroborated testimony of one witness
and was not generated by a hospital. Such a Certificate could be obtained up
to one year from the date of the child’s birth. For that reason, its value
as prima facie evidence is limited and could be overcome if any of the
allegations of substantial evidence of birth outside Hawaii can be obtained.
The vault (long Version) birth certificate, per Hawaiian Statute 883.176
allows the birth in another State or another country to be registered in
Hawaii. Box 7C of the vault Certificate of Live Birth contains a question,
whether the birth was in Hawaii or another State or Country. Therefore,
the only way to verify the exact location of birth is to review a certified
copy or the original vault Certificate of Live Birth and compare the name of
the hospital and the name and the signature of the doctor against the
birthing records on file at the hospital noted on the Certificate of the
Live Birth.”
If Obama was born in kenya, his mother had to be nineteen years
old for Obama to be a US citizen. Berg explains:
“If in fact Obama was born in Kenya, the laws on the books at the time of
his birth stated if a child is born abroad and one parent was a U.S. Citizen,
which would have been his mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, Obama’s mother would
have had to live ten (10) years in the United States, five (5) of which were
after the age of fourteen (14). At the time of Obama’s birth, his mother was
only eighteen (18) and therefore did not meet the residency requirements under
the law to give her son (Obama) U.S. Citizenship. The laws in effect at the
time of Obama’s birth prevented U.S. Citizenship at birth of children born
abroad to a U.S. Citizen parent and a non-citizen parent, if the citizen
parent was under the age of nineteen (19) at the time of the birth of the
child. Obama’s mother did not qualify under the law on the books to register
Obama as a “natural born” citizen. Section 301(a)(7) of the Immigration and
Nationality Act of June 27, 1952, 66 Stat. 163, 235, 8 U.S.C. §1401(b),
Matter of S-F- and G-, 2 I & N Dec. 182 (B.I.A.) approved (Att’y Gen. 1944).”
Under the best case scenario for Obama, he is a US citizen, not natural
born, and the worst case scenario, Obama is an illegal alien. If Obama
was born in Kenya, he is an illegal alien.
At the time of Obama’s birth, he was a Kenyan citizen and under British
rule. For there to be a ruling on Obama’s potential eligibility for the
presidency based on being a natural born citizen, Obama must provide proof
that he was also a US citizen at birth and that would require proof that
he was born in Hawaii. To date, no legal proof has been provided. In fact,
every effort has been made by Obama to avoid proving his eligibility. He
has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars and employed numerous attorneys
to evade his dubious past.
Obama must provide a vault (long form) birth certificate to prove he is
not an illegal alien. Think about it. We know that Obama is not eligible
under the US Constitution.
Are we going to let him steal the presidency as an illegal alien?
Citizen WElls 
Please read the following two quotes from none other than Thomas Jefferson. We must and we will take our country back……even if by force we must stand up to the bullies of the Left and the Right who are robbing Americans of their Constitutional Rights!!!! Inform yourselves with all the ammunition necessary to do the JOB!!!! GO PATRIOTS!!!!!!
*There is only one force in the nation that can be depended upon to keep the government pure and that is the people themselves. They alone, if well informed, are capable of preventing the corruption of power and restoring the nation to its rightful course if it should go astray. ~T.J.~
*I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party whatever, in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else, where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent. ~T.J.~
I think that the SCOTUS should have taken Leo’s lawsuit, whether it be his or Cort’s, taken a stand and in the process, defined a natural born citizen. I mean, honestly, Leo, in my opinion, has got it nailed. It’s a crying shame that they didn’t do this.
Ok, I’m no lawyer,but couldn’ t someone file something that would make the Congress liable if they let BHO get into the WH. I mean if he his found to be not eligible They would have to sign this form to say they know for a fact that he is.Would that not make them think twice on Jan 08. Just Wondering?
Yes Trudy, Congressmen can be and are liable as follows:
Each and every member of Congress should be notified that he or she is personally liable (can be sued) for his or her own failure, or the same in conspiracy with other members, to perform what is a ministerial and constitutional duty, that is, to require and/or insist that Presidential electoral votes only be counted for candidates who are “natural born citizens” under Article II of the United States Constitution, the failure of which creates a cause of action for deprivation of claimants’ constitutional rights (as allowed under the Bivens case) against employees of the Federal Government, in this case, to a lawful President and Commander in Chief, and therefore, for deprivation of adequate continuation of the United States as a Constitutional Republic. The constitutionally tortious conduct is not subject to congressional immunity and would be the jettison of Article II of the Constitution by failure to stop and/or object to the counting of electoral votes for Barack H. Obama who has admitted that at the time of his birth his father was a Kenyan/British citizen and not a citizen of the United States of America.
Trudy, on Jan. 8th, 2009, under the provisions of the 12th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, the 111th Congress will meet to count the elector (college) votes, and certify Barack Obama as the 44th President-elect.
Before this process is complete, any congressman/senator may object (in writing) for their state to the certification of the electoral ballots. It only takes one congressman (from any electoral state), and one senator (from any electoral state) to object in concert to the certification of the ballots to “throw” the entire election. [1]
One congressman without the agreement of one senator, or one senator without the agreement of one congressman will not be sufficient to throw the entire election. It must be one congressman AND one senator in concert to agree and throw the election.
This is the point under the Constitution where any congressman/senator may object to the certification of the electoral votes, cast by the electors of their respective states on Dec. 15th, and go on public (congressional) record that they do not agree with the selection of the electoral college for President and Vice-president, and their reasons forthwith for their objection.
Dr. Edwin Vieira illustrates this for us so nicely in his latest column:
http://newswithviews.com/Vieira/edwin186.htm
A word of warning to all. If Dr. Vieira’s “scenario” (about 3/4 down) should come to pass, it would behoove any of you here to consider your respect for your local congressman/senator, and inform him (before Jan. 8th) of the potential consequences afforded to him as a potential “co-conspirator,” should this “scenario” play out to its logical end.
If any here believe Dr. Vieira’s “scenario” is that far-fetched, then I ask you to also consider William Grigg’s analysis, “En Route to Military Rule:”
http://www.lewrockwell.com/grigg/grigg-w68.html
[1] The procedure for objections, is actually contained in Title 3, United States Code, Section 15
Most of the verbage is unnecessary-heres why-
Just read over Senate Resolution 511 from 4/30/08. The Resolution in its text provides a clear admission by the Senate of the criteria for a “natural born citizen” to be, “born of American citizens”. There is no doubt and can be no argument that under the terms as stated by the Senate as of 4/30/08 that each and every Senator had actual knowledge that Obama was Constitutionally ineligible as his father was by his own admission a citizen of Kenya.
The only question is: Why Senators are you aiding and abetting this deception of the public who you are supposed to serve and this attack on the Constitution which you are sworn to protect????
You want to know what’s the most pathetic thing about this whole issue?!?!
There’s about 50 jack ass’ out there that are running this whole country “the way[ they ] want it ran” and the rest of us 300million are just sitting here letting them get away with it.
I remember one time back in High School there was this kid that was a bully. He picked on everyone ( he was pretty big ) He finally beat up someone in my close circle of friends. So we all got together to talk about it one day at his house, and i said…you know this is rediculous! There’s 20 of us and only 1 of him.Why are we letting this jack ass torment us? So i finally convinced all my friends that we could take this guy 🙂 Well the next day at school we all met him out in the parking lot and kicked the shit out of this dude until he was beaten to a bloody pulp.
We took our school and our pride back that day and the bully had his parents transfer him to another school.
I think it’s time for Americans to take our country back. They are running us and our country into the ground.We can barely afford to eat because they tax the F**K out of us on everything, and they look down on us as if we are merely peasants who have no right to question their authority.
PS….Elected officials: We put your ass there and we can take your ass out of there too !!!!!
George Soros’ son wants to due away with the Electoral College.
http://rightwingnews.com/mt331/2008/12/the_electoral_college_vs_the_p.php
ms. helga
Why are so many people willing to commit treason before investigating the facts????
PETITION TO REMOVE OBAMA FROM THE WHITE HOUSE.
http://www.rallycongress.com/remove-obama-from-the-whitehouse/1467/remove-usurper-from-whitehouse/
Sign daily and pass onto friends and families too.
REMEMBER – A true democracy is MOB RULE and a Constitutional Republic RULES THE MOB.
ms helga
Citizen Wells, as you lay things out in your posting of the articles and rules of the Constitution, I am aghast that no one will intercede in this attempt to destroy our Constitution and our great Country. I am posting a letter I received back from Senator Roger F. Wicker, Mississippi. If you wish contact me by email and I will upload the letter and email it to you. Dear Glenda, Thank you for contacting me regarding questions surrounding President -Elect Obama’s citizenship. I am glad to have the benefit of your views on this issue. The U.S.Constitution requires the President to be a natural-born citizen. In August, a lawsuit filed in U.S. District Court in Philadelphia alleged that President-Elect Obama was born in Kenya, not Hawaii. The lawyer who filed this action has also filed suits alleging President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney knew about the September 11 terrorist attacks. He also has called for Supreme Court Justices Clarence Thomas, Antonin Scalia, and former Justice Sandra Day O’Conner to disbar themselves for their decision in the 2001 Bush v. Gore. In October, a federal judge dismissed the Obama suit, and on Dec 8, 2008 , the Supreme Court declined to hear the emergency appeal without opinion. Several similar cases have been filed in various courts across the country and are going through the judicial process. It appears unlikely that Senate Democratic leaders will bring up legislation related to this issue in the 111th Congress. I hope this information is helpful. Please do not hesitate to contact me if I can be of assistance. With best wishes I am Sincerely yours, Roger F. Wicker With a response back like this , when I ask his help on demanding Obama prove he is or is not a natural born citizen, I set here wondering if he really cares or if he just relies on MSM to find ot what really is going on. I personally feel We The People need to start a drive immediatly to recall Congress as a whole for not upholding the Constitution. And include the Supreme Court along with them. In numbers, we the people can do this.
Joy.
I was asked to write the article about natural born citizen
and Obama’s failure to qualify.
I will begin a “hall of shame” soon and add your response to it.
We will hold these imbeciles accountable.
Thanks.
Time to break out the cameras and take some photos of out congressman doing things well they shouldnt be doing. and post them on youtube etc etc
Thank You, Ted and jcd.
On October 31, 2008 Hawaii Department of Health Director, Dr. Chiyome Fukino,
attempted to quell the doubts about this matter by stating that she had personally seen and verified that Obama’s original birth certificate is on record. She was subsequently asked to disclose the place of birth recorded on that certificate but has not responded.
Despite this, most news media report,
“Hawaiian officials have certified that Obama was born in Hawaii”.
Associated Press has written several times,
“Hawaii officials have said they checked health department records and have determined there’s no doubt Obama was born in Hawaii.”
I thought that I might have missed such a statement, so I searched all public releases on the State of Hawaii website which contained the word Obama. I failed to find any mention of Obama’s place of birth, so on December 15th I called the telephone number listed on Dr. Fukino’s October 31 statement.
My call was taken by Judy in the communications office. She confirmed that the October 31 statement did NOT say where Obama was born and that there has been no statement on that question. She speculated that the reason for the silence may be that Obama’s place of birth is confidential.
On December 15 I reported this conversation to Associated Press. Yet despite that they have continued to write these same words,
“Hawaii officials have said they checked health department records and have determined there’s no doubt Obama was born in Hawaii.” See for example this story dated December 25,
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-ap-in-obamachallenged,0,948701.story
Kent.
Really sick isn’t it!
I wrote an article weeks ago about this and the Orwellian language
spin that the AP utilized.
These allegations will not go away until Mr. Obama produces proof to federal authorities and the public.
does anyone know what is happening as a result of the subpoenas issued to Hawaii dept. of health seeking documents? I heard they were fighting them but I never heard the conclusion of the matter.
>>Why are so many people willing to commit treason before investigating the facts????<<
I think that they will think that it will just go away and everything will be okay. Actually, I have failed to understand the mental world that they are in now. Whatever the case may be, they are in a mental world away from true Americans that’s for sure!
Look how long our government has done exactly what they want and when. Since the beginning of time is how far back I traced it and it’s all the same people that are running it. The only good ones were killed. Barack is evil and evil does as evil wants. I keep looking to see if maybe finally enough people have created a “real possible change” in our world and so far not yet. Right now it’s in Fitgeralds court and I see that fading right along with all the good people that are brave enough to stand up against our government, cia, fbi and police forces. haha what a joke for the people of the USA to think, actually think Obama was going to change the world. He is too evil and selfish. Why else would one man spend 9 billion for his freaked up family for a vacation while the majority of the world starved and slept on the streets. Obama is an evil one
Not to sound like a broken record, but I still don’t see dual citizenship at birth as not being a “Natural Born Citizen.” If you are born a dual citizen, you are still a Natural Born American Citizen. I realize that being a dual citizen myself, I may be looking at this from a skewed perspective. But in my case, in believe Ireland does not recognize my American Citizenship and America does not recognize my Irish Citizenship. I was born to two American Citizens just outside Washington D.C. According to the Constitution, as I read it, I fit the qualification.
I think (and of course I concede I could be wrong in his case) if Obama can prove that he was born in a Hawaiian hospital to an American Citizen, anyone would be hard pressed to get a court to say he is not qualified.
There is of course the matter of Obama’s honesty. If it does come out that he is indeed a dual citizen and applied for foreign financial aid packages, changed his name several times, and never brought this up during the election for the public to chew on, I would think that is a lie by omission. Again though, tough to get someone yanked out of office for.
Believe me, I wish it would be different. Socialist policies and those with radical agendas can do a lot of damage to this country when the Senate and Congress are in their pocket or vice versa.
Joy, I also received a letter very similar to yours from one of Indiana’s congressmen. I don’t think THEY know the Constitution as well as we do.LOL Even one of the electorals wrote me and said she didn’t represent me–she represented Barack Obama. Now, Senator Lugar is one of his co-chairmen for the Innauguration. I’m beginning to think no matter what is done, he will get in, but I will keep trying. By the way, how much trouble can one get in by writing the Congresssmen as in Rally the Congress? Just wondering? I do hope we still have a few freedoms–as in freedom of speech.bkw
Brenda.
If you have not already sent me the letter, please do.
Thanks.
CW, I have already sent you the e-mail from the electoral and will look for the other letter. bkw
If anyone can remember, could you send me the link to the picture and article of Obama with the Socialism Liberation Party? Thanks.bkw
I can’t wait to see where and when the movement will begin.I wonder what will happen?Will it be a small group of people in some small town that takes a stand? Or will it be an entire organization of thousands that take a stand in their state?
I can see it now! FOX news reporting live in [ insert red state here ] at the state capitol as thousands of protesters storm the building taking state officials out of their offices by force.Local police and National Guard have been called in to try and control the situation, but the protesters [ Red Blooded Americans ] are armed and there are literally thousands of them and state officials can’t control the situation and “many of them have joined the fight” as they are tired of the shit too!
CNBC reporting live from the White House…thousands of protesters [Red Blooded Americans] have stormed the White House and local police and National Guard have been called in, but the crowds are too powerful.Wait it looks as if the National Guard and local police have joined the fight as they are tired of the shit here too!!
Reporting “LIVE” from the White House !!!
This is Billy Bob Tucker, and we’ve taken over the White House and several state capitols ( no one was injured during these raids ) and once again America is in the hands of “We the people”
We will hold NEW elections come Monday morning. Anyone wanting to participate should be at your state capitol 8:00AM.
I’ll take questions from the press now.
1…Where is the President?…… You mean Bam-Bam? He’s been exported back to Kenya
2…What caused this outbreak?…… We the people just finally got tired of being taxed to death, and we are tired of our elected officials “not listening to us after we vote them in”
3…What is going to happen from here?….Well, we’re going to start by restoring the Constitution that our elected officials have stomped, burned, changed, worked around, and just flat ass ignored to it’s original meaning. Then we’re going to bring God and Country back into the school systems (effective immediately ). Then we are going to make it a pre-requisite for all voters to take a 4 hour course studying the track record of the person they are fixing to vote for before they are allowed to cast their votes.
4…What about Islam and the Muslims rights?….F**K-EM !!! There asses are out of here!! There will be no Sharia compliant financing allowed in the United States and anyone trying to push that shit on us will be put in jail 🙂
Well, there you have it America! Looks like the people have finally stood up and taken back their country 🙂
Brenda.
These articles may be of help:
https://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2008/10/08/obama-acorn-new-party-democratic-socialists-of-america-catholic-bishops-obamas-radical-past-new-party-endorsed-obama-obama-acorn-new-party-marxist-socialist-connections/
https://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2008/10/10/obama-acorn-community-organizer-new-party-democratic-socialists-of-america-dsa-saul-alinsky-obama-acorn-attorney-exploited-poor-acorn-voter-fraud-obama-lied-about-his-connection-to-acorn/
Where is the ACLU on this issue? Has anyone heard from them? Who’s side are they on pertaining to our Constitutional rights on this Natural Born Citizen issue? I would like to hear the ACLU explain their position.
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I don’t know, but somehow I cannot believe that everybody and all the time can cover Obamas bus load of sceletons in his closet.
Even though it sure feels like it now.
If they just wanted another puppet as NWO president, why choose this guy, who is clearly not eligible and also not qualified?
Of course some voters really believe he will “change’ things to the better, restore the economy, and so on.
They would soon find out that he is an empty suit.
The reason he was chosen must be something else.
The perfect candidate for what?
A constitutional crisis, that’s for sure.
I really, and still, believe that is what Powell spoke about.
Obama is the tool.
He will probably never be president, and this was planned all along.
Question is, who is the big manipulator?
I think that also, because he could not have everybody cover him all along, he is a fraud.
They used him.
The whole thing is already planned, including the end.
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The ACLU is hiding from this one, because it’s FAR to close to what they, and many newly educated lawyers, are fighting for. Massive socialism under a fairness (fair-play) doctrine with the removal of nationalism, or at least it’s near permanent reduction.
Most people think – A citizen at birth is a natural born citizen. At that is what the SC probably would rule if they heard the NBC case. I seriously don’t think a young 17 YO girl would run off to have a baby in Kenya in 1961. Also I don’t think Obama Sr. really gave a hoot about Ann Dunham, she was just a one night stand for him. I don’t think there is evidence that he really married her. The BC that Obama doesn’t want revealed probably has some embarassing fact about the father that he doesn’t want released. Obama was “messed up” by a father who didn’t care about him, and being brought up by a bunch of liberal white folk. The COLB probably is mostly correct but the other possibility is that his birth occured somewhere other than a hospital. But that doesn’t mean it occured in Kenya. They could have simply registered his birth in Hawaii and he doesn’t want this fact to surface as it would require explanations and would add fuel to the fire that he was born in Kenya. Congress will rubber stamp the election – because no congressperson has the nerve to say “Where is this man’s birth certificate?” or even “Who validated this man’s eligibility”. The murky issues surrounding Obama’s citizenship need to be clarified. His BC vs COLB is not clear, his actual birth location is not clear (if his COLB is simply a registration of birth), his actual citizenship is not clear (if his U.S. Citizenship was given up), his legal name is not clear (if he was legally adopted or if his Mother was never really married to Obama Sr.). And the issue of the meaning of NBC is not really clear and the issue definitely applies to Obama since his father was not a Citizen. The people have a right to know. Article X of the constitution says “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.” It seems to me the authority to determine the eligibility of the presidential candidate’s has not been delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor is it prohibited by it to the states, therefore it is reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. This seems to me to be sufficient authority for people of the United States to investigate and to determine the eligibility of a candidate for the presidency.
BerlinBerlin, I agree with you. Are they going to wait and end it at the Inauguration so that the masses riot with all cameras rolling?
I have one question: What if Obama was illegitimate and his father was NOT listed on his original birth certificate?
I base this on my belief that the marriage of Obama-Dunham was a sham.
The marriage in Maui on 2 Feb 1961 cannot be proved as there seems to be no records — huh??? Has anyone looked? This starts everything rolling.
I hypothesize that Ann Dunham asked Obama Sr. to stand-in as a father. His benefit is that he would gain a married stipend from the East-West Center (footed by the US Govt) allowing him to live off-campus instead of the dormitories for the foreign students. It was simply a scam as he had no intention of remaining in the US and was at that time returning to Kenya. Only later did his acceptance to Columbia (he turned down) and Harvard (that he accepted) come through. It provided the Dunhams’ a cover story and Obama Sr. a little extra cash without any responsibility.
The cottage which is listed in the 23 Aug 1961 newspaper birth announcement is different from the residence of Obama Sr. in Kaimuki. Immediately following the birth, Ann Dunham appears in Washington state and talks to friends there — with some really off-the-wall stories. It appears that she is fabricating a story to “legitimize” the birth. She enrolls immediately for the Autumn term of 1961 — and plays the single mother until Obama leaves Hawaii in Jun 1962 immediately following his graduation. His close friends (i.e., Neil Abocrombie, US Representative from Hawaiii) don’t remember Obama Sr. every mentioning Obama Jr. and Ann.
Ann returns in 1962 and starts at UH in Spring 1963. She lives with parents and Obama Jr. attends Noelani School kindergarten at age 6 in 1967. A school photo that a mother annotated lists him as “Barry Obama” — BUT no school records can be found. It is possible that his birth certificate only listed “Barry Dunham” using his mother’s maiden name — however, she still was maintaining the story of Obama Sr. marriage and would have inculcated this in little Obama as his father story. However, his birth certificate would have entered him as “Barry Obama.” LIKE THE REST OF THE OBAMA STORY NOTHING CAN BE PROVEN OR DISPROVEN.
Ann Dunham marries Lolo Soetoro in 1967 and goes to Indonesia with “Barry Dunham” (Obama). The International Schools are very expensive and Obama cannot be entered into the local schools because he is NOT Indonesian. Soetoro adopts him in Indonesia and this allows him to enter the Indonesian school system.
In 1971, he returns to the US alone and is entered into Punahou School as “Barry Dunham” — again something from his birth certificate. THIS IS HIS MOTHER’S MAIDEN NAME. This is when the coverup kicks in. Ann Dunham-Soetoro (leaving Maya born in Aug 1970 in Indonesia) and Obama Sr. return to Hawaii in Dec 1971 for ONE MONTH. This is enough time to input the legal name change to the birth certificate of Barack Hussein Obama. Life goes on and Barry Dunham completes his highschool as Barry Dunham.
He gets a full scholarship to Occidental College — but for the life of me I don’t know how as his friends state that he was a B student and he wasn’t a first-string basketball player. (There is the unprovable Indonesian passport story that I have also developed, but I won’t cover that here). At Occidental he becomes Barack Hussein Obama II.
The rest is history — though there are so many holes in his story — and it gets worse when Michelle Obama enters the scene. But that’s another story.
The point of this story is to ask your readers if there is any credibility to my take that Barack Obama was born WITHOUT a father’s name entered on his original birth certificate. If so, he was a natural born citizen — end of topic for Leo Donofrio and Cort Wrontowski suits. But BAM — up pops the naturalized citizen suits of Philip Berg, but this is from his use of an Indonesian passport from Indonesia in 1970 — and I believe he renewed this in 1975 (valid till 1985) and used for his Pakistan/Indonesia (not India) trip. This was renewed again in 1985 and used for his trip to Kenya in 1987 — along with trips to Bali, Indonesia in 1993 and Kenya in 1993 with Michelle Obama along. After 1995, this lapsed because he was entering politics in Chicago. (Again I’m saying if my hypothesis is true there is a massive paper trail in Chicago and New York at the Indonesian consulates — along with the US Immigration service for US student visas issued to “Barry Soetoro.” However, I don’t believe anyone has tried to investigate this angle.)
Anyway, if anyone of your readers who has followed this much longer than I have would provide me some feedback as to if I’m barking up the wrong tree in trying to find out the truth of Obama, please write me at:
kalani@kalaniosullivan.com
I have developed webpages where I’m trying to sort out all the misinformation and such to try to understand who this person who may be our next President really is. My site is a historical site focused on two Korean USAF bases — and I just added these pages about Obama as the interest it has stirred in me.
Thank you for your help.
Brenda,
can you send me the letter from the elector that says she represents Obama? I am a petitioner on the Lightfoot v. Bowen lawsuit.
Please send me any correspondence from electors or elected officials to my email pb_realestate@yahoo.com. I want to have Orly Taitz enter these letters into evidence that the electors and elected officials have no idea what their Constitutional Responsibilities are.
Also, please complain online to the FCC regarding any lies you see on the MSMs. I complained about all of them. We need to get them to do their job of NOT allowing lies on the airwaves.
BerlinBerlin,
I think you are on to something. Putting Obamain power serves the NWO folks, because by it they will have the appearance of legality when the persecute the true American patriots who are holding out for the US constitution. Once they turn the war on terrorism against American patriots and redefine patriotism as accepting the NWO and a progress understanding of the Constitution, they can change the constitution by judicial fiat and bring us into the NWO as mindless serfs on their industrial plantation…
Back from classes and I see in my post I made a few errors.
(1). The birth announcement was on 13 Aug 1961 based on the Department of Health list distributed to both the Honolulu Advertiser and Star Bulletin.
(2). I was not very clear in my writing but Ann Dunham enrolled in the University of Washington for the Autumn semester of 1961 — the same time she is still in Hawaii according to the Obama campaign fictional version. She remained there as a “single mother” until she returned to Hawaii after Obama Sr. departed.
(3). At the Noelani School entry I made a typo. “However, his birth certificate would have entered him as “Barry Obama.” should be “Barry Dunham.”
Citizen Wells,
Understand that I am an expat (retired USAF officer) who has lived in Korea for over twenty years. My interests have always been Korea — and I really did not care much of the political race in the US until about June 2008. It was all hiss-and-vinegar political nonsense as far as I was concerned. I was not much involved — as it was not part of my daily life of living in Korea.
I got involved by standing in the rain doing bipartisan voter registration starting in June 2008 because I feel strongly about the voting privilege — especially overseas for the military folks and expats like me. I was really not a McCain supporter per se, but I vote Republican because that is where my core values lie. At that time, what I knew of Obama was that he was too far left for my tastes. However, in the process of bsing with the other volunteers, I found out how ignorant I was about Obama’s background and started to look into this to satisfy my personal curiousity.
The more I dug, the more I found that the pieces did not fit. Timelines did not match. The Obama campaign was creating a romantic tale. The “memoir” of Obama is a work of “faction” — part fact and part fiction with built-in deniability. All his records are sealed so I have just been pasting and patching together comments from various articles to come up with suppositions — the documentation that is unavailable is the only way to test these suppositions. Understand that in my little circle, I am well-known for my historical research and acknowledged by USAF historians and military organizations with numerous honorary memberships. Digging for facts is my hobby.
I have become a firm believer after the comments of one of your readers — Ladyhawke — that the Supreme Court could not legally act until AFTER the Congress in joint session on 8 Jan verifies the Electoral College vote. Only then is Obama OFFICIALLY the President-elect and only then can he be held accountable to having to prove he is a “natural born citizen” or provide proof he is NOT a “naturalized citizen.”
Notice that there is a switch from the plaintiff (all the suits so far) having to shoulder the burden of proof — to one where Obama as President-elect suddenly has to prove he is eligible.
If there is a written objection by a Congressman and Representative then the Supreme Court can step in. If not it will wait till its in their court on the 9 Jan conference on Philip Berg’s case.
I also believe that George W. Bush has already used his influence in the name of national security to know the truth — and has provided the data to the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court thus has scheduled Philip Berg’s suit for conference on 9 Jan — day after Congress acts — and another on 12 Jan.
If I am wrong, I will continue to work to unearth the truth about this man. There is something that smells of a conspiracy as to how a man who was a B student in highschool — goes to a podunk college in LA and then Columbia — and suddenly is accepted to Harvard — while he still does NOT have the finances of a rich family to back him. His educational path is simply too slippery for me — but without his educational records, you can suppose all you want. You just end up looking like a nut. That is what I will be because I want the truth about this man known.
I know that I appear as a fringe element tin-foil hat individual but thus far in my piecing together the Obama history, things just not jibe. I’ve only been at this for four months while all of you have been at this for years. That’s why I am here seeking your inputs.
I hope your readers in contacting me can add to my knowledge of this person.
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I wanted to offer an opinion on this issue of “standing” and “Tangible interest” with regard to lawsuits seeking access to Obama’s birth certificate. First, let me say that I believe that it is irrelevant where Obama was born. Lawyer, Orly Taitz put it best when she said; Obama could have been born in the White House, in the Lincoln bedroom. He would still not be a Natural Born Citizen. Now back to the issue at hand. The tangible interest in Berg’s and Donofrio’s cases, and others, is that Obama’s BC is essential evidence in the suits filed and should be discoverable under the law. I read that the intent of Hawaii’s law to make BCs not public documents was to prevent the abuse of such documents in the commission of fraud. Judges seem to be using Hawaii’s anti-fraud laws as reason to deny access. Hawaii’s anti-fraud laws notwithstanding, in these lawsuits, the judges have the ability to subpoena the BCs and review them in chambers, after which they can make a decision about the relevance of these documents in the cases before them. Likewise with the Supreme Ct. There would be no opportunity for the BCs to be used for fraudulent purposes. I’m not a lawyer but it seems that the failure of the courts to use their discretion in these cases to obtain the documents by order of the court, at least for their own review, is inexcusably dishonest.
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For “Hall of Shame”, from Sen. Sherrod Brown of OH:
From: “Sherrod Brown”
To: “Lady Impact”
Received-On: 11/24/2008 5:32 PM
Subject: Reply from Senator Sherrod Brown
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Dear Mrs. Greenberg:
Thank you for contacting me regarding President-Elect Barack Obama.
President-Elect Obama has provided several news organizations with a copy of his birth certificate, showing he was born in Honolulu, Hawaii on August 4, 1961. Hawaii became a state in 1959, and all individuals born in Hawaii after its admission are considered natural-born United States citizens. In addition, the Hawaii State Health Department recently issued a public statement verifying the authenticity of President-Elect Obama’s birth certificate.
Thank you again for contacting me.
Sincerely,
Sherrod Brown
If Obama should ever be declared not eligible to be president than he has to be arrested and tried for crimes against the U.S.A. along with all those who helped him.That is why this has become such a crisis.Do you honestly think this would really be allowed to happen ?
Were talking about every senator,every congressman and yes even the supreme justices and all members of the msm They all know Obama is not eligible. To allow him to become president by looking the other way they are as guilty as Obama of treason against the U.S.A.There is no defense they could use to fight the allegations that they would be accused of.Every elected official took an oath to protect and defend the constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic.All military personnel have also taken this oath.We would have to build more prisons to house all these convicted criminals.The constitution is the supreme law of the land and no other law can over shadow it. That is why Obama cannot be sworn into office on January 20th.If he is allowed to become president without being fully vetted this will be the crises Joe Biden was predicting would befall this great country within 6 months of Obama becoming president.
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The Hall of Shame is getting larger by the day! Hopefully these treasonists see how famous they have become. Maybe I should send Herb Kohl a link to this blog so he can add this latest accomplishment to his biography.
Kathie
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Citizen Wells this hall of shame is a masterful idea. With your permission, I would like to send a full copy of it to Senator Wicker. Let me know if I have your permission. Joy
Joy.
You can send anything on this blog.
Thanks.
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Intelius Search: Alleged Obama mother still alive
http://home.att.net/~south.tower/ObamaHawaiiLies1.htm
Regarding the statement, “Box 7C of the vault Certificate of Live Birth contains a question,
whether the birth was in Hawaii or another State or Country. ”
7c is about where the mother resides. 6c is about where the baby was born, which does not permit the entry of a foreign birth.
The short form Obama provided is not sufficient to prove he was born in Hawaii since his mother could have lied, thinking she needed to do so in order to confer citizenship. The long form provides the best evidence, but we don’t know by the statements of the Hawaiin officials if that is the form they saw.
Or if Berg is right about her having to have been at least 19 years old in order to confer citizenship to Obama if he was born abroad, she could lied to get him citizenship.
As far as I can tell, the following Hawaii law (found at http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0017_0008.htm)
governs the issuance of the Certification of Live Birth that the Obama campaign produced :
[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.
(b) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate. The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate.
(c) The fee for each application for registration shall be established by rule adopted pursuant to chapter 91. [L 1982, c 182, §1]
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THE VERY FACT THAT OBAMA ONLY CAN FURNISH THIS CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH MEANS THAT HE WAS NOT BORN IN HAWAII!
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The reason our Founding Fathers included that the POTUS should be a natural born citizen was based on a Biblical precedent given us in Deuteronomy 17:14,15. Many of the doctrines and articles found in our governmental writings were founded on the framework of Biblical instruction. I’m sure they felt they could not go wrong if they only followed Gods instructions for government. And here is why…we have a foreign usurper who does not understand nor follow our way of life here in America.
LESSON LEARNED?
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