Blagojevich trial conspiracy, Protect Obama, US Justice Department corruption, Part 6, Trial shortened, Evidence omitted

Blagojevich trial conspiracy, Protect Obama, US Justice Department corruption, Part 6

Blagojevich trial

Protecting Obama

Part 6

Trial shortened – Evidence omitted

From the Evidentiary Proffer in the Rod Blagojevich trial.

“This proffer begins by discussing case law governing the admissibility of co-conspirator statements under Rule 801(d)(2)(E), and, alternatively, other provisions of Rule 801(d)(2). Next, this proffer summarizes some of the evidence supporting the admission of co-conspirator statements. In this manner, the government will establish to the Court the existence of the evidence available to complete the necessary foundation at trial, the roles of certain witnesses, and the bases for admission. The government is not detailing all of its evidence that would go to show the existence of the pertinent conspiracies, or all of the co-conspirator statements that were made in furtherance of the conspiracies charged in the indictment. Rather, this proffer highlights for the Court samples of the government’s evidence in order to establish to the Court the existence of the conspiracies described in Counts Two, Seventeen, Eighteen, Twenty-One, and Twenty-Three, and the scheme described in Counts Three through Thirteen, and the roles of the various conspirators.”

OVERVIEW OF THE CHARGED OFFENSES
“Defendant Rod Blagojevich has been charged with conspiracy to commit racketeering acts, racketeering, mail and wire fraud, attempted extortion, conspiracy to commit extortion, bribery, and conspiracy to commit bribery, while defendant Robert Blagojevich has been charged with wire fraud, conspiracy to commit extortion, attempted extortion, and conspiracy to commit bribery. The Second Superseding indictment charges that the defendants, together with others, used and agreed to use the powers of the Office of the Governor of the State of Illinois, and of certain state boards and commissions subject to influence by the Office of the Governor, to take and cause governmental actions, including: appointments to boards and commissions; the awarding of state business, grants,
and investment fund allocations; the enactment of legislation and executive orders; and the appointment of a United States Senator; in order to obtain financial benefits for themselves and others, including campaign contributions for Rod Blagojevich, and employment for Rod Blagojevich and his wife.”

Beginning with

“THE GOVERNMENT’S PROFFER REGARDING THE EXISTENCE OF A CONSPIRACY”

Pages 15 to 52  reveal Blagojevich’s involvement in corruption beginning in 2002 and going into the summer of 2008. Here are some of the names mentioned in this section:

Tony Rezko

Stuart Levine

Patti Blagojevich

John Harris

Christopher Kelly

Alonzo Monk

Joseph Cari

William Cellini

Robert Weinstein

Ali Ata

Joseph Aramanda

Daniel Mahru

Fortune Massuda

Imad Almanaseer

Michel Malek

Jacob Kiferbaum

Out of this 91 page document, 38 pages are loaded with names and events tied to Rod Blagojevich from 2002 to the summer of 2008. Beginning on page 52 and to page 90 are references to Blagojevich shady dealings primarily from the summer of 2008 on.

CONCLUSION
“The above is an outline of the evidence that the government will introduce to establish that a conspiracy existed involving defendant Rod Blagojevich, Blagojevich’s wife, defendant Robert Blagojevich, Christopher Kelly, Antoin Rezko, Alonzo Monk, Stuart Levine, Sheldon Pekin, Joseph Cari, Jacob Kiferbaum, William Cellini, John Harris, Deputy Governor A, Individual I, Advisor A, and Advisor B, and that conspiracy allowed defendants Rod Blagojevich and Robert Blagojevich to commit the charged offenses. This Court should find, based upon this proffer, that coconspirators’ statements are admissible pending the introduction of evidence to support this proffer.”

http://www.scribd.com/doc/29924979/Government-Evidentiary-Proffer-Against-Rod-Blagojevich-4-14-10

As noted in part 5 of this series, Tony Rezko’s name was mentioned approximately 288 times in the Evidentiary Proffer. The above numbers reveal that of the evidence presented in the Proffer, 38 pages are loaded with names and corruption activities tied to Blagojevich from 2002 to mid 2008. And yet neither Tony Rezko or Stuart Levine were called as witnesses. And just as predicted and warned about here, the focus of the trial was the selling of Obama’s senate seat.

The approximately 39 pages devoted to Blagojevich’s activities mainly from mid 2008 to his arrest reveal much about the chicanery crafted in this setup. These pages are at most a continuation of Blagojevich’s activities in the prior 6 years. They are more general in nature and in the case of the selling of the senate seat, more open to interpretation.

Compare these facts to the evidence and witnesses of the Blagojevich trial.

It is clear from the facts, from the evidence that:

Rod Blagojevich should have been arrested and indicted by 2006.

The arrest of Blagojevich was delayed until after the 2008 election to protect Obama.

The shortening of the trial was designed to protect Obama and the Democrats.

The withholding of evidence and not calling witnesses such as Tony Rezko and Stuart Levine was designed to protect Blagojevich and Obama. The theatrics playing out in court are likely to be a diversion to make it appear that the defense wanted Rezko and Levine to take the witness stand. Rezko and Levine know too much about both Blagojevich and Obama. That is why the Justice Department did not call them as witnesses. We have confirmation from this apparent scheme and other revelations that the US Justice Department is corrupt.

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357 responses to “Blagojevich trial conspiracy, Protect Obama, US Justice Department corruption, Part 6, Trial shortened, Evidence omitted

  1. From the Chicago Tribune…….

    “President Barack Obama Big winner. Picture the leader of the free world, walking the family dog Bo, on the White House lawn, the plastic bag in the pocket, like some perfect TV dad.

    He hears the news that Blagojevich has rested his case and won’t testify or call any witnesses.

    And that’s when — in my purely fictional mental tableau of the presiden waiting for Bo to do business on the lawn — Obama fishes into his pocket for a smoke and lights up.

    Our president takes a big drag, exhales with a satisfied sigh. Ahhhhh…

    Why is our president satisfied?

    Because with Blago cutting short his defense, Rahm Emanuel, Obama’s chief of staff, won’t be called as a defense witness to talk about how the Obama White House transcended the old broken politics of the past by haggling with Blago over the Obama Senate seat.

    As a lawyer, Obama would know that without a defense case, there’s no way that the president’s old real estate fairy, Tony Rezko, would come u as a prosecution rebuttal witness.

    “My man,” he says, thinking of Dead Meat, as he looks to the west toward Chicago, blowing smoke through that famous smile”My man.” Then he and Rahm enjoy some celebratory mojitos in the Rose Garden

  2. Bill Cutting

    Local pundits believe Blago’s Lawyer ( Sam Adam’s Jr) is going to step down today and Blago will give his own closing argument.

    Should be an interesting day….

  3. Free Speech

    Free Speech // July 27, 2010 at 8:42 am

    previously

    Aussie // July 26, 2010 at 9:56 pm

    So who paid the judge to throw the case?
    ****************************************

    Remember the judge is a writer. He will get a multi-million dollar book and movie deal too.

    http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/clout_st/2010/05/blagojevich-trial-judge-zagel-regarded-as-smart-unflappable.html

    “Do you ever wonder what spins through a judge’s head while lawyers and witnesses drone on endlessly for days and weeks at trial?

    In the case of U.S. District Judge James B. Zagel, who is scheduled to preside over the sweeping corruption trial of former Gov. Rod Blagojevich in a little more than two weeks, there’s a good chance those thoughts sometimes drift to grandly larcenous fantasies.

    How else to explain “Money to Burn,” the well-received 2002 novel penned by Zagel about a federal judge who masterminds an audacious heist at the super-secure Federal Reserve Bank in Chicago?”
    Free Speech // July 27, 2010 at 9:02 am

    http://www.nbcchicago.com/blogs/ward-room/Blago-Lawyers-File-Motion-Against-Judge-94918759.html

    Free Speech // July 27, 2010 at 9:21 am

    If U had just heard the judge say that UR lawyer failed to call witnesses “crucial to UR defense” and you had just heard UR lawyer threaten to walk out on your trial, would you cordially shake UR lawyer’s hand and exchange pleasantries before he walked out of the courtroom?

    U would if he knew from day one an absolute jury fix was in?

  4. If Blago gets off… I have a feeling something really awful is going to happen to him and maybe others! The same even if he goes to prison! He might think that he is protected, I don’t know, but he better really have a good plan for “revenge” upon his death! He should know the media and courts are in bed with the fraud so they won’t help!

  5. Ginger // July 27, 2010 at 9:59 am

    blago & the judge will get a pot of gold with movie & book deals.

    It is your typical Hollywood ending. blago is “golden” again & zagel’s ” grandly larcenous fantasies” have come true.

    http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/clout_st/2010/05/blagojevich-trial-judge-zagel-regarded-as-smart-unflappable.html

  6. Lawlessness and kangaroo courts now prevail in America.

    Oh sinner man, where you gonna a run to?

    This is only one price America is paying for choosing to be complicit in Obama’s usurpation via failing to shout, kick, scream and be outraged and demand Obama produce his documents or get out.

    Now it may be too late. I have no mercy for all those Obama supporters who will never find justice in our courts, never get health care because of Obamacare, banks account privacy is over, seniors counseled on suicide, private properties taken, the price of gas will run over $10 a gallon, free speech no longer exists, fear of what our neighbors may tell the government about us and on, and on. Let them eat arugula!

    Thank God, I am at an age I may be dead before the full impact of what these Obama thugs and stupid, stupid life is just a bowl of cherries vote for Obama in trade for a cigarette idiots finally awaken to what they have done to America!

    Oh sinner man, where you gonna run to?

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  9. citizenwells

    I just posted all 6 parts of the Blagojevich trial series on protecting Obama.

    http://citizenwells.com/2010/07/27/blagojevich-trial-verdict-us-justice-department-corrupt-fix-in-obama-protected-trial-shortened-witnesses-not-called-sam-adam-jr-tony-rezko-stuart-levine/

    Did Hannity cover any of this last night?
    Has anyone noticed any decent coverage by any major TV or news source?
    How about Rush?

    With Sam Adam Jr. accusing the feds of not putting Rezko or Levine on the stand,
    this gives Rush an opening. Let Rush, Hannity, others know about these facts.

  10. Bill Cutting // July 27, 2010 at 9:48 am

    Local pundits believe Blago’s Lawyer ( Sam Adam’s Jr) is going to step down today and Blago will give his own closing argument.
    **************************************

    Seen that in Nashville too.

    When judge Tom w. Brothers’ co-defendant, Tom Nebel, was first tried for Drug Money Laundering, Nebel got Hung Drug. despite seemingly overwhelming evidence of guilt.

    The DOJ tried Nebel again. Nebel fired his lawyers and represented himself. The Jury Acquitted Nebel in his second self-represented trial.

    Nebel went on to become a Multi-Millionaire Trial Lawyer.

    blago is a lawyer, right?

  11. correction “Hung Jury not Hung Drug in judge Tom w. Brothers’ co-defendant’s case.

  12. citizenwells

    Blagojevich verdict.
    Legal experts: What recourse do we have?
    Where do we take charges of US Justice Dept. corruption?
    A combination of Justice Dept documents, statements combined with those of the defense are damning.
    Just comparing the Evidentiary Proffer to the trial alone is self evident.

  13. citizenwells // July 27, 2010 at 10:46 am

    Blagojevich verdict.
    Legal experts: What recourse do we have?
    Where do we take charges of US Justice Dept. corruption?
    ***************************************

    Only way I see to ever bring these criminals to justice is for Citizens to stand up and demand Grand Jury Indictments in State Courts.

    For information on forming a Secret Grand Jury to investigate crimes go here:

    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/06/how-to-start-and-lead-citizens-grand.html

    http://dewdropwarriors.blogspot.com/2009_03_01_archive.html

    http://grandjury.blogtownhall.com

    For information on Crimes committed by the BHO campaign:

    http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/category/nashville

  14. Freespeech,

    I personally did not know that Blago was a lawyer.

    Learn something everyday….

  15. http://blogs.suntimes.com/blago/2010/07/blagojevich_trial_crowd_awaits.html

    Shortly after 9 a.m., Sam Jr. walks through the media crowd and with a smile on his face, put out his hands, wrists up, as if he were getting cuffed.

    He then helped two friends get into the courtroom.

    “Lord knows I’m against violating rules so come on,” Sam Adam Jr. says as he helps two friends under a rope.

  16. Zagel said he wanted to make that clear after watching the news last night and seeing something about Adam being “threatened with jail.”

    http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/blagojevich-on-trial/2010/07/judge-to-adam-dont-worry-about-jail.html

    “I didn’t use the word jail, you used the word jail,” the judge said. “To put you at ease Mr. Adam, jail is not in the picture. I don’t know where they lock up lawyers for making objectionable statements.”

  17. Philo-Publius

    According to progressive media, Fox News caused Sherrod’s firing AFTER FOX reported the story AFTER she was fired.

    http://johnnydollar.us/files/100725fhwir.php

    That’s how liberal progressives think.

  18. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Cabby – AZ // July 27, 2010 at 12:27 am

    BP Oil Spill: Clean-Up Crews Can’t Find Crude in the Gulf

    As Size of Slick Shrinks, Experts Say Oil is Breaking Up, Staying Below Surface

    By JEFFREY KOFMAN
    BURAS, La. July 26, 2010

    Read more –

    http://abcnews.go.com/WN/bp-oil-spill-crude-mother-nature-breaks-slick/story?id=11254252

    Hmmm….. “That oil is somewhere. It didn’t just disappear,” said Plaquemines Parish President Billy Nungesser.”

    ==============================

    Yeah. That’s my guy – Billy. Listen to him.

    The oil has largely disappeared (from the surface) due to the action of the dispersants. It breaks things up and at least partially sinks the gunk and gack. (outta sight outta mind?)

    But it’s still there. And the dispersants are incredibly toxic. At this point, the ultimate damage may be due more to the dispersants than the oil itself.

    There are a lot of things that are quite rotten in this whole situation. We know only the tip of the iceberg so far.

  19. “I don’t believe there was ever in this case a desire by the defense to actually have these witnesses here,” Zagel said. He had ruled on the matter Friday, the judge said, and Adam had waited until the moment his argument was to start “to make a big fuss” over it.

    Zagel said the argument needs to go forward, and he may have to give the jury a special instruction telling the jury to disregard the argument if Adam won’t follow his order. Prosecutors have asked that the jury be instructed immediately, even during Adam’s argument, if Adam violates the ruling.

    “If he fails to follow my instruction to him then the issue is: Do I do something to repair the misimpression the jury might have to what they can and can’t consider,” Zagel said as he mulled the government’s request.

    The judge said he will instruct the jury in the middle of the argument, after sitting Adam down, if he believes it’s necessary. He said he may have to stop Adam’s argument if he believes he has done so much damage that the jury cannot be corrected with an instruction.

    Therefore, the judge said, it may be better for Adam to get into the “missing witness” area at the end of his argument and not at the beginning. The government also may be permitted to answer the charge in its closing if Adam goes out of bounds, the judge said.

  20. Freespeech,

    Here is a news breaker, but not shocked. Chattanooga has been gaining in the number of signatures to get Mayor Littefield recalled, before this issue.

    From the Chattanooga times free press…

    “Mayor Ron Littlefield and City Court Judge Sherry Paty are in dispute about whether they spoke to each other in a conference call involving the case between the Pet Company at Hamilton Place and the city’s animal control division.

    Judge Paty sparked the dispute Monday when she ordered a mistrial in the case and stepped down from the case due to a July 1 e-mail from the mayor and a subsequent open letter he wrote July 22 urging her to order restitution for McKamey Animal Care and Adoption Center, which handles the city’s animal control.

    “I really need to talk with you about this situation,” the e-mail from Mr. Littlefield reads. “We must not leave the McKamey Center holding the bag for all the expenses associated with the Pet Company’s unacceptable conditions.

    ” At the end of the e-mail, Mr. Littlefield wrote that “I do not trust” the Pet Company.”

    http://timesfreepress.com/news/2010/jul/27/mayor-judge-odds-over-pet-store-case/

    Also from the Chattanoogan.com. Mayor Littlefield has admitted that he routinely writes to Judges on pending cases.

    “City Judge Sherry Paty said Monday morning she was recusing herself from the controversial Pe Store case after Mayor Ron Littlefield tried to influence her in the case in a manner that wa”improper, unethical and perhaps contemptible.

    Saying she is a judge and “not an arm of the mayor’s office,” she said she was referring to an e mail sent to her by the mayor to District Attorney Bill Cox.”

    http://chattanoogan.com/articles/article_180571.asp

    Links for the rest of the story.

  21. Pages 15 to 52 reveal Blagojevich’s involvement in corruption beginning in 2002 and going into the summer of 2008. Here are some of the names mentioned in this section:

    Tony Rezko

    Stuart Levine

    Patti Blagojevich

    John Harris

    Christopher Kelly

    Alonzo Monk

    Joseph Cari

    William Cellini

    Robert Weinstein

    Ali Ata

    Joseph Aramanda

    Daniel Mahru

    Fortune Massuda

    Imad Almanaseer

    Michel Malek

    Jacob Kiferbaum

    Out of this 91 page document, 38 pages are loaded with names and events tied to Rod Blagojevich from 2002 to the summer of 2008. Beginning on page 52 and to page 90 are references to Blagojevich shady dealings primarily from the summer of 2008 on.
    ******************************************
    Where is Obama’s name?

  22. Thanks for the Blago update Freespeech.

    I am not able to view it and appreciate the play by play commentary.

    I will not post anymore so it does not disrupts the flow.

  23. Free Speech – 11:38 AM
    FS, from the narrative you cite, it seems that all “lights are on go” for a hung jury at least.

    Talk about theatrics! It would be a comedy if it and the implications were not so deadly serious.
    It’s another nail in the coffin of the American justice system.

  24. “Zagel said the argument needs to go forward, and he may have to give the jury a special instruction telling the jury to disregard the argument if Adam won’t follow his order. Prosecutors have asked that the jury be instructed immediately, even during Adam’s argument, if Adam violates the ruling.

    “If he fails to follow my instruction to him then the issue is: Do I do something to repair the misimpression the jury might have to what they can and can’t consider,” Zagel said as he mulled the government’s request.

    The judge said he will instruct the jury in the middle of the argument, after sitting Adam down, if he believes it’s necessary. He said he may have to stop Adam’s argument if he believes he has done so much damage that the jury cannot be corrected with an instruction.”

    ***********************************

    all zagel is doing is putting more and more emphasis on the failure of the prosecution to put on sufficient evidence and witnesses to prove their case.

    zagel will make the entire summation by prosecution and defense about prosecutions’ failure of the prosecution to put on sufficient evidence and witnesses to prove their case by doing this.

    The jury is bound to be hung already and they will not want to stay cooped up in the courthouse for long debating this dog that don’t hunt. Easiest way out is simply to acquit blago and go home.

  25. citizenwells

    Bob.
    Where is Obama’s name.
    Tied to all of the names listed.

  26. Philo-Publius

    Why won’t the Justice Department let Christopher Coates testify on New Black Panther Party case?

    Christopher Coates is perhaps the one man who could provide substantive answers to back up Adams’ claims.
    Coates was the chief of the Voting Section of the Civil Rights Division at the Justice Department who led the team of attorneys that brought the initial case of voter intimidation against the NBPP. In May 2009, Coates was allegedly ordered to dismiss the charges against the NBPP.

    On January 5, 2010, the Department reassigned Coates to the U.S. attorney’s office in Charleston, South Carolina. Some have speculated that the reassignment was in retaliation for his prosecution of voting rights violations against black defendants, specifically the NBPP and a case in Noxubee County, Mississippi (U.S. v. Ike Brown, a case in which a black political boss in Mississippi, Ike Brown, was accused of voter suppression).

    A DOJ spokesman, Xochitl Hinojosa, told The Daily Caller in a brief e-mail that “Christopher Coates requested the transfer to South Carolina.” But despite DOJ’s position, some still question whether Coates’ reassignment was voluntary and why the DOJ won’t allow him to speak about the NBPP case.

    http://tinyurl.com/2u8744r

  27. CW

    Did Hannity cover any of this last night?
    Has anyone noticed any decent coverage by any major TV or news source?
    How about Rush?

    With Sam Adam Jr. accusing the feds of not putting Rezko or Levine on the stand,
    this gives Rush an opening. Let Rush, Hannity, others know about these facts.
    * * * * * *

    This has been exactly my point for months. All the big names in journalism (and I use that loosely), all the big names in politics, and all the big names period have remained silent on so many vital issues that should have been blasted about until they corrupt judicial system has no place to hide.

    The greatest opportunity to over come lame stream media’s persistent Obama cover up on everything is with the candidates stepping into the limelight touting their snake oil. There is no way the media can ignore them if they run on the fact that if elected they will demand Obama produce his documents or step down. Their silence shouts louder than any thing they say.

    Sarah Palin, Sean Hannity, Dick Cheney (it looks like he is also complicit), Dick Morris, Newt Gingrich, Glen Beck, all the current candidates–except Hector Maldonado, Mike Hucabee, John Boehner, Michele Bachman, and the entire Tea Party leadership (not the courageous people who attend the rallies) have all remained curiously silent. They are so silent it rages way too loud in my head.

    Yes I know all the good work Sarah Palin, Glen Beck, Michele Bachman and many mentioned above have done to expose this feckless regime. If they are not aiming directly and lethally at the cause of this Dante’s Inferno–Barack Insane Obama, aka Barry Sotoero, aka Steve Dunham, then they are avoiding the problem. Why they are avoiding the problem causes me to be very suspect about a whole lot of issues? The first one is their sincerity? The second one is who, why or how are they being controlled to be shut up? Are they remaining silent because of their own fears of losing their career or are they being bribed or intimidated?

    Barack Insane Obama is the malignant cancer that is causing all the failure and grief in America today. Talking only about his policies while ignoring his usurpation is the same as treating only the cancer symptoms and not the cancer.

    Why, CW, are the voters failing to demand their incumbent and the hopeful politicians focus on this one clear issue. Cure the cancer and the symptoms will disappear. The only real solution to America’s problems today is to surgical cut the malignant tumor from America!

    CW, though I followed the Blago trial, I always knew in my heart that this would be the only outcome. Yes it the trampling of our last hope for justice. It is so painful to see the death of a just judicial system in America as we once knew and believed it. There is hope. For out of the ashes of a destroyed America, the phoenix will rise.

  28. Philo-Publius

    Sestak: I can’t tell if Pelosi’s a liberal

    http://tinyurl.com/24od98m

    That explains why he doesn’t think he is a liberal.

  29. Philo-Publius

    Has anyone noticed any decent coverage by any major TV or news source?

    ——————————-
    Bret Baier on Special Report has been providing updates on the trial.

  30. SirWilliam // July 27, 2010 at 4:33 am

    Aussie,

    When comes to speaking with a RAP member, you are discussing a straw-man arguement.

    *****************************************

    Aussie&SW,

    I never mentioned rap nor am i a member. i dont follow rap or listen to their broadcasts. Still no proof of a legitimate goverment from aussie. talk is cheap. here is more evidence:
    *******************************************
    Who is running America? Have you ever asked that question?
    Under the doctrine of Parens Patriae, “Government As Parent”, as a result of the manipulated bankruptcy of the United States of America in 1930, ALL the assets of the American people, their person, and of our country itself are held by the Depository Trust Corporation at 55 Water Street, NY, NY, secured by UCC Commercial Liens, which are then monetized as “debt money” by the Federal Reserve. It may interest you to know that under the umbrella of the Depository Trust Corporation lies the CEDE Corporation, the Federal Reserve Corporation, the American Bar Association, the legal arm of the banking interests, and the Internal Revenue Service, the system’s collection agency.

    Now you know who is running America!

    Did you ever hear of the Independent Treasury Act of 1920? No, you say…. Hmmmmmmm….?

    The Independent Treasury Act of 1920 suspended the de jure (meaning “by right of legal establishment”) Treasury Department of the United States government. Our Congress turned the treasury department over to a private corporation, which when seen in its true light, is a fascist monopolistic cartel, the Federal Reserve and their agents. The bulk of the ownership of the Federal Reserve System, a very well kept secret from the American Citizen, is held by these banking interests, and NONE is held by the United States Treasury:

    Rothschild Bank of London
    Rothschild Bank of Berlin
    Warburg Bank of Hamburg
    Warburg Bank of Amsterdam
    Lazard Brothers of Paris
    Israel Moses Seif Banks of Italy
    Chase Manhattan Bank of New York
    Goldman, Sachs of New York
    Lehman Brothers of New York
    Kuhn Loeb Bank of New York

    The Federal Reserve is at the root of most of our present statutory regulations, “laws”, in the control and regulation of virtually all aspects of human activity in the United States, through successively socialistic constructions laid upon the Commerce clause of the Constitution. Basically, the Federal Reserve is the “STATE” of the United States.

    ***************************************

    again, show me some evidence that we have a de jure sovereign goverment.

    anyone that has a problem with ron paul think again. he may ot want what you want politically, but lets start with something we all have in common:

    AUDIT THE FED!

  31. Philo-Publius

    From the White House to the Big House: 25 Impeachable Crimes and Counting

    http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/25831

  32. THE FORGOTTEN DEFENDANT FROM NASHVILLE:

    Blagojevich brother’s lawyer addresses jurors
    By MICHAEL TARM and DON BABWIN (AP) – 20 hours ago

    CHICAGO — A federal prosecutor has finished closing arguments in the corruption trial of former Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich, and an attorney for Blagojevich’s brother has begun addressing jurors.

    Earlier Monday, prosecutors dropped one of five counts against Robert Blagojevich. They filed a motion to drop a count of wire fraud just before the start of closing arguments.

    Prosecutors say the count pertained to a Dec. 4, 2008 phone call recorded by an FBI wiretap. They say Robert Blagojevich did not take part directly in that call.

    The 54-year-old Nashville, Tenn., businessman has pleaded not guilty to taking part in alleged schemes to sell the Senate seat that Barack Obama gave up when he was elected president and to illegally pressure a racetrack owner for a $100,000 campaign contribution.

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iQzzfJgU11ljyZElHhClLPy89z3wD9H6U2C80

  33. SAM ADAM JR. – THERE’S A BIG PINK ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM

    Sam Adam Jr. cranks up the volume right from the start, telling jurors in his closing argument that he decided not to put Rod Blagojevich on the stand — despite his promise that he would — because the government didn’t prove its case against him.
    It’s what he refers to as the “big pink elephant in the room.”

    “I promised each and every single one of you that Rod was going to get up there and take the stand,” Adam says. And at opening statement I gave you my word and I meant every word of it,” he says. “I had no idea no idea that in two months of trial (the government) would prove nothing.”

    For more:

    http://blogs.suntimes.com/blago/

  34. “big pink elephant in the room, If da gubmint can’t prove IT, U must acquIT!”

  35. Lawsuit Claims College Ordered Student to Alter Religious Views on Homosexuality, Or Be Dismissed

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/07/27/georgia-university-tells-student-lose-religion-lawsuit-claims/

  36. Free Speech // July 27, 2010 at 12:38 pm

    “big pink elephant in the room, If da gubmint can’t prove IT, U must acquIT!”
    *****************************
    Very good! Ok, FS, what is your educated “guess” –
    Is it going to be an acquittal, or a hung jury?

  37. Philo-Publius

    Rocks Too Dangerous for Geology Class

    Michael Warring, president of American Educational Products in Fort Collins, Colo., had his shipment all ready: A school’s worth of small bags, each one filled with an igneous, sedimentary and metamorphic rock. Then the school canceled its order. Says Warring, “They apparently decided rocks could be harmful to children.”

    http://rightwingnews.com/#post16320

  38. THIS IS BEGINNING TO LOOK LIKE A SHOW (Judge Zagel to Sam Adam, Jr.)

    By Sarah Ostman on July 27, 2010 11:44 AM | Permalink | Comments (0) | TrackBacks (0)
    Reporting with Natasha Korecki, Dave McKinney and Abdon Pallasch

    Sam Adam Jr.’s voice crescendos out of control at one point; no one in the overflow room can make out what he’s saying as his voice clips through the speakers. Turns out he’s telling a story about a mule.

    It’s a long joke about an Italian woman who shot a mule that kept stumbling after giving it three chances. (“Thattsa one! thattsa two! thattsa three!” Adam yells.)

    For more:

    http://blogs.suntimes.com/blago/2010/07/judge_zagel_to_sam_adam_jr_thi.html

  39. Free Speech

    Cabby – AZ // July 27, 2010 at 12:53 pm

    Free Speech // July 27, 2010 at 12:38 pm

    “big pink elephant in the room, If da gubmint can’t prove IT, U must acquIT!”
    *****************************
    Very good! Ok, FS, what is your educated “guess” –
    Is it going to be an acquittal, or a hung jury?
    *******************************************

    Acquittal. I suspect that jurors have been bribed and/or blackmailed and if there are any jurors who want to convict without evidence of a crime they will soon be persuaded just to give up on this gubmint dog dat don’t hunt.

  40. Sam Adam Jr. accuses Barack Obama’s transition team of negotiating with Rod Blagojevich

    By Sarah Ostman on July 27, 2010 11:52 AM | Permalink | Comments (0) | TrackBacks (0)
    Reporting with Natasha Korecki, Dave McKinney and Abdon Pallasch

    Sam Adam Jr. has just accused President Barack Obama and his transition team of negotiating with Blagojevich.

    The offer came from Rod to Tom Balanoff, Adam says. Balanoff brought it to Valerie Jarrett and word came back from Rahm Emanuel through John Wyma. It’s a negotiation they were in, he said of Obama and Blagojevich.

    “You start high and they come low,” Adam said.

    For more:

    http://blogs.suntimes.com/blago/2010/07/sam_adam_jr_accuses_barack_oba.html

  41. Free Speech

    Cabby – AZ // July 27, 2010 at 1:03 pm

    At least Junior is entertaining the jury. Jurors like that. No doubt they are pissed at da gubmint lawyer who wasted their time shooting a dead mule.

  42. Free Speech

    When Adam told a story about his grandmother’s troublesome mule in the old country in a thick Italian accent, prosecutors objected and declared the G-rated story “totally inappropriate.” Some jurors and courtroom spectators, however, laughed.
    **************************************

    Junior’s summation is all about making the Jurors like him and blago and hate the gubmint lawyer and judge and it sounds like it is working.

    It is not a good sign for the prosecution when the jurors start laughing at them.

  43. “JUDGE NIXES FIVE RECORDINGS BLAGO WANTED PLAYED AT TRIAL”

    July 15, 2010 11:48 AM

    http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/07/judge-nixes-five-recordings-blago-wanted-played-at-trial.html?obref=obnetwork

    # # # #

    “BLAGOJEVICH LAWYER MAY BE MUZZLED – Closing Arguments Delayed As Judge Threatens To Hold Defense Attorney In Contempt.”

    Excerpt:

    “On Friday, Zagel told the defense he wouldn’t allow the “missing witness” argument because Blagojevich’s lawyers enjoyed subpoena powers and could have called any of the same people to the stand but didn’t do so. Indeed, after months of vowing to mount a vigorous defense, Blagojevich’s lawyers chose at the last minute not to put their client on the stand or present any other witnesses.”

    Read More Here:

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/blagojevich/ct-met-blagojevich-closings-0727-20100726,0,3756026.story

    # # # #

    “ADAM WORKS UP A SWEAT”

    Excerpt:

    “The law I give you is the law you must follow,” Zagel told the jurors. “You will not decide the law.”

    Read More Here:

    http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/blagojevich-on-trial/2010/07/adams-works-up-a-sweat.html

    # # # #

  44. Free Speech

    “Adam went on to say Blagojevich hadn’t been the one to initiate the contact with the Obama administration about the Senate pick. It had been the other way around, he said.

    Adam told the jury to sit at “the grown-up table” and think like adults. Blagojevich had taken a request from the incoming president of the United States and talked to his lawyers and advisers about it.

    “And they tell you, ‘Yes, it’s a legitimate ask, you can do it,’” said Adam, bringing an objection from the judge.

    “He had no intent of bribing anybody. He had no intent of extorting anybody,” Adam said. “Think about who they’re telling you he extorted. The president of the United States. Give me a break!”

  45. Jacqlyn Smith

    A man after my own heart….you go Judge N…..

  46. Jacqlyn Smith

    Oops…try this…..love the Judge…..

    “Andrew P. Napolitano is a 59 year old former New Jersey Superior Court Judge. He is a graduate of Princeton University , and Notre Dame Law School . At Princeton he was a founding member of the Concerned Alumni of Princeton along with Justice Samuel Alito.

    Judge Napolitano is the youngest life-tenured Superior Court judge in the history of the State of New Jersey. See Napolitano’s call to action by all freedom loving Americans.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=7n2m-X7OIuY

  47. bob strauss

    How about judge Napolitano for president?

  48. Jacqlyn Smith

    Good info here folks if you are willing to open your eyes……send this far and wide…..

    http://anticorruptionsociety.com/2010/07/24/who-is-working-on-our-injustice-system-part-1/

    Who is working on our (in)justice system? Part 1
    July 24, 2010 · 3 Comments

    by AL Whitney (C) copyright 2010 All Rights Reserved
    . . . and our corrupt defacto government?

    Hint: there is more than one ongoing effort!

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    http://anticorruptionsociety.com/2010/07/26/who-is-working-on-our-injustice-system-part-2/

    Who is working on our (in)justice system? Part 2
    July 26, 2010 · Leave a Comment

    by AL Whitney (C) copyright 2010 All Rights Reserved
    . . . and our corrupt defacto government?

    [Who is working on our (in)justice system? Part 1]

    Are you ready for a REAL change?

  49. Judge Napolitano for the Supreme Court.

  50. Free Speech

    Today it looks like Junior is putting bo on trial in abstentia.

  51. POT-US’ innocence was not weighed by the scales of justice; only the overwhelming evidence of Blago’s own words of self-incrimination. Hearsay of POT-US’ self-incriminatory statements to Blago and third party’s was made inert by judicial sleight of hand.

    POT-US’ involvement with Blago’s election to the governorship and the reciprocal favors bestowed upon POT-US’ campaign for the U.S. Senate and Presidency preclude anyone ever disclosing how intertwined these men are with corruption in IL and with each other’s ascent to power. The only thing left for Blago to do is spend his ‘quiet time’ writing or making a storied book about his experience. Fables got them both elected, so this ought to be interesting. See no criminals, see no Communists, hear no criminals, hear no Communists, speak nought of criminals, nor of Communists. Add Rahm and Trotsky’s grandson and you have four mon*eys for your fable.

  52. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    Emudude // July 27, 2010 at 2:11 pm

    Judge Napolitano for the Supreme Court.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    I’ll second that!

  53. nJ native,

    Not that I am interested in getting into a straw-man arguement with you, (yes, this is what it is) there are possibly a few things you may wish to consider. I say that lightly as I will not flood this post with legal doctines, its ramifications (negatively or otherwise) as more books over the decades can be qouted from than you or I care to reference and quote. This is not the place to discuss such in depth historical analysis.

    Write a book, as so many have. I will be the first to purchase it.

    Insofar as my comment to Aussie, I see no where in the statements claiming you are a member of RAP? Secondly what makes your conclusion of judgement that somehow we are absent of the past forming histroy slowly leading to the loss of our sovereignty? Do you so blindly accuse that we are ingnorant to such historical acclaimations in which we cannot see ? Have you yourself not been listening to the rally cries of histroic proportions of citizens demanding our represenatives return back to the founders documents and intent?

    I agree with Ron Paul, as everyone else here does, that the federal reserve does in fact need audited, full disclosure to the public at a minimum. A 7th grader questions that and rightfully so. Does that make Ron Paul a “special Guy”? Hell no. He is merely asking the same that has been asked by many, many others far before Ron. That is about the only thing I agree with when it comes to Ron Paul. Other than that, he is a coward.

    When it comes to manipulating monetary funds, well, I hate to bust the bubble here or be the bareier of bad news, but every Country does it, has been doing it and will continue to do it, regardless of what the US adjusts to. Does that make me a direct proponent of such. Absolutely not.

    Lastly, for those that advocate that the United States is “not sovereign enough” and propose overthowing it with their usurptation form, are no better than the individual we are currently trying to get out. Replace one with the other is a redundant ideolgy and boarders insane.

    Enough said. Sign out. “No Loitering”.

    Write a book, let me know when it’s out I’ll buy it….the autograph one of course.

  54. bob strauss

    Free Speech // July 27, 2010 at 1:34 pm

    “Adam went on to say Blagojevich hadn’t been the one to initiate the contact with the Obama administration about the Senate pick. It had been the other way around, he said.
    *******************************************
    This guy is going to end up like Donald Young if he keeps talking like that.

  55. Free Speech

    bob strauss // July 27, 2010 at 2:17 pm

    Free Speech // July 27, 2010 at 1:34 pm

    “Adam went on to say Blagojevich hadn’t been the one to initiate the contact with the Obama administration about the Senate pick. It had been the other way around, he said.
    *******************************************
    This guy is going to end up like Donald Young if he keeps talking like that.
    **************************************

    Or maybe bo will end up like Rezko?

  56. bob strauss

    Free Speech, Do the rules of civil procedure allow the jury to call a witness in the Blago trial?

  57. Free Speech

    “Share | Sam Adam Jr. got through almost an hour of his closing argument before Judge Zagel, at Adam’s suggestion, called a halt for a lunch break. Leading up to that point, Adam continued to pound on the theme that Blagojevich is really the victim at this trial, beset by testimony from a bevy of former advisers who twisted and concocted testimony to ease their own legal problems.

    “He’s got absolutely horrible judgment in people,” Adam said of the twice-elected former Illinois governor. “They (prosecutors) want you to find him guilty because of that.”

    Time and again, Adam tried to express utter disdain for the quality of the evidence prosecutors had presented against Blagojevich. “I’m not trying to belittle this—much,” Adam said sarcastically. “But come on. These are feds and this is what they bring you? Come on.”

  58. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    nj native // July 27, 2010 at 12:10 pm

    *******************************************
    Who is running America? Have you ever asked that question?
    Under the doctrine of Parens Patriae, “Government As Parent”, as a result of the manipulated bankruptcy of the United States of America in 1930, ALL the assets of the American people, their person, and of our country itself are held by the Depository Trust Corporation at 55 Water Street, NY, NY, secured by UCC Commercial Liens, which are then monetized as “debt money” by the Federal Reserve. It may interest you to know that under the umbrella of the Depository Trust Corporation lies the CEDE Corporation, the Federal Reserve Corporation, the American Bar Association, the legal arm of the banking interests, and the Internal Revenue Service, the system’s collection agency.

    Now you know who is running America!

    Did you ever hear of the Independent Treasury Act of 1920? No, you say…. Hmmmmmmm….?

    The Independent Treasury Act of 1920 suspended the de jure (meaning “by right of legal establishment”) Treasury Department of the United States government. Our Congress turned the treasury department over to a private corporation, which when seen in its true light, is a fascist monopolistic cartel, the Federal Reserve and their agents. The bulk of the ownership of the Federal Reserve System, a very well kept secret from the American Citizen, is held by these banking interests, and NONE is held by the United States Treasury:

    Rothschild Bank of London
    Rothschild Bank of Berlin
    Warburg Bank of Hamburg
    Warburg Bank of Amsterdam
    Lazard Brothers of Paris
    Israel Moses Seif Banks of Italy
    Chase Manhattan Bank of New York
    Goldman, Sachs of New York
    Lehman Brothers of New York
    Kuhn Loeb Bank of New York

    The Federal Reserve is at the root of most of our present statutory regulations, “laws”, in the control and regulation of virtually all aspects of human activity in the United States, through successively socialistic constructions laid upon the Commerce clause of the Constitution. Basically, the Federal Reserve is the “STATE” of the United States.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    nj…..great post……some of the folks here won’t believe the truth because they refuse to do their homework and would rather sit at their computers day in and day out and complain about the US Corporation and then turn around in their about face way and proclaim you haven’t give them any proof…..What a bunch of yellow-bellied hypocrites……

    “No man is entitled to the blessings of freedom unless he be vigilant in its preservation.” — General Douglas MacArthur

  59. Free Speech

    No Rules of Criminal Procedure do not allow jurors to call witnesses.

    However Grand Jurors can subpoena witnesses for testimony before a Grand Jury.

  60. Freespeech,

    What do you think? Acquittal or hung jury?

  61. Free Speech

    bob strauss // July 27, 2010 at 2:22 pm

    A major investigative advantage of the grand jury is its use of the subpoena ad testificandum, a court order directing a person to appear and testify before the grand jury. Moreover, as various courts have noted, the grand jury may utilize subpoena authority on no more substantial grounds than “tips” or rumors. This enables the grand jury to serve as “a grand inquest, a body with powers of investigation and inquisition, the scope of whose inquiries is not limited narrowly by questions of propriety or forecasts of the probable result of the investigation” (Blair v. United States, 250 U.S. 273, 282 (1919)).

    Read more: Grand Jury – The Subpoena To Testify

    http://law.jrank.org/pages/1263/Grand-Jury-subpoena-testify.html#ixzz0uuR5PmpA

  62. Free Speech

    SirWilliam // July 27, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    Freespeech,

    What do you think? Acquittal or hung jury?
    ***************************************

    Acquittal

  63. Jacqlyn Smith

    Who is working on our (in)justice system? Part 1
    July 24, 2010 · 3 Comments

    by AL Whitney (C) copyright 2010 All Rights Reserved
    . . . and our corrupt defacto government?

    Hint: there is more than one ongoing effort!

    Many have figured out that our country is drowning in injustice, corporatism and corruption! We have a greater percentage of the population incarcerated than any other country in the world! And it is not because American’s are more dastardly than any other nation. It is because our system has been intentionally set up to fine and imprison us for ‘statutory violations’ which do not require an injured party. In other words, we can be penalized when no real crime has been committed. In fact in some parts of the country they are implementing ‘debtors prisons’ policies.[1]

    Our government has been transformed over the years (by stealth) into the….

    http://anticorruptionsociety.com/2010/03/26/democratic-federal-franchise/

    by the name of USA INC. Essentially we now have a defacto corporate government that has been crafted by the evil alliance of banksters and Esquires (lawyers).

    The good news is that there are some amazing folks working on restoring our Bill of Rights and our Constitutional form of government.

    __________________________________________________________________

    Each month journalist Benjamin Fulford reports on Rense radio the behind the scenes ongoing efforts that he is privy to. Mr. Fulford lives in Japan and has studied the history of the Illuminati and the gangster/banksters who are trying (and failing) to take control of the world economy – and population. Just last April Fulford reported that banksters are being arrested across the planet.

    http://anticorruptionsociety.com/2010/04/30/global-financial-report-benjamin-fulford-4-10/

  64. Jacqlyn Smith

    Christopher Story exposes the fraud of the gangster/banksters regularly on his web site Global Analysis. He also reports on the legal actions that have been taken by A. Clifton Hodges and Associates to recover money the global gangsters have stolen.

    http://www.worldreports.org/news

  65. bob strauss

    Free Speech, How come no grand jury, to this point, has subpoenaed Obama’s records. Isn’t this common practice?

  66. Jacqlyn Smith

    The Restore America Plan was announced in Spring of 2010. Tim Turner, one of the ‘Elders’ has explained their efforts on different internet sites. From their website:

    http://www.republicoftheunitedstates.org/

    ”The Restore America Plan is a bold achievable strategy for behind-the-scenes peaceful reconstruction of the de jure institutions of government without controversy, violence or civil war. After consultation with high ranking members of the United States armed forces, the Plan is in the process of assembling the Guardians of the Free Republics and reinhabiting the De jure Grand Juries.” Click here to read their astounding goals!

    http://www.americandreampreservation.com/node/4

  67. Jacqlyn Smith

    http://anticorruptionsociety.com/national/dale-rodney-vs-united-states/

    In 2009 Rodney Dale Class and Carl Weston (both are Private Attorney Generals) filed a lawsuit in the District of Columbia challenging the Federal/municipal corporate franchise that has been created in the U.S. This amazing lawsuit is by no means ‘settled’ or ‘disappeared’. In fact support for this effort has grown monumentally since and both Mr. Class and Mr. Weston have stepped up their efforts to educate those interested in helping to restore the Bill of Rights and the Constitutional Republic. In July Mr. Class announced that he had been contacted by the Restore America Plan facilitators. He supports their efforts and expressed a sincere interest in assisting them where ever possible. Class/Weston updates can be followed on their http://www.rayservers.com/blog site. They also discuss the county assembly program that is rapidly growing across the country.

    http://www.rayservers.com/blog

  68. Jacqlyn Smith

    http://anticorruptionsociety.com/2010/07/24/who-is-working-on-our-injustice-system-part-1/

    But perhaps the longest ongoing organized battle in the United States to fight the psychopathic banking globalists is the legal actions that were launched by a group of American farmers in the 80′s. These farmers pursued (and were jailed as a result) lawsuits against both the banksters and their partners – agencies of USA INC. One of these farmers, Darryl Freck and his wife did not take the theft of their farm laying down. They pursed all legal actions available to them and in the process discovered the complicity of the lawyers , banksters and government against our farmers. Pastor Lindsey Williams did a video explaining the Federal Reserve’s attack on U.S. farmers and Willie Nelson started Farm Aid to help them.

    On July 2, 2010 Darryl Freck, farmer/researcher extraordinaire, explained his experiences in this effort and the critically important result of the class action lawsuit referred to as “Farm Claims”. He did a fabulous job explaining what precipitated the “Farm Claims” and how they are now a part of a much bigger effort to recover our Constitutional government and put the corrupt banksters out of business.[2] Mr. Freck supported Mr. Fulford’s claim that many banksters have already been arrested and acknowledged that the Restore America Plan has an important role to play. However, he cautions that any efforts to get remedy via the implementation of ‘common law’ are not wise at this time. The ‘system’ has become quite militaristic in its efforts to protect its ‘power’ and conceal its corruption.

    Darryl Freck’s 7-2-10 interview Part 1

    Darryl Freck’s 7-2-10 interview Part 2

    _____________________

    Darryl Freck’s first interview (3 hrs) of 4-9-10

    Link to the entire series of interviews with Mr. Freck, which started last April: http://www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web/talkCast.jsp?masterId=74743&cmd=tc

  69. Jacqlyn Smith

    http://anticorruptionsociety.com/2010/07/24/who-is-working-on-our-injustice-system-part-1/

    Conclusion

    Lots of folks working to overcome this evil (those trying to enslave the world represent) are religiously/spiritually motivated. There are efforts that I haven’t listed as well. They all seem to believe in the beauty and awe the creation and our world represents. They all understand there is a higher power of goodness that cannot be defeated. After all, a one year old child can stomp on a cockroach, but who among us can design its life cycle . . . one that would last for thousands of years? What is now happening on our planet is an ‘organic’ response against evil, greed, and destruction that author Paul Hawken called Blessed Unrest and others call the loving hand of God.

  70. “Sam Adam Jr. Questions Chicago Academy Charge: Football Field Got Made, Where Is The Fund-Raiser?”

    Excerpt:

    “Sam Adam Jr. tried to dismiss the charge that Rod Blagojevich told underlings to lean on then-Congressman Rahm Emanuel to have his brother, big-time Hollywood agent Ari Emanuel, hold a fund-raiser for his campaign.”

    (snip)

    “Again, Adam questions the entirety of the case — including the alleged shakedown of Rahm Emanuel that Bradley Tusk testified about.”

    To Read More Go Here:

    http://blogs.suntimes.com/blago/2010/07/sam_adam_jr_questions_chicago.html

    # # # #

    “Robert Blagojevich Attorney To Jury: You Heard The Government Prove My Client Is Innocent”

    By Sarah Ostman on July 26, 2010

    Reporting with Natasha Korecki, Dave McKinney and Abdon Pallasch

    Excerpt:

    “Robert Blagojevich time and time again fended off a bribe offer from members of the Indian community who offered millions of dollars if the governor would appoint Jesse Jackson Jr. to the Senate, Robert’s attorney tells the jury.”

    The above report & many other
    Blagovjevich news reports are here:
    (Scroll up & down)

    http://blogs.suntimes.com/blago/

  71. Free Speech

    bob strauss // July 27, 2010 at 2:44 pm

    Free Speech, How come no grand jury, to this point, has subpoenaed Obama’s records. Isn’t this common practice?
    **************************************
    The illegal RAP/AGJ gj’s have no legal authority to subpoena any records whatsoever from anyone.

    I can not speak about what records may or may not have been subpoenaed secretly by legitimate legal Grand Juries.

  72. Freespeech.

    I am leaning for the acquittal myself. I think by the time the judge throws out the vast majority of it, due the prosecutions eairly resting, there will be nothing left for the jury to decide.

    Obummer is sitting in the Rose Garden now with Emmanuel having a couple of smokes and flipping the Burgers coulped with a 12 pack of beer, declairing a great sunny day.

    Just my virtual thought of course.

  73. Jacqlyn Smith

    1] Debtors Prison Back in Business by Paul Drockton

    Excerpts: So, how does a Creditor, dealing in “unsecured” debt like credit cards, get the Court to enforce collection of a loan that has no collateral or enforcement provisions? 1. Credit Card companies sell bad debts for pennies on the dollar to law firms. Banks have insurance to cover these debts, and also benefit from the full write-off. They are, in essence, made whole.

    2. The legal firms do their best to get the consumer to validate the debt (admit that it is theirs) so that they can go to Court and obtain a Judgement. How a an unsecured debt, which has no enforceable payment provision, becomes a secure debt through a Court Order, remains one of life’s great mysteries.

    3. With Judgement in hand, lawyers are free to place a lien on homes, garnish wages and secure other assets, even though the creditor’s original agreement with the Credit Card company states very clearly that the debt was unsecured. Credit card companies offset their risk through higher interest rates on their products because they have no other way of guaranteeing payment! Unless, of course, they can prove fraud. Non-payment, by the way, is not fraud.

    4. The Legal firm will write off any debts at their full value (even though they only paid pennies on the dollar), thus making a profit on the write-off. They can also resell the debt to other law firms or collection agencies.

    5. By law, a credit card debt that goes unpaid should be removed from a person’s credit report after 7 years have passed since the last payment. Through reselling these debts and reporting as a new debtor, the collection agencies illegally take the original debt past the 7 year mark and can be sued by a consumer for damages under the Fair Credit Reporting Act. I have done this, and won.

    To throw an individual in prison for non-payment of an unsecured debt is one of the ultimate manifestations of criminal insanity. Especially since the original creditor has already been satisfied by insurance and write-offs, and the debt is “unsecured”. The result of this practice is ultimately forced labor camps and indentured servants, something that was done to the freed black slaves in the “Anti-Bellum” South and also in Medieval Europe.

    http://anticorruptionsociety.com/2010/07/24/who-is-working-on-our-injustice-system-part-1/

    http://www.moneyteachers.org/Debtor.Prison.html

    [2] Many refer to the positive outcome of the ‘Farm Claims’ effort as NESARA. Unfortunately an extensive disinformation campaign has been launced against that name, making it difficult for most to verify the details. However, this piece from a web site that has been shut down since I first posted it, seems to mirror Mr. Freck’s accounting as to the ‘Farm Claims’ and their outcome. The National Economic Security and Reformation Act

    http://anticorruptionsociety.com/national/natl-economic-security-reformation-act/

  74. Skip, skip, skip, skip…..

    Ah, good post and links Starla and Freespeech. I agree

  75. Free Speech

    SirWilliam // July 27, 2010 at 2:54 pm

    Freespeech.

    I am leaning for the acquittal myself. I think by the time the judge throws out the vast majority of it, due the prosecutions eairly resting, there will be nothing left for the jury to decide.

    Obummer is sitting in the Rose Garden now with Emmanuel having a couple of smokes and flipping the Burgers coulped with a 12 pack of beer, declairing a great sunny day.

    ****************************************
    I doubt it. rahm & bo sweating bullets right now. Reports about them being Gay and murdering their Gay lovers have on newstands across America for weeks.

    And now Junior is presenting criminal information against them in a highly publicized trial. No I don’t think rahm and bo are feeling real optimistic about their futures right now.

  76. Jacqlyn Smith

    Back to the Articles by Ron Holland….July 24, 2010

    http://www.thedailybell.com/1234/Ron-Holland-Back-To-the-Articles.html

  77. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    SirWilliam // July 27, 2010 at 2:57 pm

    Skip, skip, skip, skip…..

    Ah, good post and links Starla and Freespeech. I agree
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Yeah….keep that head in the sand….

    “The land of the free will cease to be when it’s no longer the home of the brave.”– Rick Gaber

  78. Jacqlyn Smith

    Lots of proof and good information here if you care to learn the truth and open your eyes to what many of us already know…..WAKE UP AMERICA….

    http://anticorruptionsociety.com/about/the-corporation-film-clips/

    ‘The Corporation’ – Film Clips

    by AL Whitney (C) copyright 2010 All Rights Reserved

    The corporate ‘business model’ (INC the BEAST) has become the biggest parasite on planet earth. Many people, especially those employed by corporations, have yet to wake up to this reality. To the BEAST all of its employees are merely ‘human resources’. Canadian film makers Mark Achbar, Jennifer Abbott and Joel Bakken, produced an award winning documentary, The Corporation, describing the nature of the BEAST and how many ways it is completely out of control.

  79. Free Speech

    “Adam: If Blago’s corrupt, why is he broke?

    After the lunch break, attorney Sam Adam Jr. picked up right where he left off… saying all the government had done was proved former Gov. Rod Blagojevich “used his American Express card for clothes.”

    To show you he paid for clothes out of his own pocket,” Adam said. “Not that Tony Rezko went over there and paid for his suits.”

    “If you’re corrupt, all you do is tell someone to pay the bill!”
    ******************************************

    If UR CORRUPT like bo you get Rezko, Auchi or some Muslim Terrorist to pay your bills for you.

  80. Interesting fact about Solicitor General Elena Kagan:

    Go to  http://www.supremecourt.gov

    At upper right hand corner, click on “Docket Files”, type in the words “obama kagan”.

    See the lawsuits Elena Kagan has stopped from going forward against Dingle Barry.

    I guess that’s why he nominated her to SCOTUS, yet another quid pro quo. . .

  81. “Judge Zagel Threatens To Hold Blagojevich Lawyer In Contempt; Attorney Vows To Go To Jail”

    By Sarah Ostman on July 26, 2010 4:19

    Reporting with Natasha Korecki, Dave McKinney and Abdon Pallasch

    Excerpt:

    “Zagel told Adam he could not tell jurors in his closing argument that the government had refused to call 35 witnesses named in the indictment, including Tony Rezko, Bill Quinlan and Stuart Levine.

    “I don’t want to get into the classic mode that if the facts are against you and the law is against you, then attack the opposing lawyer. That’s all you’re doing,” Zagel said. “The fact is, you cannot draw an evidentiary inference from the fact a witness was not called by the other side when you had an equal right to call them.”

    “I have been more deferential,” Adam responded, ‘but with all due deference to the court, I have a man here who’s arguing for his life … I can’t effectively represent this man … I can’t follow this order.'”

    The above report & many other
    Blagovjevich news reports are here:

    (Scroll Up & Down)

    http://blogs.suntimes.com/blago/

  82. Jacqlyn,

    My “No Loitering” for Jehovah Witnesses and RAP members is out.

    I am asking nicely for you not to address me.

    Thanks for your respectfull adherence.

  83. Free Speech

    On February 2, 1987, President Reagan nominated Zagel to be a judge on the United States District Court for the Northern District of Illinois. The United States Senate confirmed Zagel on April 21, 1987.

  84. Free Speech

    Zagel is allowing Junior to present a lot of criminal information against bo that can later be used by a Grand Jury to indict bo.

  85. Free Speech

    A major investigative advantage of the grand jury is its use of the subpoena ad testificandum, a court order directing a person to appear and testify before the grand jury. Moreover, as various courts have noted, the grand jury may utilize subpoena authority on no more substantial grounds than “tips” or rumors. This enables the grand jury to serve as “a grand inquest, a body with powers of investigation and inquisition, the scope of whose inquiries is not limited narrowly by questions of propriety or forecasts of the probable result of the investigation” (Blair v. United States, 250 U.S. 273, 282 (1919)).

  86. Free Speech

    Zagel has presided over many high-profile trials, including the 2007-2009 Family Secrets trial, which resulted in the convictions of multiple members of the Chicago Outfit, including of Joseph Lombardo, James Marcello and Frank Calabrese, Sr. He also presided over a lawsuit by atheists against the community of Zion, Illinois to get the town to remove all references to God from the town’s official seal and is presiding over federal criminal charges against Illinois power broker William Cellini. Zagel also has been presiding over one of two criminal cases against Tony Rezko.

  87. bob strauss

    JS, Will Sharron Angle beat Harry Reid in your end of the state? Up here in Reno people love Angle and are counting the days until the removal of Reid.

  88. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    SirWilliam // July 27, 2010 at 3:25 pm

    Jacqlyn,

    My “No Loitering” for Jehovah Witnesses and RAP members is out.

    I am asking nicely for you not to address me.

    Thanks for your respectfull adherence.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Who then were you addressing in your Skip….skip….comments…..and I will address you if and when I feel like it…..and I am always respectful….especially when it comes to revealing the truth and informing others of the proof and evidence you seem to believe is nowhere to be found!

    “A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one!” — Alexander Hamilton

  89. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    bob strauss // July 27, 2010 at 3:37 pm

    JS, Will Sharron Angle beat Harry Reid in your end of the state? Up here in Reno people love Angle and are counting the days until the removal of Reid.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Bob…..I have NO idea…..I’m not really involved in the US corporation games……many know they are two heads of one snake……she is probably the least of two evils but I don’t really care because it won’t be long before the snakes’ heads are dead and gone!

  90. Free Speech

    Has the blago trial been turned into a de facto public Grand Jury inquest of bo?

  91. Jacqlyn Smith

    Thanks Bob for the post….From Bob-in-TN says:

    “The Amish Don’t Get Autism but They Do Get Bio-Terrorism”

    Here’s more motivation for us to work tirelessly for the success of our new Republic.
    -Bob

    http://healthwyze.org/index.php/the-amish-dont-get-autism-but-they-do-get-bio-terrorism.html

    “People outside the alternative health community are often confused by the lack of autism in the Amish people. The Amish do not experience autism, or any of the other learning disabilities that plague our technological society. The Amish live in a society that consists of outdated technologies and ideals, by contemporary standards. Their diet consists of eating organic, fresh, locally-grown produce, and of course, they do not follow the established vaccination routines. To the dismay of the mainstream media and the medical establishment, this has resulted in a healthier people, that are void of all of our chronic diseases. Heart disease, cancer, and diabetes are virtually non-existent in Amish villages. Equally non-existent are modern, chemically-engineered medicines, enhanced (chemically-engineered) foods, G.M.O. foods, and of course, vaccines. How is it that those who are without the “miracles” of modern orthodox medicine are healthier? The truth about health, medicine, and how they both relate to the Amish is becoming an embarrassment to some rather powerful people.”

    More at link….

  92. Matry Didier

    Consider for a moment that you knew a lot of detail about an upcoming White House Coup linked to the most powerful people in the world who’s ambition was to turn our government into a Dictatorship with functions similar to what happened in Europe in WWII. Their ambition isn’t only the US but with a fascination to take over as a World Government.

    You would be only one person and yet there is this monster sized problem that needs many to help get the word out. What would you do? Considering you have this passion with personal values that force you to want to do something about it. How would you handle it?

    The WH Coup as I’ve mentioned many times is similar to what happened in “The Business Plot” 1933 only this time it is far more advanced and organized than back then.

    It’s people like Judge Andrew Napolitano who rise to the calling to “Do what is right!”. This makes all of us proud to know him. There are many others all who within their own area of expertise and skill levels want to do what is right even if it means they might be hunted down and killed. It’s a tough call but in our past, many have risen above to show their courage and strength to do what is right for the rest of us.

    The WH Coup is in trouble and so is their World wide effort for control as well. It isn’t over but signs are there showing something good is happening. Be patient. More is going to surface and some of it you won’t like. But the truth never hurts anyone, it heals!

    If you look around you can almost list out all of those who up to now have tried their best to do what is right! Many have lost their lives so we have to realize there is real danger in doing so. These are the people who will never be forgotten and are part of what we may see as a growing Team of strong leaders who will turn this problem around. Be part of the solution!

    Marty Didier
    Northbrook, IL

  93. Free Speech

    “As much as I like him, and as much as he’s loved around the world, this is a man who considered appointing Oprah Winfrey (to the U.S. Senate),” Adam said. “No one’s going to say he’s the sharpest knife in the drawer, but he’s not corrupt.”

  94. Here is some breaking news….

    “Utah’s Supreme Court on Tuesday reversed the convictions of Warren Jeffs, the former leader of a religious sect that practices polygamy, due to “serious errors” n instructions given to the jury in the original trial, The Salt Lake Tribune reported Saints (FLDS), will now face retrial for two counts of being an accomplice to Saints (FLDS), will now face retrial for two counts of being an accomplice to rape.

    Jeffs allegedly arranged and presided over a marriage between a member of the FLDS and the member’s 14-year-old cousin in 2001. of the FLDS and the member’s 14-year-old cousin in 2001 The court ruled that Judge James Shumate had erred when he rejected nstructions requiring the jury to determine if Jeffs knew non-consensual sex would occur within the marriage, and intended for it to occur. In doing so, the court said, Jeffs was deprived of a fair trial.”

  95. Free Speech

    Adam grew especially animated when it came to Patti Blagojevich and the allegation she was a ghost-payroller paid in order to pass illicit money to her husband.

    One witness, Michael Winter, had complained when Antoin “Tony” Rezko asked him to set up meetings for her, Adam told the jury. There was evidence Patti Blagojevich was scouting buildings and was under contract, he said.

    “Kickbacks for work is called a job, man, a job!” Adam shouted. “They proved up she was working.”

  96. Jacqlyn Smith

    Sad to report that Rod is in the hospital recovering from another bout with stress. Apparently, our intrepid warrior over extended himself over the past few weeks, so he’s taking a bit of recovery time. Our thoughts and prayers go out to him and his family !

    So, NO Ghostfighters Call tonight, Tues, July 27th – Don’t know about the Fri or Sat calls at this point. Look in your email box for other “Big List” announcements that may be forthcoming…if you get these emails as forwards, see the end of this email for info on joining the “Big List” !

    Please, DO NOT call Rod’s home for info, etc. We need to give him a rest !

    There is other info in this email, please read it !

    For info on the Aug 28th AIB Seminar
    with Rod Class and Carl Weston
    in Atlanta, GA !

    Go to

    http://rayservers.com/blog/aug-28-2010-aib-seminar-with-rod-class-and-carl-weston-atlanta-ga

  97. Free Speech

    He concluded by playing a snippet of a wiretap of Blagojevich speaking with Robert Greenlee, the former deputy governor whom Adam had earlier dismissed as a brownnosing weasel. This time, however, Adam told the jury to take heed of Greenlee’s recorded words, saying they perfectly summed up the government’s case.

    “It is very real if people want to take you down for political reasons,” Greenlee told Blagojevich. “They will use every power at their disposal.”

  98. Free Speech

    Turn out the lights the blago party-trial is over now. The prosecutor is putting the jury to sleep again.

  99. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    SirWilliam // July 27, 2010 at 3:59 pm

    Here is some breaking news….

    “Utah’s Supreme Court on Tuesday reversed the convictions of Warren Jeffs, the former leader of a religious sect that practices polygamy, due to “serious errors” n instructions given to the jury in the original trial, The Salt Lake Tribune reported Saints (FLDS), will now face retrial for two counts of being an accomplice to Saints (FLDS), will now face retrial for two counts of being an accomplice to rape.

    Jeffs allegedly arranged and presided over a marriage between a member of the FLDS and the member’s 14-year-old cousin in 2001. of the FLDS and the member’s 14-year-old cousin in 2001 The court ruled that Judge James Shumate had erred when he rejected nstructions requiring the jury to determine if Jeffs knew non-consensual sex would occur within the marriage, and intended for it to occur. In doing so, the court said, Jeffs was deprived of a fair trial.”
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Hey….your de facto government at work…..wonder who much the judge got paid to reverse the decision…….what are you going to do about it???? Let’s see your plan…..let’s hear your ideas!

  100. Freespeech,

    I think that’s why they call it “pay for play”…

  101. Free Speech

    “Schar said Adam talked about how Blagojevich had not been captured on wiretaps directly talking about shakedowns and pay-to-play schemes. In Schar’s view, the reason was that Blagojevich was a practiced communicator who knew how to get his point across without explicitly stating it.

    “He didn’t get twice elected as governor without knowing how to communicate,” Schar said”

    **********************************

    Is this gubmint lawyer a MORON or what? He played countless tapes of blago “communicating” “f_ckin” this & f_ckin” that and now the bozo tries to convince the jury that blago is “practiced communicator”

    To use Adam Jr’s words, “GIVE ME A BREAK!”

  102. Jacqlyn Smith // July 27, 2010 at 3:44 pm

    Thanks Bob for the post….From Bob-in-TN says:

    “The Amish Don’t Get Autism but They Do Get Bio-Terrorism”
    *************
    Very informative site in general, thanks guys.

  103. Jacqlyn Smith

    Don’t know if it is true…sure hope so….found at…

    http://nesaranews.blogspot.com/

    HOT HOT HOT NEWS —- BAD GUYS HAULED TO HAGUE
    Just relayed to me from a skype contact. The Bad Guys and Families (Wash DC, TX, Maine, NY) have been hauled to Hague World Court for arraignment and multiple charges of treason. And this includes O!

    Announcement from Hague Shortly!

  104. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    DABIG // July 27, 2010 at 4:26 pm

    Jacqlyn Smith // July 27, 2010 at 3:44 pm

    Thanks Bob for the post….From Bob-in-TN says:

    “The Amish Don’t Get Autism but They Do Get Bio-Terrorism”
    *************
    Very informative site in general, thanks guys.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    You are most welcome DABIG! :)

  105. Jacqlyn Smith

    I just had a thought…..if what John says is true about the arraignments…..I wonder if Chelsea Clinton will have to walk up the aisle alone this weekend??? Wouldn’t that be a shame!

  106. Freespeech,

    I believe the taped comments you are referring to was:

    “I (bleeping) busted my ass. I gave your (bleeping) baby health care. … What do I get for that? Only 13 percent of you think I’m doing a good job, so (bleep) all of you,” he said on federal tape.

    ***************************************

    Now in the pefrect fantacy utopia world, there is no sinners, no corruption, no man made disasters, and certainly everyone would make the absolute correct decission.

  107. Free Speech

    SirWilliam // July 27, 2010 at 4:39 pm

    Freespeech,

    I believe the taped comments you are referring to was:

    “I (bleeping) busted my ass. I gave your (bleeping) baby health care. … What do I get for that? Only 13 percent of you think I’m doing a good job, so (bleep) all of you,” he said on federal tape.

    ***************************************

    Now in the pefrect fantacy utopia world, there is no sinners, no corruption, no man made disasters, and certainly everyone would make the absolute correct decission.
    ************************************

    Yea the gubmint lawyers really showed what a great communicator blago was, didn’t they?

  108. Free Speech

    Rebuttle concludes; case will go to jury Wednesday

  109. Jacqlyn Smith

    Rough justice in America
    Too many laws, too many prisoners
    Never in the civilised world have so many been locked up for so little

    Jul 22nd 2010 | Spring, Texas

    http://www.economist.com/node/16636027

  110. Freespeech,

    Thank you for the play by play commentary. I look forward to the same tomorrow from you if you are able.

    I appreciate your thoughts today, well worth the wait to read.

    Thanks

  111. Free Speech

    SirWilliam // July 27, 2010 at 5:08 pm

    Freespeech,

    Thank you for the play by play commentary. I look forward to the same tomorrow from you if you are able.

    I appreciate your thoughts today, well worth the wait to read.

    Thanks
    ***********************************

    U R Welcome, SirWilliam

    http://www.wgntv.com/news/blagojevich/wgntv-blagojevich-defense-closing-july27,0,6329885.story

  112. Free Speech

    According to WGN Legal Expert, Jury was enthralled by Adam Jr’s closing.

  113. Jacqlyn Smith

    A very good read……

    http://disquietreservations.blogspot.com/2010/07/oath-breakers-and-age-of-treason.html

    July 25, 2010
    Oath Breakers and the Age of Treason
    “Patriotism,” said George Orwell, “has nothing to do with conservatism.” Love for one’s country is not right or left; it is not the sole province of the poor, or the rich; and it can be expressed in different ways. Benjamin Franklin gave voice to the spirit of patriotism when he said; “We must all hang together or we shall most assuredly all hang separately.” Today, patriotism is in need of greater allegiance than ever before. Almost all countries in the world, but especially America because it is the largest military power, are under the threat of a global dictatorial “new world order” that is being deceptively established as the coming together of nations in the interests of saving the planet, but in reality serves the interests of a private international banking cartel, and the global corporate elite. It is a war between two classes more than it is a war between two philosophies. Both sides, the nationalist patriots, and the globalist oligarchs, have much to gain, and lose.

    How did we get to this point in history? Telling the facts is complicated because they are not gossip material, and they are hidden from public discussion by the mainstream media, but once they are grasped, it is really quite simple to understand. Powerful elites have always dominated nations, from the Greeks to the modern world, and America is not an exception, but never have the top one percent of oligarchs acted so aggressively against the interests of the people.

    Since the end of WWII, America has been misdirected by its government controllers in the biggest way, and for the most evil designs. John F. Kennedy tried to change course, but he got shot in the head for it. It wasn’t pretty. Forty-seven years after his death, and there still isn’t any sense of national closure because his true murderers have not faced justice. In fact, they still rule America through the usual tricks of the trade: deception, secrecy, and fear. Largely unknown to them until now, the American people have suffered under a tyrannical and traitorous shadow corporate-state that killed their President, and which operates secretly behind a cowardly, and self-serving political class, in the name of “National Security.” High treason, war crimes, and state terror are the defining features of this “National Security State.” And it was created for purposes that are not much different from those of the Nazi regime; power, greed, and world domination for elite profits.

    In short, America was covertly overthrown by a tight-knit group of criminal insiders. The coup happened in stages, and achieved through deception, assassination, and terrorism. The seminal dates are 1913, when the private Federal Reserve Bank was established; 1963, which saw the assassination of a real and independent president; and 2000, the beginning of the Bush Administration and the reign of the neoconservatives, who got into power by stealing the election.

    From the fifties onward, with the honorable exception of John F. Kennedy’s brief reign as President, the American people have been treated as slaves, and held hostage by their much despised government, public representatives, and shadow rulers. No more a constitutional republic, America became a totalitarian “top secret” empire that is guilty of the invasion and occupation of two innocent countries in the Middle East, and is waging the largest illegal war in history, a “war on freedom” disguised as a “war on terrorism.”

    Outlandish language like the “war on terrorism” is the norm in Orwellian America, where everything is the reverse of what government leaders say. The “Patriot Act” of 2001 is actually the “Traitor Act.” The war on terrorism is the war on freedom; the 9/11 investigation is the 9/11 cover up; Israel’s acts of self-defense are in reality acts of criminal aggression; the financial collapse is the financial heist and con; hope and change is more of the same; national security is national tyranny; a new world order is the last vestiges of an old world’s chaos. But the truth matters little, and instead, lies are cherished. Like sheep, the people are deceived into loving the traitors, and fearing the patriots.

    Mass propaganda, secrecy, and deception are the linchpins of the NSS. The American people are denied the full knowledge of the shadow government’s crimes and lies, and since they lack foresight, knowledge of the past, and historical imagination, many of them can’t anticipate future deceptions, and future acts of state terror by their two-faced criminal leaders. But that is changing, as more people in America and around the world are waking up, and starting to see the great political crisis that hangs over America, and indeed, all of mankind.

    The times we’re living in are so tense that I can hardly sleep at night. Civilization is threatened by the presence of lunatic criminals in the highest positions of power in America, England, Israel, and Iran. For Iranians, resisting the crazy Mullahs isn’t easy. And for Americans, resisting the Transnational Tyrannical State also won’t be easy. It has many resources, and lots of faithful idiots who don’t mind following orders.

    It will require mass civil disobedience in America, and the threat of nation-wide citizen revolt, to get rid of the tyrants and traitors that are in the highest levels of the country’s government, banks, media, and corporations. To organize such a resistance not just in America, but in all Western nations, means dropping the labels of “conservative” and “liberal,” ignoring petty ideological differences, and sacrificing our individual egos for the greater good – a free country, and a free world. So far, very few groups have emerged with this view in mind. Oath Keepers is one of them. It is a bipartisan and patriotic organization that includes active-duty soldiers, veterans, National Guard, police officers, fire fighters, and regular citizens who are determined to take back America from the tyrants and traitors, and reestablish the republic on the ruins of a collapsing empire.

    On April 19, 2009, members of the Oath Keepers commemorated the first revolutionary war by reciting their oath to support, and defend the Constitution, and promising to never obey unlawful orders. The video of them raising their hands, and declaring that they will follow their conscience, and protect the Constitution is very inspiring, and moving, which is why I was so angry when Mother Jones magazine sought to discredit, and tarnish the image of the Oath Keepers in an article written by Justine Sharrock called, “Oath Keepers and the Age of Treason.” In response to that article, I wrote “10 Reasons Why Progressives Should Support Oath Keepers.” Due to government brainwashing, some people actually need to be reminded that those who break their oaths are the traitors, and those who keep them are the patriots. You think it would be obvious. But it’s not. A lot of Americans are still in deep denial about the dangerous state of the country, and the criminality of their leaders who have betrayed them, and forsaken the grand experiment that is America.

    In his classic book, “The Rape of the Mind” Dutch-American psychoanalyst Joost A.M. Meerloo wrote about the denial of hardcore facts in totalitarian societies:

    “Modern psychology has taught us how strongly the mental mechanism of denial of reality works. The eye bypasses external occurrences when the mind does not want them to happen. Secondary justifications and fantasies are formed to support and explain these denials. In Totalitaria we find the same despising of reality facts as we do in schizophrenia. How else are we to explain the fact that Hitler was still moving his armies on paper after they were already defeated?”

    The left-leaning individuals that fear, and hate the Oath Keepers because they are “conspiratorial,” and “intellectually backward” are either fools, or cowards. They view the Oath Keepers as “right-wing” who only want Obama out of the White House. But that’s not true. They are interested in fixing larger issues, and ending illegal spying, torture, and other government abuses which reflect the breakdown of the rule of law in Washington D.C. And they understand that both parties are responsible for the mess that America is in. Oath Keepers put the country and the constitution above any party or person. The group’s success is a strong indication that the traditional left-right identities are now meaningless. A significant number of Americans have acquired a new political consciousness that is surfacing in groups like Oath Keepers. They shun both the Democrats, and Republicans, and make room for small political disagreements because they care about reestablishing the rule of law, and saving the country. What matters to them is the truth, freedom, and justice; not petty partisan issues.

    George Orwell recognized the lack of bleeding-heart patriotism in many leftist “yuppie” intellectuals not as a virtue, but a fault. In his essay “My Country Right or Left,” he wrote:

    “I grew up in an atmosphere tinged with militarism, and afterwards I spent five boring years within the sound of bugles. To this day it gives me a faint feeling of sacrilege not to stand to attention during ‘God save the King.’ That is childish , of course, but I would sooner have had that kind of upbringing than be like the left-wing intellectuals who are so ‘enlightened’ that they cannot understand the most ordinary emotions. It is exactly the people whose hearts have never leapt at the sight of a Union Jack who will flinch from revolution when the moment comes,” (My Country Right or Left, Orwell’s Essays, pg. 137).

    The conservatives who religiously supported President Bush even while the rest of the country saw him for the traitor that he is are probably the ones who will sacrifice themselves to save their country if, and when they wake up and realize that the real enemies of America are not in Afghanistan, or Iraq, or Iran, but in Washington, and Tel Aviv. They have a lot of passion in their hearts, and love their country. The problem is that they are politically dumb, and very gullible. But they are not hopeless. And neither are left-leaning progressives who like to demean traditional conservatives rather than understand their views. Both sides are victims of brainwashing, the conservatives are under the hypnosis of Fox News, and the progressives follow the Democrat party wherever it leads them.

    I am optimistic that conservatives, progressives, libertarians, and independents will come together to form a wide political tent to help America ride the apocalyptic storm of economic collapse, foreign wars, and internal political turmoil. The American dream is worth saving. The Republic wasn’t perfect, but it beats tyranny, and anarchy. Freedom is worth fighting, and dying for. And after the war is won, once the new world order is defeated, when the songs of patriots are sung, and traitors hung, we can truly enjoy the gifts of this life. But not until then.

    ‘Though those that are betrayed Do feel the treason sharply, yet the traitor Stands in worse case of woe.’
    – William Shakespeare

  114. Freespeech,

    Before I head off….

    I wished you would have been in front of a mic today calling the judical plays on this trial.

    It most certainly would have been better than listening to the Vols v. Florida game on the radio. And that is exicting. You would have been better.

  115. Free Speech

    ““As much as I like him, and as much as he’s loved around the world, this is a man who considered appointing Oprah Winfrey (to the U.S. Senate),” Adam said. “No one’s going to say he’s the sharpest knife in the drawer, but he’s not corrupt.”

    I can’t imagine that Adam would make this statement unless his jury experts told him he had a majority of jurors who had unfavorable opinions of bo & oprah.

  116. Free Speech – I agree with what Sir William said,
    “I appreciate your thoughts today, well worth the wait to read.”

    You have a perspective that most of us do not have.

  117. Free Speech

    SirWilliam // July 27, 2010 at 5:47 pm

    Freespeech,

    Before I head off….

    I wished you would have been in front of a mic today calling the judical plays on this trial.

    It most certainly would have been better than listening to the Vols v. Florida game on the radio. And that is exicting. You would have been better.
    *************************************

    Thanks SW. My first career was as a TV producer so I enjoy doing play by play reporting. Glad you found it informative.

  118. Free Speech

    Free Speech – I agree with what Sir William said,
    “I appreciate your thoughts today, well worth the wait to read.”

    You have a perspective that most of us do not have.
    ***********************************

    U R welcome, Cabby.

  119. Cabby AZ!!!

    I was just about to drop you a line and said, nah.. Cabby is buzy and away..

    In any event, I would like to discuss what I have been working on in your State over the last few weeks. I cannot go into too much detail here, but we certainly can figure something out.

    I need to run, time to eat and I may check back later tonight. If not, in the wee hours of the morn.

    I miss your often posts Cabby.

    Take care…

  120. Free Speech

    “… the grand jury may utilize subpoena authority on no more substantial grounds than “tips” or rumors.”

    Grand Jurors throughout the Nation have loads of “tips” now after the blago trial and the Globe Articles, not to mention all the great reporting here at CW.

  121. Jacqlyn Smith

    http://anticorruptionsociety.com/2010/07/26/who-is-working-on-our-injustice-system-part-2/

    Are you ready for a REAL change?

    One that our current corrupt two-party (Hatfield & McCoy type)

    political system will never provide?

    Last week some extremely signficant events took place in our country. For the most part these ‘happenings and declarations’ went undetected by the VAST majority of the population. However, as Margaret Mead once said; “A small group of thoughtful people can change the world. Indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.”

    Many people have known for many years that psychopathic (satanist) international banksters have been moving to take control of the United States, its government, its people and all of its resources. [1] In fact these psychopaths want global control of everyone and everything. Competent governments that ‘serve’ the people stand in their way, so they have been systematically controlling or destroying these governments around the globe. The best (well documented) introduction to their ‘agenda’ is the video TheMoneyMasters.[2]

  122. Jacqlyn Smith

    http://anticorruptionsociety.com/2010/07/26/who-is-working-on-our-injustice-system-part-2/

    In the 80′s U.S. farmers sought remedy from our courts when the banksters orchestrated a ‘farm-grab’. The farmers won a most-significant Supreme Court decision in the 90s. Their settlements, Farm Claims, included recognition of the bankster’s created defacto government and initiated sweeping changes toward restoring Constitutional government.[3]

    http://anticorruptionsociety.com/national/farm-claims/

  123. Jacqlyn Smith

    http://anticorruptionsociety.com/2010/07/26/who-is-working-on-our-injustice-system-part-2/

    In 2009 Rodney Class and Carl Weston filed a lawsuit in the District of Columbia exposing the fraud the corporate U.S. government, the banksters, and their ‘minions’ had created. The DALE, RODNEY Vs UNITED STATES lawsuit is a bold masterfully put together legal action to expose what has transpired and seek a ‘remedy’ – again.[4]

    http://anticorruptionsociety.com/national/dale-rodney-vs-united-states/

  124. Jacqlyn Smith

    http://anticorruptionsociety.com/2010/07/26/who-is-working-on-our-injustice-system-part-2/

    Early in 2010, the Restore America Plan was launched with the Guardian Elders representing those that had been working for many years on restoring our Constitution.

    http://www.republicoftheunitedstates.org/

  125. Free Speech

    Sam Adam Sr. on why blago did not testify.

  126. Jacqlyn Smith

    http://anticorruptionsociety.com/2010/07/26/who-is-working-on-our-injustice-system-part-2/

    On July 20 Rodney Class shared extremely valuable and important information on his regular TalkShoe broadcast:

    * Our ‘government’ has become extremely detrimental to the American population and is actually dangerous to our health. (0:34 min) [See Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars - link in footnotes.]
    * Class and Weston revealed that after presenting the Chair of the House of Representatives Judicial Committee, John Conyers (D-MI) with proof of massive judicial misconduct across the country, Conyers responded by introducing and getting passed legislation to grant immunity to U.S. Judges. (0:29 min)
    * The U.S. Coast Guard was told to ignore DALE Vs UNITED STATES (1:25 min) per instructions from the Obama Administration. In response Class and Weston filed another action, this time targeting the U.S. Congress.
    * Administrative and non-citizens legal actions to restore the rights of Americans and/or to hold public agencies accountable were no longer working.
    * Rodney Class agreed to serve on the Restore America Plan ‘executive’ committee and help their efforts and their De Jeur Grand Juries. He explained that the implementation of the Constitutional restoration plan required an interim government and a public announcement of their efforts. (0:20 min) [Darryl Freck said the same on July 2, 2010.]

    Here is an edited version of the July 20th Class/Weston TalkShoe broadcast[6]: Class/Weston TalkShoe 7-20-10 (1:19 min) where Rodney talks about his legal efforts, the RAP interim government, RAP Elder Tim Turner, and opportunities for people participation.(2:04 min) THIS IN AN EXTREMELY IMPORTANT AND INFORMATIVE INTERVIEW.

  127. Free Speech

    Sam Adam Jr. the government’s case is “nonexistant.”

  128. Free Speech

    http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/category/nashville

    A major investigative advantage of the grand jury is its use of the subpoena ad testificandum, a court order directing a person to appear and testify before the grand jury. Moreover, as various courts have noted, the grand jury may utilize subpoena authority on no more substantial grounds than “tips” or rumors. This enables the grand jury to serve as “a grand inquest, a body with powers of investigation and inquisition, the scope of whose inquiries is not limited narrowly by questions of propriety or forecasts of the probable result of the investigation” (Blair v. United States, 250 U.S. 273, 282 (1919)).

    For information on Crimes committed by the BHO campaign:

    http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/category/nashville

  129. Jacqlyn Smith

    Twenty-Five Rules of Disinformation

    Note: The first rule and last five (or six, depending on situation) rules are generally not directly within the ability of the traditional disinfo artist to apply. These rules are generally used more directly by those at the leadership, key players, or planning level of the criminal conspiracy or conspiracy to cover up.

    1. Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil. Regardless of what you know, don’t discuss it — especially if you are a public figure, news anchor, etc. If it’s not reported, it didn’t happen, and you never have to deal with the issues.

    Example: Media was present in the courtroom (Hunt vs. Liberty Lobby) when CIA agent Marita Lorenz ‘confession’ testimony regarding CIA direct participation in the planning and assassination of John Kennedy was revealed. All media reported was that E. Howard Hunt lost his libel case against Liberty Lobby (Liberty Lobby’s newspaper, The Spotlight, had reported Hunt was in Dallas that day and were sued for the story). See Mark Lane’s remarkable book, Plausible Denial, for the full confessional transcript.

    Proper response: There is no possible response unless you are aware of the material and can make it public yourself.. In any such attempt, be certain to target any known silent party as likely complicit in a cover up. In this case, it would be the entire Time-Warner Media Group, among others. This author is relatively certain that reporters were hand-picked to cover this case from among those having intelligence community ties.

  130. Jacqlyn Smith

    Something done here quite often by the deniers of the truth….

    2. Become incredulous and indignant. Avoid discussing key issues and instead focus on side issues which can be used show the topic as being critical of some otherwise sacrosanct group or theme. This is also known as the ‘How dare you!’ gambit.

    Example: ‘How dare you suggest that the Branch Davidians were murdered! the FBI and BATF are made up of America’s finest and best trained law enforcement, operate under the strictest of legal requirements, and are under the finest leadership the President could want to appoint.’

    Proper response: You are avoiding the Waco issue with disinformation tactics. Your high opinion of FBI is not founded in fact. All you need do is examine Ruby Ridge and any number of other examples, and you will see a pattern of abuse of power that demands attention to charges against FBI/BATF at Waco. Why do you refuse to address the issues with disinformation tactics (rule 2 – become incredulous and indignant)?

  131. Jacqlyn Smith

    FS is good at this one…..

    3. Create rumor mongers. Avoid discussing issues by describing all charges, regardless of venue or evidence, as mere rumors and wild accusations. Other derogatory terms mutually exclusive of truth may work as well. This method which works especially well with a silent press, because the only way the public can learn of the facts are through such ‘arguable rumors’. If you can associate the material with the Internet, use this fact to certify it a ‘wild rumor’ from a ‘bunch of kids on the Internet’ which can have no basis in fact.

    ‘You can’t prove his material was legitimately from French Intelligence. Pierre Salinger had a chance to show his ‘proof’ that flight 800 was brought down by friendly fire, and he didn’t. All he really had was the same old baseless rumor that’s been floating around the Internet for months.’

    Proper response: You are avoiding the issue with disinformation tactics. The Internet charge reported widely is based on a single FBI interview statement to media and a similar statement by a Congressman, neither of which had actually seen Pierre’s document. As the FBI is being accused in participating in a cover up of this matter and Pierre claims his material is not Internet sourced, it is natural that FBI would have reason to paint his material in a negative light. For you to assume the FBI to have no bias in the face of Salinger’s credentials and unchanged stance suggests you are biased. At the best you can say the matter is in question. Further, to imply that material found on Internet is worthless is not founded. At best you may say it must be considered carefully before accepting it, which will require addressing the actual issues. Why do you refuse to address these issues with disinformation tactics (rule 3 – create rumor mongers)?

  132. Jacqlyn Smith

    Several RAP bashers on this blog use this tactic on a regular basis!

    4. Use a straw man. Find or create a seeming element of your opponent’s argument which you can easily knock down to make yourself look good and the opponent to look bad. Either make up an issue you may safely imply exists based on your interpretation of the opponent/opponent arguments/situation, or select the weakest aspect of the weakest charges. Amplify their significance and destroy them in a way which appears to debunk all the charges, real and fabricated alike, while actually avoiding discussion of the real issues.

    Example: When trying to defeat reports by the Times of London that spy-sat images reveal an object racing towards and striking flight 800, a straw man is used. The disinformationalist, later identified as having worked for Naval Intelligence, simply stated: ‘If these images exist, the public has not seen them. Why? They don’t exist, and never did. You have no evidence and thus, your entire case falls flat.’

    Proper response: ‘You are avoiding the issue with disinformation tactics. You imply deceit and deliberately establish an impossible and unwarranted test. It is perfectly natural that the public has not seen them, nor will they for some considerable time, if ever. To produce them would violate national security with respect to intelligence gathering capabilities and limitations, and you should know this. Why do you refuse to address the issues with such disinformation tactics (rule 4 – use a straw man)?’

  133. Free Speech

    Mark Levine: “The possibility of impeachment does not immunize the president from criminal prosecution. He remains, at all times, a citizen of the United States who is answerable to the law.”

    Justice Antonin Scalia: “…In fact, the whole theory of its (the Grand Jury) function is that it belongs to no branch of the institutional Government, serving as a kind of buffer or referee between the Government and the people.”

    You see our Founding Fathers never intended for us to be lorded over by corrupt criminals in the White House and Congress. To the contrary, our Founding Fathers intended for We the People to have control over our Government and our politicians.

    That is one of the primary reasons that they bestowed upon us that extraordinary Bill of Rights which provided for the Grand Jury System controlled by the people not the politicians.

    In our Founding Fathers’ prescient wisdom, they designed a Grand Jury System in which no man, not even the President of the United States, is above the Law.

  134. Free Speech

    *

    A major investigative advantage of the grand jury is its use of the subpoena ad testificandum, a court order directing a person to appear and testify before the grand jury. Moreover, as various courts have noted, the grand jury may utilize subpoena authority on no more substantial grounds than “tips” or rumors. This enables the grand jury to serve as “a grand inquest, a body with powers of investigation and inquisition, the scope of whose inquiries is not limited narrowly by questions of propriety or forecasts of the probable result of the investigation” (Blair v. United States, 250 U.S. 273, 282 (1919)).

    For information on Crimes committed by the BHO campaign:

    http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/category/nashville

  135. Jacqlyn Smith

    This is a common tactic used here against RAP supporters and especially me by you RAP bashers including and not limited to FS, CC, SW, CAB, PAX, HF, etc……

    5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary ‘attack the messenger’ ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as ‘kooks’, ‘right-wing’, ‘liberal’, ‘left-wing’, ‘terrorists’, ‘conspiracy buffs’, ‘radicals’, ‘militia’, ‘racists’, ‘religious fanatics’, ‘sexual deviates’, and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.

    Example: ‘You believe what you read in the Spotlight? The Publisher, Willis DeCarto, is a well-known right-wing racist. I guess we know your politics — does your Bible have a swastika on it? That certainly explains why you support this wild-eyed, right-wing conspiracy theory.’

    Proper response: ‘You are avoiding the issue with disinformation tactics. Your imply guilt by association and attack truth on the basis of the messenger. The Spotlight is well known Populist media source responsible for releasing facts and stories well before mainstream media will discuss the issues through their veil of silence. Willis DeCarto has successfully handled lawsuits regarding slanderous statements such as yours. Your undemonstrated charges against the messenger have nothing to do with the facts or the issues, and fly in the face of reason. Why do you refuse to address the issues by use of such disinformation tactics (rule 5 – sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule)?’

    More tactics to follow…..I will let you all soak in the first 5….that is if you have the courage to see the truth!

  136. Jacqlyn Smith

    I guess the US corporation won’t be needing all these banks soon….

    http://www.kcci.com/money/24173467/detail.html

    WEST DES MOINES, Iowa –
    A plan by Wells Fargo to cut 3,800 jobs nationwide could mean more than 1,000 job cuts here in Iowa.

    Wells Fargo & Company announced Wednesday that it would cut 3,800 jobs this year as part of a restructuring plan for its Wells Fargo Financial division.

    (continue reading at link above)

  137. Jacqlyn Smith

    Are you still asleep????

  138. Free Speech

    This video has a artist sketch of 7 of the Jurors in the blago trial.

  139. SirWilliam // July 27, 2010 at 2:17 pm

    nJ native,

    Not that I am interested in getting into a straw-man arguement with you, (yes, this is what it is) there are possibly a few things you may wish to consider. I say that lightly as I will not flood this post with legal doctines, its ramifications (negatively or otherwise) as more books over the decades can be qouted from than you or I care to reference and quote. This is not the place to discuss such in depth historical analysis.

    ****************************************

    ROFL…

    Tghis is all you have to offer? you have really displayed no intelletual integrity regarding a very important issue.

    I am definitely not conducting a straw man argument. I give two specific citings and what do you offer? A dissertation about the many legal documents that could potentially be presented, et.al. Are you kidding? ALL I’M ASKING FOR IS ONE!

    As to this comment:
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    Lastly, for those that advocate that the United States is “not sovereign enough” and propose overthowing it with their usurptation form, are no better than the individual we are currently trying to get out. Replace one with the other is a redundant ideolgy and boarders insane.

    Enough said. Sign out. “No Loitering”.
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    I presume aussie still can not back up his statement but I am sure he appreciates your jumping in to his defense. I however have posted two references that show that the USA has already been formed as a corporation and is now ruled by international bankers. so now how are you responding to my references? Of course with a non-response because there isnt one to give.

    As far as NO LOITERING,

    LOL, i say YOU’RE BUSTED.

    Sorry for the rest of the readers here. In the future there will be no arguments between me and them. Rather I hope you look at the posts I present and view the back-up information that I will always provide. For everyone that wants to return to a constitutional republic, so do I. I have not witnessed anyone involved in any movement twords a constitutional republic as acting to usurp (? a curious term). These are all people spending hours and years of their life sacrificing for this country and I hope some recognize their efforts. More on this later.

  140. Free Speech

    There’s plenty of criminal info about you & Rezko for Grand Jurors to Indict you now, bo.

  141. Free Speech

    Adam Sr

  142. Free Speech

    Adam Jr

  143. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    I wonder what a good ‘rule’ is for people who drink koolaid and then badger others with twisted conspiracy theories?

  144. Jacqlyn Smith

    nJ native….please see the first 5 tactics I posted preivously…..some of them are being employed here to take away from the truth and to continue the disinformation……continue with the truth my friend and let the information flow…..many come here a read but don’t comment so any truth will move forward even though there are some here trying to stifle reality and the seriousness of what is at hand…..WHO THE HELL CARES WHAT HAPPENS TO BLAGO WHEN WE HAVE A NATION TO SAVE!!! WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!!

  145. Jacqlyn Smith // July 27, 2010 at 6:40 pm

    You spend an inordinate amount of time spinning yarn about things that don’t matter. Present your information and let people review it and come to their own conclusions.

    People aren’t attack you or your ideas as much as your presentation style. I imagine that you have spent a fair amount of time in your life finding scapegoats to your own personal existence.

    Most of us here are fairly well rounded individuals who have not gone through the turmoil that you have gone through personally (BK; fight with former employer over disability). Just my perspective here, but you need to learn to live your life more in balance. Maybe get some excersize, take a walk, eat healthy, get some sleep and put the computer away for a while to really contemplate the words that you choose to use with others.

    In addition, most don’t want to usurp our whole system of governance. We want to work through the framework of our Constitution and laws to correct the misdeeds of our government. We understand that the system is broken.

    Yes, I believe even perhaps some of the wrongs that RAP comments on, just not their solutions. But you are a very poor messenger and play right into the hands of critics who would call all of us nuts because of our loose association.

  146. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) // July 27, 2010 at 7:39 pm

    I wonder what a good ‘rule’ is for people who drink koolaid and then badger others with twisted conspiracy theories?
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    nj…notice how CC and some of this person’s followers like to employ tactic #%….they use it on a regular basis….

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary ‘attack the messenger’ ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as ‘kooks’, ‘right-wing’, ‘liberal’, ‘left-wing’, ‘terrorists’, ‘conspiracy buffs’, ‘radicals’, ‘militia’, ‘racists’, ‘religious fanatics’, ‘sexual deviates’, and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.

    Example: ‘You believe what you read in the Spotlight? The Publisher, Willis DeCarto, is a well-known right-wing racist. I guess we know your politics — does your Bible have a swastika on it? That certainly explains why you support this wild-eyed, right-wing conspiracy theory.’

    Proper response: ‘You are avoiding the issue with disinformation tactics. Your imply guilt by association and attack truth on the basis of the messenger. The Spotlight is well known Populist media source responsible for releasing facts and stories well before mainstream media will discuss the issues through their veil of silence. Willis DeCarto has successfully handled lawsuits regarding slanderous statements such as yours. Your undemonstrated charges against the messenger have nothing to do with the facts or the issues, and fly in the face of reason. Why do you refuse to address the issues by use of such disinformation tactics (rule 5 – sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule)?’

    More tactics to follow…..I will let you all soak in the first 5….that is if you have the courage to see the truth!

  147. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    Paxson // July 27, 2010 at 7:42 pm

    Jacqlyn Smith // July 27, 2010 at 6:40 pm

    You spend an inordinate amount of time spinning yarn about things that don’t matter. Present your information and let people review it and come to their own conclusions.

    People aren’t attack you or your ideas as much as your presentation style. I imagine that you have spent a fair amount of time in your life finding scapegoats to your own personal existence.

    Most of us here are fairly well rounded individuals who have not gone through the turmoil that you have gone through personally (BK; fight with former employer over disability). Just my perspective here, but you need to learn to live your life more in balance. Maybe get some excersize, take a walk, eat healthy, get some sleep and put the computer away for a while to really contemplate the words that you choose to use with others.

    In addition, most don’t want to usurp our whole system of governance. We want to work through the framework of our Constitution and laws to correct the misdeeds of our government. We understand that the system is broken.

    Yes, I believe even perhaps some of the wrongs that RAP comments on, just not their solutions. But you are a very poor messenger and play right into the hands of critics who would call all of us nuts because of our loose association.
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    nj…..
    This one employees a combination of tactic….specifically #2, 4 &5…..

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    2. Become incredulous and indignant. Avoid discussing key issues and instead focus on side issues which can be used show the topic as being critical of some otherwise sacrosanct group or theme. This is also known as the ‘How dare you!’ gambit.

    4. Use a straw man. Find or create a seeming element of your opponent’s argument which you can easily knock down to make yourself look good and the opponent to look bad. Either make up an issue you may safely imply exists based on your interpretation of the opponent/opponent arguments/situation, or select the weakest aspect of the weakest charges. Amplify their significance and destroy them in a way which appears to debunk all the charges, real and fabricated alike, while actually avoiding discussion of the real issues.

    5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary ‘attack the messenger’ ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as ‘kooks’, ‘right-wing’, ‘liberal’, ‘left-wing’, ‘terrorists’, ‘conspiracy buffs’, ‘radicals’, ‘militia’, ‘racists’, ‘religious fanatics’, ‘sexual deviates’, and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.

  148. Jacqlyn Smith // July 27, 2010 at 7:50 pm

    Get a grip on yourself and quit playing the victim. I’m about out of this site because of all of your nonsense.

  149. Jacqlyn Smith

    Tactic #6 is quite often used my Paxson here and a few others……

    6. Hit and Run. In any public forum, make a brief attack of your opponent or the opponent position and then scamper off before an answer can be fielded, or simply ignore any answer. This works extremely well in Internet and letters-to-the-editor environments where a steady stream of new identities can be called upon without having to explain criticism reasoning — simply make an accusation or other attack, never discussing issues, and never answering any subsequent response, for that would dignify the opponent’s viewpoint.

    Example: ”This stuff is garbage. Where do you conspiracy lunatics come up with this crap? I hope you all get run over by black helicopters.’ Notice it even has a farewell sound to it, so it won’t seem curious if the author is never heard from again.

    Proper response: ‘You are avoiding the issue with disinformation tactics. Your comments or opinions fail to offer any meaningful dialog or information, and are worthless except to pander to emotionalism, and in fact, reveal you to be emotionally insecure with these matters. If you do not like reading ‘this crap’, why do you frequent this NG which is clearly for the purpose of such discussion? Why do you refuse to address the issues by use of such disinformation tactics (rule 6 – hit and run)?’

  150. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    Paxson // July 27, 2010 at 8:04 pm

    Jacqlyn Smith // July 27, 2010 at 7:50 pm

    Get a grip on yourself and quit playing the victim. I’m about out of this site because of all of your nonsense.
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    Yep….what did I tell you…..tactic #6

  151. Paxson,

    Certainly it would not have anything to do with the postings over and over again, the links, the vids, and each is flooded within a matter of a few min. Apart.

    Now anyone can certainly understand that it is nothing more than a paste and post with a simple intent. It is not to engage, but rather overwhelm, thus claiming an ego victory. It is sicking and pathtic.
    Therefore ignored.

  152. Jacqlyn Smith // July 27, 2010 at 8:09 pm

    No tactic #6, JS. I am telling you point black that you appear to have lost your marbles and it is absolutely unpleasant to have you around. You are irrational, nasty, mean spirited, appear to have lost your grip on reality and I have to say it, not the sharpest pencil in the box. It is a very bad combination. ( I can’t speak for anybody else, but I’m assuming that I am not alone here) .

  153. point blank..not black.

  154. Jacqlyn Smith

    Paxson says…..

    In addition, most don’t want to usurp our whole system of governance. We want to work through the framework of our Constitution and laws to correct the misdeeds of our government. We understand that the system is broken.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    This is the only section of Paxson’s comment where he/she starts to engage then backs off and resorts to this….

    Paxson says….

    Yes, I believe even perhaps some of the wrongs that RAP comments on, just not their solutions. But you are a very poor messenger and play right into the hands of critics who would call all of us nuts because of our loose association.
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    See how this person combining the tactics of disinformation…..

    Well Paxson….where is your Plan…..where are your ideas…..you are good at criticizing others and yet you fail to offer anything real or of substance to solve the problems at hand….come on….we Patirots are waiting to follow your lead!

  155. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Remember how the Tea Party has been taken to task lately as regards their inability to purge their own ranks of “racists”?

    Remember how some have complained that advocacy groups like the NAACP have not purged their own ranks of “radicals”.

    And we all complain frequently that if there really is such a thing as a Moderate Islam, they have no demonstrated ability to purge their own ranks of “extremists”.

    And of course there is a big issue of moderate liberals being unable to purge their own ranks of “progressives AKA socialists”.

    It therefore seems to be accepted and anticipated modern practice that all groups need an identity and a focus and are required to take it upon themselves to police their own fringes.

    Some of us here try in a confrontive manner, others of us are of the opinion that ignoring them is the best approach, in the end.

    But the only surefire solution is the bully pulpit of the group leader (in this case, the blog owner). Perhaps it is time again for CW to fumigate his blog again.

    It doesn’t even need to be hostile – simply a statement that certain topics (and even perhaps certain people) are off-center to the desired focus of this blog. In the America we used to have and in the America we want, they have the right to speak their mind, but not necessarily here. There are plenty of other blogs – some indeed even focused on the disruptive topics some want to bring here.

  156. Jacqlyn Smith // July 27, 2010 at 8:16 pm

    No, JS. I’m done.

  157. Nj native,

    You are correct. Now, tell me and all others your step by step plan to restore the absolute sovereignty of American. 100 percent full proof, no links, no vids.

    I and others are the ones you are trying to convence – therefore don’t tell to prove you are incorrect – tell us the solution. Step by step.

    Cabby, shoot me in the morning….

    Nj native, you have the floor

  158. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    SirWilliam // July 27, 2010 at 8:10 pm

    Paxson,

    Certainly it would not have anything to do with the postings over and over again, the links, the vids, and each is flooded within a matter of a few min. Apart.

    Now anyone can certainly understand that it is nothing more than a paste and post with a simple intent. It is not to engage, but rather overwhelm, thus claiming an ego victory. It is sicking and pathtic.
    Therefore ignored.
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    Hi nj native……here again is a commenter with intent to silence the truth also…..he is very good at using tactic #6…

    6. Hit and Run. In any public forum, make a brief attack of your opponent or the opponent position and then scamper off before an answer can be fielded, or simply ignore any answer. This works extremely well in Internet and letters-to-the-editor environments where a steady stream of new identities can be called upon without having to explain criticism reasoning — simply make an accusation or other attack, never discussing issues, and never answering any subsequent response, for that would dignify the opponent’s viewpoint.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Why not discuss the issues at hand SW….God knows I have posted plenty of good info to delve into but again you would rather encourage folks to run the other way or even worse…..never become educated to the truth…. most folks will see through your shallowness very quickly once they are aware of the tactics you and your fellow agents here are using!

  159. Free Speech

    Paxson // July 27, 2010 at 8:13 pm

    Jacqlyn Smith // July 27, 2010 at 8:09 pm

    No tactic #6, JS. I am telling you point black that you appear to have lost your marbles and it is absolutely unpleasant to have you around. You are irrational, nasty, mean spirited, appear to have lost your grip on reality and I have to say it, not the sharpest pencil in the box. It is a very bad combination. ( I can’t speak for anybody else, but I’m assuming that I am not alone here) .

    ***************************************

    Agree 100%

  160. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    Paxson // July 27, 2010 at 8:13 pm

    Jacqlyn Smith // July 27, 2010 at 8:09 pm

    No tactic #6, JS. I am telling you point black that you appear to have lost your marbles and it is absolutely unpleasant to have you around. You are irrational, nasty, mean spirited, appear to have lost your grip on reality and I have to say it, not the sharpest pencil in the box. It is a very bad combination. ( I can’t speak for anybody else, but I’m assuming that I am not alone here) .
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    OH…excuse…..it was mostly tactic #5

    5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary ‘attack the messenger’ ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as ‘kooks’, ‘right-wing’, ‘liberal’, ‘left-wing’, ‘terrorists’, ‘conspiracy buffs’, ‘radicals’, ‘militia’, ‘racists’, ‘religious fanatics’, ‘sexual deviates’, and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.

    Yes Paxson….you are very good at using #5…over and over and over again!

  161. There are many bloggers that annoy me. I have no opinion about anyone personally. What I do have a problem with is this constantly attacking someone because the message is not palatable. You can critcize the delivery, ok, we’re all blogging and tend to hit the send key, and our personalities come through. Blogging is all about getting information that you couldnt get anywhere else. take the good with the bad. if you are going to attack someone attack the message not the messenger and use facts. and yes, you are free to bust an argument if you have the facts, but i would be leary of anyone that attempts to kill the message by killing the messenger. We’ve had enough of that.

  162. Straw-man arguement.

    You cannot prove I am incorrect, therefore you must be incorrect.

    Its so obvious it becomes not only apparent, but laughable.

  163. bob strauss

    JS, I am with you, what ever works to secure our nation, and return to the Constitution.

    There seems to be a concerted effort to silence you. You must have struck a nerve. Good for you!

  164. Paxson,

    You are not alone. Everyone else feels the same and has expressed such.

    Only those few that she has brought over from the RAP blog agree with her. They are duly noted and obvious

  165. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    nj native // July 27, 2010 at 8:25 pm

    ===========================

    I’m an engineer and a physicist, so maybe my analogy here is of benefit only to others like me, but let me give it a try.

    Somebody tries to sell me a perpetual motion machine – I reserve the right to pizz on them and their cockamamie machine.

    I am not closed minded. I am not “killing the messenger”.

    Especially when said proponent gets indignant when I point out they what they say is not even logical or rational. They retort that energy is the biggest problem in the world and that rather than whining, I should get on board? After all, do I have a better solution? And then they trot out crackpot after crackpot as “proof” that they are right.

    Then when they find out no one is even interested, they then grind and grind and grind.

    I don’t call this “getting information that you couldn’t get anywhere else”. I call this misinformation at best, usually disruptive, and often dangerous.

    Like if they encourage people to build their own prototypes and see for themselves – or join other like-minded individuals – and I see the levels of electricity they are talking about – and people can get themselves hurt –

    Well – you see – presenting “ideas” is not always as harmless as some would like to believe.

    Finally, Paxton is absolutely right about one thing. We have to police ourselves – discourage the wacko fringe that is attracted to us – so as to prevent our group’s credibility from tanking. Credibility is like virginity – hard to re-obtain once it has been compromised.

  166. Jacqlyn Smith

    Some of us here try in a confrontive manner, others of us are of the opinion that ignoring them is the best approach, in the end.

    But the only surefire solution is the bully pulpit of the group leader (in this case, the blog owner). Perhaps it is time again for CW to fumigate his blog again.

    It doesn’t even need to be hostile – simply a statement that certain topics (and even perhaps certain people) are off-center to the desired focus of this blog. In the America we used to have and in the America we want, they have the right to speak their mind, but not necessarily here. There are plenty of other blogs – some indeed even focused on the disruptive topics some want to bring here.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Good try CC…..but tactic #8 is not going to work with me…..

    8. Invoke authority. Claim for yourself or associate yourself with authority and present your argument with enough ‘jargon’ and ‘minutia’ to illustrate you are ‘one who knows’, and simply say it isn’t so without discussing issues or demonstrating concretely why or citing sources.

    and when all else fails….CC loves to use #24…

    24. Silence critics. If the above methods do not prevail, consider removing opponents from circulation by some definitive solution so that the need to address issues is removed entirely. This can be by their death, arrest and detention, blackmail or destruction of their character by release of blackmail information, or merely by destroying them financially, emotionally, or severely damaging their health.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    From..first paragraph of the introduction to H. Michael Sweeney’s unpublished book titled Fatal Rebirth:

    “Truth cannot live on a diet of secrets, withering within entangled lies. Freedom cannot live on a diet of lies, surrendering to the veil of oppression. The human spirit cannot live on a diet of oppression, becoming subservient in the end to the will of evil. God, as truth incarnate, will not long let stand a world devoted to such evil. Therefore, let us have the truth and freedom our spirits require… or let us die seeking these things, for without them, we shall surely and justly perish in an evil world.”

    IT IS WAY PAST TIME TO LET FREEDOM AND THE TRUTH RING……what are you people doing about it besides criticizing and intimidating concerned and caring Patriots…..NOTHING but complaining from what I gather here!

  167. Free Speech

    SirWilliam // July 27, 2010 at 8:38 pm

    Paxson,

    You are not alone. Everyone else feels the same and has expressed such.

    Only those few that she has brought over from the RAP blog agree with her. They are duly noted and obvious
    **********************************

    Agree 100%

  168. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    Paxson // July 27, 2010 at 8:19 pm

    Jacqlyn Smith // July 27, 2010 at 8:16 pm

    No, JS. I’m done.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    I wouldn’t except any more of you…..quitters NEVER WIN!!!!

    Tactic #25 now used by Paxson…..
    25. Vanish. If you are a key holder of secrets or otherwise overly illuminated and you think the heat is getting too hot, to avoid the issues, vacate the kitchen.

    Bye NOW!!

  169. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    bob strauss // July 27, 2010 at 8:35 pm

    JS, … There seems to be a concerted effort to silence you.

    ========================

    I certainly don’t wish to ‘silence’ anybody. Everybody has a right to speak – even lunatics. But we all know how to find information about R A P and read comments from J S if we want to. There is one or more forums for that and we know how to get there.

    On the other hand, I have given this positive challenge to J S and any other R A P advocate. If ANYTHING they ever say or promise actually happens, then I am all ears. Bring it over hear and post it.

    Just like my analogy about perpetual motion machines – I don’t believe in them and I can prove them inachievable to any rational person. However that does not mean that someone can’t make a better and more efficient energy machine than anybody before. So to continue the analogy – I don’t want to hear anymore cockamamie theories or discussions – but when you get a working prototype or a significant experimental result – of course I would then listen.

  170. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    Free Speech // July 27, 2010 at 8:21 pm

    Paxson // July 27, 2010 at 8:13 pm

    Jacqlyn Smith // July 27, 2010 at 8:09 pm

    No tactic #6, JS. I am telling you point black that you appear to have lost your marbles and it is absolutely unpleasant to have you around. You are irrational, nasty, mean spirited, appear to have lost your grip on reality and I have to say it, not the sharpest pencil in the box. It is a very bad combination. ( I can’t speak for anybody else, but I’m assuming that I am not alone here) .

    ***************************************

    Agree 100%
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    A distinct trait that exclusively belongs to the disinformationalist with the intials FS…

    1) Avoidance. They never actually discuss issues head-on or provide constructive input, generally avoiding citation of references or credentials. Rather, they merely imply this, that, and the other. Virtually everything about their presentation implies their authority and expert knowledge in the matter without any further justification for credibility.

    YEP….fits him to a tea!

  171. Jacqlyn Smith

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    nj native // July 27, 2010 at 8:25 pm

    There are many bloggers that annoy me. I have no opinion about anyone personally. What I do have a problem with is this constantly attacking someone because the message is not palatable. You can critcize the delivery, ok, we’re all blogging and tend to hit the send key, and our personalities come through. Blogging is all about getting information that you couldnt get anywhere else. take the good with the bad. if you are going to attack someone attack the message not the messenger and use facts. and yes, you are free to bust an argument if you have the facts, but i would be leary of anyone that attempts to kill the message by killing the messenger. We’ve had enough of that.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    You my friend are exactly right…..learn the facts and know the truth…..NO NEED to use the tactics that are being employed here by several to run people off of this blog…..we want the true and correct information to flow….I seriously doubt most of the disinformationalist here have ever taken time to educate themselves and learn the truth…..it is so much easier to attack the messenger!

  172. DABIG, did you see today, Drudge posted in RED a link to a Boston.com story about passage of the bill that gets around Constitutionally Appointed Electors! Given his prominent display of this story, I sent him a link to my article on the subject, too.

    http://jbjd.wordpress.com/2010/07/24/npvi-by-hook-and-by-crook/

  173. CC,

    Well said.

    Unfortunatly, the straw-man argument they presnt will not end. JS has already stated in the past her discourse and planned interruption of this site. She is hateful, bitter and is hell bent on revenge.

    So much so, she has copied on her ms word doc multiple comments, links, vids and lectures from RAP and their posts so she can quickly post within a min. Attempting to sound informative and intellegent on topic subject matter, as if she wrote it herself.

    JS also bounces back and forth from the RAP blog to CW with great efforts to get her supporters to flood CW posts, not in a meaningfull way, but again, in revenge from the past. Everyone here knows this, she, bob, nj native also are aware.

  174. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    bob strauss // July 27, 2010 at 8:35 pm

    JS, I am with you, what ever works to secure our nation, and return to the Constitution.

    There seems to be a concerted effort to silence you. You must have struck a nerve. Good for you!
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Hey Bob….that is nothing new here…..NOT going to work though….too much at stake for our country!!!

  175. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    SirWilliam // July 27, 2010 at 8:29 pm

    Straw-man arguement.

    You cannot prove I am incorrect, therefore you must be incorrect.

    Its so obvious it becomes not only apparent, but laughable.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    When you actually put some facts out there then we will rebut them….until then we don’t have a clue what the HELL you are talking about….you continue to use the tactics of a disinformationalist and frankly….many of us are sick and tired of it!!! Below is one of your most transparent traits as a disinformationlaist!!!

    2) Selectivity. They tend to pick and choose opponents carefully, either applying the hit-and-run approach against mere commentators supportive of opponents, or focusing heavier attacks on key opponents who are known to directly address issues. Should a commentator become argumentative with any success, the focus will shift to include the commentator as well.

    Yeah…..that would be you SW!!

  176. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    SirWilliam // July 27, 2010 at 8:38 pm

    Paxson,

    You are not alone. Everyone else feels the same and has expressed such.

    Only those few that she has brought over from the RAP blog agree with her. They are duly noted and obvious
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Sure they are….you have so-o-o-o much authority right…..

    tactic #18…ain’t workin’ either….

    18. Emotionalize, Antagonize, and Goad Opponents. If you can’t do anything else, chide and taunt your opponents and draw them into emotional responses which will tend to make them look foolish and overly motivated, and generally render their material somewhat less coherent. Not only will you avoid discussing the issues in the first instance, but even if their emotional response addresses the issue, you can further avoid the issues by then focusing on how ‘sensitive they are to criticism.’

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    SW….present some facts for a change…..better yet…..give us your ideas and plans to get the country out of the mess we are in…..we are still waiting…..in the meantime the US corporation is going bankrupt…..

    http://www.thetotalcollapse.com/china-the-us-is-insolvent-and-faces-bankruptcy/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheTotalCollapse+%28The+Total+Collapse%29

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    The corruption is rampant in every branch of the system currently recognized by you and some other sheeple here…..I challenge you to watch all of the below clips and come back with your ideas on how to nip this BEAST in the butt…

    http://anticorruptionsociety.com/about/the-corporation-film-clips/

    The Corporation: all segments

    http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=FA50FBC214A6CE87

    1. What is a Corporation – the BEAST
    2. The Corporation Birth – in the USA
    3. A Legal Person – with no body to incarcerate
    4. Externalities – Public Private Partnerships
    5. Case Histories – poisoning without consequences
    6. The Pathology of Commerce – psychopaths
    7. Monstrous Obligations – CEOs not in control
    8. Mindset – of a deceptive ‘business model’
    9. Trading 911 – profiting from tragedy
    10. Boundary Issues – world conquest
    11. Basic Training – exploiting children
    12. Perception Management – crafting lies
    13. Like a Good Neighbor – Public Private Partnership propaganda
    14. A Private Celebration – promoting the BEAST
    15. Triumph of the Shill – product placement
    16. Advancing the Front – biotechnology, genome projects & marketing life itself
    17. Unsettling Accounts – legalizing media lies (Monsanto exposed)
    18. Expansion Plan – exploiting government and population
    19. Taking the Right Side
    20. Hostile Takeover – fascism and corporatism
    21. Democracy Ltd – the power of the BEAST over government
    22. Psych Therapies – attempts to neutralize the BEAST
    23. Prognosis – the need to deconstruct the BEAST

  177. bob strauss // July 27, 2010 at 8:35 pm

    Bob, I’m truly not trying to silence anybody. The delivery sucks. It’s like a mental breakdown of sorts. If you think that this method of trying to influence others of a point of view, then I’m sorry. I left for a few hours to get a workout and have some dinner and there were reams of garbage to sift through. Most of it meaningless accusations.

  178. bob strauss // July 27, 2010 at 8:35 pm

    If you think that this method of trying to influence others of a point of view is appropriate (I meant to say), then I’m sorry.

  179. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) // July 27, 2010 at 8:38 pm

    nj native // July 27, 2010 at 8:25 pm

    I’m an engineer and a physicist, so maybe my analogy here is of benefit only to others like me, but let me give it a try.
    **************************************
    CC i am am so happy because i too am an engineer and i completely disagree with everything you present in this argument.

    CC the following statements you make give me pause:

    1. Like if they encourage people to build their own prototypes and see for themselves – or join other like-minded individuals – and I see the levels of electricity they are talking about – and people can get themselves hurt –

    AS AN ENGINEER I FIND THIS STATEMENT INCOMPREHEMSIBLE. MANY PEOPLE I KNOW HAVE DIED IN A PERFECTLY VETTED TECHNICAL APPLICATIONS BECAUSE THERE IS ALWAYS THE POSSIBILITY SOMETHING WILL GO WRONG. WE LEARN FROM OUR MISTAKES.

    2. Then when they find out no one is even interested, they then grind and grind and grind.

    I AM SORRY CC BUT WE ARE NOT HERE TO PLEASE YOU. GET OVER YOURSELF.

    3. Finally, Paxton is absolutely right about one thing. We have to police ourselves – discourage the wacko fringe that is attracted to us – so as to prevent our group’s credibility from tanking.

    AND WHO IS IN CHARGE OF THIS POLICE STATE? WHO IS THIS WACKO FRINGE? WHAT GIVES YOU ANY CREDIBILITY? PLEASE PRESENT YOUR CREDENTIALS FOR ALL TO SEE.

    4. Credibility is like virginity – hard to re-obtain once it has been compromised.

    THIS REALLY IS A WINDOW INTO YOUR PSYCHE. VOLUMES COULD BE WRITTEN ON THIS STATEMENT BUT I WILL STICK WITH THE OBVIOUS, PEOPLE ARE FREE TO PRESENT THEIR ARGUMENTS AND IF THEY LOOSE THEIR CREDIBILITY SO BE IT. THE COMPARISON I FIND BIZARRE QUITE FRANKLY.

    CC, YOUR LOGIC IS COMPLETELY LACKING.

  180. FS, I’d like to hear more about Scalia’s viewpoint on Citizen Grand Juries.

  181. She (JS) really is nuts….

    By the way Freespeech – last time I checked, we still have 50 Governors right?

    Remember 4 months ago when all 50 Governors were given a 30 days notice to resign or be removed in handcuffs? What happened? Did RAP back out of the overthrow? I know, I know, a small glitch I’m sure.

    This stuff is out of the twilight zone.

  182. bob strauss

    CC, the way you guys are ganging up on Jacqyln Smith makes me think you guys are agents of the usurper. Prove me wrong.

    You remind me of the obots from TRSOL a few months back that I used to argue with. There would always be 3 or 4 that would always agree with one another and gang up to try to discredit a poster that was trying to come up with a solution to remove the usurper.

    Fess up if you’re guilty.

  183. jbjd —

    I believe that any form of Direct Election requires a Constitutional Amendment, and the States along both coasts are not enough in number to pass such an Amendment.

    However, this does not stop ‘creative’ vote stealers from dreaming up different scenarios to find a way to keep the voters in fly-over country from voting for President.

    But, even such progressive States as Michigan, Illinois and Wisconsin know that they only get visits from Presidential candidates because of their votes in the Electoral College. Without it, they would never see a Presidential candidate ever again.

    So, the king-makers in these States will never allow the vote-stealers on the coasts to get away with any idea that would undermine the role they play every 4 years.

    I think that the Framers really wanted it this way.

  184. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) // July 27, 2010 at 8:38 pm

    nj native // July 27, 2010 at 8:25 pm

    ===========================

    I’m an engineer and a physicist, so maybe my analogy here is of benefit only to others like me, but let me give it a try.

    Somebody tries to sell me a perpetual motion machine – I reserve the right to pizz on them and their cockamamie machine.

    I am not closed minded. I am not “killing the messenger”.

    Especially when said proponent gets indignant when I point out they what they say is not even logical or rational. They retort that energy is the biggest problem in the world and that rather than whining, I should get on board? After all, do I have a better solution? And then they trot out crackpot after crackpot as “proof” that they are right.

    Then when they find out no one is even interested, they then grind and grind and grind.

    I don’t call this “getting information that you couldn’t get anywhere else”. I call this misinformation at best, usually disruptive, and often dangerous.

    Like if they encourage people to build their own prototypes and see for themselves – or join other like-minded individuals – and I see the levels of electricity they are talking about – and people can get themselves hurt –

    Well – you see – presenting “ideas” is not always as harmless as some would like to believe.

    Finally, Paxton is absolutely right about one thing. We have to police ourselves – discourage the wacko fringe that is attracted to us – so as to prevent our group’s credibility from tanking. Credibility is like virginity – hard to re-obtain once it has been compromised.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    nj native…..CC is the perfect disinformationalist…..this person possess many of the traits that are preventing the truth and facts from moving forward and allowing the sheeple to be educated…..they are constantly trying to build up a following by employing a huge number of the 25 tatics of the disinformationalist……here they all are and most fit CC and a variety of other folks who visit this blog now…..

    Twenty-Five Rules of Disinformation

    1. Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil
    2. Become incredulous and indignant
    3. Create rumor mongers
    4. Use a straw man
    5. Sidetrack opponents w name calling, ridicule
    6. Hit and Run
    7. Question motives
    8. Invoke authority
    9. Play Dumb
    10. Associate opponent charges with old news
    11. Establish and rely upon fall-back positions
    12. Enigmas have no solution
    13. Alice in Wonderland Logic
    14. Demand complete solutions
    15. Fit the facts to alternate conclusions
    16. Vanish evidence and witnesses
    17. Change the subject
    18. Emotionalize, Antagonize, and Goad
    19. Ignore facts, demand impossible proofs
    20. False evidence
    21. Call a Grand Jury, Special Prosecutor
    22. Manufacture a new truth
    23. Create bigger distractions
    24. Silence critics
    25. Vanish

    nj native and all the other Patriots trying to restore the republic…..please take notice of the list above….you will be able to quickly know who these people are after just ONE or TWO of their comments!

  185. Free Speech

    Paxson // July 27, 2010 at 9:13 pm

    FS, I’d like to hear more about Scalia’s viewpoint on Citizen Grand Juries.
    SirWilliam // July 27, 2010 at 9:14 pm

    She (JS) really is nuts….

    By the way Freespeech – last time I checked, we still have 50 Governors right?

    Remember 4 months ago when all 50 Governors were given a 30 days notice to resign or be removed in handcuffs? What happened? Did RAP back out of the overthrow? I know, I know, a small glitch I’m sure.

    This stuff is out of the twilight zone.
    **************************************
    Agree 100%

  186. bob strauss // July 27, 2010 at 9:15 pm

    No Bob. How about a little rational discourse? The key word that you said is “argue”. How about using the word “debate” and take the conversation to a little bit higher level?

  187. And now we know who the grand ork is in which JS follows.

    So what happened to the failure of aressts of all 50 Gov’s? Enlighten me

  188. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) // July 27, 2010 at 8:45 pm

    bob strauss // July 27, 2010 at 8:35 pm

    JS, … There seems to be a concerted effort to silence you.

    ========================

    I certainly don’t wish to ‘silence’ anybody. Everybody has a right to speak – even lunatics. But we all know how to find information about R A P and read comments from J S if we want to. There is one or more forums for that and we know how to get there.

    On the other hand, I have given this positive challenge to J S and any other R A P advocate. If ANYTHING they ever say or promise actually happens, then I am all ears. Bring it over hear and post it.

    Just like my analogy about perpetual motion machines – I don’t believe in them and I can prove them inachievable to any rational person. However that does not mean that someone can’t make a better and more efficient energy machine than anybody before. So to continue the analogy – I don’t want to hear anymore cockamamie theories or discussions – but when you get a working prototype or a significant experimental result – of course I would then listen.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Do you see what I mean…..tactic #14…CC uses this one a lot too….

    14. Demand complete solutions. Avoid the issues by requiring opponents to solve the crime at hand completely, a ploy which works best with issues qualifying for rule 10.

    10. Associate opponent charges with old news. A derivative of the straw man — usually, in any large-scale matter of high visibility, someone will make charges early on which can be or were already easily dealt with – a kind of investment for the future should the matter not be so easily contained.) Where it can be foreseen, have your own side raise a straw man issue and have it dealt with early on as part of the initial contingency plans. Subsequent charges, regardless of validity or new ground uncovered, can usually then be associated with the original charge and dismissed as simply being a rehash without need to address current issues — so much the better where the opponent is or was involved with the original source.

    You see CC….
    It is not necessary to completely resolve any full matter in order to examine any relative attached issue…..there must be lots or discussion and information laid out on the table before anything can be fully realized…..you only want the end product without contributing to the work at hand…..again I ask…..where is your plan…..what are your ideas to return our country to the republic that our Constitution demands and our fore fathers wanted for ALL LEGAL AMERICANS!!!!

  189. Keep fighting the good fight. Stay safe. God Bless.

  190. bob strauss

    There’s no debating people who don’t operate honestly, they have no concrete positions and the finish line is always moving.

  191. Bob // July 27, 2010 at 9:15 pm

    jbjd –

    I believe that any form of Direct Election requires a Constitutional Amendment, and the States along both coasts are not enough in number to pass such an Amendment.
    ******************************

    bob, as I already told you, of course eliminating Electors altogether would require a Constitutional amendment. But this NPVI several states have already passed does not eliminate Electors; it only instructs Electors in those states to cast their votes in accordance with the popular vote in several states. Much like now, we have laws that tell Electors they must vote for the nominee of the party. (But we never enacted laws telling Electors they can only vote for a President who is Constitutionally qualified for the job. And as I argue in my article, states will not be able pass such a Presidential eligibility law for Electors, once they sign up for this NPV law.)

  192. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    SirWilliam // July 27, 2010 at 8:57 pm

    CC,

    Well said.

    Unfortunatly, the straw-man argument they presnt will not end. JS has already stated in the past her discourse and planned interruption of this site. She is hateful, bitter and is hell bent on revenge.

    So much so, she has copied on her ms word doc multiple comments, links, vids and lectures from RAP and their posts so she can quickly post within a min. Attempting to sound informative and intellegent on topic subject matter, as if she wrote it herself.

    JS also bounces back and forth from the RAP blog to CW with great efforts to get her supporters to flood CW posts, not in a meaningfull way, but again, in revenge from the past. Everyone here knows this, she, bob, nj native also are aware.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Hey SW…tactic #13 isn’t going to work either….why not try getting educated and help restore our republic…..stooping to these tactics time and time again only prove your shallowness…

    13. Alice in Wonderland Logic. Avoid discussion of the issues by reasoning backwards or with an apparent deductive logic which forbears any actual material fact.

  193. bob strauss // July 27, 2010 at 9:28 pm

    Bob, you are making the assumption that at the end of the day when a debate occurs that there will not be honest disagreements. Therefore a debate to you automatically becomes an argument as soon as you feel that the other persons visual is not the same as yours. The purpose of a debate isn’t necessarily to force another person into your perspective. It is to persuade another person into your point of view.

    Right now we are witnessing a temper tantrum and irrational behavior. The delivery sucks.

  194. Bill Cutting

    Paxson // July 27, 2010 at 8:13 pm

    Jacqlyn Smith // July 27, 2010 at 8:09 pm

    No tactic #6, JS. I am telling you point black that you appear to have lost your marbles and it is absolutely unpleasant to have you around. You are irrational, nasty, mean spirited, appear to have lost your grip on reality and I have to say it, not the sharpest pencil in the box. It is a very bad combination. ( I can’t speak for anybody else, but I’m assuming that I am not alone here) .

    Ditto

    I thought the world was supposed to end or something like that on June 28th. I must have missed it.

  195. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    nj native // July 27, 2010 at 9:13 pm

    Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) // July 27, 2010 at 8:38 pm

    nj native // July 27, 2010 at 8:25 pm

    I’m an engineer and a physicist, so maybe my analogy here is of benefit only to others like me, but let me give it a try.
    **************************************
    CC i am am so happy because i too am an engineer and i completely disagree with everything you present in this argument.

    CC the following statements you make give me pause:

    1. Like if they encourage people to build their own prototypes and see for themselves – or join other like-minded individuals – and I see the levels of electricity they are talking about – and people can get themselves hurt –

    AS AN ENGINEER I FIND THIS STATEMENT INCOMPREHEMSIBLE. MANY PEOPLE I KNOW HAVE DIED IN A PERFECTLY VETTED TECHNICAL APPLICATIONS BECAUSE THERE IS ALWAYS THE POSSIBILITY SOMETHING WILL GO WRONG. WE LEARN FROM OUR MISTAKES.

    2. Then when they find out no one is even interested, they then grind and grind and grind.

    I AM SORRY CC BUT WE ARE NOT HERE TO PLEASE YOU. GET OVER YOURSELF.

    3. Finally, Paxton is absolutely right about one thing. We have to police ourselves – discourage the wacko fringe that is attracted to us – so as to prevent our group’s credibility from tanking.

    AND WHO IS IN CHARGE OF THIS POLICE STATE? WHO IS THIS WACKO FRINGE? WHAT GIVES YOU ANY CREDIBILITY? PLEASE PRESENT YOUR CREDENTIALS FOR ALL TO SEE.

    4. Credibility is like virginity – hard to re-obtain once it has been compromised.

    THIS REALLY IS A WINDOW INTO YOUR PSYCHE. VOLUMES COULD BE WRITTEN ON THIS STATEMENT BUT I WILL STICK WITH THE OBVIOUS, PEOPLE ARE FREE TO PRESENT THEIR ARGUMENTS AND IF THEY LOOSE THEIR CREDIBILITY SO BE IT. THE COMPARISON I FIND BIZARRE QUITE FRANKLY.

    CC, YOUR LOGIC IS COMPLETELY LACKING.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    nj native…..that’s what I’m talking about….attack the facts and information….you go girl/guy…..you have completely figured out CC to a tea my friend!

  196. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    Paxson // July 27, 2010 at 9:10 pm

    bob strauss // July 27, 2010 at 8:35 pm

    Bob, I’m truly not trying to silence anybody. The delivery sucks. It’s like a mental breakdown of sorts. If you think that this method of trying to influence others of a point of view, then I’m sorry. I left for a few hours to get a workout and have some dinner and there were reams of garbage to sift through. Most of it meaningless accusations.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Yeah….you could have fooled all of us….including Bob…..he’s not falling for your BS either!

  197. Bill Cutting

    Bill Cutting // July 27, 2010 at 9:48 am

    Local pundits believe Blago’s Lawyer ( Sam Adam’s Jr) is going to step down today and Blago will give his own closing argument.
    **************************************

    Seen that in Nashville too.

    When judge Tom w. Brothers’ co-defendant, Tom Nebel, was first tried for Drug Money Laundering, Nebel got Hung Drug. despite seemingly overwhelming evidence of guilt.

    The DOJ tried Nebel again. Nebel fired his lawyers and represented himself. The Jury Acquitted Nebel in his second self-represented trial.

    Nebel went on to become a Multi-Millionaire Trial Lawyer.

    blago is a lawyer, right?
    ————————————————————

    I am no Lawyer but have sat on jury or two, wouldn’t be suprised if this one is hung.

  198. Jacqlyn Smith // July 27, 2010 at 9:41 pm

    Fair enough…Please continue your little circle jerk.

  199. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    SirWilliam // July 27, 2010 at 9:14 pm

    She (JS) really is nuts….

    By the way Freespeech – last time I checked, we still have 50 Governors right?

    Remember 4 months ago when all 50 Governors were given a 30 days notice to resign or be removed in handcuffs? What happened? Did RAP back out of the overthrow? I know, I know, a small glitch I’m sure.

    This stuff is out of the twilight zone.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Why are you asking FS…..can’t you do your own research and find out the truth…..you have not answered my challenge yet….it is evident from this comment that you are NOT getting educated and have not viewed the information I asked you to take a look at….if we had to wait on you to get educated our nation would be gone by NOW!!!

  200. Bob,

    Honestly, I mean honestly, what is your direct plan of attact to overthrow the current USA? Give me step number 1 at the least.

  201. Unbelievable! UNBELIEVABLE!

    Today started out with a sharing of thoughts in a spirit of comradeship and respect. There was a sense of unity, even though we all have differing opinions. All those opinions, however, blend to make this blog a rewarding experience, knowing that there are others of like mind.

    When I got back late this afternoon, here is one poster who has gone literally on a tirade – gone on one wild ride of nasty criticism, judgmental comments in the extreme, and unbelievable conduct. What do you expect to accomplish from all of this, Jacqlyn?

    I don’t know your heart, but your actions speak volumes – and not for good. You gain nothing by trying to find a disinformation # that fits each of us. Don’t you realize that you are only turning people against your wonderful PLAN?
    You need to go back and reread the comments you have made – not a pretty sight!

    OK, I am ready to receive my blows. Assign every one of the #’s to me. I can take it, if that is what it takes to speak the truth.

    I know, Jacqlyn, that you have insulted and turned people away from other sites. Now, is that what you are trying to do here?

  202. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    bob strauss // July 27, 2010 at 9:15 pm

    CC, the way you guys are ganging up on Jacqyln Smith makes me think you guys are agents of the usurper. Prove me wrong.

    You remind me of the obots from TRSOL a few months back that I used to argue with. There would always be 3 or 4 that would always agree with one another and gang up to try to discredit a poster that was trying to come up with a solution to remove the usurper.

    Fess up if you’re guilty.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Bob…..good luck with getting the truth out of any of them!

  203. Free Speech

    Paxson // July 27, 2010 at 9:34 pm

    Right now we are witnessing a temper tantrum and irrational behavior. The delivery sucks.
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    Agree 100%

  204. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    Free Speech // July 27, 2010 at 9:19 pm

    Paxson // July 27, 2010 at 9:13 pm

    FS, I’d like to hear more about Scalia’s viewpoint on Citizen Grand Juries.
    SirWilliam // July 27, 2010 at 9:14 pm

    She (JS) really is nuts….

    By the way Freespeech – last time I checked, we still have 50 Governors right?

    Remember 4 months ago when all 50 Governors were given a 30 days notice to resign or be removed in handcuffs? What happened? Did RAP back out of the overthrow? I know, I know, a small glitch I’m sure.

    This stuff is out of the twilight zone.
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    Agree 100%
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    FS….so many facts you offer us here! NOT

  205. Free Speech

    Bill Cutting // July 27, 2010 at 9:39 pm

    Paxson // July 27, 2010 at 8:13 pm

    Jacqlyn Smith // July 27, 2010 at 8:09 pm

    No tactic #6, JS. I am telling you point black that you appear to have lost your marbles and it is absolutely unpleasant to have you around. You are irrational, nasty, mean spirited, appear to have lost your grip on reality and I have to say it, not the sharpest pencil in the box. It is a very bad combination. ( I can’t speak for anybody else, but I’m assuming that I am not alone here) .

    Ditto

    I thought the world was supposed to end or something like that on June 28th. I must have missed it.
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    Agree 100%

  206. Free Speech

    y – AZ // July 27, 2010 at 9:46 pm

    Unbelievable! UNBELIEVABLE!

    Today started out with a sharing of thoughts in a spirit of comradeship and respect. There was a sense of unity, even though we all have differing opinions. All those opinions, however, blend to make this blog a rewarding experience, knowing that there are others of like mind.

    When I got back late this afternoon, here is one poster who has gone literally on a tirade – gone on one wild ride of nasty criticism, judgmental comments in the extreme, and unbelievable conduct. What do you expect to accomplish from all of this, Jacqlyn?

    I don’t know your heart, but your actions speak volumes – and not for good. You gain nothing by trying to find a disinformation # that fits each of us. Don’t you realize that you are only turning people against your wonderful PLAN?
    You need to go back and reread the comments you have made – not a pretty sight!

    OK, I am ready to receive my blows. Assign every one of the #’s to me. I can take it, if that is what it takes to speak the truth.

    I know, Jacqlyn, that you have insulted and turned people away from other sites. Now, is that what you are trying to do here?
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    Agree 100%

  207. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    SirWilliam // July 27, 2010 at 9:25 pm

    And now we know who the grand ork is in which JS follows.

    So what happened to the failure of aressts of all 50 Gov’s? Enlighten me
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    I already challenged you to the enlightenment….but you will not do it……tactic #3 is not going to work either…..get you A$$ in gear and learn something useful and quit trying to lead people astray…..if you were at all serious you would be doing this now instead of using your disinformation tactics…..you are only wasting time….get off this blog and go learn something instead of quizzing another disinformationalist!

    3. Create rumor mongers. Avoid discussing issues by describing all charges, regardless of venue or evidence, as mere rumors and wild accusations. Other derogatory terms mutually exclusive of truth may work as well. This method which works especially well with a silent press, because the only way the public can learn of the facts are through such ‘arguable rumors’. If you can associate the material with the Internet, use this fact to certify it a ‘wild rumor’ from a ‘bunch of kids on the Internet’ which can have no basis in fact.

  208. Ok Jacqlyn,

    I’ll ask you directly then.

    Why are all 50 Governors in the United States not in handcuffs, in prison, or no chiose to resign, as promised by RAP, in which the U.S. had no choise in the matter. What happened? Other than than threw it in the garbage pn.

  209. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    Margie // July 27, 2010 at 9:27 pm

    Keep fighting the good fight. Stay safe. God Bless.
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    Margie…..I love your enthusiasm…..thank you for being a cheerleader at least! :)

  210. Jacqlyn Smith // July 27, 2010 at 9:44 pm

    Why are you asking FS…..can’t you do your own research and find out the truth…..
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    FS is an attorney and quotes people that I respect like Justice Scalia. If it is good enough for Scalia…. FS has done the research ..

  211. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    bob strauss // July 27, 2010 at 9:28 pm

    There’s no debating people who don’t operate honestly, they have no concrete positions and the finish line is always moving.
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    Bob….you got that right….that is why I am pointing out all of the tactics used by the disinformationalist and now we know who they are!

  212. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    Paxson // July 27, 2010 at 9:34 pm

    bob strauss // July 27, 2010 at 9:28 pm

    Bob, you are making the assumption that at the end of the day when a debate occurs that there will not be honest disagreements. Therefore a debate to you automatically becomes an argument as soon as you feel that the other persons visual is not the same as yours. The purpose of a debate isn’t necessarily to force another person into your perspective. It is to persuade another person into your point of view.

    Right now we are witnessing a temper tantrum and irrational behavior. The delivery sucks.
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    Why Paxson…..because you say so…..

    tactic #8

    8. Invoke authority. Claim for yourself or associate yourself with authority and present your argument with enough ‘jargon’ and ‘minutia’ to illustrate you are ‘one who knows’, and simply say it isn’t so without discussing issues or demonstrating concretely why or citing sources.

  213. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    Bill Cutting // July 27, 2010 at 9:39 pm

    Paxson // July 27, 2010 at 8:13 pm

    Jacqlyn Smith // July 27, 2010 at 8:09 pm

    No tactic #6, JS. I am telling you point black that you appear to have lost your marbles and it is absolutely unpleasant to have you around. You are irrational, nasty, mean spirited, appear to have lost your grip on reality and I have to say it, not the sharpest pencil in the box. It is a very bad combination. ( I can’t speak for anybody else, but I’m assuming that I am not alone here) .

    Ditto

    I thought the world was supposed to end or something like that on June 28th. I must have missed it.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Yeah….well sometimes it sucks to be you if that’s all you have to do is wait for the world to end…..get yourself educated and contribute to restoring our republic…..disinformation tactics aren’t working so grab some facts and take charge why don’t you???

  214. Good Lord,

    These people are brainwashed droids. They cannot answer a simple question. Instead they pose an alternative question as proof.

    Jim Jones trained his same followers insuch tactics and advised how to respond withbout giving an answer. He was a master at such.

    Of course when he nor his followers could answer questions they yet proposed, they became exposed, thus leading no way out of the humiliation other than drinking the kool-aid.

    Its a very simple question. What is your line of attack to overthrow the United States Government? Second easy question. Why are all 50 Governors not in jail as RAP said they would be?

    Come on JS, surely you can answer that.

  215. SirWilliam // July 27, 2010 at 9:56 pm

    Ok Jacqlyn,

    I’ll ask you directly then.

    Why are all 50 Governors in the United States not in handcuffs, in prison, or no chiose to resign, as promised by RAP, in which the U.S. had no choise in the matter. What happened? Other than than threw it in the garbage pn.
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    I think the answer to that question is self evident, real question is why are the members of RAP still walking the streets free men after issuing letters to the governors asking for them to resign? This was no one page letter. If I recall correctly it was 30 pages. It was followed by pages of signatures of grand jury members, JS correct me if i’m wrong because i dont follow RAP. Please brief me again on the content of the letter.

    I think it’s a question worth asking AND ANSWERING.

  216. Sir William – 6:03 PM

    “I need to run, time to eat and I may check back later tonight. If not, in the wee hours of the morn”
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    Anytime, SW. I’ll be checking from time to time, as I am a night owl.

  217. Those of us patriots who do not hang together, will surely hang separately. Obots are here and they will get our names and addresses eventually.

  218. SirWilliam // July 27, 2010 at 10:12 pm

    Good Lord,

    These people are brainwashed droids. They cannot answer a simple question. Instead they pose an alternative question as proof.

    Jim Jones trained his same followers insuch tactics and advised how to respond withbout giving an answer. He was a master at such.

    Of course when he nor his followers could answer questions they yet proposed, they became exposed, thus leading no way out of the humiliation other than drinking the kool-aid.

    Its a very simple question. What is your line of attack to overthrow the United States Government? Second easy question. Why are all 50 Governors not in jail as RAP said they would be?

    Come on JS, surely you can answer that.
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    ditto

  219. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    Paxson // July 27, 2010 at 9:43 pm

    Jacqlyn Smith // July 27, 2010 at 9:41 pm

    Fair enough…Please continue your little circle jerk.
    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Yeah….okay….so I have your permission now….
    tactic #5….your favorite by far….

    5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary ‘attack the messenger’ ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as ‘kooks’, ‘right-wing’, ‘liberal’, ‘left-wing’, ‘terrorists’, ‘conspiracy buffs’, ‘radicals’, ‘militia’, ‘racists’, ‘religious fanatics’, ‘sexual deviates’, and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.

    Grow up Paxson…and stop the crying….stop the criticizing….stop the name calling….stop the bullying and get yourself educated you really are showing us what a hypocrite you are….I am willing and able to discuss any plan or ideas you may have for restoring our republic….you just can’t handle the truth though!

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    “Voting is no substitute for the eternal vigilance that every friend of freedom must demonstrate towards government. If our freedom is to survive, Americans must become far better informed of the dangers from Washington — regardless of who wins the Presidency.” — James Bovard in Voting is Overrated

  220. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    jbjd // July 27, 2010 at 9:29 pm

    ==========================

    Now THIS is a rational, logical, and fruitful discussion. Sorry I haven’t spoken up sooner, but I have been reading you stuff.

    In my view the critical problem here is one of steep “slippery slope”. What we have been doing for the last how many decades is not right either.

    The intent of the constitution is very clear. The VAST MOB has no ability to elect a president. Even if they did, it would promote Mob Rule. The constitutional plan is for groups of people to appoint special representatives (“electors”) to essentially vote for them. These are supposed to be people they know, and/or people who have a lifetime of critical political thinking and a good dose of wisdom.

    THESE electors are then to get together and elect a President. They are presumed to be knowledgeable enough and will take the time to vet potential candidates. All the constitutional qualifications, but also including the political and technical ability to actually be President and CIC.

    There are not supposed to be election cycles, campaigning, party politics, or any of that.

    For many decades now we have been “playing a game” with the constitution. Somebody figured out a way to pervert the words and the meaning of the constitution and not do a constitutional amendment – because this would surely fail.

    The MSM if they talk about it at all, simply put it forward as some quaint wordsmithing from a long ago past: When we go vote, we don’t vote for Mr. Smith for President. The form clearly says we are voting for “electors pledged to Mr. Smith”. Yes, then, in some very specific legal sense, we are still voting for electors as the constitution says. But, boy oh boy, how wrong this is.

    But once we have made THAT major leap “forward”, then we are screwed and I don’t see any way around it. The devil in the details is now simply how to count the votes and what exactly it means to be “pledged”.

    We shot ourselves in the foot lo these many decades ago. We have been limping along year after year. But now we are going to bleed out.

    And the helpful MSM is going to praise all this as being more “progressive” and more “enlightened”.

    I’m glad you are chewing on this. Perhaps you can help us see a way out. But I am very skeptical and pessimistic.

    The only REAL solution is to return to the way it is supposed to work. But the privileged minorities and the MSM will scream like stuck pigs.

  221. Okay, you’ve got to be kidding….

    Muslim Day at Six Flags 09/11 weekend!

    Muslim Day at Six Flags! Wow!
    By Fred DeRuvo
    Hey Kids, did you know that the folks at Six Flags are pulling out all the stops to create a Muslim Day at their parks? Wow!

    That’s right, tell Mom and Dad that you want to head over to the nearest Six Flags Amusement Park to enjoy Muslim Day and guess what? It’s going to happen this year on 9/12 – wow, missed 9/11 by THAT much!

    My first question is WHY would ANY amusement park feel the need to have special days that celebrate any particular religion? Moreover, though I see a Catholic Family day, I do not see anything labeled “Christian Day.” That would probably be intolerant.
    (Excerpt)
    more:

    http://www.resistnet.com/forum/topic/show?id=2600775%3ATopic%3A2407927&xgs=1&xg_source=msg_share_topic

  222. Bill G // July 27, 2010 at 10:16 pm

    Those of us patriots who do not hang together, will surely hang separately. Obots are here and they will get our names and addresses eventually.
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    ditBill G // July 27, 2010 at 10:16 pm

    Those of us patriots who do not hang together, will surely hang separately. Obots are here and they will get our names and addresses eventually.

    ditto

  223. JS, I love that list you posted. Alinsky tactics exposed. Thanks for the concise definitions and methods used.

  224. Frustrated in FL

    What is happening to this valuable web sight so many of us go to for truth and answers???
    Tonight all I’ve read is like a gargantuan food fight!!!
    Signing off and HOPING tomorrow sanity has returned, CW??????????????????

  225. Sir William – 10:12 PM
    “Jim Jones trained his same followers insuch tactics and advised how to respond withbout giving an answer. He was a master at such.”
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    MIND CONTROL – plain and simple.

  226. Frustrated in FL // July 27, 2010 at 10:21 pm

    What is happening to this valuable web sight so many of us go to for truth and answers???
    Tonight all I’ve read is like a gargantuan food fight!!!
    Signing off and HOPING tomorrow sanity has returned, CW??????????????????

    ditto

  227. Nj native,

    You can stop the “I don’t JS” crap. Really….

    Answer the simple question and quit posing alternative questions as proof. Tell me how you plan to overtrow or replace our current government as your solution? If you cannot, then why are you preaching?

  228. Cabby – AZ // July 27, 2010 at 10:23 pm

    Sir William – 10:12 PM
    “Jim Jones trained his same followers insuch tactics and advised how to respond withbout giving an answer. He was a master at such.”
    **************************
    MIND CONTROL – plain and simple.

    ditto

  229. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) // July 27, 2010 at 10:16 pm

    The only REAL solution is to return to the way it is supposed to work. But the privileged minorities and the MSM will scream like stuck pigs.

    ****************************************

    The way is is supposed to work is not that easy to return to. This is only one in a string of actions that were put into law:

    From a source that I will provide at the end of the entire post:
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    The Constitution was a commercial compact between states, giving the federal government limited powers. The Bill of Rights was meant not as our source of rights, but as further limitations on the federal government. Our fore-fathers saw the potential for danger in the U. S. Constitution. To insure the Constitution was not presumed to be our source of rights, the 10th Amendment was added. I will use a quote from Thomas Jefferson, February 15, 1791, where he quotes the 10th Amendment…

    “I consider the foundation of the Constitution as laid on this ground; That “all powers not delegated to the United States, by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States or to the people.” To take a single step beyond the boundaries thus specially drawn around the powers of Congress, is to take possession of a boundless field of power, no longer susceptible of any definition.”

    The created United States government cannot define the rights of their creator, the American people. Three forms of law were granted to the Constitution, common law, equity (contract law) and Admiralty law. Each had their own jurisdiction and purpose.

    The first issue I want to cover is the United States flag. Obviously from known history our flag did not have a yellow fringe bordering three sides. The United States did not start putting flags with a yellow fringe on them in government buildings and public buildings until 1959. Of course the question you would ask yourself; why did it change and are there any legal meanings behind this? Oh yes!

    First the appearance of our flag is defined in Title 4 sec. 1. U.S.C..

    “The flag of the United States shall be thirteen horizontal stripes, alternate red and white; and the union of the flag shall be forty-eight stars, white in a blue field.” (Note – of course when new states are admitted new stars are added.)

    A foot note was added on page 1113 of the same section which says:

    “Placing of fringe on the national flag, the dimensions of the flag, and arrangement of the stars are matters of detail not controlled by statute, but within the discretion of the President as Commander-In-Chief of the Army and Navy.” – 1925, 34 Op.Atty.Gen. 483.

    The president as military commander can add a yellow fringe to our flag. When would this be done? During a time of war. Why? A flag with a fringe is an ensign, a military flag. Read the following.

    “Pursuant to U.S.C. Chapter 1, 2, and 3; Executive Order No. 10834, August 21, 1959, 24 F.R. 6865, a military flag is a flag that resembles the regular flag of the United States, except that it has a YELLOW FRINGE, bordered on three sides. The President of the United states designates this deviation from the regular flag, by executive order, and in his capacity as COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF of the Armed forces.”

    The reason I started with the Flag issue is because it is so easy to grasp. The main problem I have with the yellow fringe is that by its use our Constitutional Republic is no more. Our system of law was changed without the public’s knowledge. It was kept secret. This is fraud. The American people were allowed to believe this was just a decoration. Because the law changed from Common Law (God’s Law) to Admiralty Law (the kings law) your status also changed from sovereign to subject. From being able to own property (allodial title) to not owning property (tenet on the land). If you think you own your property, stop paying taxes, it will be taken under the prize law.

    “The ultimate ownership of all property is in the state; individual so-called `ownership’ is only by virtue of government, i.e., law, amounting to a mere user; and use must be in accordance with law and subordinate to the necessities of the State.” – Senate Document No. 43, “Contracts payable in Gold” written in 1933.

    By our allowing to let these military flags fly, the American people have admitted our defeat and loss of status. Read on, you’ll see what I mean. Remember the Constitution recognizes three forms of law, being governed by the Law of the Flag is Admiralty law.
    When you walk into a court and see this flag you are put on notice that you are in a Admiralty Court and that the king is in control. Also, if there is a king the people are no longer sovereign. You’re probably saying this is the most incredible thing I have ever heard. YOU have read the proof, it will stand up in court. But wait, there is more, you probably would say, how could this happen? Here’s how. Admiralty law is for the sea, maritime law govern’s contracts between parties that trade over the sea. Well, that’s what our fore-fathers intended. However, in 1845 Congress passed an act saying Admiralty law could come on land. The bill may be traced in Cong. Globe, 28th Cong., 2d. Sess. 43, 320, 328, 337, 345(1844-45), no opposition to the Act is reported. Congress held a committee on this subject in 1850 and they said:

    It was up to the Supreme Court to stop Congress and say NO! The Constitution did not give you that power, nor was it intended. But no, the courts began a long train of abuses, here are some excerpts from a few court cases.

    “This power is as extensive upon land as upon water. The Constitution makes no distinction in that respect. And if the admiralty jurisdiction, in matters of contract and tort which the courts of the United States may lawfully exercise on the high seas, can be extended to the lakes under the power to regulate commerce, it can with the same propriety and upon the same construction, be extended to contracts and torts on land when the commerce is between different States. And it may embrace also the vehicles and persons engaged in carrying it on (my note – remember what the law of the flag said when you receive benefits from the king.) It would be in the power of Congress to confer admiralty jurisdiction upon its courts, over the cars engaged in transporting passengers or merchandise from one State to another, and over the persons engaged in conducting them, and deny to the parties the trial by jury. Now the judicial power in cases of admiralty and maritime jurisdiction, has never been supposed to extend to contracts made on land and to be executed on land. But if the power of regulating commerce can be made the foundation of jurisdiction in its courts, and a new and extended admiralty jurisdiction beyond its heretofore known and admitted limits, may be created on water under that authority, the same reason would justify the same exercise of power on land.” — Propeller Genessee Chief et al. v. Fitzhugh et al. 12 How. 443 (U.S. 1851)

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  230. SirWilliam // July 27, 2010 at 10:28 pm

    Nj native,

    You can stop the “I don’t JS” crap.

    ditto

  231. Jacqlyn Smith

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    Cabby – AZ // July 27, 2010 at 9:46 pm

    Unbelievable! UNBELIEVABLE!

    Today started out with a sharing of thoughts in a spirit of comradeship and respect. There was a sense of unity, even though we all have differing opinions. All those opinions, however, blend to make this blog a rewarding experience, knowing that there are others of like mind.

    (SAYS WHO….Y-O-U???)

    When I got back late this afternoon, here is one poster who has gone literally on a tirade – gone on one wild ride of nasty criticism, judgmental comments in the extreme, and unbelievable conduct. What do you expect to accomplish from all of this, Jacqlyn?

    (TACTIC #8..SHE LOVES TO FEEL IN CONTROL….
    8. Invoke authority. Claim for yourself or associate yourself with authority and present your argument with enough ‘jargon’ and ‘minutia’ to illustrate you are ‘one who knows’, and simply say it isn’t so without discussing issues or demonstrating concretely why or citing sources. )

    I don’t know your heart, but your actions speak volumes – and not for good. You gain nothing by trying to find a disinformation # that fits each of us. Don’t you realize that you are only turning people against your wonderful PLAN?
    You need to go back and reread the comments you have made – not a pretty sight!

    (SOMETIMES THE TRUTH JUST HURTS…DOESN’T IT CABBY???)

    OK, I am ready to receive my blows. Assign every one of the #’s to me. I can take it, if that is what it takes to speak the truth.

    I know, Jacqlyn, that you have insulted and turned people away from other sites. Now, is that what you are trying to do here?

    (ARE YOU REALLY READING THE SAME BLOG AS ME…..YOU AND YOUR LITTLE TEAM HERE ARE THE ONES INSULTING PEOPLE AND TURNING OTHERS AWAY….I AM MERELY POINTING OUT THE TACTICS THAT YOU HAVE BEEN USING FOR MANY MONTHS NOW)
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    My dear Cabby…..you my friend are one of the biggest abusers and someone who also possesses many of the tactics I have laid out above….you would love to run ME off of here and I know you have tried on many occasions…..Oh….let’s kill them with kindness …..let’s see if that works…
    Review the list Cabby….you certainly fit the first two traits of a disinformationalist and also #4…you go girl though…..because you are so-o–o-o good at it….

    1) Avoidance. They never actually discuss issues head-on or provide constructive input, generally avoiding citation of references or credentials. Rather, they merely imply this, that, and the other. Virtually everything about their presentation implies their authority and expert knowledge in the matter without any further justification for credibility.

    2) Selectivity. They tend to pick and choose opponents carefully, either applying the hit-and-run approach against mere commentators supportive of opponents, or focusing heavier attacks on key opponents who are known to directly address issues. Should a commentator become argumentative with any success, the focus will shift to include the commentator as well.

    4) Teamwork. They tend to operate in self-congratulatory and complementary packs or teams. Of course, this can happen naturally in any public forum, but there will likely be an ongoing pattern of frequent exchanges of this sort where professionals are involved. Sometimes one of the players will infiltrate the opponent camp to become a source for straw man or other tactics designed to dilute opponent presentation strength.

    Yeah….I think I have described you and your tactics to a tea…..now please……if you want to work together and restore our republic I for one am all for it ……but I am NO LONGER putting up with your BS and that of your cohorts!

  232. *Cabby – AZ // July 27, 2010 at 10:23 pm

    Sir William – 10:12 PM
    “Jim Jones trained his same followers insuch tactics and advised how to respond withbout giving an answer. He was a master at such.”
    **************************
    MIND CONTROL – plain and simple.

    ditto

  233. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    Free Speech // July 27, 2010 at 9:46 pm

    Paxson // July 27, 2010 at 9:34 pm

    Right now we are witnessing a temper tantrum and irrational behavior. The delivery sucks.
    *********************************

    Agree 100%
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Yeah okay FS….you add so much to the conversation…WOW…I’m totally impressed…NOT!

  234. What is it that these cult droids cannot answer a simple question?

    Ask a question….its rule 5, answer none

    Pose a question.. its rule 12, they are lying

    Confront them…..its rule 16, you are lying again

    Question them… apply rule 3, don’t answer, pose a question back.

    Heck, you folks are a Jim Jones Fantacy.

  235. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    SirWilliam // July 27, 2010 at 9:56 pm

    Ok Jacqlyn,

    I’ll ask you directly then.

    Why are all 50 Governors in the United States not in handcuffs, in prison, or no chiose to resign, as promised by RAP, in which the U.S. had no choise in the matter. What happened? Other than than threw it in the garbage pn.
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    FACT…..here’s your answer…..

    The Original RAP Plan – The plan going back to March 2010 was to serve all 50 state governors with papers. They were told what was wrong with the government, what to fix, and when to fix it. They were required to take new oaths. The governors called the FBI and did nothing. The FBI also did nothing. A media blackout ensued. An attempt was made to kill Tim Turner as a result. The media was blacked out because it was too damaging to show the public what the demands and claims RAP was making were about. All the wrongs of the government and how they violated the constitution and the rights of the people were illustrated in depth. So they thought it best to resort to murder. What else would you expect? The original RAP plan was not as good as what is in place now. It would have removed the states from under the fed but left the fed in place, maybe with no funding. I think the current plan is more comprehensive and better. The governors will be replaced under this plan and may have already happened. The plan now completed is a clean sweep and cleans out all the garbage operating under color of government. When RAP ran into resistance with the governors of the 50 states plan they first extended the deadline. Then they encountered some unforeseen problems which they overcame with the new plan.

    Okay…..NOW WHAT????

  236. iam // July 27, 2010 at 10:42 pm

    What is it that these cult droids cannot answer a simple question?

    Ask a question….its rule 5, answer none

    Pose a question.. its rule 12, they are lying

    Confront them…..its rule 16, you are lying again

    Question them… apply rule 3, don’t answer, pose a question back.

    Heck, you folks are a Jim Jones Fantacy.

  237. Dennis Kucinich: WikiLeaks gave us 92,000 reasons to leave Afghanistan PICK ONE! (video)

  238. Natural born citizens are those born in a country to citizen parents. I rest the case for “WE THE PEOPLE” :)

  239. Democrat: Let’s have mandatory national service

    Measure orders U.S. citizens to perform duties under Obama for 2 years

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=184325

  240. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    Paxson // July 27, 2010 at 9:56 pm

    Jacqlyn Smith // July 27, 2010 at 9:44 pm

    Why are you asking FS…..can’t you do your own research and find out the truth…..
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    FS is an attorney and quotes people that I respect like Justice Scalia. If it is good enough for Scalia…. FS has done the research ..
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    And these people are an authority on the RAP HOW???? You don’t ask someone the answer to something when they themselves are disinformationalist on the subject and only try to stifle the truth about the RAP with misinformation and half-truths…..you weren’t born yesterday were you PAX???

  241. Hawaiian birth? Doesn’t matter

    Best-selling book cites Founders, numerous Supreme Court rulings

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=184453

  242. http://crotona.com/blog/tonight-ghostfighters-aib-radio-episode-302-july-20-2010-9pm-edt

    I posted this previously. Must listen to video on july 20th. Listen to the archives. It has everything that has happened to date and all the new things. This is posted for you fellow wellians For those that want to know what some really great americans are doing and the wealth of knowledge they share about our current state of affairs. This is not a rap recording.

  243. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    nj native // July 27, 2010 at 10:13 pm

    SirWilliam // July 27, 2010 at 9:56 pm

    Ok Jacqlyn,

    I’ll ask you directly then.

    Why are all 50 Governors in the United States not in handcuffs, in prison, or no chiose to resign, as promised by RAP, in which the U.S. had no choise in the matter. What happened? Other than than threw it in the garbage pn.
    ***************************************

    I think the answer to that question is self evident, real question is why are the members of RAP still walking the streets free men after issuing letters to the governors asking for them to resign? This was no one page letter. If I recall correctly it was 30 pages. It was followed by pages of signatures of grand jury members, JS correct me if i’m wrong because i dont follow RAP. Please brief me again on the content of the letter.

    I think it’s a question worth asking AND ANSWERING.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    nj…you got it right…..it is taking me a while to fend off the disinformationalist and I appreciate your helping to get the truth out…thanks my friend!

  244. Papers prepped to disbar Elena Kagan

    ‘She should not be a justice when she’s defrauded the Supreme Court’

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=184317

  245. ‘JournoList’ group tied to White House, radicals
    Reporters conspired with socialists, ACORN partners, Soros-funded groups

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=184597

  246. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    bob strauss // July 27, 2010 at 10:19 pm

    JS, I love that list you posted. Alinsky tactics exposed. Thanks for the concise definitions and methods used.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Bob…..I know it is similar to the Alinsky tactics but it is actually how these people are trying to stifle the truth and prevent the restoring of our republic from moving forward using “disinformational tactics”…these are not Alinsky’s…they belong to H. Michael Sweeney…..it is everyone’s responsibility and duty to throw off a form of government that has become destructive against the people’s rights…..we need all hands on deck….none of this playing patty-cake with the US Corporation!

  247. Paxson // July 27, 2010 at 9:56 pm

    Jacqlyn Smith // July 27, 2010 at 9:44 pm

    Why are you asking FS…..can’t you do your own research and find out the truth…..
    ——————————————————–

    FS is an attorney and quotes people that I respect like Justice Scalia. If it is good enough for Scalia…. FS has done the research ..

  248. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    Frustrated in FL // July 27, 2010 at 10:21 pm

    What is happening to this valuable web sight so many of us go to for truth and answers???
    Tonight all I’ve read is like a gargantuan food fight!!!
    Signing off and HOPING tomorrow sanity has returned, CW??????????????????
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    All I have to say to you frustrated is…..

    “The future doesn’t belong to the faint-hearted. It belongs to the brave.” — Ronald Reagan

    Come back when you can handle the truth!

  249. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    Cabby – AZ // July 27, 2010 at 10:23 pm

    Sir William – 10:12 PM
    “Jim Jones trained his same followers insuch tactics and advised how to respond withbout giving an answer. He was a master at such.”
    **************************
    MIND CONTROL – plain and simple.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    AW Yes….someone who has certainly perfected that tactic….you are so good at it Cabby….I can hear the standing ovation already…..

    tactic #6
    6. Hit and Run. In any public forum, make a brief attack of your opponent or the opponent position and then scamper off before an answer can be fielded, or simply ignore any answer. This works extremely well in Internet and letters-to-the-editor environments where a steady stream of new identities can be called upon without having to explain criticism reasoning — simply make an accusation or other attack, never discussing issues, and never answering any subsequent response, for that would dignify the opponent’s viewpoint.

    Wow and this tactic too

    7. Question motives. Twist or amplify any fact which could be taken to imply that the opponent operates out of a hidden personal agenda or other bias. This avoids discussing issues and forces the accuser on the defensive.

    Really Cabby your tactics are useless I will not let you get away with your nonsense any longer!

  250. Freespeech,

    I am off for the night. I am excited for your play by play judical commentary in the morning and look forward to your analysis as most of here do.

    If the poster nj native believes I will await walking on water sermon at the end of this post, convey my I don’t give a …… to him.

    See ya in the morning freespeech and other patriots. Looking forward to the play by play action.

    By the way freespeech, I did not know you were once in the t.v.business early in your career. This would explain why you did such an excellent job covering the trial today.

    Great job,

  251. Jacqlyn Smith

    nj native // July 27, 2010 at 10:31 pm
    says…..
    ****************************************

    The way is is supposed to work is not that easy to return to. This is only one in a string of actions that were put into law:

    From a source that I will provide at the end of the entire post:

    The Constitution was a commercial compact between states, giving the federal government limited powers. The Bill of Rights was meant not as our source of rights, but as further limitations on the federal government. Our fore-fathers saw the potential for danger in the U. S. Constitution. To insure the Constitution was not presumed to be our source of rights, the 10th Amendment was added. I will use a quote from Thomas Jefferson, February 15, 1791, where he quotes the 10th Amendment…

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    WOW….nj….thanks for all of this valuable information…I will certainly share! Very Good! :)

  252. This thread was excellent except for JS posts until the obots flooded in about 4 pm to join JS in her disruption. I recommend just skipping JS posts.

  253. SirWilliam // July 27, 2010 at 11:15 pm

    Freespeech,

    I am off for the night. I am excited for your play by play judical commentary in the morning and look forward to your analysis as most of here do.

    If the poster nj native believes I will await walking on water sermon at the end of this post, convey my I don’t give a …… to him.

    See ya in the morning freespeech and other patriots. Looking forward to the play by play action.

    By the way freespeech, I did not know you were once in the t.v.business early in your career. This would explain why you did such an excellent job covering the trial today.

    Great job,
    ********************************

  254. SirWilliam // July 27, 2010 at 11:15 pm

    Freespeech,

    I am off for the night. I am excited for your play by play judical commentary in the morning and look forward to your analysis as most of here do.

    If the poster nj native believes I will await walking on water sermon at the end of this post, convey my I don’t give a …… to him.

    See ya in the morning freespeech and other patriots. Looking forward to the play by play action.

    By the way freespeech, I did not know you were once in the t.v.business early in your career. This would explain why you did such an excellent job covering the trial today.

    Great job,
    ********************************
    Thanks

  255. I’ve been coming here for about two years to learn from knowledgeable, well informed patriots. You all have been a great source of information since we don’t get the truth from the lame stream media. I’ve cried with some of you and rejoiced with some of you. At times I’ve received solace and hope for the future.

    It is a difficult time we are experiencing as we watch our beloved country being transformed into a socialistic regime. I am fearful for what the future brings if this evil continues. Many come here to watch and to observe and to feel the pulse and the heartbeat of the discerned nation. Mr. Wells has spent countless hours attempting to inform and educate.

    And now I fear that this one place of knowledge and refuge is purposely being defeated from within by those whose intent is to steal and destroy. The adversaries are surely laughing with joy at the demise of a once noble and enlightening bastion for freedom. Please bring only edifying commentary to this site least we self destruct. Those who fail to comply, well, we’ll know for sure who the obots are.

  256. Jacqlyn Smith –
    Really Cabby your tactics are useless I will not let you get away with your nonsense any longer!
    **************************
    D I T T O !!!

  257. yup, i just scroll by js posts. wish she’d just take a break so we can get back to what’s real. it’s wasting everybody’s time with all this cRAP.

  258. Jonah // July 27, 2010 at 11:35 pm

    I’ve been coming here for about two years to learn from knowledgeable, well informed patriots. You all have been a great source of information since we don’t get the truth from the lame stream media. I’ve cried with some of you and rejoiced with some of you. At times I’ve received solace and hope for the future.

    It is a difficult time we are experiencing as we watch our beloved country being transformed into a socialistic regime. I am fearful for what the future brings if this evil continues. Many come here to watch and to observe and to feel the pulse and the heartbeat of the discerned nation. Mr. Wells has spent countless hours attempting to inform and educate.

    And now I fear that this one place of knowledge and refuge is purposely being defeated from within by those whose intent is to steal and destroy. The adversaries are surely laughing with joy at the demise of a once noble and enlightening bastion for freedom. Please bring only edifying commentary to this site least we self destruct. Those who fail to comply, well, we’ll know for sure who the obots are.
    ***********************************

    AMEN! Jonah

  259. My original question to Aussie is to show me some indication that we have a de jure goverment. Unfortunately i see nothing that indicates we have anything other than a corporation running the country. A corporation which has no jurisdiction beyond the 10 square miles ouside DC. The challenge is still out there for someone to show me something else. Trust me I want to believe it isnt true.

    There is alot of talk about how are we going to OVERTHROW this goverment. Who says anything about overthrowing a goverment. No one has ever used those words except some irresponsible people here. Besides, I see no indication we have a goverment.

    Unfortunately, we are no longer in a position where it is all that simple. Those who have been fighting this battle have been in it for 20 years and frankly there arent enough hours in the day for me to catch up. The most I can do is educate myself the best I can to recognize what is true and what is false. We’re at that point.

    I know enough to know that Rod Class and his fellow private attorney generals can be trusted. Rod Class is now on the board of directors of RAP although he is not a member. I encourage all of you to listen to the archive that I posted above. It will be the most important thing you will do in your life. Then tell everyone because trust me it’s a lonely journey. As you can see it isnt that easy to explain. If you read my lengthy post on the flag you will see what we are up against. There are no simple answers and no easy solutions.

  260. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    Free Speech // July 27, 2010 at 11:23 pm

    This thread was excellent except for JS posts until the obots flooded in about 4 pm to join JS in her disruption. I recommend just skipping JS posts.
    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    ME BIG MAN….ME KNOW WHAT ALL YOU SHOULD DO…..SKIP…SKIP…SKIP…..FS is a disinformationalist of the highest standards…..

    tactic #8

    8. Invoke authority. Claim for yourself or associate yourself with authority and present your argument with enough ‘jargon’ and ‘minutia’ to illustrate you are ‘one who knows’, and simply say it isn’t so without discussing issues or demonstrating concretely why or citing sources.

    tactic #6

    6. Hit and Run. In any public forum, make a brief attack of your opponent or the opponent position and then scamper off before an answer can be fielded, or simply ignore any answer. This works extremely well in Internet and letters-to-the-editor environments where a steady stream of new identities can be called upon without having to explain criticism reasoning — simply make an accusation or other attack, never discussing issues, and never answering any subsequent response, for that would dignify the opponent’s viewpoint.

    tactic #5….
    5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary ‘attack the messenger’ ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as ‘kooks’, ‘right-wing’, ‘liberal’, ‘left-wing’, ‘terrorists’, ‘conspiracy buffs’, ‘radicals’, ‘militia’, ‘racists’, ‘religious fanatics’, ‘sexual deviates’, and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.

    tactic #18
    18. Emotionalize, Antagonize, and Goad Opponents. If you can’t do anything else, chide and taunt your opponents and draw them into emotional responses which will tend to make them look foolish and overly motivated, and generally render their material somewhat less coherent. Not only will you avoid discussing the issues in the first instance, but even if their emotional response addresses the issue, you can further avoid the issues by then focusing on how ‘sensitive they are to criticism.’

    tactic #24
    24. Silence critics. If the above methods do not prevail, consider removing opponents from circulation by some definitive solution so that the need to address issues is removed entirely. This can be by their death, arrest and detention, blackmail or destruction of their character by release of blackmail information, or merely by destroying them financially, emotionally, or severely damaging their health.

    Yeah….FS….I would say you are probably right up there with CC as one of the biggest disinformationalist out there……DUH…..WHO ME???? 100% of the time too!!!

  261. indymac // July 27, 2010 at 11:38 pm

    yup, i just scroll by js posts. wish she’d just take a break so we can get back to what’s real. it’s wasting everybody’s time with all this cRAP.
    *******************************
    ditto

  262. nj native cRAP!

  263. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    Cabby – AZ // July 27, 2010 at 11:36 pm

    Jacqlyn Smith –
    Really Cabby your tactics are useless I will not let you get away with your nonsense any longer!
    **************************
    D I T T O !!!
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    That’s your answer…..taking some lessons from FS I see!

  264. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    indymac // July 27, 2010 at 11:38 pm

    yup, i just scroll by js posts. wish she’d just take a break so we can get back to what’s real. it’s wasting everybody’s time with all this cRAP.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    You can always go waste your time somewhere else….it is still a free country and I aim to help keep it that way…..bye now!

  265. Jacqlyn Smith

    Jonah // July 27, 2010 at 11:35 pm

    I’ve been coming here for about two years to learn from knowledgeable, well informed patriots. You all have been a great source of information since we don’t get the truth from the lame stream media. I’ve cried with some of you and rejoiced with some of you. At times I’ve received solace and hope for the future.

    It is a difficult time we are experiencing as we watch our beloved country being transformed into a socialistic regime. I am fearful for what the future brings if this evil continues. Many come here to watch and to observe and to feel the pulse and the heartbeat of the discerned nation. Mr. Wells has spent countless hours attempting to inform and educate.

    And now I fear that this one place of knowledge and refuge is purposely being defeated from within by those whose intent is to steal and destroy. The adversaries are surely laughing with joy at the demise of a once noble and enlightening bastion for freedom. Please bring only edifying commentary to this site least we self destruct. Those who fail to comply, well, we’ll know for sure who the obots are.
    ***********************************

    AMEN! Jonah
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    AMEN? Jonah

  266. Jonah,
    Thanks for your reply last night concerning the three different types of US citizens and the draft cards. Quite interesting that they changed it to listing only two years later.
    I would suggest you NOT call SS there in Chicago though ;)
    We don’t want you “disappearing”. Thanks again for your help. Take care.

  267. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    nj native // July 27, 2010 at 11:39 pm

    My original question to Aussie is to show me some indication that we have a de jure goverment. Unfortunately i see nothing that indicates we have anything other than a corporation running the country. A corporation which has no jurisdiction beyond the 10 square miles ouside DC. The challenge is still out there for someone to show me something else. Trust me I want to believe it isnt true.

    There is alot of talk about how are we going to OVERTHROW this goverment. Who says anything about overthrowing a goverment. No one has ever used those words except some irresponsible people here. Besides, I see no indication we have a goverment.

    Unfortunately, we are no longer in a position where it is all that simple. Those who have been fighting this battle have been in it for 20 years and frankly there arent enough hours in the day for me to catch up. The most I can do is educate myself the best I can to recognize what is true and what is false. We’re at that point.

    I know enough to know that Rod Class and his fellow private attorney generals can be trusted. Rod Class is now on the board of directors of RAP although he is not a member. I encourage all of you to listen to the archive that I posted above. It will be the most important thing you will do in your life. Then tell everyone because trust me it’s a lonely journey. As you can see it isnt that easy to explain. If you read my lengthy post on the flag you will see what we are up against. There are no simple answers and no easy solutions.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    nj…..great comments but just so you know…..Rod Class is the only outsider who was invited and later appointed to be on the RAP Council…..Rod is 100% on board with RAP and will be very involved down the road….hopefully he will be our next Attorney General or serve some other very important role in the new government…..that man is brilliant and knows the legal system inside and out!

  268. Again I ask….

    Anyone want a beer?

  269. A very timely musical interlude:

    LIVES IN THE BALANCE
    by Jackson Browne

    I’ve been waiting for something to happen
    For a week or a month or a year
    With the blood in the ink of the headlines
    And the sound of the crowd in my ear
    You might ask what it takes to remember
    When you know that you’ve seen it before
    Where a government lies to a people
    And a country is drifting to war

    And there’s a shadow on the faces
    Of the men who send the guns
    To the wars that are fought in places
    Where their business interest runs

    On the radio talk shows and the T.V.
    You hear one thing again and again
    How the U.S.A. stands for freedom
    And we come to the aid of a friend
    But who are the ones that we call our friends–
    These governments killing their own?
    Or the people who finally can’t take any more
    And they pick up a gun or a brick or a stone
    There are lives in the balance
    There are people under fire
    There are children at the cannons
    And there is blood on the wire

    There’s a shadow on the faces
    Of the men who fan the flames
    Of the wars that are fought in places
    Where we can’t even say the names

    They sell us the President the same way
    They sell us our clothes and our cars
    They sell us every thing from youth to religion
    The same time they sell us our wars
    I want to know who the men in the shadows are
    I want to hear somebody asking them why
    They can be counted on to tell us who our enemies are
    But they’re never the ones to fight or to die
    And there are lives in the balance
    There are people under fire
    There are children at the cannons
    And there is blood on the wire

  270. SHERIFF BABEU OF AZ. WANTS OBAMA TO
    COME TO ARIZONA TO SEE HOW BAD IT REALLY IS

    Video:

  271. Cabby – AZ // July 28, 2010 at 12:35 am

    thanks

  272. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    hapnHal // July 28, 2010 at 12:19 am

    Again I ask….

    Anyone want a beer?
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Sure ….is it cold????

  273. JS…..

    Yes, it’s cold.

    Think we should invite Obama…..love to see “O” drunk!

  274. I stopped in for a break from canning to see if the regular s**t was still going.
    HINT:
    KEEP SCROLLING, IGNORE AND THE ODDBALLS DISAPPEAR.
    IT WORKS WITH 3 YEAR OLDS…IT’LL WORK HERE.

    WHEN YOU COMMENT ABOUT THE CRAP YOU’RE COMPLAINING ABOUT, YOU’RE NOT THE SOLUTION, YOU’RE THE PROBLEM.

  275. Free Speech // July 28, 2010 at 12:38 am

    Cabby – AZ // July 28, 2010 at 12:35 am

    thanks
    *****************************
    You’re welcome. Isn’t this situation here terrible?

  276. Fernley Girl

    Well.

    Thought I’d see if CW had returned to its former glory.

    Not.

    JS said on July 27, 2010 at 11:10 pm:

    “Come back when you can handle the truth!”

    **********

    WTF?

    JS,
    Please go start your own blog. This is Wells’ blog, and I have NO idea WHY you think you can invite, or disinvite, people to come or go here. Starting your own blog is amazingly simple. No need for you to highjack CW’s thread here just because you want to stand on a soapbox for hours. GO GET YOUR OWN DAMN SOAPBOX.

    AAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

  277. Cabby – AZ // July 28, 2010 at 12:35 am
    *************
    Wish he would go to Arizona, then go straight to jail for failure to show his papers.

  278. i think maybe JS is just an obot on a mission to undermine this forum. who knows, but too bad cuz it’s not easy dealing with those hell bent on disruption and psychotic rantings, cut and pastings, on and on and fighting with any and all. oh well, maybe she’s aiming for a position in tim turner’s new cabinet, lol, though the medicine cabinet might suit her better.

  279. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    hapnHal // July 28, 2010 at 12:58 am

    JS…..

    Yes, it’s cold.

    Think we should invite Obama…..love to see “O” drunk!
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Hal…..I would like to see less of his mug…..he is nothing more than a Liar and a cheat…..besides being a druggy too!

  280. Hi, Dabig – 1:03 AM

    Yeh, someone has said that he wouldn’t want to set foot in AZ because he might get arrested. I bet that he will never make an appearance here now, although he did during the campaign. However, that was before the NBC issue became so prominent.

  281. Jacqlyn Smith

    Fernley Girl // July 28, 2010 at 1:02 am

    Well.

    Thought I’d see if CW had returned to its former glory.

    Not.

    JS said on July 27, 2010 at 11:10 pm:

    “Come back when you can handle the truth!”

    **********

    WTF?

    JS,
    Please go start your own blog. This is Wells’ blog, and I have NO idea WHY you think you can invite, or disinvite, people to come or go here. Starting your own blog is amazingly simple. No need for you to highjack CW’s thread here just because you want to stand on a soapbox for hours. GO GET YOUR OWN DAMN SOAPBOX.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    FG…as a fellow Nevadan you sure are a disappointment……I don’t wish to start my own blog but you can if you want to…..I have several friends who come to this blog and read….they may not comment like you do with your disinformational tactics but I and many others are on to your game so you can stop any time now…..and the same applies to you…..
    COME BACK WHEN YOU CAN HANDLE THE TRUTH……it seems you disinformationalist like to dish it out but you can’t take it…..Bye NoW!

  282. DABIG // July 27, 2010 at 11:53 pm
    Jonah,
    Thanks for your reply last night concerning the three different types of US citizens and the draft cards. Quite interesting that they changed it to listing only two years later.
    I would suggest you NOT call SS there in Chicago though ;)
    We don’t want you “disappearing”. Thanks again for your help. Take care.
    =======================

    I have no intentions of asking the Selective Service why they changed the WWI form from natural born to native born. Maybe someday under a different administration.

    Let me know if ever decide you might want to do a little genealogy digging in your state. Some day I’d like to return and do some “excavating” myself. We were there in ’89 visiting family. Oahu. Big Island. Maui. Beautiful!

  283. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    indymac // July 28, 2010 at 1:08 am

    i think maybe JS is just an obot on a mission to undermine this forum. who knows, but too bad cuz it’s not easy dealing with those hell bent on disruption and psychotic rantings, cut and pastings, on and on and fighting with any and all. oh well, maybe she’s aiming for a position in tim turner’s new cabinet, lol, though the medicine cabinet might suit her better.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    You mean like you are doing right now…..sounds like you have already hit the meds……move on if you have nothing better to say….another agent for disinformation….

    tactic #6

    6. Hit and Run. In any public forum, make a brief attack of your opponent or the opponent position and then scamper off before an answer can be fielded, or simply ignore any answer. This works extremely well in Internet and letters-to-the-editor environments where a steady stream of new identities can be called upon without having to explain criticism reasoning — simply make an accusation or other attack, never discussing issues, and never answering any subsequent response, for that would dignify the opponent’s viewpoint.

    Hey Macaroo….why don’t you HIT & RUN somewhere else…..bye NOW!!!

  284. Jon Stewart: Andrew Breitbart May Be the Most Honest Person In This Entire Story (Video)

    http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2010/07/jon-stewart-andrew-breitbart-may-be-the-honest-person-in-this-whole-story-video/

  285. MASS. LEGISLATURE APPROVES PLAN TO BYPASS ELECTORAL COLLEGE

    This is what jbjd has been referring to.

    This is a must read, if you haven’t already done so.

    http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2010/07/mass_legislatur.html?p1=News_links

  286. Jacqlyn Smith

    Jonah // July 28, 2010 at 1:30 am

    Jon Stewart: Andrew Breitbart May Be the Most Honest Person In This Entire Story (Video)

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Jonah…..not that I am a Jon Stewart fan but that was great…..thank you for the post! :)

  287. I am so disappointed to see this website returning to what it was a few months ago.. CW has worked very hard in getting his information to us…. Although I respect our right to free speech, I do not enjoy coming in here to read all the bickering going on relating to RAP.. For a while, we had peace in this forum…It was my understanding that there is another informative web site to visit which was made especially for those interested in RAP…So where did it go? Although we DO have freedom of speech here, I feel that CW deserves respect from us in that we should make all attempts to stick with the subject matter he presents to us…. We SHOULD NOT be bickering in here. Also, I do NOT believe this is the place to discuss overthrowing the government, although I understand entirely and respect the reasons for the “Plan’..November 2 is just around the corner.. We NEED to concentrate on cleaning out the TRASH Nov 2.. After that, it may be too late….Let’s get it done.

  288. amy // July 28, 2010 at 1:46 am
    =========================

    I agree. Let’s stop the bickering!

    There was a time when you come here and learn the latest news before it hits the major news networks. If someone read a hot news story they’d immediately share it here. No one had their own agenda. Can we please return to doing what made this blog so successful?

  289. Free Speech

    JJ // July 28, 2010 at 12:58 am

    I stopped in for a break from canning to see if the regular s**t was still going.
    HINT:
    KEEP SCROLLING, IGNORE AND THE ODDBALLS DISAPPEAR.
    IT WORKS WITH 3 YEAR OLDS…IT’LL WORK HERE.

    WHEN YOU COMMENT ABOUT THE CRAP YOU’RE COMPLAINING ABOUT, YOU’RE NOT THE SOLUTION, YOU’RE THE PROBLEM.
    DITTOJJ // July 28, 2010 at 12:58 am

    I stopped in for a break from canning to see if the regular s**t was still going.
    HINT:
    KEEP SCROLLING, IGNORE AND THE ODDBALLS DISAPPEAR.
    IT WORKS WITH 3 YEAR OLDS…IT’LL WORK HERE.

    WHEN YOU COMMENT ABOUT THE CRAP YOU’RE COMPLAINING ABOUT, YOU’RE NOT THE SOLUTION, YOU’RE THE PROBLEM.

    DITTO

  290. Free Speech

    Cabby – AZ // July 28, 2010 at 12:59 am

    Free Speech // July 28, 2010 at 12:38 am

    Cabby – AZ // July 28, 2010 at 12:35 am

    thanks
    *****************************
    You’re welcome. Isn’t this situation here terrible?
    Cabby – AZ // July 28, 2010 at 12:59 am

    Free Speech // July 28, 2010 at 12:38 am

    Cabby – AZ // July 28, 2010 at 12:35 am

    thanks
    *****************************
    You’re welcome. Isn’t this situation here terrible?

    YES

  291. Free Speech

    Fernley Girl // July 28, 2010 at 1:02 am

    Well.

    Thought I’d see if CW had returned to its former glory.

    Not.

    JS said on July 27, 2010 at 11:10 pm:

    “Come back when you can handle the truth!”

    **********

    WTF?

    JS,
    Please go start your own blog. This is Wells’ blog, and I have NO idea WHY you think you can invite, or disinvite, people to come or go here. Starting your own blog is amazingly simple. No need for you to highjack CW’s thread here just because you want to stand on a soapbox for hours. GO GET YOUR OWN DAMN SOAPBOX.

    AAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

  292. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    amy // July 28, 2010 at 1:46 am

    I am so disappointed to see this website returning to what it was a few months ago.. CW has worked very hard in getting his information to us…. Although I respect our right to free speech, I do not enjoy coming in here to read all the bickering going on relating to RAP.. For a while, we had peace in this forum…It was my understanding that there is another informative web site to visit which was made especially for those interested in RAP…So where did it go? Although we DO have freedom of speech here, I feel that CW deserves respect from us in that we should make all attempts to stick with the subject matter he presents to us…. We SHOULD NOT be bickering in here. Also, I do NOT believe this is the place to discuss overthrowing the government, although I understand entirely and respect the reasons for the “Plan’..November 2 is just around the corner.. We NEED to concentrate on cleaning out the TRASH Nov 2.. After that, it may be too late….Let’s get it done.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    amy…opinions are okay and everybody has one….just like we all have….you know what….anyway….the best way to proceed is for all of the disinformationalist to leave and then the truth and good information can flow…we want people to attack the facts and the information….NOT the messenger……….if you have the truth on your side then you don’t need to fear what anyone else has to say……also you might want to get more involved in restoring the republic…..printing misinformation about RAP is not acceptable and will NO longer be tolerated by folks like myself…..NO ONE is endorsing overthrowing a government…..you have been told this here on many occasions by a number of folks so STOP making things up and repeating what the disinformationalist want you to do……that too is a tactic and you are becoming one of them whether you like it or not….think before you write things you have only heard and have not researched and studied yourself!

  293. Free Speech

    indymac // July 28, 2010 at 1:08 am

    i think maybe JS is just an obot on a mission to undermine this forum. who knows, but too bad cuz it’s not easy dealing with those hell bent on disruption and psychotic rantings, cut and pastings, on and on and fighting with any and all. oh well, maybe she’s aiming for a position in tim turner’s new cabinet, lol, though the medicine cabinet might suit her better.

    DITTO

  294. Free Speech

    amy // July 28, 2010 at 1:46 am

    I am so disappointed to see this website returning to what it was a few months ago.. CW has worked very hard in getting his information to us…. Although I respect our right to free speech, I do not enjoy coming in here to read all the bickering going on relating to RAP.. For a while, we had peace in this forum…It was my understanding that there is another informative web site to visit which was made especially for those interested in RAP…So where did it go? Although we DO have freedom of speech here, I feel that CW deserves respect from us in that we should make all attempts to stick with the subject matter he presents to us…. We SHOULD NOT be bickering in here. Also, I do NOT believe this is the place to discuss overthrowing the government, although I understand entirely and respect the reasons for the “Plan’..November 2 is just around the corner.. We NEED to concentrate on cleaning out the TRASH Nov 2.. After that, it may be too late….Let’s get it done.

    DITTO

  295. Jacqlyn Smith

    Free Speech // July 28, 2010 at 2:09 am

    Fernley Girl // July 28, 2010 at 1:02 am

    Well.

    Thought I’d see if CW had returned to its former glory.

    Not.

    JS said on July 27, 2010 at 11:10 pm:

    “Come back when you can handle the truth!”

    **********

    WTF?

    JS,
    Please go start your own blog. This is Wells’ blog, and I have NO idea WHY you think you can invite, or disinvite, people to come or go here. Starting your own blog is amazingly simple. No need for you to highjack CW’s thread here just because you want to stand on a soapbox for hours. GO GET YOUR OWN DAMN SOAPBOX.

    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    FS…..people have asked you to stop with the disinformation and attacking folks…..now leave or comply….your tactics are not funny!

  296. Free Speech

    amy // July 28, 2010 at 1:46 am

    I am so disappointed to see this website returning to what it was a few months ago.. CW has worked very hard in getting his information to us…. Although I respect our right to free speech, I do not enjoy coming in here to read all the bickering going on relating to RAP.. For a while, we had peace in this forum…It was my understanding that there is another informative web site to visit which was made especially for those interested in RAP…So where did it go? Although we DO have freedom of speech here, I feel that CW deserves respect from us in that we should make all attempts to stick with the subject matter he presents to us…. We SHOULD NOT be bickering in here. Also, I do NOT believe this is the place to discuss overthrowing the government, although I understand entirely and respect the reasons for the “Plan’..November 2 is just around the corner.. We NEED to concentrate on cleaning out the TRASH Nov 2.. After that, it may be too late….Let’s get it done.
    Jonah // July 28, 2010 at 1:58 am

    amy // July 28, 2010 at 1:46 am
    =========================

    I agree. Let’s stop the bickering!

    There was a time when you come here and learn the latest news before it hits the major news networks. If someone read a hot news story they’d immediately share it here. No one had their own agenda. Can we please return to doing what made this blog so successful?

  297. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    Jonah // July 28, 2010 at 1:58 am

    amy // July 28, 2010 at 1:46 am
    =========================

    I agree. Let’s stop the bickering!

    There was a time when you come here and learn the latest news before it hits the major news networks. If someone read a hot news story they’d immediately share it here. No one had their own agenda. Can we please return to doing what made this blog so successful?
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Jonah…..didn’t FS agree with one of your posts….now look what the monster from the blue lagoon is resorting to again…..see what I mean……we must all be vigilant and fight the disinformationlist that have been allowed to infiltrate CW’s blog time and time again!

  298. Free Speech

    I HAVE COUNTED DOZENS OF COMPLAINTS AGAINST JS IN JUST A FEW HOURS

  299. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    Free Speech // July 28, 2010 at 2:14 am

    amy // July 28, 2010 at 1:46 am

    I am so disappointed to see this website returning to what it was a few months ago.. CW has worked very hard in getting his information to us…. Although I respect our right to free speech, I do not enjoy coming in here to read all the bickering going on relating to RAP.. For a while, we had peace in this forum…It was my understanding that there is another informative web site to visit which was made especially for those interested in RAP…So where did it go? Although we DO have freedom of speech here, I feel that CW deserves respect from us in that we should make all attempts to stick with the subject matter he presents to us…. We SHOULD NOT be bickering in here. Also, I do NOT believe this is the place to discuss overthrowing the government, although I understand entirely and respect the reasons for the “Plan’..November 2 is just around the corner.. We NEED to concentrate on cleaning out the TRASH Nov 2.. After that, it may be too late….Let’s get it done.
    Jonah // July 28, 2010 at 1:58 am

    amy // July 28, 2010 at 1:46 am
    =========================

    I agree. Let’s stop the bickering!

    There was a time when you come here and learn the latest news before it hits the major news networks. If someone read a hot news story they’d immediately share it here. No one had their own agenda. Can we please return to doing what made this blog so successful?
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    FS….you are part of the problem here….you are not the solution…..

    tactic# 18
    18. Emotionalize, Antagonize, and Goad Opponents. If you can’t do anything else, chide and taunt your opponents and draw them into emotional responses which will tend to make them look foolish and overly motivated, and generally render their material somewhat less coherent. Not only will you avoid discussing the issues in the first instance, but even if their emotional response addresses the issue, you can further avoid the issues by then focusing on how ‘sensitive they are to criticism.’

    Why not start your own blog as FGirl suggests… all you disinformationalist could move over there and we could have a real discussion here on how to clean up the mess the corporation has caused!!

    “… In every generation the idea of liberty must be reasserted by those with the vision to see through the fog, and rediscovered by the young and courageous.” — Llewellyn H. Rockwell, Jr.

  300. Free Speech

    amy // July 28, 2010 at 1:46 am

    I am so disappointed to see this website returning to what it was a few months ago.. CW has worked very hard in getting his information to us…. Although I respect our right to free speech, I do not enjoy coming in here to read all the bickering going on relating to RAP.. For a while, we had peace in this forum…It was my understanding that there is another informative web site to visit which was made especially for those interested in RAP…So where did it go? Although we DO have freedom of speech here, I feel that CW deserves respect from us in that we should make all attempts to stick with the subject matter he presents to us…. We SHOULD NOT be bickering in here. Also, I do NOT believe this is the place to discuss overthrowing the government, although I understand entirely and respect the reasons for the “Plan’..November 2 is just around the corner.. We NEED to concentrate on cleaning out the TRASH Nov 2.. After that, it may be too late….Let’s get it done.
    Jonah // July 28, 2010 at 1:58 am

    amy // July 28, 2010 at 1:46 am
    =========================

    I agree. Let’s stop the bickering!

    There was a time when you come here and learn the latest news before it hits the major news networks. If someone read a hot news story they’d immediately share it here. No one had their own agenda. Can we please return to doing what made this blog so successful?
    Free Speech // July 28, 2010 at 2:07 am

    JJ // July 28, 2010 at 12:58 am

    I stopped in for a break from canning to see if the regular s**t was still going.
    HINT:
    KEEP SCROLLING, IGNORE AND THE ODDBALLS DISAPPEAR.
    IT WORKS WITH 3 YEAR OLDS…IT’LL WORK HERE.

    WHEN YOU COMMENT ABOUT THE CRAP YOU’RE COMPLAINING ABOUT, YOU’RE NOT THE SOLUTION, YOU’RE THE PROBLEM.
    DITTOJJ // July 28, 2010 at 12:58 am

    I stopped in for a break from canning to see if the regular s**t was still going.
    HINT:
    KEEP SCROLLING, IGNORE AND THE ODDBALLS DISAPPEAR.
    IT WORKS WITH 3 YEAR OLDS…IT’LL WORK HERE.

    WHEN YOU COMMENT ABOUT THE CRAP YOU’RE COMPLAINING ABOUT, YOU’RE NOT THE SOLUTION, YOU’RE THE PROBLEM.

    DITTO
    Free Speech // July 28, 2010 at 2:08 am

    Cabby – AZ // July 28, 2010 at 12:59 am

    Free Speech // July 28, 2010 at 12:38 am

    Cabby – AZ // July 28, 2010 at 12:35 am

    thanks
    *****************************
    You’re welcome. Isn’t this situation here terrible?
    Cabby – AZ // July 28, 2010 at 12:59 am

    Free Speech // July 28, 2010 at 12:38 am

    Cabby – AZ // July 28, 2010 at 12:35 am

    thanks
    *****************************
    You’re welcome. Isn’t this situation here terrible?

    YES
    Free Speech // July 28, 2010 at 2:09 am

    Fernley Girl // July 28, 2010 at 1:02 am

    Well.

    Thought I’d see if CW had returned to its former glory.

    Not.

    JS said on July 27, 2010 at 11:10 pm:

    “Come back when you can handle the truth!”

    **********

    WTF?

    JS,
    Please go start your own blog. This is Wells’ blog, and I have NO idea WHY you think you can invite, or disinvite, people to come or go here. Starting your own blog is amazingly simple. No need for you to highjack CW’s thread here just because you want to stand on a soapbox for hours. GO GET YOUR OWN DAMN SOAPBOX.

    AAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
    Jacqlyn Smith // July 28, 2010 at 2:10 am

    #

    amy // July 28, 2010 at 1:46 am

    I am so disappointed to see this website returning to what it was a few months ago.. CW has worked very hard in getting his information to us…. Although I respect our right to free speech, I do not enjoy coming in here to read all the bickering going on relating to RAP.. For a while, we had peace in this forum…It was my understanding that there is another informative web site to visit which was made especially for those interested in RAP…So where did it go? Although we DO have freedom of speech here, I feel that CW deserves respect from us in that we should make all attempts to stick with the subject matter he presents to us…. We SHOULD NOT be bickering in here. Also, I do NOT believe this is the place to discuss overthrowing the government, although I understand entirely and respect the reasons for the “Plan’..November 2 is just around the corner.. We NEED to concentrate on cleaning out the TRASH Nov 2.. After that, it may be too late….Let’s get it done.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    amy…opinions are okay and everybody has one….just like we all have….you know what….anyway….the best way to proceed is for all of the disinformationalist to leave and then the truth and good information can flow…we want people to attack the facts and the information….NOT the messenger……….if you have the truth on your side then you don’t need to fear what anyone else has to say……also you might want to get more involved in restoring the republic…..printing misinformation about RAP is not acceptable and will NO longer be tolerated by folks like myself…..NO ONE is endorsing overthrowing a government…..you have been told this here on many occasions by a number of folks so STOP making things up and repeating what the disinformationalist want you to do……that too is a tactic and you are becoming one of them whether you like it or not….think before you write things you have only heard and have not researched and studied yourself!
    Free Speech // July 28, 2010 at 2:10 am

    indymac // July 28, 2010 at 1:08 am

    i think maybe JS is just an obot on a mission to undermine this forum. who knows, but too bad cuz it’s not easy dealing with those hell bent on disruption and psychotic rantings, cut and pastings, on and on and fighting with any and all. oh well, maybe she’s aiming for a position in tim turner’s new cabinet, lol, though the medicine cabinet might suit her better.

    DITTO
    Free Speech // July 28, 2010 at 2:12 am

    amy // July 28, 2010 at 1:46 am

    I am so disappointed to see this website returning to what it was a few months ago.. CW has worked very hard in getting his information to us…. Although I respect our right to free speech, I do not enjoy coming in here to read all the bickering going on relating to RAP.. For a while, we had peace in this forum…It was my understanding that there is another informative web site to visit which was made especially for those interested in RAP…So where did it go? Although we DO have freedom of speech here, I feel that CW deserves respect from us in that we should make all attempts to stick with the subject matter he presents to us…. We SHOULD NOT be bickering in here. Also, I do NOT believe this is the place to discuss overthrowing the government, although I understand entirely and respect the reasons for the “Plan’..November 2 is just around the corner.. We NEED to concentrate on cleaning out the TRASH Nov 2.. After that, it may be too late….Let’s get it done.

    DITTO
    Free Speech // July 28, 2010 at 2:14 am

    amy // July 28, 2010 at 1:46 am

    I am so disappointed to see this website returning to what it was a few months ago.. CW has worked very hard in getting his information to us…. Although I respect our right to free speech, I do not enjoy coming in here to read all the bickering going on relating to RAP.. For a while, we had peace in this forum…It was my understanding that there is another informative web site to visit which was made especially for those interested in RAP…So where did it go? Although we DO have freedom of speech here, I feel that CW deserves respect from us in that we should make all attempts to stick with the subject matter he presents to us…. We SHOULD NOT be bickering in here. Also, I do NOT believe this is the place to discuss overthrowing the government, although I understand entirely and respect the reasons for the “Plan’..November 2 is just around the corner.. We NEED to concentrate on cleaning out the TRASH Nov 2.. After that, it may be too late….Let’s get it done.
    Jonah // July 28, 2010 at 1:58 am

    amy // July 28, 2010 at 1:46 am
    =========================

    I agree. Let’s stop the bickering!

    There was a time when you come here and learn the latest news before it hits the major news networks. If someone read a hot news story they’d immediately share it here. No one had their own agenda. Can we please return to doing what made this blog so successful?
    Free Speech // July 28, 2010 at 2:21 am

    I HAVE COUNTED DOZENS OF COMPLAINTS AGAINST JS IN JUST A FEW HOURS

  301. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    Free Speech // July 28, 2010 at 2:21 am

    I HAVE COUNTED DOZENS OF COMPLAINTS AGAINST JS IN JUST A FEW HOURS
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    FS…..who cares…..stop counting and go start your own blog…..you really are a crackpot aren’t you???

    tactic#5

    5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary ‘attack the messenger’ ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as ‘kooks’, ‘right-wing’, ‘liberal’, ‘left-wing’, ‘terrorists’, ‘conspiracy buffs’, ‘radicals’, ‘militia’, ‘racists’, ‘religious fanatics’, ‘sexual deviates’, and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.

    It is quite evident that your only intention here is to run me off of this blog…..you and some others have decided that you are the authority…..well….it ain’t gonna happen…..Go pee on someone else’s parade for a while…..the BS here is getting plenty high from you….for at least most of the this thread you have posted NOTHING OF SUBSTANCE…..many have asked you to STOP….please comply!

  302. Jacqlyn Smith

    Free Speech // July 28, 2010 at 2:14 am
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    FS….your entire cut and paste is directed at you…..people have asked you to stop…..if you have nothing of SUBSTANCE to share or report then move on as others have said!

  303. Jacqlyn Smith

    Jonah // July 28, 2010 at 2:26 am

    A Good Old Fashioned Fox Throwdown Over Bloggers.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Jonah…..
    One good statement from this whole news clip…..

    “the greater good is served by the healthy interplay of ideas and debate” …….something lacking at this blog when the disinformationalist are allowed to throw their tactics around! Thanks for the clip!

  304. indymac // July 27, 2010 at 11:38 pm

    yup, i just scroll by js posts. wish she’d just take a break so we can get back to what’s real. it’s wasting everybody’s time with all this cRAP.
    ===========================
    Ditto… agree 100% especially about the cRAP that is posted here

  305. It is SO easy to avoid my question. Where is the RAP site? Did it fail or something??

  306. CW.. HELP! HELP!

  307. Tired Old Conservative

    amy // July 28, 2010 at 3:47 am

    It is SO easy to avoid my question. Where is the RAP site? Did it fail or something??
    _________________

    There’s no official RAP site when you can discuss RAP issues, but a semi-private Greg Goss’ blog where JS obviosely rules (no links, sorry).

    You can go there and learn about “the only truth” as authorized by wise RAP leaders, but don’t ask any reasonable questions even if the most civic manner – like for instance where is any evidence about the new president Tim Turner – else JS shall demand yours banning (been there, done that).

    JS, you need help, sincerelly.

  308. Amy,it changes as often as the “Plan” does. You can get some links and objective information onRAP,including exposing JS here : http://resistorperish.boardoo.net/viewforum.php?f=2

  309. Greg’s blog is here: http://gwgjlg.wordpress.com/ They love to trash CW and former “friends” over there.But then come back and play headgames.

  310. Mostly they are newagers.Real fruitloops.Smith is the queen of the fruitloops.Always has been.Saw it here years ago.Never engages in honest debate or intelligent discourse.A vain babbler,as the Bible puts it. Here’s their big RAP info dump[yes,that kinda dump] : http://nesaranews.blogspot.com/

  311. Why was Js ever taken out of Dante’s Inferno ala Moderation Hell?????

  312. Many have pleaded with her to start her own blog,but she loves to put other blogs in tatters.

  313. The only other blogs on RAP are conspiracy forums like abovetopsecret and GLP. GLP has a huge thread on it http://www.godlikeproductions.com/search.php?q=governors The links to the official websites should be at Greg’s blog.Now it would be nice to really debate these RAPsters if they would answer some questions.But they have none,because the leaders are not talking.Supposed to announce the big new interim government today.tee hee hee The big day will come and go like all the other failed promises is my guess.

  314. Tired Old Conservative

    Lee // July 28, 2010 at 5:10 am

    Amy,it changes as often as the “Plan” does. You can get some links and objective information onRAP,including exposing JS here : http://resistorperish.boardoo.net/viewforum.php?f=2
    ________________________

    Members of the above linked forum are largely those being banned or harshly bashed for politely exercising their freedom of speech on the Greg Goss’ blog.

    TOC = Tired Old Conservative

  315. Good Morning! I’ll be away for a couple of days. Zach

  316. Here Is An Interesting Commentary From A Catholic Theologian Saying The Truth.

    I Love Lord Jesus Christ Emmanuel, Yeshua, & God The Most Holy Trinity In This World, & The Sacraments Of ALMIGHTY GOD That Are In The Catholic Church.

    However, I Hate Seeing How Many Members In The Catholic Church Are Either Cold or Lukewarm About GOD And Lord Jesus Christ, The Holy Bible, And The Eternal Forever Things About Following God On Earth, Including Many Clergy & Citizens Who Are In The Catholic Church.

    http://www.youtube.com/user/RealCatholicTV#p/a/f/0/43lOy9xo9yo

  317. Last week the manure hit the fan when Andrew Breitbart released a video clip featuring the Marxist Shirley Sherrod speaking to members of NAACP. Within a short time Shirley Sherrod was asked to resign from her position at the Dept of Ag, a position to which she was appointed last year.

    Strangely, the purpose of releasing the clip was not to point the finger at Sherrod but to show the hypocrisy of the NAACP, who the week before had condemned the TEA movement for alleged racism.

    What came to light after the Sherrod resignation, as well as the fact that she kept opening her mouth and shooting herself in the foot, was that she won a lawsuit against the government that is a part of Pigford 1 and Pigford 2.

    This whole case in fact stinks to high heaven. It has been nothing more than a shakedown of the government. Sherrod and her New Communities (a Marxist group) won $13.5 million, and the Nation of Islam were also beneficiaries. Claims have been made from people who were never farmers.

    The Pigford cases appear to be associated with NESARA from what I understand, and it would seem that JS supports the shaking down of the govt via this type of lawsuits and claims.

    Now it would seem that JS has been a little bit too enthusiastic with this posting because by posting all of that information it throws up the fact that she also supports the idea of people fleecing the banks when they think that they can get away with not paying their credit debt.

    I am not familiar with the U.S. when it comes to credit debt. I do know a lot more about the Australian system since I have worked in the field of credit control for many companies, Australian, American and South Korean, as well as Japanese. These were not banks but normal businesses. When people do not pay what they owe after countless demands they are handed over to a debt collector, or depending upon the company they might take out a summons to sue for the debt. This is normal practice. However, if people either paid their bills on time or at least resolved the outstanding issues there would be a lot less of a credit crisis than exists today.

    People should learn to live within their means. They should not be taking out a mortgage if they cannot afford the repayments. They should not be giving false information in order to obtain a loan and they should not be drawing down upon equity in the house, unless they are prepared to pay higher amounts each month. This also goes for buying a car and for other forms of credit.

    As far as mortgages are concerned, we had to pay interest as high as, and over 18% for mortgage not long after we took out our first loan. We did not welch on our debt.

  318. citizenwells

    Thanks Aussie.

  319. @Starla, the RealCatholics are not in fact members of the Catholic Church. They are what is known as Sede Vacantists. They are also fruit loops.

    I am a Catholic and I actually object very strongly to what this particular group says. That includes their anti-pope.

  320. Re: Aussie // July 28, 2010 at 6:47 am

    Your opinion means 0 if you do not take the time to cite the facts & the truth from reliable sources and references that support your opinion.

    Otherwise just giving an opinion about this topic without citing any evidence to your claims means it is “only unsubstantiated just your opinion b.s.” that may be a “fruitloop opinion.”

    I do not know anything about the Catholics you call the “Sede Vacantists” group. I’ll research what you said about this.

    Can you please cite your reliable sources, references, articles, books, facts, etc. here that caused you to make a statement like you have here?

    As always, I am always ready, willing & able to learn new things…..while I do my own research too.

    I know the history of Christianity, do you?

  321. OMG.. What is it with you people attacking others saying they need to do research.. How do you know what research they have already done.. Get over yourself already… These attacks on others knowledge
    has to stop

  322. Here is a Link to my premium membership to Real Catholic TV. I am leaving this here for anyone to use and to watch anything you want to here.

    http://www.realcatholictv.com/premium/

    ALL AMERICANS MUST MOBILIZE And MUST Come Together To Daily Pray to GOD & To Daily Work & To Perform Lots Of Daily Actions Of Virtuous Love & Charity As We Follow & Obey GOD Our Savior Lord Jesus Christ On Earth Who Is Leading Us On Earth….& We Can Pray & Ask Lord Jesus Christ To Guide Us To Protect & Save The USA!

    ALL PEOPLE & ALL AMERICANS WHO CAN READ MUST Daily Read & Obey & Daily Live & Put Into Daily Practice The Holy Forever Words Of God & Savior Of Humanity, The Messiah Lord Jesus Christ, Yeshua, That Are In The Holy Bible On Earth.

    And All People Who Can Read Must Also Read & Obey The 10 Commandments Of GOD, In Chapter 20 Of The Book Of Exodus On Earth, In The Great Graces Of THE FOREVER LIVING CREATOR, ALMIGHTY GOD, THE MOST HOLY TRINITY Who Rules & Reigns Heaven & Earth & The Entire Universe Now & ALL THROUGHOUT ETERNITY…….

  323. CW has a new thread up.

  324. @Starla, I am what is known as a cradle Catholic. I was raised within the Catholic Church.

    Yes, I do know Christian history. Yes I have done research on the True Catholics and they are not a real part of the Catholic Church.

    They are sede vacantists. They have declared their own pope and they print a lot of lies.

    I studied them several years ago…

    There is no need for you to be so huffy when people point out that they have come across these people in the past… it should serve as a warning to be wary.

  325. @ Starla, the topic about sede vacant is not relevant to this blog, and in fact the topic of the RealCatholics is not relevant to this blog.

    A Sede Vacantist is one who believes that the Seat of Peter, that is the See of Rome is vacant. They do not recognize any Pope that has been acclaimed since Pope Pius XII… in other words they do not recognize the following legitimately elected Popes:

    Pope John XXIII
    Pope Paul VI
    Pope John Paul I
    Pope John Paul II
    Pope Benedict XVI

    The last time I went to their blog, which was several years ago, they were extremely vicious in their attacks upon the late Pope John Paul II. I did in fact attempt an answer about what they wrote, but in the end I did not finish my project. There were many, many errors in what they stated.

    One of the controversies happens to be that most Catholics attend Mass in their own language – in my case that is in English. It is what is commonly called the Novus Ordo… the New order of the Mass, as distinguished from the Latin. Most of their controversies concern the fact that we no longer use the Latin Mass and all of its trappings. I grew up with the Latin Mass and quite frankly I prefer Mass in my own language.

    This group also nominated their own Pope, which means that this person is what is known as an anti-Pope, which has happened in history on quite a few occasions. One of the earliest of the anti-Popes was Novatian.

    Anyway, that is as far as I am explaining this subject…. anything that comes from them as far as I concerned is totally suspect.

  326. Re: amy // July 28, 2010 at 7:47 am

    Amy, many Catholics & many other people who call themselves Christians do not read the Holy Bible, do not know the Holy Bible, & do not study the Christian faith, and do not know the catechism of the Catholic Church at all, & they do not know Lord Jesus Christ what they are talking about.

    If a person makes a statement of what they consider to be “truth & fact,” it is very reasonable for others to ask that person to please cite their reliable sources & references that can substantiate their opinion(s) that led them to make their “educated?” opinion to be what they opine & call “truth & fact.” Is their opinion an educated & verifiable & well researched opinion, or not?

    Look at the amazing research that Mario Apuzzo, Esq. has done on the Natural Born Citizen issue, and the issue of the clear evidence that points to the 100% Total & Complete ineligibility of Barack Obama to even have been put on a ballot.

    Imagine if Mr. Mario Apuzzo, Esquire, did not cite his reliable & verifiable references & sources, then Americans would not be able to know & to see all of his excellent, reliable, & clearly verifiable, & completely substantiated evidence & work.

    Aussie should be able to show her/his evidence in reliable, & clearly verifiable references & sources for her/his opinions.
    Amy, this is very reasonable to ask Aussie to do this, as it may educate people.

  327. @Amy, thank you. Your comments are very much appreciated. It looks like Starla has been taking lessons….

  328. Should be….. “& they do not know Lord Jesus Christ or what they are talking about.”

  329. What a sham that the courts in our country are protecting the usurper. Withholding evidence is obstruction of justice. They are so corrupt. Bo is a danger to our nation and no one is doing a thing to get him out of office. Instead they protect that creep.

  330. @Starla,

    you have made several very untrue assertions. Please read what you wrote and figure out which of the assertions that you wrote are entirely figments of your imagination.

    Most church going Catholics know more Scripture than you would ever know. Those of us who go to Mass every day hear the Word of God through the Readings and the Gospels every single day. Over the three year Sunday cycle and the 2 year week day cycle that is a lot of Scripture.

    Large numbers of Catholics also attend Scripture classes.

    On top of that at least where I lived, Catholics attending Catholic school did study Scripture at school. My oldest Bible copy was used by my sister and dated as 1962.

    So be very careful about what you assert if you do not know the Catholic Church…. it leave you open to having your own ignorance exposed.

  331. Free Speech

    Aussie // July 28, 2010 at 3:36 am

    indymac // July 27, 2010 at 11:38 pm

    yup, i just scroll by js posts. wish she’d just take a break so we can get back to what’s real. it’s wasting everybody’s time with all this cRAP.
    ===========================
    Ditto… agree 100% especially about the cRAP that is posted here

    ditto

  332. Free Speech

    amy // July 28, 2010 at 3:48 am

    CW.. HELP! HELP!
    Tired Old Conservative // July 28, 2010 at 5:09 am

    amy // July 28, 2010 at 3:47 am

    It is SO easy to avoid my question. Where is the RAP site? Did it fail or something??
    _________________

    There’s no official RAP site when you can discuss RAP issues, but a semi-private Greg Goss’ blog where JS obviosely rules (no links, sorry).

    You can go there and learn about “the only truth” as authorized by wise RAP leaders, but don’t ask any reasonable questions even if the most civic manner – like for instance where is any evidence about the new president Tim Turner – else JS shall demand yours banning (been there, done that).

    JS, you need help, sincerelly.
    Lee // July 28, 2010 at 5:10 am

    Amy,it changes as often as the “Plan” does. You can get some links and objective information onRAP,including exposing JS here : http://resistorperish.boardoo.net/viewforum.php?f=2
    Lee // July 28, 2010 at 5:11 am

    Greg’s blog is here: http://gwgjlg.wordpress.com/ They love to trash CW and former “friends” over there.But then come back and play headgames.
    Lee // July 28, 2010 at 5:13 am

    Mostly they are newagers.Real fruitloops.Smith is the queen of the fruitloops.Always has been.Saw it here years ago.Never engages in honest debate or intelligent discourse.A vain babbler,as the Bible puts it. Here’s their big RAP info dump[yes,that kinda dump] : http://nesaranews.blogspot.com/
    Lee // July 28, 2010 at 5:14 am

    Why was Js ever taken out of Dante’s Inferno ala Moderation Hell?????
    Lee // July 28, 2010 at 5:15 am

    Many have pleaded with her to start her own blog,but she loves to put other blogs in tatters.

  333. Re: Aussie // July 28, 2010 at 8:19 am

    You attack people here frequently. Now you are saying this to me, “There is no need for you to be so huffy when people point out that they have come across these people in the past.”

    And then you say to me, “Most church going Catholics know more Scripture than you would ever know.”

    Again, you say here, “Yes, I do know Christian history. Yes I have done research on the True Catholics and they are not a real part of the Catholic Church.

    They are sede vacantists. They have declared their own pope and they print a lot of lies.”

    Aussie, I ask you to please if you will or can cite your reliable and verifiable sources & references for the above statements of yours.

    Aussie, then you say to me, “[Y]ou have made several very untrue assertions. Please read what you wrote and figure out which of the assertions that you wrote are entirely figments of your imagination,”
    and, you say to me this, “So be very careful about what you assert if you do not know the Catholic Church…. it leave you open to having your own ignorance exposed.”

    Aussie, all I ask you to do is to cite your reliable sources & references and you come back to attack me, & make entirely & incredibly false accusations?

    Aussie, your comments about this group called the sede vacantists are the following, “[T]he topic about sede vacant is not relevant to this blog, and in fact the topic of the RealCatholics is not relevant to this blog.

    A Sede Vacantist is one who believes that the Seat of Peter, that is the See of Rome is vacant. They do not recognize any Pope that has been acclaimed since Pope Pius XII… in other words they do not recognize the following legitimately elected Popes:

    Pope John XXIII
    Pope Paul VI
    Pope John Paul I
    Pope John Paul II
    Pope Benedict XVI

    The last time I went to their blog, which was several years ago, they were extremely vicious in their attacks upon the late Pope John Paul II. I did in fact attempt an answer about what they wrote, but in the end I did not finish my project. There were many, many errors in what they stated.

    One of the controversies happens to be that most Catholics attend Mass in their own language – in my case that is in English. It is what is commonly called the Novus Ordo… the New order of the Mass, as distinguished from the Latin. Most of their controversies concern the fact that we no longer use the Latin Mass and all of its trappings. I grew up with the Latin Mass and quite frankly I prefer Mass in my own language.

    This group also nominated their own Pope, which means that this person is what is known as an anti-Pope, which has happened in history on quite a few occasions. One of the earliest of the anti-Popes was Novatian.

    Anyway, that is as far as I am explaining this subject…. anything that comes from them as far as I concerned is totally suspect.”

    This is an open thread, so any topic is relevant. Aussie, I am asking you to please can you show and cite your information you have in reliable, & clearly verifiable references & sources for your opinions above?

    Aussie, this is very reasonable to ask you to do this, as it may educate people.

    You have no idea what I know and what I do not know, only GOD knows this. I am constantly learning new things every day.
    I do not know about this group Sede Vacantist in the Catholic Church, and I will research this group, etc.

    If you want to comment with your verifiable references & sources for your opinions about this group that will be great. Please don’t attack people here, it makes you look like a brain-dead moron.

  334. Free Speech

    Connections between the RAP and Sovereign Citizen Movement?
    by TOC » Wed Jul 07, 2010 5:30 am

    I’m not ready to discuss rightfulness of Sovereign Citizen’s cause here – too much philosophy for me – but facts:

    – that Web sites of RAP leaders are still interlinked with Jerry Kane’s one – check the upper line at Dave Mack’s site: http://privateaudio.homestead.com/Bank-Fraud.html

    – that Greg denies (by what authority?) any connection between RAP and SC, while his bunch is belittling and seeking after excuses for Kanes act – that is murdering of two police officer during standard police routine and wounding another two.

    http://gwgjlg.wordpress.com/2010/06/30/ … ment-10533

    http://gwgjlg.wordpress.com/2010/06/30/ … ment-10510

    “Where is the audio record? What happened behind the camera? Joe wasn’t aiming at the other officer at all! Poor boy just snapped after seeing his father being harassed (?) by cops” – Gimme a break, please! That sounds way too similar to claims of Holocaust deniers.

    Evidences clearly show that Kanes opened fire against police officers that ended up dead or severely wounded.

    ***

    Questions:

    1) Do you really believe that US Army and “96 foreign nations” would support anyone with even slightest association with such kind of outlaw?

    2) Can Greg and his faithful cohort dig any deeper hole for the RAP?“Without Freedom of Thought, there can be no such thing as Wisdom; and no such thing as Liberty, without Freedom of Speech” –Benjamin Franklin
    TOC

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    Re: Connections between the RAP and Sovereign Citizen Moveme
    by JamesD » Wed Jul 07, 2010 6:23 am

    Good mornin’ to ya, T O C
    In answer to your questions……
    1) No, I don’t believe there is any military backing of any kind for this movement, nor do I think there ever has been. This doesn’t really concern me because if memory serves me, Hitler had military backing when he began his career. As for international support, as far as I’m concerned America is fighting for her very survival and we most assuredly don’t need 96 millstones tied around our neck, however they are welcome to follow our lead if they so choose.

    2) I was a building contractor for a lot of years and about the very first thing I learned is if you seem to be getting a deeper and deeper basement, it’s a good idea to turn the plans around. Greg has obviously allowed some “foremen” to take control that can’t read blueprints.”Force, no matter how concealed begets resistance.”- Lakota SiouxJamesD

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    Re: Connections between the RAP and Sovereign Citizen Moveme
    by TOC » Wed Jul 07, 2010 7:35 am

    JamesD wrote:
    1) No, I don’t believe there is any military backing of any kind for this movement, nor do I think there ever has been. This doesn’t really concern me because if memory serves me, Hitler had military backing when he began his career. As for international support, as far as I’m concerned America is fighting for her very survival and we most assuredly don’t need 96 millstones tied around our neck, however they are welcome to follow our lead if they so choose.
    Great point!

    I generally don’t trust politicians, but I’m trying to be fair and balanced: I’m skeptical both toward political establishment and fringe. I’m aware that both Nazism and Communism have started as a fringe.

    When I find someone
    – making promises that sounds too good to be true, I get alerted;
    – not being ready to verify his claims, I turn skeptical;
    – failing to deliver promised, I turn negative;
    – trying to suppress my freedom of speech… well, that settles it.

    JamesD wrote:
    2) I was a building contractor for a lot of years and about the very first thing I learned is if you seem to be getting a deeper and deeper basement, it’s a good idea to turn the plans around. Greg has obviously allowed some “foremen” to take control that can’t read blueprints.
    Hahahaha! “We don’t need no stinking blueprints!”

    I don’t think they know what the purpose of that hole is.“Without Freedom of Thought, there can be no such thing as Wisdom; and no such thing as Liberty, without Freedom of Speech” –Benjamin Franklin
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    Re: Connections between the RAP and Sovereign Citizen Moveme
    by NCPatriot » Wed Jul 07, 2010 1:10 pm

    Just my opinion, but I think it’s dangerous to group RAP with the sovereign movement, even though it’s basically the same. Only because the media, as expected, is already putting us out as violent people who don’t want to comply with the law, which is totally untrue. I don’t own a weapon and don’t want one, but I feel others have the right according to the second ammendment to do so if they wish. We do want to uphold the law, if the law is lawful/constitutional. After watching the videos and reading the entire police report, I believe that the Kanes were murderers. It doesn’t matter what happened off camera. It seemed that while Jerry was being frisked with his hands on the car, he must have made a move because the other officer reacted quickly in that direction and immediately after that Joseph got out with an assault weapon and continued shooting as they drove away. There’s no way you can convince me, even without audio, that the shooting of 2 officers/husbands/fathers/sons deserved to lose their life that way. Even if they had abused Jerry, his son had no justification for what he did. The problem I have now is that the big name supporters of RAP are continuing to support the so called cover-up by the police, which does not help the movement at all.NCPatriot

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    Re: Connections between the RAP and Sovereign Citizen Moveme
    by TOC » Tue Jul 13, 2010 4:52 am

    :
    TOC wrote:
    – that Web sites of RAP leaders are still interlinked with Jerry Kane’s one – check the upper line at Dave Mack’s site: http://privateaudio.homestead.com/Bank-Fraud.html
    It seems that RAP leaders are not ready to break their ties with Kane even now.

    NCPatriot wrote:
    After watching the videos and reading the entire police report, I believe that the Kanes were murderers…
    As any other sane person does, NCPatriot; here comes the other part of the problem.

    http://gwgjlg.wordpress.com/2010/07/12/rap-reassurance/comment-page-1/#comment-11249

    Portuguese Revolutionary War Hero – Peter Francisco says:
    July 12, 2010 at 3:31 pm

    DONATE NOW to the Criminal Trust Fund set up to prosecute the criminal murderers of the Kane’s, Olie and Little Missy!…
    As long as the most vocal RAP supporters would try to justify Kanes’ act, while ignoring obvious facts (again), this movement is doomed to failure.

  335. JS, your repetitive ramblings and vicious attacks are getting to be real BORING. Get a life, eh? Why CW hasn’t already banned your IP is beyond reasoning!!!!

  336. Free Speech

    Aussie // July 28, 2010 at 3:36 am

    indymac // July 27, 2010 at 11:38 pm

    yup, i just scroll by js posts. wish she’d just take a break so we can get back to what’s real. it’s wasting everybody’s time with all this cRAP.
    ===========================
    Ditto… agree 100% especially about the cRAP that is posted here

    DITTO 4 Starla too.

  337. Free Speech

    NotDuped // July 28, 2010 at 9:24 am

    JS, your repetitive ramblings and vicious attacks are getting to be real BORING. Get a life, eh? Why CW hasn’t already banned your IP is beyond reasoning!!!!
    **************************************

    AGREE 100% with NotDuped!

  338. Re: Free Speech // July 28, 2010 at 9:28 am

    I have told you to look in the mirror and examine your life, Leo. Leo H.Free Speech, why are you judging people here daily? Why don’t you have anything better to doin life, as you ignore your wife & children, GOD, prayers to GOD, work & your daily duty & chores & responsibilities each day?

    Free Speech, you try to daily take the splinters out of people’s eyes, while you have beams in your own eyes…….

    Who made you & Aussie & others the Daily UNPAID CW blog police to moderate this blog? No one.

    I have noted that GOD did bless you & did give to you a sharp & an intelligent mind. Please use the mind GOD gave you for GOD in only virtuous & loving ways on earth, so you can receive a reward in Eternity from GOD Of HEAVEN FOREVER LIFE and not a punishment for hypocrites who truly go to Hell Forever Fire in eternity, sorry to have to tell you the truth & the facts here.

    GOD ALMIGHTY WILL NOT be mocked, or ignored, or disobeyed by any humans in eternity……

  339. 68Truthseeker

    Maj. Gen.Jerry R Curry (Ret.) Speaks Out On The Obama Eligibility Issue

  340. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Re: amy // July 28, 2010 at 7:47 am

    … many other people who call themselves Christians do not read the Holy Bible …

    ===========================

    Ha! Made me think of Zero!!

  341. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    sorry – paste screwed up – meant to post more:

    … many other people who call themselves Christians do not read the Holy Bible, do not know the Holy Bible, & do not study the Christian faith …

  342. Starla it would be really nice if you took a break from this blog for a little while so that you can restore your balance in life….

    Thanks in advance for understanding….

    It really makes me wonder if you are JS using another name.

  343. Free Speech

    Aussie // July 28, 2010 at 4:51 pm

    Starla it would be really nice if you took a break from this blog for a little while so that you can restore your balance in life….

    Thanks in advance for understanding….

    It really makes me wonder if you are JS using another name.
    ******************************************

    Whether Starla & JS are the same person or not, they clearly are both part of bo’s internet brownshirts who come here only to make personal attacks and disrupt and distract from intelligent discussion.

    Hopefully, JS is banned for good after her horrendous conduct on CW yesterday.

    Some of the obots are paid by the bo regime. Others are confidential informants who do bo’s bidding as part of a plea bargain to keep from being prosecuted by bo’s dept of injustice.

    Some obots simply post useless seemingly “scholarly” information. Others launch into personal attacks against the Patriots that pose the greatest threat to the bo regime.

    Regardless of their tactics the sole purpose of the obots is to disrupt the discussion of any information damaging to the bo regime.

    Those true Patriots who pose a real threat to bo & his co-conspirators get attacked (thrown in jail on false charges like Larry etc.). Those false flag “patriots” who are no threat are promoted by the bo regime and sent to conservative forums like CW to post BS false flag propaganda.

    http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/01/26/outing-obamas-internet-brownshirts/

    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/05/exposing-obamas-psyops-agents-and.html

  344. Free Speech

    *
    Outing Obama’s Internet Brownshirts
    ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, LET’S SHINE A LIGHT ON OBAMA POLITICAL OPERATIVES!
    by John Charlton

    Hitler’s Brown Shirts was a group of violent political operatives, under the leadership of Sodomites and Sadomasochists, who made it a point to terrorize his political opponents.
    (Jan. 26, 2010) — Recent reports have brought national attention to the fact that Obama has implemented Cass Sunstein’s strategy of cognitive dissonance in the creation of Internet teams which harass citizens with invective on Internet blogs, forums, chat rooms, and websites. Several sites have been attacked by this corps of Brown Shirts, others hacked, others harassed.

  345. Free Speech

    Aussie // July 28, 2010 at 6:19 pm

    @FS these brownshirt trolls are everywhere. They were trained by the George Soros team at MoveOn.org…

    Some of them are members of a focus group where they are given talking points which they take to various blogs and leave their troll droppings.

    Usually what they post has nothing to do with the subject in hand, being totally irrelevant to the topic. Quite often the attack subject has been Sarah Palin.

    The Hillbuzz guys have been very helpful in teaching their readers how to identify the trolls and their troll droppings.

    We also see them here in Australia, where they frequent the conservative blogs of Andrew Bolt and Tim Blair. Usually they are easy to spot because they constantly shill for the ALP and now they shill for the Marxist Julia Gillard who backstabbed Kevin Rudd to become the Prime Minister.

    I am starting to see the troll pattern on this blog… they normally come across from Greg’s blog… and they will leave their droppings… supporting JS, defending the cop-killers, and spreading their garbage about c(rap)
    ************************************

    Yes, and Starla is a weird variation, isn’t she?

    Ranting incessantly about her LUNATIC VISIONS of her CRAZY god who is sounding more and more like bo & achmedinejad’s god every day.

    Thank you for calling Starla out. I think everyone was a bit leery of confronting her because she always cloaks herself with the visions of her CRAZY god.

    JS & Starla ruin every thread they post on.
    Free Speech // July 28, 2010 at 6:47 pm

    Aussie,

    Thanks also for making the Soros connection to bo’s internet brownshirts. It just occurred me, Soros is probably behind cRAP/AGJ as well.

    **************************************

    After going to Hillbuzz and seeing that some of the obot brownshirts operate out of China, I made another connection to Bob C, the INFAMOUS cRAP PERVERT from China.

  346. Aussie & Free Speech,

    Grow up!! You both act like pathetic, obnoxious, rude, & spoiled rotten lying hypocrites!

    Everyone who has the Holy Spirit of GOD in their spirit that is the spirit of truth & wisdom in life can see right through your chronic b.s.

    BTW, I work full-time & I attend college full- time, Aussie….. Question for Leo H/Free Speech & Aussie: What do you two do in life?

    Answer: Leo H/Free Speech & Aussie HIRE YOURSELVES to be the CW UNPAID Blog Police moderators, & attack different people all over this blog & other blogs for a living. That is a great majority of your contribution to society & it is disgusting to see how you Leo H/Free Speech & Aussie ended up in life…..wasting your lives……being mean spirited bullies when you could be loving and kind and sharing good and virtuous works with people…..

    However, this is too difficult & too beyond your minds & spirits to figure out though………

    live with their evil hearts & hypocritcal minds.

  347. Free Speech & Aussie,

    You both have to live with your mean spirited bullying evil & hypocritical hearts & minds & spirits….and the rest of us do not.

    GOD allows us the sweet blessings from GOD to have free will……and in the blessings from GOD we receive graces from GOD daily, the rest of us on CW choose in our free wills to be kind, loving, and polite and do virtuous loving works whevever we go, & not act like you two mean spirited bullies & lying pathetic hypocrites.

  348. “Blagojevich trial conspiracy, Protect Obama, US Justice
    Department corruption, Part 6, Trial shortened, Evidence omitted | Citizen WElls” was in fact truly compelling and insightful!
    In todays society honestly, that is hard to deliver. I
    am grateful, Lucia

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