Vermont Auditor Tom Salmon switches to Republican Party, September 8, 2009, Citizen Wells interview, US Navy Reserve, Iraq, Salmon CPA, Tom Salmon announcement at Vermont State Capitol, Montpelier, VT, Video

I was fortunate to be at the Vermont State Capitol in Montpelier, VT, today, Tuesday, September 8, 2009, when State Auditor, Tom Salmon announced that he was switching from the Democrat to Republican party. The Citizen Wells blog has posted a longer video coverage of the event and here is an article from Vermontbiz.com that provides more background information on Tom Salmon.

“Vermont Auditor Tom Salmon switches to Republican Party”

“Vermont Auditor of Accounts Tom Salmon, who was rebuffed by the Democratic leadership last spring, announced today that he was switching parties and will join the Republican Party. Salmon won the position of state auditor as a Democrat in 2006 when he beat one-term incumbent Republican Randy Brock. That race saw Brock apparently win re-election in a very tight race, before a re-count gave the race to Salmon by 102 votes. Salmon cited the lack of fiscal responsibility among legislative leaders during the debate over the state budget. Salmon had offered to mediate discussions between Republican Governor James Douglas and the Democratically controlled Legislature, but was turned down by Speaker of the House Shap Smith. He said the Republicans are better able to manage the fiscal matters of the state, as represented by Governor Douglas.

Salmon further said he will likely run for re-election for Auditor, but there is “a 10 percent chance,” he will run for governor or lieutenant governor instead. Several Republicans are deferring their decisions on 2010 until Lieutenant Governor Brian Dubie decides what, if any, position he will run for. Dubie has indicated he is considering a run for governor. Douglas has already stated he will not seek re-election and will not run for any office in 2010. Salmon made his announcement at the State House shortly after 11 am on Tuesday September 8, 2009.

Salmon, 46, has served in Iraq for long tours of duty in the US Navy Reserve while also holding the post of auditor. Thomas M Salmon is the son of the former Vermont Governor Thomas P Salmon, who served from 1973-1977 as a Democrat. The elder Salmon served as a surrogate during his son’s re-election campaign because serving military cannot also campaign for office. Salmon met little resistance in being re-elected last year.

“Vermont Business Magazine conducted a Q&A with Tom Salmon December 2007 with Robert Smith. In that interview he explained why he ran for auditor:

“I ran for state auditor, because as a Rockingham Selectman, I had moved from a simmer to a boil about how fiscal management was occurring in the state. I really didn’t think that anyone was taking responsibility for the fiscal management of the parts of the state. Prior to being a selectman, I go back to December 2005. I’m a Navy Reservist, a Seabee, construction battalion, dirt sailors – we’re never on a ship, so when people see us in our greens they say, ‘Look mommy, it’s an Army man!’ I was in Gulfport, Mississippi, in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. That situation moved me to want to commit to public service. I decided when I came home that I was going to run for the select board in Rockingham. The finances were a mess, the morale was not good, the divisive situation over buying the dam – you were here so you know.””

Here is a copy of the letter Salmon sent to his supporters:

“September 5, 2009

Dear Friend,   

It is an honor to serve  as Auditor for the State of Vermont. In 2006, I was elected as a Democrat. In 2008, I was re-elected on the Democratic/Republican ticket. 2010 will be different.

I am changing my political affiliation to align myself with the party closest to my core beliefs. It is my belief that the VT Republican party is closest to accepting the realities of our times; and is therefore the party best equipped to manage the very real and troubling economic and social conditions which confront us not only today, but in the coming decade.

As many of you know, in the face of the enormous fiscal crisis, I have sounded the alarm for new thinking, responsible budgeting, meaningful long-term planning and painful prioritization.

When I returned home from Iraq, I witnessed first-hand a budget process rife with deficiencies and dysfunction.  There was little balance in the debate.

As a Certified Public Accountant, I recently completed my required Ethics course for re-licensing.  The Professional Code of Conduct demands that I act with integrity, objectivity and independence. As Auditor, I have preached that Vermont is on an unsustainable track we cannot tax ourselves out of. 

I believe the majority of Vermonters do not want to see tax increases as a consequence of poor planning.  However, without major restructuring of human services, corrections management and public education (which together account for some 75% of our expenditures) we are going to find that situation unavoidable. Removing even greater sums of capital out of our job-creating private sector and the budgets of Vermont families will only hasten the ill effects of the current crisis. 

We all watch a healthcare reform movement focused on increased access rather than A) addressing the root causes of the problem B) fixing Medicaid and Medicare or C) promoting incentives and personal responsibility.  The big losers are our young people, the vulnerable elderly population and the viability of Vermont’s 1778 motto of “Freedom and Unity.”

I am a believer in the America of hard work and “get oneself upstream” with a combination of personal commitment and external support.  

I’m not a believer that all of our future tax dollars should go to interest on debt or “education, medication and incarceration.”  In the current form of these primarily government-controlled expenditures, this is a path leading to a dangerous imbalance of our “Freedom and Unity.”  Economic freedom is an essential component in achieving and maintaining political freedom.  Over the more than 200 years of our nation’s founding, too many of our fine soldiers have died for the protection of these freedoms. 

Thank you for the opportunity to serve you with full commitment and transparency. I promise to do my best to perform the job Vermonters have elected me to do.

Thomas M. Salmon CPA

Vermont State Auditor””

Read more:

http://vermontbiz.com/news/september/vermont-auditor-tom-salmon-switches-republican-party

 

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324 responses to “Vermont Auditor Tom Salmon switches to Republican Party, September 8, 2009, Citizen Wells interview, US Navy Reserve, Iraq, Salmon CPA, Tom Salmon announcement at Vermont State Capitol, Montpelier, VT, Video

  1. Wow, good news on Taitz’s case it appears. Perhaps Judge Carter got tired of being bullied by the Justice Dept. The case will move forward, and a fullblown trial may occur in early 2010.

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=109242

  2. Thanks Gianni and all.
    As many of you know, I still cover the lawsuit initiatives on eligibility.
    However, the thrust of my efforts is moving toward and beyond the 2010 elections.
    We must continue to make congressmen aware that we are watching and that we can vote them out.

  3. Watching Glenn Beck – I almost became so cynical as to believe that Van Jones will be recruited by the CIA. The question is not “who works for the CIA, but WHO DOESN’T WORK FOR THE CIA?”

  4. It is very exciting that a politician publicly headed to the right.I am wondering what is Vermont like when compared to New Hampshire. I am from the deep south not faniliar with the North too much. I saw a u-tube with lumbering outdoor types running through the statehouse and hollering at the politicians. Are they like that in Vermont also?
    Does anyone know if Orly gets stuck with the suck magistrate judge that she wanted to avoid if its a jury trial the people will hear the case right? I just hate to see her get a bought judge.

  5. I agree with CW. We have to get their attention and the only way to show them who’s boss is to fire them all.

    We should start a new campaign.

    “Just sat No to Incumbents!”

  6. Magna Carta // September 8, 2009 at 5:46 pm

    Hi Magna,

    Vermont is a ‘left’ state full of tree-huggers and Birkenstock shoes. Around these parts, they’re called the People’s Republic of Vermont.

    Now, New Hampshire used to be the bastion of conservatism until all the moonbats from MA decided to move up there. NH is now ‘Massachusetts North.’ Shame. I love NH.

    I don’t go near Vermont, not even for their swell maple syrup or nice foliage in the fall…

  7. Obama to seal US-UN relationship

    Barack Obama will cement the new co-operative relationship between the US and the United Nations this month when he becomes the first American president to chair its 15-member Security Council.
    Drudge Report

    I feel sick

  8. zachjonesishome

    Good news about Orly. One step closer. Just finished stripping basil. Taking a small break to catch up. Zach

  9. Kim,

    The UN was, is, and always has been the biggest international threat to the U.S. And we as a nation founded it.

    Ironic you say?

  10. Kim, JeffM,

    Now that Obama is chair of the UN, he is a better position to dismantle the US. I guess Soros et al. are moving forward with their so called ideals.

  11. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2009/09/08/obama_to_students_i_expect_great_things_from_you.html

    This speech from Obama makes me so ill, just like everything else that comes from this man’s mouth.
    There is duplicity, false sincerity, and a domineering stance because of the person he is, not his words. This text read at face value but not even offend, but a delivery from him changes the context and meaning.

    I feel sorry for the children of America today.

  12. Kim, I feel sick as well. It should come as no surprise, knowing the Rockefeller’s roots run deep with the U.N. – funding the headquarters in NY.

  13. OT, but for the first time in my life, I was just called for a poll. It was Rasmussen! They wanted to know how I felt about the job Barky was doing.

    HAHAHAHAHA!

    Wish I’d have had a live person on the other end on the line….

  14. JeffM @ 6:04: and me thinks just maybe HRC’s fine with not being WHITEY POTUS…but will gladly settle for being POTUN, once BHO gets tossed under the bus.
    ‘whuddayathink about them apples?!’
    I used to think Bill wanted that, but she’d have him by the you-know-whats…

  15. SueK,

    How are you feeling. Have the toxic effects of subsided?

    I know of the side effects of colloidal silver, but have been wondering about the mechanisms by which you became so ill. It was a bit surprising.

  16. SueK @ 6:39: well, don’t keep us in suspenders;
    wuddidya tell em?! you tell ‘em where they could place their poll?!

  17. CW said:

    “citizenwells // September 8, 2009 at 5:19 pm

    Thanks Gianni and all.
    As many of you know, I still cover the lawsuit initiatives on eligibility.
    However, the thrust of my efforts is moving toward and beyond the 2010 elections.
    We must continue to make congressmen aware that we are watching and that we can vote them out.”

    Interesting. I hope it’s still o.k. if I post part of the WND article by Jerome Corsi:

    “A California judge today tentatively scheduled a trial for Jan. 26, 2010, for a case that challenges Barack Obama’s eligibility to be president based on questions over his qualifications under the requirements of the U.S. Constitution.

    “If the case actually goes to arguments before U.S. District Judge David Carter, it will be the first time the merits of the dispute have been argued in open court, according to one of the attorneys working on the issue.

    “In a highly anticipated hearing today before Carter, several motions were heard, including a resolution to long-standing questions about whether attorney Orly Taitz properly served notice on the defendants, which she had.

    “In a second ruling, Carter ordered that attorney Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation can be added to the case to represent plaintiffs Wiley Drake and Markham Robinson, who had been removed by an earlier court order. Drake, the vice presidential candidate for the American Independent Party, and Robinson, the party’s chairman, also were restored to the case.

    [snip]

    “But the judge did not immediately rule on Taitz’ motion to be granted discovery – that is the right to see the president’s still-concealed records. Nor did Carter rule immediately on a motion to dismiss the case, submitted by the U.S. government, following discussion over Taitz’ challenge to the work of a magistrate in the case.

    “The judge did comment that if there are legitimate constitutional questions regarding Obama’s eligibility, they need to be addressed and resolved.

    “Carter ordered a hearing Oct. 5 on the motion to dismiss and ordered arguments submitted on the issue of discovery.

    “If the case survives that challenge, a pretrial hearing has been scheduled for Jan. 11 and the trial for two weeks later.

    “The case would be the first time, according to Kreep, that the actual merits of the dispute will have been heard in open court. A multitude of such disputes have been rejected out of hand by various state and federal courts. Even the U.S. Supreme Court repeatedly has rejected urgent appeals to hear the evidence.

    “The suit alleges Obama is actually a citizen of Indonesia and “possibly still citizen of Kenya, usurping the position of the president of the United States of America and the commander-in-chief.”

    [snip]

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=109242

  18. All-thank you for the updates and clarifications. I think it was a good day for Orly.

  19. SueK –

    You were adversely affected by collodial silver?
    Explain.

    Please tell me you’re not blue.

  20. venice // September 8, 2009 at 6:56 pm

    Hi Venice, and thanks for your concern! I am feeling better but am really watching what I eat. My G.I. doc will check me out on Friday (I’m on vaca this week) to make sure no lasting damage was done.

    Either I’m allergic to the silver, Venice, or my existing medical conditions sent me into a spin. I had no problems before I took the stuff, and within hours I was violently ill and delirious.

    I’ve contacted the company to send me a return authorization number so that I can send it back.

    It’s just not for me…

  21. Re-do // September 8, 2009 at 6:57 pm

    Hi Re-do,

    You actually just get a recording where you punch in your answers. Barky got a ‘strongly disapprove’ across the board.

    The other half of the poll was about filling the vacant Senate seat of Ted ‘pour me a drink’ Kennedy. I let ‘em have it on the hacks who are currently pulling papers to run.

    It was fun!

    I wish they’d call me again, but have a *live* person this time. He/she would get an ear full!

  22. http://radiopatriot.blogspot.com/ All go to this web-site. Orly is asking for witness protection.

  23. Sue K. what manufacturer and kind of colloidal silver did you use? and how much?

  24. SueK—hope you are feeling better.
    If you were allergic to the stuff, I fully understand that. Important thing is, as you say,
    get yourself checked out. Do you now have to
    eat yogurt to get back on track? Take care
    and are you taking liquid—maybe flushing
    the stuff out would help. Best wishes, Maddie:)

  25. John,

    Check your e-mail in a few minutes….

  26. Just release footage, that has been under wraps for some time.

    Kind of funny if you ask me, how a Boeing could hit the ground, and only leave a 10’x20′ ft hole, and “NO AIRPLANE PARTS” visible anywhere.

    For those of you who don’t understand, or better yet, refuse to understand, let me lay it out for you.

    There is a shadow gov’t that runs the corporation called the USA. This shadow gov’t consist mainly of bankers or owners of banks. Their main goal in life is power and control.

    In 2001 or before, they decided they wanted to take over the poppy fields in Afghanistan because of the opium $$$$$ and they wanted to take over the oil fields in Iraq $$$$$.

    They can’t just invade those countries and steel all those resources in plain sight without gaining overwhelming “public support”.

    How do they gain public support? They can’t just come out and ask the American people on nationwide news if we’ll let them invade Afghanistan and Iraq to steel those resources now can they?

    So how could they gain public support? I’ll let you answer that.

  27. Thanks for the updating of Orly’s hearing.
    It sounds positive, I think. I just don’t
    understand why this is taking so long!

  28. Anyone know why there’s a little red “x”
    on the videos posted here? What does my
    computer need to view them? Haven’t been
    able to view videos since Geek Squad worked
    on it. Thanks.

  29. SueK.

    You say you got ill within a short time after taking the silver?

    If you have a virus, or viral infection, you can get flu like symptoms very quickly after taking the silver.

    The reason: Because the silver is attacking the virus.

    There is a name for this, and I can’t remember it, but I read it, and I talked to one of the silver makers on the phone about a few months ago, who told me, if you have a virus, and take the silver, you will get sick shortly after, because the silver is killing the virus, and it shocks the body.

  30. Why is the 9-11 crisis starting to make it’s way around? Interesting … Van Jones is outed for signing the 9-11 truther petition and now you see the 9-121 Conspiracy stuff ???

    He ( obummer) is NOT a NBC … stay focused peeps!

  31. 9-11 Conspiracy …

  32. SueK.

    Here it is! This is more than likely why you got sick.

    http://www.silver-colloids.com/Pubs/herxheimer.html

  33. SueK,

    If you were delerious, you probably had a (luckily) reversible metabolic shock that could arise from a number of causes. I’m glad you’re better.

  34. Orly is asking for Lucas Smith to be put in the Witness Protection Program ?? We’ll never see or hear from him again!

  35. To Glenn Beck:

    Here’s my reasonable question in unreasonable times:

    Why hasn’t the MSM demanded that this issue take center stage? Why are all the media dogs burrying this story? He has sealed his BC, College, medical SSR, records, etc.. And now he sits in the most powerful seat in the World …. and he hasn’t been vetted ? What is going on Glenn?

    Is that a reasonable question?

  36. Maddie…you need Adobe Flash Player to view youtube videos. Maybe it just needs updating or perhaps uninstalling and reinstalling

    http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/

  37. @ maddie:

    You need the free Flash Player applet:

    http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/

  38. LM,

    At the end of the link you posted Obama states:

    “Whatever you do, it will be pulled up later in your life”. Talk about wearing one’ heart on one’s sleeve (in this case I don’t think it’s a heart).

    I have to wonder which of his demons keep him up most at night. He has so many. That would be the good news. The bad news of course is that he doesn’t think he has any demons.

  39. cq // September 8, 2009 at 7:25 pm

    Hi cq,

    It’s a product called MesoSilver and it’s put out by Purest Colloids, Inc. of NJ. A friend in NJ recommended it to me, and it’s supposed to be the best stuff.

    The directions are 1 teaspoon 15 minutes before a meal. I followed those directions, but it all hit me within two hours. I was hospitalized (admitted).

    Perhaps my system just couldn’t deal with it.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    maddie // September 8, 2009 at 7:26 pm

    Hi Maddie,

    Thank you!

    I truly think that my medical conditions prevent me from taking this, but that’s not to say it’s not right for others.

    They flushed me out in the hospital (3 bags of lactated ringers!) and gave me pain, anti-clot and anti-nausea shots. I look like a junkie :( . I continue to drink pure water as part of the rehydration process, and yogurt with probiotics to get me back to where I need to be..

    I will get checked out on Friday. Happy vacation, Sue….

    Appreciate the concern; I’ll be OK :).

  40. Val-I bet Orly has friends that are unknown to us, who will take very good care of him.

  41. The South // September 8, 2009 at 7:45 pm

    Hi The South,

    Yes, Michelle (I think) on CW here mentioned this phenomenon and that may be it.

    The problem was that it was so violent, it put me in the hospital. I do have a low-level virus, so that may have triggered it.

    Because of that reaction, I’m sending the product back; I don’t think I’d wanna try it again.

    Thanks for the link!

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    venice // September 8, 2009 at 7:47 pm

    Right, Venice…I think my whole system was in shock! I was a mess, but the medicos straightened me out. Scary when you live solo, and there’s no one there when you’re so ill.

    If I were a brave woman (which I’m not), I’d try it again in a lower dose, but I think returning it to the manufacturer is the way to go.

    Thanks again!

  42. SueK.

    The silver is more than likely not what made you sick. The silver doing it’s job and killing off the viruses, pathogens, bacteria, etc. is probably why you got sick.

    You people may want to read this before you are to quick to pass judgement on silver.

    http://www.silver-colloids.com/Pubs/herxheimer.html

    You more than likely quit, something you should have continued.

    Sounds like the silver was doing it’s job to me.

  43. SueK.

    Sorry, just seen your previous post! I hope you’ll reconsider and take the silver again at a smaller dose hun.

    It’s doing it’s job, and killing the virus!

  44. SueK,

    Please let me support your decision. Do not go near it, because the next time it could be fatal.

    They are already checking for end organ damage, which means it was severe. Since what caused it is not known (yet) and there are too many possibilities to contemplate, please stay clear.

  45. Jerome // September 8, 2009 at 5:48 pm

    My sign for Saturday at Somerset, KY….
    YOU CAN’T FIX STUPID….BUT YOU CAN VOTE THEM OUT!!!

  46. Maddie, if you need to uninstall adobe flash player use this uninstaller from Adobe. Simply going to Add/remove programs from control panel will not completely uninstall

    http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/141/tn_14157.html

  47. Val, I agree, 9/11 conspiracy theories infuriate me.
    The building next to the towers that was brought down -had to come down; it was too dangerous. I know the fireman working down there -I’ve heard their stories. The plane that came down in PA -of course it disintegrated.
    South, please these theories make no sense.
    It would be a lot easier to drill off the shores of Florida or Alaska as opposed to starting a war & killing thousands of our own people. Poppies? they can be grown here.

  48. Stephanie,

    I see you’re wearing 9/11 blinders.

    Some will never take them off.

  49. Oh yeah!

    Obama is eligible to hold that office. There’s no way a conspiracy to defraud a nation could ever take place.

  50. Again, let’s not make this a 9-11 issue. Please!

    Distraction … just what they want !

  51. Check this out – This needs to go viral.

  52. The South // September 8, 2009 at 7:27 pm

    Aren’t you forgetting the billions in gold in the basement of one of the towers??
    Noone has explained where it went, or if anyone filed insuarnce claim for it……..GO FIGURE…NOT A WORD…

  53. Hi The South and Venice,

    Not to get *too* personal here, but I’m being evaluated for MS (90% chance I have it, and I’m no kid!) and I do have confirmed lung disease, in addition to previous intestinal surgeries and a cadre of other maladies I won’t get into.

    My system is so compromised at this point, that some things that may help actually work to my detriment.

    I think my best bet is to stick with the vitamin and mineral supplements I know are OK for me, and check with the medical professionals if there’s something I’d like to try.

    Autoimmune diseases react to products like colloidal silver (The South-MS was mentioned in that piece you sent) so in order not to compromise myself further, I’ll stick with the tried and true!

    ##############################

    Thanks to all friends at CW who have been concerned about me. I love you guys :).

  54. South: I’d like to know your take on this clip from YouTube, please:
    ———————————————————–

    ———————————————————–
    if fake, it’s a pretty good one.

  55. Thank you, Honor First and Zeeshopper,
    I am on my way to getting the Flash Player to view the YouTube videos.

  56. @ 8:44: Maybe someone who’s a video ‘expert’ can explain, or dismantle this one (?)…

  57. SueK.

    They say we are our own “best doctor”, and if you feel what you’re doing is best for you, then by all means do what you’re most comfortable with.

    I just wanted you to be aware of why you had a reaction, so as that you didn’t go through life thinking the silver did it; as it was only doing what it was supposed to do.

    I wish you luck, and hope you get better hun!

  58. They had that 9/11 theory debunking story on Nat Geo a couple of days ago, and I watched the show. The representatives for the truthers had some pretty weak arguments, and some far fetched excuses for missing evidence. In other words, they looked like fools. Totally debunked.

  59. Hey, lets legalize hookers

  60. I think my best bet is to stick with the vitamin and mineral supplements I know are OK for me, and check with the medical professionals if there’s something I’d like to try.

    ===== SueK—-You are right on with this
    statement. I hope you are NOT going to
    cont. with the silver —Please!!!!!!!!!!
    You got the reaction for a reason, now, you
    must listen to your body and not repeat it—
    just my unmedical opinion as a “friend” on
    this blog. Take care and check in with us
    OFTEN—that’s an order, Tweety:):)

  61. Rocknee—NO!

  62. Thanks, The South…I think I’d reached my tipping point that night.

    If this had been a mild but noticeable reaction, I could’ve dealt with it unfortunately, it wasn’t.

    And I need all the luck I can get! Thanks for your replies and I’m feeling much better!

  63. Patriot Dreamer

    SueK,

    I’m glad you’re feeling better!

  64. maddie // September 8, 2009 at 8:50 pm

    No, Maddie, done with the silver but as The South says, it may have been doing what it was designed to do; my reaction to that, however, was violent (and I’m sure that the hospital bill will be violent, too..)

    I always check in….gotta keep y’all on top of H1N1, don’t I?

    Orders received, ma’am. Thank you, ma’am :).

  65. Patriot Dreamer // September 8, 2009 at 8:54 pm

    Thanks, PD! Feeling much better but will be checked out at the end of the week to make sure.

  66. Poppy fields and hookers, obummer world.

  67. Re-do, I’ve seen that video, and….

    All I have to say is this: There is overwhelming amounts of eye witness testimonies, and video footage, that leans heavily in the direction that 9/11 was in fact, an inside job.

    I would like to see all the eye witness testimony, and video footage that proves it was NOT and inside job.

    Maybe someone can tell me why the pillars in this picture at the base of the towers is cut in a PERFECT 45′ ANGLE

    Can you say Thermate?

  68. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0909/26866.html

    There appears to be open dissent within the ranks. That is not surprising, but what is is that those close to this president have yet to figure him out. They say he’s not bold enough, he doesn’t listen to what others say. Really? Oh my!

    Bold has nothing to do with it. Neither does not listening.

    Obama has a carefully crafted agenda, that is revised daily, hourly, and very carefully. I’m quite certain that no one, including even Michelle knows his full intentions.

    Bold would require being guided by core general principles , the strength of one’s convictions, and the preparedness for defeat, as it applies to policy decision making.

    Listening would require a temporary suspension of the above.

    Obama’s agenda is not about policy making. It is about holding and weilding power, in whatever form it takes.

    Decisions regarding that cannot be bold and they certainly do not involve listening to others.

  69. SueK

    Have someone special in our lives who was diagnosed with MS several years ago. A spinal tap confirms it.

  70. SueK-I think you are correct in sticking with what works. 2 of my girl friends both Irish descent have the same kind of issues that you do. Medication seems to work in reverse with them. Always better to be safe than sorry, and I think once a person gets sick from something it is almost impossible to get it down, even the smell will make you sick.

  71. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    RE: Orly Case….

    If it is true, that on Oct 5, if Carter tosses the motion to dismiss, and allows discovery, what will happen?

    If that means that Orly will get subpoena powers to get the documents requested, then a lot more is going to happen politically between Oct and Jan, than merely preparation for the trial.

    Because we will find out if there is any motive for Obama to be hiding the information…

    If it is found out that he used other passports to get student aide at Occidental, Columbia or Harvard…then politically you’ll see his number drop precipitously…

    If not, his numbers will rise, as his opponents claim he was maligned and they will try to sweep the NBC issue under the rug…

    Personally, I see no reason for Carter to schedule a trial in Jan., the case is too important, and believe that the country is being cleverly manipulated through the courts to keep waiting for lawyers to save us, and thus give time for Obama to put everything in place to sieze total power.

    In all, I believe the results are dim and bad…

    Carter, as someone said, was appointed by Clinton: anyone with a drop of common sense does not put a case of usurpation on hold for 4 months, while the usurper can do more evil ….

    Carter seems to me just a very slick operative: and I predict in the end he will not rule on the NBC issue…leaving Zero in power…

  72. SueK,

    I respect your privacy and have kept my comments in general terms so as to not trigger self-disclosure.

    But your medical history supports what I am saying. That is, severe reactions can result from a number of causes. It is not enough to say, the intended purpose of said product is x. It must always be understood in the context of the person consuming it. That is their medical history, their genetic make-up and on and on.

    Penicllin saved and continues to save
    millions of lives. It also killed many because of the allergic propensities in those who took it. Unfortunately those people didn’t get a second chance.

  73. CNN @ 9:05,

    I agree … too much time.

  74. I am excited, about Judge Carter deciding to get some answers from Obama. Obama will go down in flames, if the judge orders him to cough up a valid BC, along with, passport records, college entry records, etc. The court already has 2 Kenyan birth documents, and affidavits swearing to their validity. The evidence is going to end this nightmare, and the obots know it.

    The battle, Obama will stage, to keep his “stuff” hidden, is going to be fun to watch, so will his resignation. Wait a minute he can’t resign, he was never the legal president!

    CW, please cover this trial, in judge Carters court. This judge means business, and if he orders discovery Obama’s not going to be the president much longer, his hidden records, will be his death knell.

  75. South @ 8:57: I find the interviews with Jesse…3 parts on YouTube…puts forth interesting questions;
    and doesn’t get very satisfactory answers…

  76. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    The South,

    The thermate charge is unfounded: I read the long “scientific report” the 9/11 truthers put out: on the face of it the allegation can be dismissed because for that amount of material to be trucked to the 2 towers, would require lots of trucks and could not be hidden on the floors where it had to be.

    What did happen explains what was found.

    You had a structure designed only for the stresses that normally would be experienced; never for an attack by airliners full of fuel.

    The resultant fires melted the structural supports enough to begin a catastrophic collapse, which pancaked the initial layers like dominos falling; in the direction down, there is naturall acceleration…so the pancacking turned to demolition and then to a flurry of waterfall like disintegration…

    On the way down you had some unique processes take place, with the mixing of so much differentiated material, including live human bodies…the resulting dust has chemical properties not seen before, becasue we have not seen such a process before…and the resulting dust has what one would expect from such a process…its not thermate, its organic material (human bodies mostly) attached to particles of the buiding structure…note that the resulting dust is grey, like the dust of the Moon, this is is a natural result from undifferentiated disintegration in my opinion…

    Try to find some objective material scientists and don’t take 9/12’s word for face value…

  77. Bob @ 9:12,

    I worry that this gives Obummer too much time to “clean” things up. Is there any chance that he can have all his records ‘scrubbed”?

  78. Rocknee // September 8, 2009 at 8:58 pm

    Hi Rocknee,

    Sorry to read that someone dear to you was affected.

    I’m outside the age range for MS but have been showing some diffuse symptoms since 2003. 5-10% of MS patients show a *negative* spinal tap (I had that &^% test this spring) and I’m in that group. I’m told that a positive spinal tap most often occurs at the outset of the disease and since I’ve been symptomatic for nearly 6 years, the spinal tap was negative.

    Since this is a very slow-mover, I’m being monitored closely by the best docs.

    So far, my mobility is not severely compromised, but I do have other, sometimes startling symptoms which I can only describe as ‘interesting.’ I’m still able to work and do most of the things I’ve been doing.

    I hope that your dear one is managing well. Thanks for sharing :).

  79. Civis Naturaliter Natus don’t forget this is not the only case, there are hundreds more. It also gives time to find more evidence one never knows where that is going to come from. I think the longer it is stalled the angrier people are going to be. Obama’s numbers are in freefall, due mainly to him, the people are fighting back and growing stronger everyday. I saw on the news tonight representatives are coming back from their town hall meetings and are changing their positions on health care. The people are being heard, and the representatives are starting to listen. 9/12 should be very interesting in DC.

  80. Val-everyone learned to save and print everything.

  81. Just release footage, that has been under wraps for some time.

    Kind of funny if you ask me, how a Boeing could hit the ground, and only leave a 10′x20′ ft hole, and “NO AIRPLANE PARTS” visible anywhere.

    For those of you who don’t understand, or better yet, refuse to understand, let me lay it out for you.

    There is a shadow gov’t that runs the corporation called the USA. This shadow gov’t consist mainly of bankers or owners of banks. Their main goal in life is power and control.

    In 2001 or before, they decided they wanted to take over the poppy fields in Afghanistan because of the opium $$$$$ and they wanted to take over the oil fields in Iraq $$$$$.

    They can’t just invade those countries and steel all those resources in plain sight without gaining overwhelming “public support”.

    How do they gain public support? They can’t just come out and ask the American people on nationwide news if we’ll let them invade Afghanistan and Iraq to steel those resources now can they?

    *******************************************
    South—-If the plane went nose first straight into the ground then there would be little debris on the ground….also….I have read a lot of witness statements and stories about this flight….Many brave Americans contacted their loved ones before taking the plane down and told their stories about exactly what was going to happen….this was the plane that was going to crash into the White House…..these Patriots brought it down and it is very possible it left nothing but a huge crater….as to the poppy and oil…..much is still there so I don’t believe that is why we went to war….of course you can believe any conspiracy theory you want…..what you say can’t be proven though so….I’m not buying it and evidently Van Jones couldn’t prove it either….otherwise why did he resign if he signed a legitimate petition!!! This is such a conspiracy theory from the radical left that want to take down Bush and Cheney any way they can!!

    BTW…read the book….Let’s Roll by Todd Beamer’s widow….she spoke with him as he and others were plotting how to stop them from crashing the planed into the White House…Todd was on flight 93 as they were deciding what to do….her true story is not a conspiracy and this plane was really taken over by terrorist who don’t like Americans….these 9/11 truthers are just Anti-Americans who want to take our country over with their Communist ways!!!

  82. Guys and gals more good news
    Natural Born Citizen ^ | 9-8-09 | Leo Donofrio/UCONN Research Team
    [The research team from UCONN – UNDEAD REVOLUTION – have published “Part 1″ of their exhaustive research on the historical meaning of the “natural born citizen” POTUS eligibility requirement. I am republishing their report here as my first guest blog. Please click through to their blog for the full report. I am simultaneously publishing my analysis of an incredible find by the UR team which firmly establishes that Chester Arthur’s British birth was not known to the public while he was President and therefore sets no historical or legal precedent for Obama. Now, for your historical education, the Natural Born…

  83. Michelle …??

    Not sure I understand your reply. I’m asking … can he get insiders to scrub his negative info ? Make it look like he needs it to look?

  84. Bob Strauss,

    I sure hope you are right. I think millions are waiting for the right circumstances.

    My concern is the timing. It is deferred till January 2010 and the world may be a different place, where such an event will vanish in its importance.

    I know I’m not alone when I say I have a looming sense, whether it is financial, political of both of vast changes that could easily establish events such as today with Carter, obsolete. Maybe you disagree.

  85. Michelle // September 8, 2009 at 9:00 pm

    Evening, Michelle, and thank you.

    Yes, I’ve heard that the people who live in the northern climes, especially the British Isles are especially prone, but no one knows why! Lack of sunlight in winter, perhaps?

    And yes, medication can work in reverse. I have to laugh each time I fill a prescription and read the little patient info sheet. It usually says something like: ‘1/10 of 1% of people will experience (this) symptom.’ I always seem to be in that group!

    I think that those of us with multiple medical issues need to determine what will and won’t work for us after all, even though we all belong to the human race, our bodies are so diverse!

    As we go along in life, we learn. Hopefully.

  86. Rocknee, If you legalize poppy fields, and hookers, please legalize knocking some sense into people, thanks. God Bless America

  87. #

    Val // September 8, 2009 at 8:35 pm

    Again, let’s not make this a 9-11 issue. Please!

    Distraction … just what they want !
    *******************************************

    Val you are right….South….are you one of those truthers??? Did you sign that petition too???

  88. Venice,

    I’m with you. I’m afraid this gives too much time for Obummer and his thugs to create a “problem” to distract. And then there’s the ‘martial law’ problem too.

  89. Jacqlyn @ 9:24,

    THANK -YOU!

    Let’s move along now ….

    is there any video footage of the court case today? I sure would think with all the advance notice that someone would have filmed some of this. They say Lucas Smith was there …. anyone catch this on film?

  90. bob strauss // September 8, 2009 at 9:12 pm

    I am excited, about Judge Carter deciding to get some answers from Obama. Obama will go down in flames, if the judge orders him to cough up a valid BC, along with, passport records, college entry records, etc. The court already has 2 Kenyan birth documents, and affidavits swearing to their validity. The evidence is going to end this nightmare, and the obots know it.

    The battle, Obama will stage, to keep his “stuff” hidden, is going to be fun to watch, so will his resignation. Wait a minute he can’t resign, he was never the legal president!

    CW, please cover this trial, in judge Carters court. This judge means business, and if he orders discovery Obama’s not going to be the president much longer, his hidden records, will be his death knell.
    +++++++++++++
    I totally agree, Bob. There is now way too much pressure on Obama and any of his records
    will undoubtedly be enough “discovery” to
    lead to his demise and swiftly.

  91. South, et al: correction: 4 parts on Youtube of the Jesse interview…realizing they’re from awhile ago.
    I’ve not even been a fan of Jesse, but he asked some pretty reasonable questions, IMHO…and didn’t get anything of substance in response.
    ——————————————————–
    in my book, it’s never ‘who is right’…but ‘what is right’…and the truth seems to always find it’s way in the Light; even when it seems like it’s really dark…or it takes a long time.
    ——————————————————-
    so: what’s up with Alex Jones ‘late breaking’?

  92. I saw a bumper sticker today that I would love to have:

    Is it 2012 yet?

  93. Oops forgot to mention. Those not going to D C will be protesting at the News Station in my State. I ask you do the same. We can not stop the fight to save America. We are going against alot of money. We must fight on.

  94. Val-I think they have already done that/or attempted to do it, but there may be people- I’m from Chicago -who have “stuff” saved for just the right opportunity-it is called insurance. Some have been known to get real nutty there copy material like this and pass it around to all their friends. Then there is the group that maybe Obama didn’t pay off enough, or 1 finds out he/she sold out cheap and someone got more. $$$ extortion. The list could go on forever. The guys sitting in Cook County slammer probably know everything and more. They have a hell of a grapevine. Reason: they are in jail for petty stuff compared to what the politicians are getting away with. This gives them a very bad attitude. If they have knowledge of Obama crimes, they would bring him down just for the pure sport of it. Their way of playing “get the government” and they would like a little respect. People think these criminals are dummies, some are very bright, misguided but some have been known to reject that life and become decent citizens. It is called guilt.

  95. Re-do,

    Alex Jones:
    Charlie Sheen chatted with the TOTUS

    Whoppee … who cares?

  96. venice // September 8, 2009 at 9:09 pm

    Understood, Venice, and agreed upon.

    Sometimes, all you need is a trigger and all hell breaks loose.

    I probably shouldn’t have gone this alone; next time, I’ll certainly involve the medical pros. Maybe this product *was* doing some good; I’ll never know.

    It’s funny how you don’t know if you’re allergic or will react to the peanut until you actually *eat* the peanut? Reactions will vary by individual, and there’s no telling how one’s system will react.

    I’m happy I got a second chance.

  97. CNN @ 9:13…per Jesse’s question: how does all that explain what happened with building #7?
    I don’t have an answer either…but I thought it was a reasonable question.

  98. I hope we don’t have to work against our own people (Birthers) bringing us down with naysaying!

  99. Michelle,

    Got it. Thank you !! :)

    I just wish this would hurry up and get going.

  100. Patriot Dreamer

    Val // September 8, 2009 at 9:32 pm

    Re-do,

    Alex Jones:
    Charlie Sheen chatted with the TOTUS

    Whoppee … who cares?
    **************************************
    Val, LOL! I’m with you!

  101. The obots would love that, and will work toward and encourage it.

  102. Val @ 9:32: What?! You don’t think Mr. Sheen could have some credible insight?! (LOL!!)…
    I didn’t think so either…yeh, like he’s an expert.
    Maybe you’ll read about it in People magazine.

  103. Listening to Hannity …

    Re-Do I think ‘they’ must be reading this blog. Just heard Obummer make a funny:

    CBS is starting a show – Dancing with the Czars!!!
    ( that was you, wasn’t it? )

  104. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/09/08/undead-revolution-historical-attack-on-obama-potus-eligibility-part-1/

    leo says:

    “My professional opinion, after reading the DOJ motion to dismiss will be published soon.”

    ——-

    Also says that if Carter tosses motion to dismiss, we can expect an immediate appeal of his decision before 30 days are up, or about Nov. 4th.

  105. SueK
    I’m happy I got a second chance
    JUST so you know so are we.

  106. Patriot Dreamer

    Re-do // September 8, 2009 at 9:35 pm

    Maybe you’ll read about it in People magazine.
    ******************************************
    Or Globe! ;)

  107. sue k i will say some prays for you stay close to god

  108. Maybe the guy growing on the show…you know who I’m talking about? He was cute in “The Rookie”…don’t ya think?

  109. Michelle // September 8, 2009 at 9:36 pm

    Thank you, Michelle! :)

  110. If ‘Alf’ was still around, I bet he’d know a thing or three…

  111. Re-Do,

    Maybe good ole Charlie should donate some of his hooker money to a good cause!

    Ok guys … hookers are NOT a good cause!
    geeze!

  112. I don’t know any ‘birthers’…so don’t ‘axe’ me…

  113. Val…now you’re treading on “Billy” territory; better be careful…

  114. Alex @ 9:35,

    Don’t leave please! Stick around! :)

  115. truthbetold11 // September 8, 2009 at 9:37 pm

    Thanks, TBT11…I feel I was very close to Him last Thursday night. I will remain there with more prayers. Thank you.

  116. Re-do,

    Next year are we going to be called “after birthers’ ?

  117. You know who would be a reliable source:
    “Norm”…from Cheers…after all, everybody knows his name

  118. SueK-sometimes it helps to go into a deep state of relaxation-therapy
    http://www.sarahsarchangels.com/angelprayers.html

  119. Re-do,

    you talking about Intern Billy?

  120. Val,

    If I’m not mistaken it’s ABC that will be doing “Dancing with the Czars”. At that point, I realized it was just more of the same mocking of Repubs.

  121. Val @ 9:41: so long is it doesn’t come with that nasty ‘post-whatever depression” that some suffer from…eeeeuuuu…I hear it can be the pits.

  122. Michelle // September 8, 2009 at 9:42 pm

    OOOHH, Michelle, that’s wonderful-thank you!

  123. Yup…uh-oh…I feel that song coming on again:
    “Billy…don’t be a hero!”…maybe it needs a re-write…
    “Barry…don’t be a zero!”…

  124. What gets me is … today we had a court case that involved the POTUS and more court cases regarding this issue and what do you hear from the MSM … crickets!

    Come on Glenn… we’re asking reasonable questions in unreasonable times … please help us get to the answer!!

  125. and just wait til all of this is part of Jeopardy!…
    “I’ll take ‘birthers’ for a thousand, Alex!”…

  126. zachjonesishome

    CNN – I believe this is good news about Orly. The January scheduling of something that if it gets to discovery will be really big seems reasonable to me. It will take several days/weeks to deal with. Authentication of the documents will take some time. That’s a chunk of time for a busy court in California to come up with. Obama’s people will flood the court with motions, etc. I expect an interlocutory appeal, gag order, any manner of delay tactics etc.

    I certainly worry about the time that is given to Obama’s people to scrub the records, etc.

    However, the other side is that military men and women are paying attention.

    With each step, one more member of the military may become convinced that he or she is following orders that are in all likelihood unlawful.

    The following article was also in the news today.

    Army captain challenges legitimacy of Barack Obama’s birth certificate; Orly Taitz involved – http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/breaking_news/story/832350.html

    I appreciate all your comments and concerns. However, I really do believe that this is good news.

    Take care. I’m off to bed now. Zach

  127. Re-do

    look at 9:36 … was that you that made that comment …

  128. Re-do,

    I’ll take Czars for a dime Alex !

  129. CNN —

    Since you asked — I expanded the L. Smith document to match European and U.S. paper sizes.

    The document is almost certainly printed on U.S. 8.5 x 11.

    However, that does not mean that the original is also U.S. 8.5 x 11.

    However, it does beg the question — why does a hospital in Mombasa, Kenya, use U.S. 8.5 x 11 printer paper in its copier? I don’t think so!

  130. ‘Post-Party Depression’…is that what the ‘Hope & Changers’ are experiencing these days…an the meter reads, what? -13?

  131. Listen to yourselves people. Do not leave anything conclusive with this government. Here we have 2 arguments intermixing due to the anniversary timing.

    On one hand we have people saying 9/11 was an inside job.

    On the other hand we have people saying it was not an inside job, but are say their government is usurping by not vetting a candidate, protecting him with DOJ assistance, stealing money from the American people, and trying to pass bills and endoctrinate their children.

    So, which one is it folks? Somewhere in the middle is the answer.

  132. Thanks Zach,

    I appreciate your comments.

  133. “are saying” that is…

  134. Re-do,

    Are you referring to postpartum depression or posttraumatic stress disorder. If its the former, I believe it belongs only to half of the population. Though some men are afflicted with this too (that is when the wife gives birth).

  135. If you’re referring to the ‘Dancing With The Czars’ thing…I only echoed what someone else had posted…it seemed worthy of a ‘re-do’…I thought it was brilliant, but I can’t take credit for it. You’d have to go back some to find the original…sorry. Not mine; but FUNNY!
    ————————————————-
    Val…I think you hit the “daily double!”

  136. Listening to Hannity … someone just said that Obummer should have told the children to … get a good education to get a good job that will pay you over 250K a year, because you’re going to need it to pay the taxes!!!

  137. zachjonesishome
    I wonder if the Globe will print these latest stories, they have done quite a few already.

  138. Venice, if Carter orders discovery, it will be over ,long before January. Obama will have to find a way to keep his history hidden, his lawyers are probably working overtime about now. Maybe he will plead the “fifth”.

    Does anyone know what the turn out at the hearing was like? How many people were there? What was the mood of the attendees?

  139. So what if a whole Platoon decided to question the TOTUS? Would that get attention?

    Oldsalt ?

  140. Venice @ 9:53: yeh, thanks…I think that’s the one: only I was only using as an ‘example’ to Val’s humorous banter…
    btw: yeh, but the men can just (kudos to those who like ‘bumpa stickas’)
    “hava beeya an fuggettabowdit…!”

  141. bob strauss // September 8, 2009 at 9:56 pm

    Hi Bob,

    If he pleads the 5th, that’ll arouse even more suspicion, don’t you think? This ROTUS (I call him ‘Resident’) pleading the 5th??

    I’ve read that the turnout was more than expected and that they had to move to a larger courtroom to accommodate the people. Many Orly supporters were there and many were older Americans.

    Wish we had some sort of tape from the proceedings.

    Don’t know if FoxNews ever showed up.

  142. Two quick notes on 9/11.

    Over 30 years ago I watched the house directly across the street from me burn to the ground before the FD could arrive (lots of snow on the road in a town with no plows). There were MANY “explosions”…gasoline cans, the water heater, spray cans, a propane tank. How much equipment in those buildings was capable of exploding when heated?

    I was an AF brat. I have seen the remains of a high speed plane crash. If I hadn’t known what the hole in the ground was from I would not have guessed it was from a crash.
    Just sayin’……..

  143. Val @ 9:55: OR…he coulda told ‘em…
    “listen up kiddies…when you’re done here, all ya need to know is how to say, ‘want fries widdat?’…you’ll only need to earn minimum wage, cause rich whitey’s gonna cover ALL your expenses…and, when the boss aint lookin’…y’all can eat all you want for FREE!!…and you KNOW eating that sh** yer gonna need all the medical help you can git!”

  144. Re-do // September 8, 2009 at 9:58 pm

    Re-do, are you *sure* you’re not originally from Boston???? Ya gut the lingo down pat.

  145. SueK,

    Haha! I thought I was reading RODENT not ROTUS. Nice slip.

  146. Sue K: When we are at our weakest, He is at his strongest. The brain is the strongest organ in the human body; it can heal the body. There is nothing wrong with your thinking, therefore, your brain is strong. You survived because He has work for you to do IMHO. So get to work! LOL. We are all grateful for your contribution to the conversation here, and that was expressed by one after another in response to your pain. God loves you and so do we, and that should be enough to sustain you for long into the future. Peace be with you…Linda

  147. venice // September 8, 2009 at 10:03 pm

    Either works, Venice…either works :)

  148. Person at the court house has a very up beat take on the hearing…

    ” Judge David Carter refused to hear Obama’s request for dismissal today, instead setting a hearing date for Oct. 5, since Obama’s attorneys had just filed the motion on Friday. He indicated there was almost no chance that this case would be dismissed. ”

    Orly’s blog………

  149. SueK @ 9:58: nope…only saw “Good Will Hunting” a few times…hehe…how’d you like Matt Damen’s vocal chops in that one?

  150. Matt Damon?…you know…”Borne Identity”, etc.
    …maybe they should do a re-make, starring BHO!

  151. Linda from NY // September 8, 2009 at 10:03 pm

    Awww, thank you, Linda, and what you say is true. I think many of us can agree that we’d have been gone a long time ago if it wasn’t for our faith.

    I so appreciate the concern here-it’s helped more than I can say. I’m getting to work and although I don’t have any inside scoop on the ROTUS, I certainly can keep the H1N1 end of the deal.

    God Bless us all and again, thank you!

  152. I can’t stand Dr. Fill !

    He was on Hannity.

  153. Re-do,

    Re-do’s and re-makes. Too bad this nightmare of an administration wasn’t a re-do or a re-make.

  154. Please do not make any conclusions about who, what, how, or why until you read the official 9/11 timeline:

    http://www.historycommons.org/project.jsp?project=911_project

    It’s an excellent read, and timely for the upcoming “anniversary” of the attacks.

  155. OMG!!! He’s doing another speech tomorrow!!

    His ratings are dropping, but they’re still running his show? Enough already!

    When will he get canceled?

  156. I’m not saying 9/11 was an inside job because I hate Bush (I actually liked Bush).

    What if Bush had no say so? What if he didn’t even know? What if they bankers who actually run this country, did it without his consent?

    Not possible?

    It’s probably not possible that the US is a corporation either, it’s a conspiracy :)

  157. Fernley Girl-I agree–you could hear the explosions but God knows what it was from. The buildings were huge, could have been boilers, giant computer systems. You can imagine all the stuff a big building like that might have in it.
    We had lots of airplane crashes by O’Hare, each horrible in its own way and all a little bit different.

  158. I heard a Doc said that Joe Biden has signs of dementia . ( Good for Barry, eh? )

  159. The South,

    Bush should have known. If he didn’t he was an idiot for not knowing. There are over 30 citations of warnings from various international sources, including India, Israel, Caymen Islands, and Egypt.

    http://www.historycommons.org/project.jsp?project=911_project

    That’s what intelligence is for. Apparently intelligence was asleep for 5 years. If you believe that I have some acreage in the Everglades for sale.

  160. My faith in our Government (Corporation) grows stronger with each passing hour.

    Corruption Exposed

  161. All from Orly’s blog
    The judge, who is a former U.S. Marine, repeated several times that this is a very serious case which must be resolved quickly so that the troops know that their Commander in Chief is eligible to hold that position and issue lawful orders to our military in this time of war. He basically said Obama must prove his eligibility to the court! He said Americans deserve to know the truth about their President!

    The two U.S. Attorneys representing Barack Obama tried everything they could to sway the judge that this case was frivolous, but Carter would have none of it and cut them off several times. Obama’s attorneys left the courtroom after about the 90 minute hearing looking defeated and nervous.

  162. JeffM (M, as in “Mr. Sanity”?!): okay…took a look at that…got a ‘timeline for dummies’ version?! that looks overwhelming; got any pointers on how/where to start making sense of it? (I’m still a little stuck in the “Borne Identity” phase…)
    grassy us. (that’s Gringo for ‘gracias!’)…

  163. SueK

    TY, she is doing fine. Gives herself an injection ever other day. Had a child several months ago.

  164. Val @ 10:12: yep…like the saying, ‘they’re rearranging the chairs on the deck of the Titanic’…looks a bit desperate…while the band keeps playing.

  165. JeffM.

    I’m on the same page as you buddy. I’ve read hundreds of pages of evidence, and watched hundreds of videos that lean strongly in the direction of a government cover-up.

    I’m glad the people on this blog that are defending the government aren’t defending me in a murder trial.

    How many people have you seen over the years, that said “I didn’t believe our gov’t could be involved”.

    And then I started doing research, and came to a different conclusion.

    Anyone who can’t come to that conclusion, simply hasn’t done the research.

    If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck,

    It must be a cow.

  166. 9/11 isn’t a diversion. It was the precipice for the dissolution of our freedoms.

    I’m surprised to see the denial of the possibility of the government’s participation in this event on this site.

    The South….don’t be deterred.

  167. “I’ll take ‘desperate speeches’ for $200, Alex!”

  168. Michelle,

    If this interpretation is accurate, it is either staged or there is a change in the wind. Perhaps Obama has disappointed his puppetmasters. After having the entire judicial system under lock and key for over a year, it’s hard to imagine any judge making such statements.

    This does not make sense to me.

  169. Re-do,

    I could get you started but the bottom line it’s like a giant “North and South” novel and to get the entire grasp of complexity of the 9/11 fiasco.

    I can tell you this:

    1. NIST couldn’t verify their own research on how the building fell in the official analysis
    2. No one can correctly explain why WTC7 fell
    3. There was too much forewarning of this attack for our government to say “we didn’t know”
    4. There are too many holes in the official story to even begin to take it seriously

    That should get you started.

  170. Jeff M.

    Ditto!

  171. Michelle,

    Did Orly have any pics on the blog?

  172. The South,

    I can honestly say I don’t know the official story on the attacks 8 years ago. The verdict is still out. But, based on all my research it’s pointing more towards a giant banking heist perpetrated by overseas enemies of the U.S. and utilized more like a modern day Pearl Harbor by certain factions in the U.S. federal government.

    One may never get to the root of this. There are too many people involved to get a simple conclusion as to the who, what, and why.

  173. “I’ll take ‘excessive stimulus’ for 13 trillion, Alex!”

  174. “WHAT?!…the ‘DAILY DOUBLE’?!”

  175. “I’ll take an eight ball of crack for $250. Alex”

  176. Re-do,

    That’s funny. Does anyone have the debt number we are up to now? What government in their right mind would rack up the debt so badly beyond recovery when it doesn’t have to?

    Answer this question and you can answer why we still allow ourselves to be “ruled” by this federal regime.

  177. Re-do // September 8, 2009 at 10:06 pm

    Re-do, ya gotta be from heeyah to be able to chop like that! It was a wicked good job Matt did :)

  178. GBAmerica,

    Thanks for the link to the NWO article.

  179. Val @ 10:32: “What is ‘what’s that big guy in the limo want?'”

  180. Rocknee // September 8, 2009 at 10:24 pm

    Good, Rocknee-very happy to read that! Yes, all the MS drugs are beta interferons and must be injected. I’m not at that stage yet, but it may be coming soon.

    Please send her my best and tell her to continue to feel good!

  181. JeffM-just so you know here in Florida there is a terrible problem in the Everglades. People were abandoning their pet pythons in the Glades, so with no natural predators they fulfilled the Biblical injunction and became fruitful and multiplied. They are now being captured and killed due to they are wiping out a lot of native species. That 24 hour fight between the alligator and python was not a joke it really happened. It’s really cool how they find them, those mighty hunters- beagles. This is when people decide to take the law into their own hands, and do whatever they damn well please Obama. This all was prompted by one of the pythons killed a 2 year old.

  182. Blago “talking” on Greta tonight.
    Just said getting involved with Rezko was
    “boned headed” by Obama — Blago talked about Emmanuel, too. Talked about his book, the Governor. Greta wants Blago’s tapes released
    and tells Blago to ask judge for them.

  183. JeffM // September 8, 2009 at 10:19 pm
    The South,
    [snip]
    That’s what intelligence is for. Apparently intelligence was asleep for 5 years.
    [snip]
    Clinton put the CIA in its coma, and refused to take out Bin Laden. But no one ever asks the question “What did Clinton know, and when did he know it?” Take a look at Clinton’s connections.

  184. Michelle,

    I had no idea of the python problem down in the Glades. That’s interesting. Perhaps we should ask Al Gore the answer as to how to fix the problem.

    He seems to know everything about the environment, enough to squander billions from the American people and billions overseas from other sucker nations tied to the Kyoto Accord.

  185. “I’ll take ‘tax cheats’ for 2000, Alex…
    no…better make that 400…”

  186. Val-not yet-I’m sure Dr. Orly and group are totally exhausted.

  187. Ever wonder why Osama Bin Laden has never been captured?

    Ever wonder who’s making sure he never gets captured?

    You mean to tell me the most powerful country in the world can’t seem to dig this guy up?

    I mean it would be different if they didn’t know who did it, but “THEY KNOW” and still can’t find him?

    We have satelites that can see a june bug from outer space, and we can’t find Osama?

    Ever wonder why he worked with the CIA, and was a direct product of the CIA?

    Ever wonder what Constitutional right was waved with introduction of the Patriot Act?

    I must just be crazy.

  188. Re-do,

    Alex, The answer is .. a ‘job’

    Daily Double !!! What? Times up … continue tomorrow at the Quality Inn.

  189. JeffM…who was tied with a cord to a Kyoto?!
    those things are hard to play sitting down!
    Besides, aren’t Accords made in the U.S. now?

  190. Val @ 10:44: “aw…no…Michelle, I’m so sorry; you didn’t put that in the form of a question!”
    ——————————————————
    “…but it’s still your turn, wanna select from another category? Let’s see…there’s
    ‘Chicago Pals’ and ‘unnamed donors’ still on the board…name your poison…oops…um, I mean; take your pick!”

  191. Your welcome Jeff.

  192. Val—

    to: BHO from the American People—-

    “Your Show is CANCELLED. You may now leave FOREVER!”

    (teaparty crowds outside cheering the good news!)

  193. All-I think this is the person who served Obama the day of or one day before the Inauguration and he had to go throught hoops to do it.
    September 8th, 2009 Great Orly. I guess my trip to serve him at the White House paid off. Pat yourself on the back – you deserve it.
    I stand ready here in DC if you need my help.
    You are a great American!
    Sent from my BlackBerry
    David A. Turner, Jr.

  194. oh… I mean “Val”…musta been something in the water….

  195. I’m totally new to the 911 truther stuff. I look at things eyes wide open. The facts of 911 to me seem to raise eyebrows and a puzzled looks. I think bush turned his head on this and took one for the shadow govt. I think it went further than maybe he was told. There are to many crazy things that went on.

  196. The South…

    I had read that Benazir Bhutto revealed just prior to her assassination that Osama is dead and had been for some time. Our CIA was behind this event.

    Pretty obvious, beyond the reasons you mention in prior post, his kidney disease would preclude his ongoing existence in a cave.

  197. JeffM-this is the story of the little girl who was killed by boyfriends pet python. Google Florida’s python problem you will be amazed how bad it is.
    http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1909404,00.html

  198. And now, a word from our sponsor:
    “…Do you have that tired, run-over feeling…?”

  199. Night all.

  200. Fernley Girl,

    I’m not buying it. Even with Clinton tearing down the CIA, it would take an administration in a coma not to take the warnings from nearly a dozen nations an attack was imminent and let it sit on the back burner.

    Someone needs to explain to me how the CIA, a multi-million dollar agency with decades of experiance couldn’t follow up on an official warning from numerous international governments.

    Wait, perhaps they did. Perhaps in the mid-90’s the CIA was snooping on several of the perpetrators in the 9/11 attacks. Perhaps Al Qaeda informants were spilling the beans on certain operations as early as 1995. Perhaps, just perhaps, this goes deeper than just an isolated incident.

    Read on here:

    http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&before_9/11=counterterrorismBefore911

    I’ll take Fitzgerald’s Past for $1000, Alex.

  201. Did I read on the other thread that Congress
    can “grant” citizenship???? I hope this is not
    true and isn’t the next crap to come up.

  202. venice – not only has he disappointed his puppetmasters, but he has drawn great attention
    to them. Nothing like life in the precarious lane.
    May all conspirators and co-conspirators whoever them maybe, wherever they may be be found out. I think you will see a lot of people coming forward. Now that the spotlight is on this people want our entire government cleaned up and fast. They can run but there is nowhere on God’s earth they can hide. Where did the Nazi’s go after World War 2, Brazil? we’re on to that one too.

  203. Just e-mailed one of the Plaintiffs in Orly’s lawsuit.

    Let’s see if any new info comes to light.

  204. Have you all seen this view….it was posted at Dr. Taitz site along with the email I sent out to everyone on my contact list as well.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Tuesday, September 8, 2009 5:35 PM
    From:
    “Jeff Schwilk”

    View contact details
    To:
    Undisclosed-Recipient@yahoo.com
    The expedited trial has been set for Jan. 26, 2010, just 4 1/2 months from now!

    I and many other concerned veterans and citizens attended the hearing today in Federal Court in Santa Ana in the lawsuit against Barack Obama to determine his eligibility to be President and Commander in Chief. About 150 people showed up, almost all in support of the lawsuit to demand that Obama release his birth certificate and other records that he has hidden from the American people.

    Judge David Carter refused to hear Obama’s request for dismissal today, instead setting a hearing date for Oct. 5, since Obama’s attorneys had just filed the motion on Friday. He indicated there was almost no chance that this case would be dismissed. Obama is arguing this lawsuit was filed in the wrong court if you can believe that. I guess Obama would prefer a “kangaroo court” instead of a Federal court! Assuming Judge Carter denies Obama’s motion for dismissal, he will likely then order expedited discovery which will force Obama to release his birth certificate in a timely manner (if he has one).

    The judge, who is a former U.S. Marine, repeated several times that this is a very serious case which must be resolved quickly so that the troops know that their Commander in Chief is eligible to hold that position and issue lawful orders to our military in this time of war. He basically said Obama must prove his eligibility to the court! He said Americans deserve to know the truth about their President!

    The two U.S. Attorneys representing Barack Obama tried everything they could to sway the judge that this case was frivolous, but Carter would have none of it and cut them off several times. Obama’s attorneys left the courtroom after about the 90 minute hearing looking defeated and nervous.

    Great day in America for the U.S. Constitution!!! The truth about Barack Obama’s eligibility will be known fairly soon – Judge Carter practically guaranteed it!

    Video from the press conference after the hearing coming soon. Congratulations to plaintiffs attorney Dr. Orly Taitz! She did a great job and won some huge victories today. She was fearless!

    Jeff Schwilk, Founder
    http://www.SanDiegoMinutemen.com

  205. Maddie,

    CONgrass can do whatever they like. Remember?

  206. maddie-the only person I can think of that was given “honorary citizenship” was Winston S. Churchill.

  207. JeffM http://www.ae911truth.org/
    The engineers are still digging, they have to figure this out. They deal in future buildings and they are the curious type.

  208. JeffM @ 10:57: “What is ‘what looks like a Zebra?’?!”

  209. okay…now I’m gone….

  210. maddie -what would make that even worse, it meant all this time he was illegal and that is a crime. I think one of the lawyers wrote long ago it is not a retroactive situation.

  211. #

    JeffM // September 8, 2009 at 10:19 pm

    The South,

    Bush should have known. If he didn’t he was an idiot for not knowing. There are over 30 citations of warnings from various international sources, including India, Israel, Caymen Islands, and Egypt.

    http://www.historycommons.org/project.jsp?project=911_project

    That’s what intelligence is for. Apparently intelligence was asleep for 5 years. If you believe that I have some acreage in the Everglades for sale.
    *******************************************

    Jeff…How about Clinton should have known….it was on his watch when all this was being planned… you don’t think it was planned in just one year do you….Bush didn’t take office until Jan 20, 2001!!!! Put the blame where it should go!!

  212. JeffM,
    Obviously there was a conspiracy to perpetrate the events on 9/11. Will we ever know who the players were? No. Could the Clintonistas (Soros, the Chinese) have taken retribution for the “stolen” Gore election? Who knows? Could Bush have taken one for the Illuminati? Or maybe it was just a bunch of Bin Laden zealots with some incredibly dumb luck.
    The point is, that by the very nature of a well-done conspiracy, the conspirators cannot be known. Questions asked will never be answered.

  213. Just Me,

    You’re right of course about Osama on dialysis. Most survive approx. 5 years with the best of care, never mind in primitive cave conditions.

    That fact alone ensures he is no longer alive.

  214. Michelle,

    Thanks for the link. I’m aware of their research, and they are very intelligent for scanning the dust from the buildings. It’s a proverbial footprint on what caused the buildings to fall.

    I have been tracking this conspiracy since September 11, 2001. And I can honestly say the more research I do, the more complicated things get. Anyone basing their conclusions on research done by truthers like Alex Jones or the other side of the fence, the government, is not taking this fiasco at face value.

  215. #

    JeffM // September 8, 2009 at 10:26 pm

    Re-do,

    I could get you started but the bottom line it’s like a giant “North and South” novel and to get the entire grasp of complexity of the 9/11 fiasco.

    I can tell you this:

    1. NIST couldn’t verify their own research on how the building fell in the official analysis
    2. No one can correctly explain why WTC7 fell
    3. There was too much forewarning of this attack for our government to say “we didn’t know”
    4. There are too many holes in the official story to even begin to take it seriously

    That should get you started.
    _________________________________

    Holes in all the stories especially the conspiracy theory…..Witnesses on the planes made the calls to loved ones before the planes crashed….read the true stories and quit making things up…..some of you are starting to sound like the FRAUD in our house and his cronies!!!

  216. Linda from NY – He is a corrupt South Side thug, he has surround himself with same. He should not lecture anyone on anything at anytime. Did you ever hear that expression “Don’t be a nudge?”, this guy does not know when to quit, or exit stage left.

  217. A new film destroys the official 9/11 Pentagon
    crash story. Watch ” National Security Alert ”
    online for free.
    The original hole was only 16 feet across folks, the
    wingspan of the plane was 124 feet, not quite a match….

    Obama’s school speech today must have been a
    cover for Orly’s hearing. Lucas Smith is really
    putting himself on the line with the affadavit.
    Rense.com and infowars.com have covered
    this story, let’s hope they follow this trial
    closely!

  218. Jacqlyn Smith,

    I don’t care who’s to blame. What I care about is why the government continues to cling to an official story that has more holes in it than swiss cheese. I want to know why the government wanted to sweep this under the rug, remove the evidence as fast as possible, and provide as little funding as possible to investigation instead of getting down to brass tacks and respond to questions they knew the answers to.

    I don’t care if Bush or Clinton or the Pentagon, or whomever else was involved. What I want to know is why our beloved federal regime failed to act when it was their job to do so and they had more than sufficient evidence the crime was about to be committed and who the perpetrators would be.

    Everyone is down in the weeds when they
    should be up at the 10,000′ level, demanding why it happened to begin with. What are we paying these people to do? How is it they knew so much about the criminals years before and immediately after it was committed, yet not tell us the entire story?

    These are the questions I’m after.

  219. JeffM-another point, this all happened so fast I think everyone in New York City was in a deep state of shock. You wouldn’t notice things, almost too much for the human mind to process at the time. I mean these people were trying to save lives, getting killed, suffering deep trauma. How were they able to think at all is beyond me. All too much at the time, with distance I think things may become clearer. I wonder if the attack was really against the banking industry of the world, with this building just happening to be in New York. What if it was in London or Madrid would they have been attacked. I think it is more about what was in the building as opposed to where the building.

  220. Jacqlyn Smith,

    there is much discussion about the technological impossibilities of the calls being made…as a courtesy you may want to read it before you shut everyone down here for their posts. Afterall, these are the same folks that agree with you on the BC issue.

  221. Can anyone provide me a link to some photos of a Boeing 747 hitting the ground, and leaving no evidence? No airplane parts anywhere? A 10’x20’ft hole…..should have been a 50’x300’ft hole.

    I mean other than photos of 9/11

    Maybe someone can provide some photos of a Boeing aircraft hitting a building, and leaving a hole the size of a small missile, and beams pointing “outward” from the “incoming blast”?

    Of course I mean other than that of 9/11

    I mean it happens everyday! Airplanes fly into buildings and the blast looks more like an airplane flew “OUT OF THE BUILDING”.

    It happens everday: An airplane the size of a football field hits the ground and leaves a hole the size of a one car garage.

    Things that make you go hummmmmmmm.

  222. Obama is getting hit from many angles right now. It wasn’t long ago that nothing would materialize, regardless of who challenged him.

    Even his aborted(no pun intended) attempt to address the kids at school is far from what he intended.

    Now, Orly’s case. After how many attempts? Yes she was tenacious today, but no more than usual.

    High ranking Dems are attacking him, but more importantly the media are reporting it (that’s the real story).

    Hell, they could have even ensured that Larry’s book never saw the light of day, yet his sales continue. Remember, the guy who was put in jail and then released when Obama got the nomination.

    Something is not adding up….

  223. SIMMER DOWN, NA
    … SIMMER DOWN!

    ***distraction***

  224. Jacqlyn Smith said:

    “Holes in all the stories especially the conspiracy theory…..Witnesses on the planes made the calls to loved ones before the planes crashed….read the true stories and quit making things up…..some of you are starting to sound like the FRAUD in our house and his cronies!!”

    Have you ever tried to make a cell phone call from 30000′ DA? I have. That was my first personally witnessed tip that that part of the official story was questionable. What I can accept is the fact people can make calls on air phones. What I can not accept is anyone making a successful call with personal cell phones.

    But, don’t take my word for it, ask the airlines why they would spend so much money putting cell repeaters in aircrafts if the signal was so good on 9/11:

    http://www.public-action.com/911/cellphones-usatoday/index.html

    Again. I am not here to conclude anything. I am merely saying that people on here need to understand they can’t have their cake and eat it too. If the government is too corrupt to even follow the Constitution, then it shouldn’t be trusted, especially on national security issues like the crime that occurred on 9/11.

  225. Moving forward…..I am so use to a Dog and Pony show that I must ask the question, Is there any possibility the hearing will go forwarded on Oct 5th without the motion for discovery? I am wondering in the Legal world if these arguments can be heard in a court of law without discovery, and if so, how frequent does this occur? I am bracing myself for a “we heard your arguments and the case is closed”. Behind closed doors they are saying, we can’t let them see the actual documents of Obama otherwise they will have real proof he is a fraud, so lets let them get a hearing without discovery so we can say, “See the system works and you lost so move on”. Is this possible? Can we do anything to avoid the Dog and Pony show just in-case? I hope the Orly legal team has this in mind. Just wondering, what do you think?

    O.o raising an eye

    OU

  226. In case anyone’s interested the Healthcare Reform Rally for our Democratic leaders + mayor.The guy talking and calling the Obots commies is who got the footage of Sheila Jackson-Lee on the phone.It takes a minute to get going but it gets funny.There is a second one also. I was there chiding these idiots the whole time….screaming COMMUNISM NOW!

  227. Michelle,

    Now you’re on the right track.

  228. JeffM, 11:31 p.m.

    I agree with your premise, that the argument of a government not upholding the Constitution needs internal consistency.

    However I wonder if a ceiling hasn’t been breached here. There are degrees of transgression. Many arguments have been made that this administration is more monstrous than the last (funny, I kept telling people if you think Bush was bad, just wait).

    Without knowing details it may be a difficult premise to assume that the actions of this administration run parallel to the previous.

  229. Venice,

    What’s in your gut telling you?

  230. w.r.t. to what Val?

  231. venice-I agree he deservedly and finally is getting hit from everywhere. This all should have been handled in the election cycle-the proper place for all this “vetting”. The media was doing THE ONE act. None of the other candidates could get in a word edgewise. They attacked Sarah like a heat seeking missile, and Hillary didn’t do much better. They said Sarah-Republicans spent $150,000.00 on clothes. I’m a girl. She had to come out of Alaska and quickly get prepared for all 50 states, different weather all over the country, multiple events same day, purses, shoes, dresses etc. I wonder how they did it as frugally as they did-Sarah always looked great, she’s a very pretty little girl. I think since it has been all Obama all the time for 2 years now people both parties are just plain sick of him. They insisted he was The Messiah, well just goes to show you how wrong they can be. Way oversold, with no substance to back up anything. I wish the lemon law was applicable here. Understand this it is all the fault of the DNC-I say that as a registered Democrat. This was a very unnatural election cycle due to their attempts to “doctor” it. Jerks it is supposed to be a democracy. The will of the people, not who the DNC or RNC rams down peoples throats.

  232. venice,

    Ask yourself this. How is it that after the blunders 8 years ago that various people in the FBI and CIA were not only not fired for failing to do their jobs, but were actually promoted into newly-created positions in both the CIA and the all-new DHS???

    Doesn’t that strike you as a really bad rub? Regardless of who’s at fault, allowing 3000+ people to be killed and hundreds of billions of dollars stolen due to incompetence should result in immediate termination. Wouldn’t you agree???

    We’ve seen this before time and time again. The mass graft and corruption in the federal government needs to end and end soon or we’re in for a total trainwreck where we’re all victims while the conductor gets promoted with a giant pay raise on our dime.

  233. JeffM-one of the things that I remembered later is one of my girlfriends is from London, England and she was there when the banks failed. I remember her telling me how terrible it was, she said the “brown” people lost all of their money. I think she meant Muslim people who live in England. Since they hit the banking/financial industry I just wonder if it was some kind of payback to somebody on somebody.

  234. Part 2 Health Care Rally in Houston. It’s pretty racy. They go onboard the ACORN bus and get them all in chant-mode.Major taking the piss.

  235. Michelle,

    I’ve heard similar stories about nations losing literally billions after that. The question always remains the same:

    Where is all this money going???

    On 9/11 it was the attacks. Now it’s the bailouts. Where is all this money going? Money never gets “lost”, it merely changes hands.

  236. JeffM,

    Without knowing clearly all the details you know, I will defer to your judgement because the “devil is always in the details”, especially when considering complex systems.

    If there is a point of contrast here, consider the 3 recently charged in England for planning the explosion of 7 carriers while airborne. The Brits are superb with their investigative techniques, but when the stakes are so high, no more than Americans. And no, I don’t think 9/11 sharpened their vigilance.

    I also have this troubling vision (I have great visual memory , for better or for worse) of watching the methodical collapse of the twin towers, seen only with controlled demolitions. I know that point has been investigated and also questioned, but again that image plagues me.

    My experience is that when something plagues me, it’ s usually even bigger than I think.

    Case in point, I have until this election been a largely an apolitical person. Now this monster is bigger than I would ever have imagined.

    So in summary, I concede and take seriously your point.

  237. JeffM-I agree, it somewhat like the Nazi’s stealing all the artwork and peoples valuables in World War2, and storing it in bunkers. Goering was famous for this. I understand in Germany they are still finding hidden Nazi loot. The Rape of Europa was about the stolen art. In the end it is all blood money and that is cursed money.

  238. Thanks Sue for info on northern states.I still think that the statehouse patriots could chase out the Massachusetts libs.

  239. Have you ever tried to make a cell phone call from 30000′ DA? I have. That was my first personally witnessed tip that that part of the official story was questionable. What I can accept is the fact people can make calls on air phones. What I can not accept is anyone making a successful call with personal cell phones.

    ******************************************

    Jeff…In fact I have and it is possible….My husband worked for the airlines as a flight attendant for many years and he says it is most definitely possible to make cell phone calls that high up!! The reason you are asked not to is because of the electronic interference of a cell phone or any other device that might affect the flying of the plane….I’m not buying any of this truther BS….it is best to focus on the FRAUD in our White House and what is going on right NOW…we can’t change the past!!!!

  240. Michelle,

    It’s all about wealth. I wish it were more than that, like healthcare, dictatorship, socialism, terrorism and such, but it really boils down to one simple truth:

    Wealth is Power

  241. Jacqlyn Smith,

    Yes, you can make calls from aircraft, but not at 30,000′. Sorry, the airlines don’t agree with your analysis.

    But I agree. 9/11 is an enormous and daunting task to uncover and that our energy should be focused on the current issues.

  242. #

    JustMe // September 8, 2009 at 11:26 pm

    Jacqlyn Smith,

    there is much discussion about the technological impossibilities of the calls being made…as a courtesy you may want to read it before you shut everyone down here for their posts. Afterall, these are the same folks that agree with you on the BC issue.
    *******************************************

    I have read the theories and I have read the true stories…..let’s see….which one should I believe….I think the true stories……as I said you can believe whatever…..I am in agreement that the government is corrupt….I’m not buying the truther thing however because there is little proof and nothing concrete!! I do believe that Clinton dropped the ball and that Bush didn’t take up the cause soon enough…after all it was the first major attack on our own soil…..people were so naive and now with the FRAUD we are giving back all of the security we once had under Bush!!!

  243. Magna Carta // September 9, 2009 at 12:02 am

    No problem, Magna…it’s weird up here.

    The MA Libs have been entrenched for so long that it’s difficult to get them out and the voters are sheeples. Even with what happened last fall, the ‘people’ voted Bahney Fwank in yet again. When you keep repeating something, should you expect a different outcome?

    Perhaps with the Senate vacancy (oh, woe is me, the Liberal Lion, Ted Kennedy is gone. Sob!) we’ll get someone decent in there to change the complexion of this azz-backwards state. One can hope.

    I just hope that CW is spreading the message throughout VT-we need him up there!

  244. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Bob,

    Thanks, my suspicions were confirmed: Letter sized paper…

    Now we need to find out if Letter sized paper is used in Kenya…

  245. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    I would note that in the Bomford BC controversy, I noticed that the Bomford BC was not letter sized nor A4, but longer; but the Kenyan BC derived from it was letter sized, or seemed to be such…

    Some forgers are amateurs…thankfully….

  246. Just heard back from one of Orly’s Plaintiffs.

    He was totally thrilled with the news when it was sent to him (he was unable to make the trip to CA). He urges Judge Carter to take safety precautions; if the Judge has a ‘heart attack’ that would be foolish on ‘their’ part because that’d point to a total setup. Everyone’s on to their tactics.

    He will be at the trial if it gets that far.

  247. CNN,

    For $100 you can get anything in Kenya, like a Birth Certificate for the Pope. I have no doubt this current BC that surfaced is a fake, just like our usurper in chief.

    It’s really an excellent tool though. I recommended someone challenge Soetoro with his own technique: use a forgery.

  248. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    JeffM,

    Regarding cell phone calls on Airplains….

    Not all those calls were made form 30,ooo ft on 9/11, so maybe that is why they got through…

    Also someone in the flight deck might have turned off those systems that would interfere with cell phone calls, without the highjackers knowing it, to allow calls to go through…

    The South,

    Regarding the hit on the DoD building, most plains do make big splashes, because they hit tangentially; the hit onthe Dod was caught on film by a camera nearby, it was on TV some years ago…

    That hit was nearly parallel to the ground, the plan litterally came in feet above the ground parallel to the building…the resulting impact was entirely inside the building, with the heavy stone facade absorbing most of the momentum…a plan moving that fast that low that parallel is hard to observe up close, it comes by like a woosh, somethign like a high speed commuter train does, on a commuter line train station; you can’t see it comming…or going…

  249. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    JeffM,

    I agree, its discovery that is important, not the Kenyan BCs…whether fake or real they’ll lead to the truth, if Carter grants the motions for rogatory discovery…

  250. Jacqlyn Smith

    Our security was greatly compromised under Bush. Don’t know how you concluded that.

    Your posts indicate you’ve spent untold hours on the birth certificate/natural born citizen issue. You’re very well versed. If you had spent the same amount of time on the 9/11 issue you would perhaps be where some of the rest of us are on 9/11.

    Dismissing us as, and comparing us to, the FRAUD (your words) and his cronies was uncalled for. I don’t believe this site is solely dedicated to the BC issue.

    9/11 was pivotal in bringing in the New World Order. Bush simply passed the baton to Obama.

  251. Perphaps to respond to Val.

    At the beginning of the primaries I had two burning questions I wanted answered (which is why I’m still here).

    Who is this extraordinarily noncredible candidated named Barack Obama and why would the powers behind him choose such an inadequate specimen as their frontman, when surely there were many others to consider?

    The first didn’t take long to answer. I’m still working on the second. I have to wonder if they finally realize the folly of their choice.

  252. #

    JeffM // September 9, 2009 at 12:11 am

    Jacqlyn Smith,

    Yes, you can make calls from aircraft, but not at 30,000′. Sorry, the airlines don’t agree with your analysis.

    But I agree. 9/11 is an enormous and daunting task to uncover and that our energy should be focused on the current issues.
    *******************************************
    Jeff…At least we agree on one thing….the cell phone thing is not true though so you won’t get me to agree on that one…..My husband’s family are all AirForce and he was with the Airlines for 20 years as I stated…..I think he knows what he is talking about…..further more you keep saying 30,000 ft. How do you know how high they were up when they were making the phone calls……you weren’t there no one alive can confirm that number…another theory….I don’t think they were high up at all since they went nose first into the ground at a high rate of speed leaving a huge crater!!

  253. #

    JustMe // September 9, 2009 at 12:26 am

    Jacqlyn Smith

    Our security was greatly compromised under Bush. Don’t know how you concluded that.

    Your posts indicate you’ve spent untold hours on the birth certificate/natural born citizen issue. You’re very well versed. If you had spent the same amount of time on the 9/11 issue you would perhaps be where some of the rest of us are on 9/11.

    Dismissing us as, and comparing us to, the FRAUD (your words) and his cronies was uncalled for. I don’t believe this site is solely dedicated to the BC issue.

    9/11 was pivotal in bringing in the New World Order. Bush simply passed the baton to Obama.
    ****************************************

    Maybe you didn’t read what I said…..you can believe in any conspiracy you want…I’m not buying it as I believe the true stories by real victims who told what was happening on the airplanes to their loved ones….I’m sure I have read and seen as much about 9/11 as the rest of you as my husband worked with US Airways at this time…..they were told a lot then. You are dismissing me like I don’t know what I believe….I know what I have read and seen….just like you….if anyone is dismissive it is you!!!

  254. CNN,

    Perhaps you are right regarding the calls. But I’ve read the transcripts in the official story and they are questionable at best.

    Regardless, we can simple forego the obvious mysteries and go to interesting facts like:

    1. The CIA had tapped apartments on the alleged hijackers years prior to the attacks.
    2. Taliban Foreign Minister Wakil Ahmed Muttawakil warned the U.S. and U.N. of imminent attacks, but was ignored (guess you didn’t hear about this one, did you…)
    3. The CIA is warned by the Egyption Government in July of 20 operatives and their plan, but the CIA was “not interested”

    We could go on and on about this but the “we didn’t know about the attack” excuse was debunked years ago.

  255. #

    Civis Naturaliter Natus // September 9, 2009 at 12:21 am

    JeffM,

    Regarding cell phone calls on Airplains….

    Not all those calls were made form 30,ooo ft on 9/11, so maybe that is why they got through…

    Also someone in the flight deck might have turned off those systems that would interfere with cell phone calls, without the highjackers knowing it, to allow calls to go through…

    The South,

    Regarding the hit on the DoD building, most plains do make big splashes, because they hit tangentially; the hit onthe Dod was caught on film by a camera nearby, it was on TV some years ago…

    That hit was nearly parallel to the ground, the plan litterally came in feet above the ground parallel to the building…the resulting impact was entirely inside the building, with the heavy stone facade absorbing most of the momentum…a plan moving that fast that low that parallel is hard to observe up close, it comes by like a woosh, somethign like a high speed commuter train does, on a commuter line train station; you can’t see it comming…or going…
    ********************************************

    CNN… Nice try but I think they both have their minds made up without reading the true stories of what went on in the airplanes!!

  256. Jacqlyn,

    I’m curious, what is the gist of the stories that went on in the airplane?

  257. Still, no one has answered my question: How does a Boeing aircraft the size of a…

    ****** Football Field

    Leave a hole in the ground, the size of a…

    ****** One car garage?

    Oh yeah, and no ( I repeat NO ) airplane parts at the scene of the “supposed” crash site.

    That’s like dropping a bowling ball in a sand box, and it leaving a hole the size of a black eyed pea.

    Someone, please explain to me how this is physically possible?

    How do you drop something the size of a football field, and it leaves a hole the size of a piano?

    I guess when you live in a fairy tale world, anything is possible.

    Insanity!

  258. Jacqlyn Smith,

    I have read:

    1. All 6000+ events in the 9/11 timeline
    2. The 9/11 Commission Official Report cover to cover (twice)
    3. The NIST 9/11 Final Report cover to cover

    Where are you getting your information from?

  259. We could go on and on about this but the “we didn’t know about the attack” excuse was debunked years ago.

    ********************************************
    Jeff…When was this debunked….I thought that is why the 9/11 truthers got a petition going to try and prove it??? Did they ever prove it???

    In my research and reading about 9/11 I believe we were still a very naive nation…..most people believed these attacks only happened in foreign countries of unrest and political oppression…I think the communication between the various agencies was so bad that the left hand never knew what the right hand was doing and vice versa….I know for a fact that the Transportation Department was quite naive…..it was after 9/11 that they clamped down some with the security at airports…..if you ask me though….I don’t think it is enough….I am waiting for the next major attack where they just blow up the entrance of the airport or ticket counters with at dirty bomb of some sort! In Vegas no one checks your bags as you enter the airport….only after you check them in…..this is very naive to say the least…..I hate flying anymore….we used to do it on a regular basis because my husband had free flight benefits….I am kind of glad he doesn’t anymore….now I don’t have to fly!!

  260. JeffM.

    You’re beating a dead horse my friend.

    Some people see space ships when you show them pictures of telephones.

    It’s a shame, a damn shame I tell ya.

  261. @ The South:

    We don’t know what really happened, however, if we think rationaly, they weren’t flying at reduced speed. Some passengers which I call “Heroes” tried to take control of the plane back. There was a fight in the cockpit, and I’m quite certain that there weren’t flying at reduced speed at all.

    Now check this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3Mz_zGJmgc

    I know it’s weird to think that there was just a small hole, but you need to think like this: If on 9/12/01 I would have said to you that in 8 years, we’ll have a new president who will, among destroy this country, sympathize with terrorists, who’ll have a shady past, who’s not qualified, who’s not clear about his religion (even though there are facts out there that he was thought Islam when he was a kid), etc… you would have thought that I was crazy.

  262. I forgot to add; Those planes should have left holes….

    ***** Twice the size of Football fields

    Because they “supposedly” hit the ground at an angle.

    Tell me again: How does something that should have left a hole the size of “2” Football fields,

    leave a hole the size of a piano?

    This is a physics equation I can’t wait to see :)

  263. Remember, the plane had just taken off, carrying a lot of fuel + the speed they were flying. If you check that video, the jet speed was at 500 Mph. The wall doesn’t even move.

  264. Jacqlyn Smith // September 9, 2009 at 1:02 am

    Yes. The timeline proves it hands down. And the timeline cites mainstream media and government sources. Please refer to the following:

    http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&warning_signs:_specific_cases

    They knew it was coming. There simply is no excuse, unless over a dozen nations were simply lying about notifying the U.S. of imminent attack. Did they know who would be involved? YES! Did they know when it was going to happen? Who cares. The bottom line is they knew the criminals were going to attack, yet did almost nothing to trace their movement within the U.S. That’s what we know from the “official” sources.

    What we don’t know is if they knew the exact date and time. But, just like Pearl Harbor, our “beloved” government knew it was coming but decided, for whatever reason, to choose inaction over action.

  265. Zeehopper.

    I’d sure like to see the “end” of that video. You know, after the dust cleared.

    I guess they conveniently left that part out.

  266. #

    JeffM // September 9, 2009 at 12:59 am

    Jacqlyn Smith,

    I have read:

    1. All 6000+ events in the 9/11 timeline
    2. The 9/11 Commission Official Report cover to cover (twice)
    3. The NIST 9/11 Final Report cover to cover

    Where are you getting your information from?
    *******************************************
    It has been a while but I have read some of the same reports you mention here but I have also read some of the books written by the victims families…..there is a lot of good information and stories at firehouse.com too. I haven’t study the documents you mention here as closely as you probably but I have read enough magazines and internet researches in the past to form my opinion….none of which made me buy into the truther thing…..if you buy the conspiracy then that is what you believe….for me…the ideas are not concrete when many things have been written to contradict the truther theories.

  267. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    The South,

    You are exaggerating…

    When a plane, which is actually very light and insubstantially strong (it has to be thus to fly) hits dirt, and when it hits granit blocks 3 ft thick, different things happen, its part of material sciences…

    When light things hit malleable things, you get impact craters: try dropping a cherry tomato in a pile of flour…

    When light things hit non-malleable things, you don’t get impact craters: try dropping a wad of chewing gum on a tiled floor….

    Elementary, my dear Watson!

    ————–

    As for doing nothing about it, Clinton filled DC with incompetents, and it is very easy to sit in your armchairs in 2009 and said they should have seen it comming; in intelligence work you get 10,000 false alarms every year, so with every tragedy you can always find the alarms beforhand and never quite figure out why they were not heard among the din of the 9,900 other fake ones…

  268. The South,

    Physics is a funny thing. I can say I don’t have any really confirmation regarding the evidence found at the Pentagon, so I usually leave that argument to others.

    Here’s what I know about the buildings in NYC:

    1. NIST themselves couldn’t prove their own “pancake theory” regarding WTC I and WTC II.
    2. NIST themselves couldn’t explain the unusual deposits on various structural steel in WTC7 and recommended further investigation, not ruling out the possibility of explosives.

    Now, that’s pretty bad when the government spent tens of millions of dollars trying to prove how and what caused the buildings fell but yet mysteriously can’t get their theories to work. Then they magically cut the research off due to “budget constraints” (what could be more important than discovering the truth about the worst attack on U.S. soil???)

    That’s pathetic. And that’s why no one should ever trust the “official” explanation or the government to do anything right.

  269. Civis Naturaliter Natus
  270. CNN.

    Hogwash!

  271. CNN said:

    “As for doing nothing about it, Clinton filled DC with incompetents, and it is very easy to sit in your armchairs in 2009 and said they should have seen it comming; in intelligence work you get 10,000 false alarms every year, so with every tragedy you can always find the alarms beforhand and never quite figure out why they were not heard among the din of the 9,900 other fake ones…”

    That’s a lame excuse. If the government can’t track these threats they aren’t spending our dollars properly. But alas, they were tracking these threats and doing a decent job at it.

    But we all let it slide instead of demanding answers to the incompetancy like we are doing with this government regime now. Why is that?

  272. I’m going to bed.

    Will catch up on the insanity in the morning.

    Goodnight all!

  273. CNN.

    This is what happens when a plane hits the ground my friend.

    It’s elementary Dear Watson, it’s elementary!

  274. Civis Naturaliter Natus // September 9, 2009 at 1:23 am

    Thanks for the update. I’m not sure what’s going on over there but it sounds like a stall tactic to keep the Patriots at bay for another 5 months.

  275. #

    JeffM // September 9, 2009 at 1:13 am

    Jacqlyn Smith // September 9, 2009 at 1:02 am

    Yes. The timeline proves it hands down. And the timeline cites mainstream media and government sources. Please refer to the following:

    http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&warning_signs:_specific_cases

    They knew it was coming. There simply is no excuse, unless over a dozen nations were simply lying about notifying the U.S. of imminent attack. Did they know who would be involved? YES! Did they know when it was going to happen? Who cares. The bottom line is they knew the criminals were going to attack, yet did almost nothing to trace their movement within the U.S. That’s what we know from the “official” sources.

    What we don’t know is if they knew the exact date and time. But, just like Pearl Harbor, our “beloved” government knew it was coming but decided, for whatever reason, to choose inaction over action.
    ******************************************

    Jeff…You still haven’t convinced me with the time-line….MSM as we all know is corrupt….I wouldn’t believe them….all these official documents would have to be sworn in a court of law and evidence shown…..you can’t just say because someone wrote about it and theorized it that it is true…..I am not convinced….I believe there was chattered and our government and our intelligence was asleep at the wheel……just like we Americans have been for several years…..we let an illegal get elected as POTUS and so far no one can prove it and people are still supporting him….go figure….anything is possible. Our National Security is in grave danger with the USURPER in office…..if we get attacked again on his watch then I believe our government is at fault now because the sleeping giant is awake and has been warning them for months!

  276. Please dear people, may I make a humble request? Can we try to cut back on the OT’s and the “personal chat”?

    Many of us value this blog for it’s focus and insight into the eligibility and document problems with Mr. O’Zero. And not just CW, but many of the frequent commenters provide useful insight.

    But 2-300 comments is an awful lot to wade through – especially when they don’t illuminate the problem at hand.

    Thank you for your consideration.

  277. #

    The South // September 9, 2009 at 1:07 am

    I forgot to add; Those planes should have left holes….

    ***** Twice the size of Football fields

    Because they “supposedly” hit the ground at an angle.

    Tell me again: How does something that should have left a hole the size of “2″ Football fields,

    leave a hole the size of a piano?

    This is a physics equation I can’t wait to see :)
    ————————————————————

    Maybe the Lord had a hand in it and made the hole that way…..who knows…..no one knows for sure because we weren’t there and neither were these conspirators.

  278. Jacqlyn Smith // September 9, 2009 at 1:20 am

    You make a fair analysis on many “truther” movements. They tend to do a one-sided scientific approach to the crime. What they fail to do is look at the overall web of “terrorist activity” and how it all interweaves together.

    There are only certain truths to this crime of the century:

    1. The government couldn’t prove their own scientific theories
    2. The government knew it was coming but failed to act
    3. The government used this crime as a reason to deploy hundreds of thousands of troops overseas on a “war” against an ideology instead of an enemy

    That should sound off the bells in our heads that the rubic’s cube of truth is missing a few squares.

  279. #

    The South // September 9, 2009 at 1:02 am

    JeffM.

    You’re beating a dead horse my friend.

    Some people see space ships when you show them pictures of telephones.

    It’s a shame, a damn shame I tell ya.
    *******************************************

    If you are speaking of me and CNN…then we could view your thinking the same way…after all..aren’t you a birther too!!

  280. Carlyle // September 9, 2009 at 1:31 am

    We understand. But please understand that 9/11 is the day after tomorrow, so expect some discussion over it.

  281. I would just say, to prove or disprove 9/11 claims would require first the removal of Obama, then sweeping the congress and Senate out. Once an established objective group is in place, the federal reserve can be shut down. Once the elite are in check, then these 9/11 questions may see some light. I don’t stand on one side or the other cause I find myself still on step 1. Lets get this done and stay focused, answers will come in time. Agree to disagree, its fun though =)

    OU

  282. #

    venice // September 9, 2009 at 12:42 am

    Jacqlyn,

    I’m curious, what is the gist of the stories that went on in the airplane?
    *******************************************

    The truth is that real live terrorist took control of some of our US planes and some of the citizens fought back by trying to take over the plane before they could crash into any more buildings killing more Americans…..several of them alerted family members before and during the happenings….read some of the stories written by family members. This was planned by the terrorists…..not by our government! However the last statement is my belief….I am not a TRUTHER like the Jones brothers!!

  283. OriginUnknown,

    I agree with you on that. The government always seems to be in the middle of these fiascos. And that’s what we need to focus our energies on:

    Getting the cancer removed

    We do that and everything else will fall into place.

  284. Terror is a tactic, not an enemy! Stand your ground, JeffM!

  285. And the government used this to take away many of our liberties in the name of security.

  286. That’s a lame excuse. If the government can’t track these threats they aren’t spending our dollars properly. But alas, they were tracking these threats and doing a decent job at it.

    But we all let it slide instead of demanding answers to the incompetancy like we are doing with this government regime now. Why is that?

    *****************************************

    Jeff…I think we are all in agreement here that our government is incompetent……thus very difficult to pull off the truther conspiracy if they are as incompetent as we all believe…..maybe the better word is CORRUPT!

  287. Kim,

    We can only fight battles against enemies we know. Right now our worst adversary is the federal government. Birther or truther or whatever anyone is called, the fact remains. It’s time to clean house and revitalize our nation’s wealth, prosperity, and Constitution.

    Justice will be done against all those who have stripped away our rights, our heritage, and most importantly, our future. Terrible crimes are being waged against the people of the U.S. That’s why we all feel violated.

    On that note, Sotomayor takes the SCROTUS seat:

    http://apnews.myway.com/article/20090909/D9AJIT880.html

    Mr. Roberts is not going to be smiling when he gets his can kicked from his seat after it’s discovered he failed to uphold his oath.

  288. #

    JeffM // September 9, 2009 at 1:36 am

    Jacqlyn Smith // September 9, 2009 at 1:20 am

    You make a fair analysis on many “truther” movements. They tend to do a one-sided scientific approach to the crime. What they fail to do is look at the overall web of “terrorist activity” and how it all interweaves together.

    There are only certain truths to this crime of the century:

    1. The government couldn’t prove their own scientific theories
    2. The government knew it was coming but failed to act
    3. The government used this crime as a reason to deploy hundreds of thousands of troops overseas on a “war” against an ideology instead of an enemy

    That should sound off the bells in our heads that the rubic’s cube of truth is missing a few squares.
    *******************************************

    Jeff—I don’t agree with your 3 certain truths at all but that is my opinion….I haven’t seen any proof that is beyond a reasonable doubt that verifies what you say here as true…..I’m not easily convinced…..I guess that is why I haven’t bought any of the FRAUD’s BS!!

  289. #

    OriginUnknown // September 9, 2009 at 1:43 am

    I would just say, to prove or disprove 9/11 claims would require first the removal of Obama, then sweeping the congress and Senate out. Once an established objective group is in place, the federal reserve can be shut down. Once the elite are in check, then these 9/11 questions may see some light. I don’t stand on one side or the other cause I find myself still on step 1. Lets get this done and stay focused, answers will come in time. Agree to disagree, its fun though =)

    OU
    *****************************************

    OU…Good idea!!

  290. #

    Kim // September 9, 2009 at 1:54 am

    And the government used this to take away many of our liberties in the name of security.
    *****************************************

    Kim…I agree the government has slowly but surely taken away our liberties but I don’t think this particular event was the start of it…..It has been going on far longer than before 9/11!!

  291. #

    JeffM // September 9, 2009 at 2:06 am

    Kim,

    We can only fight battles against enemies we know. Right now our worst adversary is the federal government. Birther or truther or whatever anyone is called, the fact remains. It’s time to clean house and revitalize our nation’s wealth, prosperity, and Constitution.

    Justice will be done against all those who have stripped away our rights, our heritage, and most importantly, our future. Terrible crimes are being waged against the people of the U.S. That’s why we all feel violated.

    On that note, Sotomayor takes the SCROTUS seat:

    http://apnews.myway.com/article/20090909/D9AJIT880.html

    Mr. Roberts is not going to be smiling when he gets his can kicked from his seat after it’s discovered he failed to uphold his oath.
    ******************************************

    Jeff—And don’t forget…..Sotomayor appointment should be made null and void as well!!

  292. JeffM // September 9, 2009 at 2:06 am

    Kim,

    We can only fight battles against enemies we know. Right now our worst adversary is the federal government. Birther or truther or whatever anyone is called, the fact remains. It’s time to clean house and revitalize our nation’s wealth, prosperity, and Constitution.

    *****************************************

    Jeff—I believe the real enemy is not only the government but also the ignorance and apathy of many of our citizens……some are still going about their business here like nothing is going on ……just like before 9/11……Lot’s of people still have on their rose colored glasses that we are this great power and nothing will ever topple the USA….we all know better because we have educated ourselves and have gotten involved….I was one of those apathetic people a few years back….but not anymore….9/11 is actually what jolted me to reality.

  293. TO:
    Civis Naturaliter Natus // September 8, 2009 at 9:05 pm

    RE: Orly Case….

    If it is true, that on Oct 5, if Carter tosses the motion to dismiss, and allows discovery, what will happen?

    If that means that Orly will get subpoena powers to get the documents requested, then a lot more is going to happen politically between Oct and Jan, than merely preparation for the trial.

    Because we will find out if there is any motive for Obama to be hiding the information…

    If it is found out that he used other passports to get student aide at Occidental, Columbia or Harvard…then politically you’ll see his number drop precipitously…

    If not, his numbers will rise, as his opponents claim he was maligned and they will try to sweep the NBC issue under the rug…

    Personally, I see no reason for Carter to schedule a trial in Jan., the case is too important, and believe that the country is being cleverly manipulated through the courts to keep waiting for lawyers to save us, and thus give time for Obama to put everything in place to sieze total power.

    In all, I believe the results are dim and bad…

    Carter, as someone said, was appointed by Clinton: anyone with a drop of common sense does not put a case of usurpation on hold for 4 months, while the usurper can do more evil ….

    Carter seems to me just a very slick operative: and I predict in the end he will not rule on the NBC issue…leaving Zero in power…

    ====================

    Just sent this to Dr. Taitz:

    Congrats on your progress today in Santa Ana.

    I just thought of this which you may have thought of as well.

    I wonder if there could be an emergency STAY ORDER acquired from the Courts to FREEEZE BO and Pelosi etc al, until this is cleared up by the court. This would protect We The People and the Nation from having any more harm done until the case is decided. Would this harm the case’s chances or enhance them? If BO’s Administration and all his appointees were by emergency order forced to Seize and Desist All actions it would also limit the Dept of Justice from defending BO and aiding and abetting on his Alleged FRAUD.

    This would have to be analyzed carefully, most important is not to jeopardize the progress already made BUT at the same time limit any more damage to the country and We The People.

    May God be beside you and yours.

  294. Oh boy. I can’t wait for the Muslim House…

    http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/09/islam-on-capital-hill-.html

    September 25th, National Prayer Day – Leader of “Islam on Capitol Hill” said: “The White House Will Become the Muslim House,” America is “Controlled by the Jews”

    The closet muslim appears to be coming out of the closet…

  295. 9/11 Truth or Dare.

    Where there is smoke there is fire.

    I am cautious by nature an try not to jump to conclusions BUT some things in this issue don;t seem to add up one way or the other.
    A lot of these secondary explosions could happen by natural gas in the bldg and other explosive materials. Even electric transformer can do good size explosations.

    The thing that puzzles me most is the “Plumber” that should have been totally investigated. No, not Joe the Plumber but the Muslim Plumber that was in the WTC the day before and they found him out of state. Supposedly he was doing work in the spinkler system. Did the sprinklers go off? Or was he setting Bombs like Obama’s Terrorist buddies Bill Ayers and the other one in his Administration from Wheather Underground?

    There are too many unanswered and unmentioned issues that make this 9/11 Conspiracy keep smoking……is it blowing smoke in some people’s eyes or making others reflect the mirrors?

    Just remember there are those that their job is to do no harm, who will do harm thinking it’ll prevent a greater harm. There are also those that are pure evil and will kill and destroy as you ro I would kill a fly.

    Keep in eye on Communist wing of the CIA I would say. They have made it all the way to the White House which would be unimaginable just a few yrs ago.

  296. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    The South,

    I had a long talk about 9/11 with my, now late, father, who was a professional scientist with training in material science among other fields, and am pretty convinced that all the evidence is consistent with 2 plains taking down the 2 towers, and the resulting shock waves taking town building 7.

    I base this solely on scientific principles.

    You seem to have doctrinal objections which are a priori to scientific evidence…

    But I will admit this much: it is an entirely other question, whether the preparations for the attack were known and ignored and whether the resulting crisis was used or exploited…

    At the beginning of the Bush era we had 9/11, and at the end we had the 9/11 financial collapse which put Barry in office…

    These two incidents alone could get a mountain of folks charging conspiracy…

    I look at the bigger picture, the NWO infiltration of our government and their agenda…

    Whether these 2 incidents were planned or ignored or arranged makes little difference, as the NWO is exploiting them for their agenda…we need to do the opposite for freedom and liberty…

  297. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    JJ,

    The gold in the building was there as part of a commodity trading company escrow holdings for its customers; it melted in the disaster, but was recovered; saw several reports about it, even pictures of the 900 armour cars that removed it…the insurance company payed out, but recoved what was left….

  298. Why is everyone hiding??? I am tired of games. Just stand up for the truth!!

    Check out this GOP Rep Schmidt getting caught secretly admitting to a constituient that she is a birther.

    http://www.breitbart.tv/gop-congresswoman-caught-on-video-telling-birther-i-agree-with-you/

  299. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    CW,

    The wordrpress previews option on your blog, is one of the most annoying contrivances ever invented, as it prevents direct clicks to the link and insists showing the preview, not can I figure out how to turn it off…

  300. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=7194&cpage=1#comment-21874

    Here is says that Orly is inviting as many amicus briefs as possible, arguing against the Motion to Dismiss….

    Resident attorneys, here is your chance to show your patriotism….

  301. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Here is a link to the Motion to Dismiss in Barnet vs. Obama

    http://www.politico.com/static/PPM124_birthersdismissbrf.html

  302. On the eve of the 8th anniversary of 9/11. A homework assignment for those inclinded with the courage to do so…

    Rethinking the Good War

    Norman Dodd On Tax Exempt Foundations
    video transcript

    The Coincidence Theorist’s Guide to 9/11

    9/11 – The Basic Questions

    9-11 EIGHTH ANNIVERSARY: 20 Questions

    Loose Change Final Cut

    “Prophecy of the Popes” by St. Malachy MSM companion piece The Antichrist and the Papacy

    The Lost Symbol Found And The Final Mystery Of The Great Seal [Dan Brown is clueless to this fact]

    What is provided here, is essential “meat.” However, we are only chipping at the tip of the iceberg. I haven’t even mentioned Bill Cooper yet…

    Dear People, I am a Ealge Scout and a U.S. Marine veteran. My specialties in the military were communications, intelligence and counter-intelligence holding a top secret clearance. My two American heros. less most of the founding fathers, are Generals Smedley D. Butler, and David M. Shoup. Get to know these two guys, and why they are significant in American history.

    Please believe me, when I state emphatically, that ALL of the information that I present above is related to each other, in order to form a nexus of understanding. Pray to your God before you delve into this info. Pray while you are examining the info. Pray while digesting this info. And, then pray some more for wisdom on how to react to this info. I believe we are entering unprecedented times since “the days of Noah.”

  303. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    While FaceBook, Google, YouTube spend time censoring anti-obama sites, social networking sites such as these in the USA are homes to over 100 paedophile networks, and 15 THOUSAND paedophiles…

    http://www.zenit.org/article-26770?l=english

    Uncovered by Father Di Noto, of Avola, Sicily…

    ———–

    My advice is keep your kids away from social networking sites…

  304. On the eve of the 8th anniversary of 9/11, everyone needs to view the following…

    Loose Change Final Cut

    After several revisions, and oversight from some true scholars, I believe these guys have finally got it right. At least, in asking the right questions…

  305. http://www.salon.com/opinion/paglia/2009/09/09/healthcare/

    An authentic intellectual from the left damns the pseudointellectuals of our times.

  306. Count these as historical “background” supplemental material (reference) from some quite authoritative sources…

    Rethinking the Good War

    Norman Dodd On Tax Exempt Foundations
    video transcript

    In conjunction with these, please google/bing Generals Smedley D. Butler, and David M. Shoup.

  307. Finally, after digesting the above, (or at least attempting to), these are for only the very brave. It will take courage to delve into the following. I only implore, that everyone at least try to have an open mind in reviewing this. Eventually, ALL will have to come to terms with this…

    “Prophecy of the Popes” by St. Malachy [MSM companion piece] The Antichrist and the Papacy

    The Lost Symbol Found And The Final Mystery Of The Great Seal [Dan Brown is clueless to this fact]

  308. What is provided here (above), is essential “meat.” However, we are only chipping at the tip of the iceberg. I haven’t even mentioned Bill Cooper yet…

    Dear People, I am a Eagle Scout and a U.S. Marine veteran. My specialties in the military were communications, intelligence and counter-intelligence holding a top secret clearance. My two American heroes. less most of the founding fathers, are Generals Smedley D. Butler, and David M. Shoup. Get to know these two guys, and why they are significant in American history.

    Please believe me, when I state emphatically, that ALL of the information that I present above is related to each other, in order to form a nexus of understanding. Pray to your God before you delve into this info. Pray while you are examining the info. Pray while digesting this info. And, then pray some more for wisdom on how to react to this info. I believe we are entering unprecedented times since “the days of Noah.”

  309. Good morning,

    I see there were a lot of busy bees posting through out the night.

    While I respect everyone’s opinion on 9-11, and I understand that with the 8th anniversary just days away, that the topic is out there.

    But I also worry that this is taking us off topic – the current issues – and that is one of their strategies – distraction!

    With all that’s going on in this country right now … I do worry that we can be attacked again, and this time I would believe it would come from within.

    All due respect to those who voice their beliefs, opinions, etc… right now we need to continue to work on the current issues … getting the usurper out of the WH.

    After reading all the comments on this thread about 9-11, I will admit, I would be open to reading and learning more. I argued with my son over this topic last year to the point we just couldn’t discuss it. The last thing any American would want to think, is that our Government would allow us to be attacked. I do appreciate someones ( I believe JeffM )comment above that said maybe Bush, etc… didn’t know. Maybe it was foreign banking, etc… I would be more open to that than to think our Government would do this.

    BUT, I strongly believe we need to stay on topic … current issues.

    Again, as JeffM pointed out, with the anniversary of this tragic, tragic event … it is being discussed. But please … let’s not lose focus and please … let’s not argue too much! This has always been a peaceful and insightful place to visit. Let’s not turn on each other over opposing opinions.

    If anyone wants to go back to yesterday’s thread, you will see some of our most respected posters here were extremely offended … Oldsalt77. I have read his comments with great respect. He has served his country well. Please keep this in mind. :)

  310. ***** NEW POST *****

  311. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Jcd,

    You can take your 16th century Anti-Catholic bigotry and stuff it for all I care…

    To say that the Successor of St. Peter, which office was instituted by the historic Christ, could fall to the AntiChrist, is an outrageous blasphemy against the Incarnate and Risen Word!

    Enough said, about who’s advocating for the Devil…

  312. The South……………………………………………

    Have you ever been at the site of an accident involving a large aircraft?The impact dynamics aren’t exactly what you might think. In the old days piston engine birds such as the EC110 Lockheed(Constellation),the Douglas DC 6B were pretty much the workhorses of the industry for long haul high altitude flight. There were a number of unfortunate accidents with both aircraft. Typically,the impact dynamics of the old birds was such that they created a much larger area of surface depression, owing to the 4 piston engines which were two row each having 9 cylinders each for a total of 18 cylinders. These engines weighed over 3000 pounds each with cowlings,and propellers mounted. This weight by itself amounts to six tons of the gross weight of the aircraft. Then consider the weight of over 170 people on board which accounts for another approx, 13 tons,baggage another 1 ton, fuel on board,hard to calculate bit capacity eould amount 1-5tons. Then the weight of the airframe, approx. 15 tons. This accounts for a gross weight of approximately 38 tons. Now lets add an airspeed of an out of control straight down plunge of this 38 ton bird, which if having started from about 18,000 feet would probably reach a velocity in excess of 400 MPH. A 38 ton deadweight at 400MPH creates an impact dynamic force of 15,200 tons this is the actual force exerted upon an approximate 2500 square foot patch of earth. YES INDEED IT IS GOING TO CREATE A FAIRLY LARGE CRATER. iN THE CASE OF THE OLDER BIRDS THERE WAS SOMETIMES A FEW LARGER PIECES LEFT OVER. THIS IS BECAUSE THE FORCE DYNAMICS GENERATED DID NOT ACT UPON THOSE PARTICULAR PIECES IN EXACTLY THE SAME WAY AS IT DID UPON THE MAIN FRONTAL AREAS OF THE AIRCRAFT, AT THE MOMENT OF IMPACT. THE RESULTING COMBINATION OF FUEL EXPLOSION.(GASOLINE THEN) COMBINED WITH OUTWARD, AND UPWARD EXPLOSIVE AIR MOVEMENT, THE GOUGING,AND CRUSHING OF THE AIRFRAME COLLECTIVELY PRODUCES A CRATER PER SE.
    IN THE INSTANCE OF A 757 THE ENGINES ARE SIGNIFICANTLY LIGHTER THAN PISTON ENGINES, AND OCCUPY A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT POSITION WITH RESPECT TO THE WING OF THE AIRCRAFT,YET EACH WILL NONETHELESS GENERATE SEVERE IMPACT FORCES. iN THE CASE OF FLIGHT 93 WHICH IS THOUGHT TO HAVE IMPACTED THE GROUND INVERTED, AND AT AN AIRSPEED IN EXCESS OF 500 mph. IT WOULD HAVE GENERATED NEARLY EXACTLY THE GOUGE WE SEE LEADING TO A SUBSTANTIAL CRATER. THE CRATER MIGHT HAVE BEEN SOMEWHAT SMALLER BECAUSE THE DESCENT TRAJECTORY WAS NOT PERPENDICULAR TO THE EARTH, RATHER AT A RELATIVE ANGLE TO THE EARTH. THIS SORT OF IMPACT SUBSTANTIALLY REDUCES THE IMPACT FORCES, BUT BECAUSE OF BEING AT AN ANGLE TO THE EARTH LITERALLY GUARANTEES TOTAL DESTRUCTION OF THE BIRD. lN THE FEW MICROSECONDS OF IMPACT FORCE, COMBINED WITH THE EXPLOSIVE FORCES OF ON BOARD FUEL, THE AIRCRAFT WOULD BE LITERALLY PULVERIZED AS THOUGH IT HAD BEEN DROPPED INTO A GIANT SHREDDER. THAT IS THE WAY IMPACT FORCES BEHAVE. THESE FORCES VARY FROM ACCIDENT TO ACCIDENT, BUT ACCIDENTS INVOLVING SUCH AIRCRAFT AS LARGE PASSENGER JETS IT IS REASONABLE TO EXPECT COMPLETE DESTRUCTION OF THEM. YET IN MANY ACCIDENTS THERE IS SOMETIMES LARGE PORTIONS OF THE AIRCRAFT ARE LEFT INTACT. AGAIN THIS GOES DIRECTLY TO THE SPECIFIC FORCES GENERATED BY THE PARTICULAR CIRCUMSTANCES INVOLVED.
    REGARDING THE 757 THAT WAS FLOWN INTO THE PENTAGON, I HAVE TO ARGUE THAT YOU MUST FIRST UNDERSTAND HOW THAT BUILDING WAS DESIGNED, AND BUILT. THIS WAS UNIQUE IN DESIGN. IT IS ACTUALLY SEVERAL ROWS OF SOLIDLY BUILT BUILDINGS WITHIN,AND BEHIND EACH ROW. THAT IS THE PRIMARY REASON WHY THE PLANE DID NOT PENRTRATE COMPLETELY THROUGH TO THE COURTYARD ON THE INSIDE EVEN THOUGH THE AIRCRAFT IS THOUGHT TO HAVE STRUCK THE BUILDING AT OVER 500MPH. AT SUCH AIRSPEED, COMBINED WITH A VERY HARD AND WELL CONSTRUCTED BUILDING, (WHICH WAS BY THE WAY DESIGNED WITH SUCH A POSSIBILITY IN MIND). IT IS CONCIEVABLE THAT LITTLE TO NOTHING WOULD REMAIN OF THE AIRCRAFT. I WOULD VENTURE TO GUESS THAT THE GREATER DAMAGE TO THE PENTAGON WAS RESULTANT OF THE ON BOARD FUEL EXPLOSION, AND SUBSEQUENT FIRE. I AM SURE THAT THE VELOCITY OF THE AIRCRAFT,COMBINED WITH IT’S FULLY LOADED WEIGHT WOULD HAVE GENERATED MASSIVE DESTRUCTION TO ANY OTHER BUILDING. BUT BECAUSE THE PENTAGON WAS DESIGNED WITH SUCH A POSSIBILITY IN MIND THE OVERALL RESULT WAS LESSER PHYSICAL DESTRUCTION,INCLUDING A LESSER HOLE SO TO SPEAK. WHILE EVERYONE HAS THEIR OWN THEORIES,AND BELIEFS WHICH I RESPECT, I SIMPLY DISAGREE WITH YOU REGARDING SUCH A CONSPIRACY. I DON’T KNOW IF EITHER YOU OR jEFFM HAVE BEEN IN OUR MILITARY SERVICES. YOU LEARN CERTAIN THINGS ABOUT THE MILITARY, AND OFTEN IT’S VARIOUS CIVILIAN COUNTERPARTS WHICH TOTALLY CONTRADICTS CONSPIRACY THEORIES. THIS KNOWLEDGE TELLS ME THAT THERE WAS INDEED A CONSPIRACY, BUT NOT ONE PERPETRATED BY U.S., OR ALLEGED SHADOW INTERESTS. IT WAS PLANNED AND EXECUTED BY ALQUADA.

  313. jcd–if your specialties were intelligence and counter intelligence (also comms) and you held a TS clearance, AND YOU VALUED THAT EXPERIENCE AND THE SECURITY OF THE US, you would never divulge that information on this blog or any other. That makes other things you write about suspect. I surmise you are a disaffected Catholic, or have some other beef with Catholics, and that colors your outlook. I invite you to really study the Catholic faith, from an adult perspective, with an open mind. I invite you to pray as well.
    BTW–the picture on your profile is really strange looking to me. You might want to consider updating it to something a little more personable.

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