Lakin court martial, Commander in Chief, Chain of command, Citizen Wells open thread, September 5, 2010

Lakin court martial, Commander in Chief, Chain of command

“I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and
defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies,
foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to
the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental
reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully
discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter.
So help me God.”…US Military officer’s oath of office
Officers in the service of the United States are
bound by this oath to disobey any order that
violates the Constitution of the United States.

From Citizen Wells August 5, 2010.

As you read the following, be aware of another important point, there is no time restriction on the president being found to be ineligible.

“Notice the emphasis placed on eligibility in the presidential line of succession.
 US Code
TITLE 3 > CHAPTER 1 > § 19
§ 19. Vacancy in offices of both President and Vice President; officers eligible to act
(a)
(1) If, by reason of death, resignation, removal from office, inability, or failure to qualify, there is neither a President nor Vice President to discharge the powers and duties of the office of President, then the Speaker of the House of Representatives shall, upon his resignation as Speaker and as Representative in Congress, act as President.
(2) The same rule shall apply in the case of the death, resignation, removal from office, or inability of an individual acting as President under this subsection.
(b) If, at the time when under subsection (a) of this section a Speaker is to begin the discharge of the powers and duties of the office of President, there is no Speaker, or the Speaker fails to qualify as Acting President, then the President pro tempore of the Senate shall, upon his resignation as President pro tempore and as Senator, act as President.
(c) An individual acting as President under subsection (a) or subsection (b) of this section shall continue to act until the expiration of the then current Presidential term, except that—
(1) if his discharge of the powers and duties of the office is founded in whole or in part on the failure of both the President-elect and the Vice-President-elect to qualify, then he shall act only until a President or Vice President qualifies; and
(2) if his discharge of the powers and duties of the office is founded in whole or in part on the inability of the President or Vice President, then he shall act only until the removal of the disability of one of such individuals.
(d)
(1) If, by reason of death, resignation, removal from office, inability, or failure to qualify, there is no President pro tempore to act as President under subsection (b) of this section, then the officer of the United States who is highest on the following list, and who is not under disability to discharge the powers and duties of the office of President shall act as President: Secretary of State, Secretary of the Treasury, Secretary of Defense, Attorney General, Secretary of the Interior, Secretary of Agriculture, Secretary of Commerce, Secretary of Labor, Secretary of Health and Human Services, Secretary of Housing and Urban Development, Secretary of Transportation, Secretary of Energy, Secretary of Education, Secretary of Veterans Affairs, Secretary of Homeland Security.
(2) An individual acting as President under this subsection shall continue so to do until the expiration of the then current Presidential term, but not after a qualified and prior-entitled individual is able to act, except that the removal of the disability of an individual higher on the list contained in paragraph (1) of this subsection or the ability to qualify on the part of an individual higher on such list shall not terminate his service.
(3) The taking of the oath of office by an individual specified in the list in paragraph (1) of this subsection shall be held to constitute his resignation from the office by virtue of the holding of which he qualifies to act as President.
(e) Subsections (a), (b), and (d) of this section shall apply only to such officers as are eligible to the office of President under the Constitution. Subsection (d) of this section shall apply only to officers appointed, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, prior to the time of the death, resignation, removal from office, inability, or failure to qualify, of the President pro tempore, and only to officers not under impeachment by the House of Representatives at the time the powers and duties of the office of President devolve upon them.
(f) During the period that any individual acts as President under this section, his compensation shall be at the rate then provided by law in the case of the President.”

Much has been said orders being tied to the Commander in Chief and the chain of command. Here is what a US Army soldier must understand about the chain of command.

From the US Army Study Guide.

Chain of Command List

Posted Monday, July 23, 2007

Commander-in-Chief  -President George W. Bush
Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff  -General Peter Pace
Army Chief of Staff
 -General George W. Casey, Jr. 
Theater Commander  -
Corps Commander  -
Division Commander  -
Brigade Commander  -
Battalion Commander  -
Company/Troop Commander  -
Platoon Leader  -
Section/Squad/Team Leader

Read more:

http://www.armystudyguide.com/content/army_board_study_guide_topics/chain_of_command/chain-of-command-list.shtml

From Army Command Policy April 27, 2010
“1–5. Command
a. Privilege to command. Command is exercised by virtue of office and the special assignment of members of the
United States Armed Forces holding military grade who are eligible to exercise command. A commander is, therefore,
a commissioned or warrant officer who, by virtue of grade and assignment, exercises primary command authority over
a military organization or prescribed territorial area that under pertinent official directives is recognized as a “command.”
The privilege to command is not limited solely by branch of Service except as indicated in chapter 2. A
civilian, other than the President as Commander-in-Chief (or National Command Authority), may not exercise command.”

Read more:

http://www.army.mil/usapa/epubs/pdf/r600_20.pdf

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95 responses to “Lakin court martial, Commander in Chief, Chain of command, Citizen Wells open thread, September 5, 2010

  1. http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/09/100901-nsf-oil-hurricanes-mitra-video/

    Siddhartha Mitra, Geochemist, East Carolina University

    “People who are living in upland areas, thinking I don’t need to be concerned much about the health effects of the oil spill, because I don’t live near the coast, If you have rain that has some of these hydrocarbons in it, many of which are toxic and carcinogenic, and hurricanes drop this rain in areas far north, upland areas of the Gulf states, sometimes hurricanes from the Gulf coast make it as far north as New England .. that rain could very well have these hydrocarbons in it, and essentially, dropping hydrocarbons along the way.”

  2. The, “motus operendition” of the current gov’ts way of thinking, should by the Grace of God, Lt.Col. Lakin pervail. It looks as if we’d be stuck with Jumpin’ Joe, by birthright. Interesting article on an appeal for Lt.Col. Lakin, might just jumpstart the proceedings, hopefully. http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/09/04/judge%E2%80%99s-embarrassing-ruling-leaves-ample-room-for-appeal

  3. So sad…the fact his Father’s were not American Citizens is all the defense he needs. NBC ar those born in a country to citizen parents, the requirement was never legally amended. The kenyan government states he was born on their soil, to top it off. 2004 kenyan born wins illinois state senate. As well..John Bingham confirms that understanding and the contruction the framers used in regards to birthright and jurisdiction while speaking on civil rights of citizens in the house on Maarch 9, 1866 find no fault with the introductory clause [S 61 Bill] which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every hunam being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.
    We also have a Logan Act…forbidding involvement with other nations government…well we know he alrerady participated in that, in 07, and again using U.S. tax money to bribe the citizens to add abortion to their Constitution. I find it hard to believe One chump can scare the entire government of the diverse states…they are no longer the United States. explain how the Gov. can sue a state for wanting to protect their citizens from foreign invaders,?? GET OFF THE KOOL AID!!! A Class Action against the Media is needed immediately. Stay safe, we are in for a bumpy ride.

  4. http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2010/09/geller-truth-is-the-new-hate-speech-muslim-brotherhood-islamic-suprmemacists-seek-to-criminalize-fre.html

    Free speech is the line in the sand. As long as we have free speech, protect it. This is a life and death issue. “Once a country accepts censorship of the press and of speech nothing can be won without violence” — Ayn Rand.

  5. Surprise, surprise, surprise…SHAZAM!

  6. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Free Speech | September 5, 2010 at 10:14 am |

    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/09/100901-nsf-oil-hurricanes-mitra-video/

    Siddhartha Mitra, Geochemist, East Carolina University

    =============================================

    This is EXACTLY what I have been saying since the beginning. (So, I guess this guy must be an insane raving bobot also?) The well itself has been secondary for many weeks. The primary story is the oil already spilled and the associated natural and man-supplied chemicals.

    The stuff people like Matt Simmons have railed about has just been undiluted poppycock. The real story is the environmental aspect and the governments inadequate response. And associated things like preventing the media from coming to take a look.

    We need to focus on not letting Commander Zero and his Flying Minkeys weasel out of this. We don’t know yet that they caused any of this – but they certainly milked the heck out of it to promote bad policies and regulations. Policies and regulations that further diminish America and contribute to economic ruin.

  7. Sammy Kershaw – Encouraging you to attend September 12th Rally
    ST. LOUIS TEA PARTY

    UNDER THE GATEWAY ARCH
    SUNDAY SEPTEMBER 12TH
    12 NOON – 4 PM

  8. Lab Test Results for corexit in Gulf water and Hurricane Charts.

  9. Wanted: One Honest and Fearless Judge
    Once again, we have to rely on the work product of an author from another country’s blog to get some sane and logical sense into this egregious travesty facing Lt. Col. Lakin.

    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2010/09/wanted-one-honest-and-fearless-judge.html

  10. Sam Sewell | September 5, 2010 at 11:38 am |

    Col Lakin is being punished for doing his Duty and upholding his Constitutional Oath.

  11. Thought y’all would be interested to know a new ad is running in NOLA paid for by a big Hillary supporter. Not sure what to make of this –

    http://www.t-room.us/2010/09/things-that-make-you-go-hhhhmmmmm-hillary-potus-ads-are-up-and-running-in-nola/#more-1811

  12. OBAMA SETS NEW RECORD:

    highest level of Strong Disapproval and the lowest Approval Index daily rating yet recorded for this president

    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2010/09/highest-level-of-strong-disapproval-and.html

  13. BREAKING! SHOCKER! MILITARY JUDGE says evidence could be an “EMBARRASSMENT” to BHO!

  14. Maj.Gen. Jerry Curry : Obama’s Eligibility Issue Moving Toward Critical Mass

  15. lt. Col. Lakins for the United States President Office!!!!!!!!

  16. More Obama Arrogance – Birth Certificate Plastered On Forehead Comment

  17. Unless Hillary denounces bo and gets bo removed by using her position as SOS to get all of bo’s records released, I doubt that she has a chance of becoming POTUS.

  18. Our renewed oath in the Justice System: Do you swear to lie, and nothing but a lie so help you Allah?

  19. IT IS NO LONGER AN ISSUE OF BARRY’S ELIGIBILITY

    I have been following Sotoero’s eligibility case since August 21, 2008 when Attorney Phil Berg filed his first brief in the Supreme Court. When I first learned of the case I was elated as I –in my naïveté—thought this would be blasted all over the msm and Barry would lose the election. Every day I surfed the news media looking for –what I considered then—the most important news in the history of America. It was about that time I discovered Fox news which seemed to be more like news station the rest of msm which the news programs had become nothing more than air head entertainment channels feeding the public useless calories. The silence of msm and Fox frustrated me so much I began my own mini news program on blog talk radio. Due to family problems I had to give it up. I was among the very first to start and I am glad to say many blog talk radio programs came forward and are doing a great job in getting the real facts.

    Since then, I learned of Leo Donofrio, Dr. Orly Taitz, Mario Appuzo, Attorney Stephen Pidgeon, Dr. Kate, WND, Lt. Fitzpatrick (Thejaghunter), Citizenwells, and of course my number one hero Lt. Col. Dr. Lakin along with many others. I have read and reread all the valid legal arguments they put forth regarding Barry’s usurpation. Since then volumes of verifiable evidence about Steve Dunham has come forward to underscore what most of us who visit Citizenwells site have come to believe as fact—Barack Insane Obama, aka Barry Sotoero, aka Steve Dunham aka Soebarkah is in fact NOT ELIGIBILE UNDER SCETION II OF OUR CONTSTITUION TO BE OUR LEGAL PRESIDENT. HE IS IN FACT A TREASONOUS IMPOSTER AND THE MOST DANGEROUS CRIMINAL ON THE PLANER.

    It is no longer an issue IF Sotoero is a usurper. Every one knows HE IS A USURPER!

    At this stage all the evidence and arguments have been accurately made. As a matter of fact it is well known and accepted with the FBI, CIA, the Secret Service, and inside the beltway Washington politicians that Sotoero is a usurper. This fact no longer needs to be proven. In spite of all the overwhelming evidence against this disgusting person, EVERY CASE BROUGHT TO THE COURTS OR OTHER JUDICAL SYSTEM HAS BEEN DISMISED UPON LACK OF STANDING OR JUST OUTRIGHT FLAUNTED A DISREGARD FOR OUR CONSITUTION AND THE LAWS OF OUR LAND.

    .

    THE ISSUE IS THIS:

    IT APPEARS, THAT OUR JUDICIAL SYSTEM—FOR WHATEVER REASON—HAS DECIDED THE PRESIDENT IS ABOVE THE LAW, MORE IMPORTANT THAN AMERICA, HONORING THE LAWS OF OURCOUNTRY, PROTECTING THE INTEGRITY OF OUR CONSTITUION, OR PROTECTING THE AMERICAN CITIZENS TO WHOM AMERICA BELONGS. IT APPEARS EACH AND EVERYONE OF THE JUSDGES WHO HAVE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER AVOIDED DEALING WITH BARRY’S ELIGIBLITY PLACED THEIR OWN CAREERS ABOVE THEIR SWORN OATH TO THE CONSTITUTION AND WILLINGLY BECAME COMPLICIT IN THE CRIMES OF USURPATION ANDTREASON AGAINST AMERICA. THEY CHOSE TO PROTECT A CRIMINAL WHO COMMITTED THE MOST HEINOUS CRIME AGAINST AMERICA IN HER ENTIRE HISTORY. THEY JOINED THE RANKS OF THE SENATORS, CONGRESS PEOPLE, CIA, FBI, AND OUR CURRENT COWARDLY CANDIDATES WHO ARE TRYING TO TAKE THE PLACE OF YELLOW BELLIED INCUMBENTS. “WE THE PEOPLE” HAVE BEEN SOLD UP THE CREEK WITHOUT A PADDLE.

    THE CHALLENGE IS THIS:

    WHAT ARE WE AND WHAT CAN WE DO ABOUT THIS. IT SEEMS TO ME OUR FOCUS HAS TO BE DIRECTED AT THE JUDGES AND JUSIDICAL SYSTEM THAT IS USING OUR SYSTEM AGAINST “WE THE PEOPLE.” IT SEEMS TO ME WE NEED TO BEGIN A CAMPAIGN OF EXPOSING EVERY DETAIL ABOUT JUDGES LIND, BOLTON, LAMBERTH, CARTER, AND THE REST OF THE INSIPID BUNCH. LET US NOT FORGET JUDGES SOTOMAYER AND ELENA KAGEN WHO SHOULD BE REMOVED LAST WEEK.

    THEY KNEW THEY WERE GUILTY THE FIRST TIME THEY REFUSED TO HEAR THE CASE BASED UPON SOTOERO’S ELIGIBILITY.

    “He, who is without sin, cast the first stone.”

    “JUDGE NOT LEST YE BE JUDGED.”

    THEY KNEW THEY GUILTY THE FIRST TIME THEY SENTECTED AN INNOCENT MAN. (LINE FROM THE MOVIE JUDGEMENT AT NUREMBERG)

  20. Mr. Sewell, in your complete post you laid out why I decry the theory of CITIZEN GRAND JURIES being the only way. As you can see Judge Lind threw her hole career away(whether by agreement or by force) rather than rule in favor of the Constitution or allow a Courageous Officer to stand up for the Constitution. I believe in the CGJ and our Constitution, however that does not make it a feasible solution to stop the RAPEING of our Country and our Constitution. There has to be an honest Judge who will except presentments for trial and it appears there are no Judges that will uphold our CONSTITUTIN anywhere in America. You have labeled me as being mean because I disagree with the REPETIVE listing or Hawking of CGJ’s on this site by Free Speech. We as Citizens of this great Country need to turn our attention to finding measures that will work, and stop the bashing and name calling when people try to put forth ideas. I find you to be a smart man, so help us to come up with workable ideas. Until we retake America, we are like a ship drifting from its mooring(going nowhere and getting nothing accomplished). When this Country is restored back to its GRACEFUL POSITION in the world Every sitting Judge needs to be impeached and replaced by those that will uphold the original Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Amendments to the Constitution need to be revamped and voted on by WE THE PEOPLE!!! Congress has destroyed our Constitution as well.

  21. MARGIE, your post at 10:25 deserves an A+++, we need more input like that from you. A high five to you!!

  22. Rev. Manning is right. It is an OUTRAGE than no candidates for congress, no members of the msm and so few Military Men, Lawyers and Judges are speaking out about lind’s violation of Col Lakin’s Constitutional Rights. If this travesty can happen to a most Honorable Soldier like Col Lakin, it can happen to anyone.

  23. I don’t mean to embarrass Judge Lind , but I think she should at least find out why her fearless leader has no finger print record in the US .

    US doesn’t require finger prints for passports , most other countries do require finger prints on passports.

    Would it then be possible to go from birth to President of the United States of America , Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces with no finger print record ?, now that would be embarrassing .

  24. Why is Larry being put into moderation all of a sudden? He has fought such a difficult fight and the ones who support him are not in a position to take his part in his actions against an oppressive administration. For someone who talks about being shut out and being ignored, it seems the same thing is being done to Larry here.

    1. Larry Sinclair | September 5, 2010 at
    1:29 pm
    |
    Your comment is awaiting moderation.
    It has been brought to my attention this afternoon that a poster here @ CW,
    “Cyber?” posted statements saying I was transferring the Copyright of my
    book to my investors so that Parisi could go after them.
    I would appreciate it very much if people would not post comments on
    subjects they know absolutely nothing about as they pertain to me. For the
    person who made those statements let me tell you something: Parisi cannot go
    after anyone I transfer the copyright to until and/or unless they publish
    the book before Parisi’s claims are thrown out. Second, I am transferring
    the copyright ownership to my investor to do with as they please.
    I have stayed away from this and other blogs because of the continued
    postings of statements about people and things you know nothing about. I do
    not want to receive any more emails from anyone about how Larry Wells runs
    his blog nor do I want to see anymore comments on this blog about what my
    intentions are when you do not know me nor my intentions.
    Mr. Wells, I thought you were supposed to be one of the upfront, honest and
    real individuals. I guess I was wrong. I do not deserve to be treated the
    way you have treated me recently. I am sorry your feelings got hurt when I
    informed you I did not appreciate Leo Haffey’s comment stating the “only
    reason Larry Sinclair is alive today is because of citizen wells.” To this
    date you still have not simply said you were sorry to me or the many
    individuals whose email addresses you downloaded off of my word press blog
    when I was in jail in DC in 2008 and put those files out on the web for the
    taking. At least I was man enough to tell you what I thought and to always
    be upfront with you.
    You will not need to block my comments, this will be the last comment I post
    here. When people start standing on the truth and get over themselves and
    their ego’s maybe then will they see something other than their own BS.

    Respectfully,

    Lawrence W. Sinclair d/b/a
    Sinclair Publishing
    Post Office Box 1963
    Washington, DC 20013
    http://www.sinclairpublishingllc.com

  25. “”Joy | September 5, 2010 at 1:01 pm |
    Mr. Sewell, in your complete post you laid out why I decry the theory of CITIZEN GRAND JURIES being the only way. ”

    I don’t do “only way” kind of thinking. I am an “all of the above” kind of guy when it comes to getting rid of Obama.

    Please read this:
    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2010/06/why-citizen-grand-juries-havent-worked.html

    You might also note the many other meathods I suggest in this document:
    Look at the latest version of my collected research. It is over 6000 words so grab a snack and a drink.

    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/04/aka-obama-fans-all-together-now-say-omg.html

  26. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    usapatriots-shout.blogspot.com | September 5, 2010 at 12:44 pm |

    ===========================================

    I agree with 99% of what you said. But I think all of you underestimate the tremendous damage that would be done domestically and internationally if Zero were outed as a usurper. In addition to riots and chaos and total upset of world balance of power, the domestic economy would tank and the world economy would further implode.

    YOU’RE OWN PERSONAL FINANCIAL SITUATION WOULD DRASTICALLY DUMP!

    You all need to remember that ALL the world’s major currencies are based on trust. Not a one of them is based on valuables. The USD is the Most Trusted and the foundation (the framework, the struts, the glue that holds it all together) worldwide.

    Whether or not any of you agree with this is totally beside the point and irrelevant. The only thing that matters is what the PTBs think. And this is what they “know”.

    We will never get the pleasure of seeing Zero get what he deserves. He will never be officially outed. At some point if we get too close, or if the situation otherwise threatens to unravel, Zero will either escape or will be persuaded to step down for some harmless reason. He will then be fully pardoned retroactively and proactively by the next president – regardless of D or R.

    The only part of my argument that is even a wee bit weak is in regards to actual crimes – things like bribery, murder, etc. Somebody may eventually be able to pin one of these on him. But there is no way the eligibility aspect, and especially that he is a usurper and an illegitimate CinC or Leader, will ever be officially recognized.

    I did not use to believe this. I thought we could prevail. But I also knew we had to do it early. Now every day that goes by and every “victory” for their team makes the con build upon the con. The “structure” gets bigger and bigger and implicates more and more people. Which leads directly to my last and perhaps most critical point. Zero could never be convicted of being a usurper without directly implicating and convicting a vast chunk of the power elite. The country could not stand that much “change” all at once.

    We need to continue to push and do everything we are doing – we must get him out of office sooner rather than later – but we must reset our expectations. Making him quietly disappear is going to have to be enough.

    But just getting rid of him is not enough. We must continue to vote down progressives whoever and wherever they are. And that includes RINOs. We have to – election by election, region by region – gradually take back our country. We cannot do it all at once.

    Of course if the elections remain rigged and thugs are allowed to manage the voting – then we are already screwed and there is no procedural to fix our problem.

  27. Joy, Thank you. Truth is all we seek.

  28. ARMY D.A.V. | September 5, 2010 at 1:23 pm |
    I don’t mean to embarrass Judge Lind
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Too late!
    Judge Lind embarrasses herself . . . . and the entire military.

    Don’t see anywhere that she took an oath to defend obama from embarrassment.

  29. Rev. Manning you are a work of art…and you are absolutely correct in all you say on your U Tube presentation.

    It is an outrage, no it’s more than an outrage. It’s treasonous that NO ONE in a position of power will stand for our Constitution or LTC Terry Larking.

    NO politician dares speak of it, NO judge dares rule on it, NO media commentator dares talk of it, NO newspaper reporter dares write of it , NO ACTIVE military commanders dares think of it, NO veterans organizations is brave enough to question it, NO churches (except yours) has the guts to preach of it;

    But IT is there. the damn pink elephant is in the room for ALL to see.

    Rev Manning has a great point that should be driven home to every American who loves our way of life and the liberties we enjoy.

    And here is his point: IF THEY CAN DO IT TO LTC LARKIN TODAY AND GET AWAY WITH IT, THEN THEY CAN DO IT TOO YOU AND YOUR CHILDREN TOMORROW. There will be no place to hide. There will be no legal defense heard.

    As I have said in my previous post on this subject, this isn’t only about LTC Laerkin, it’s about you, and your children and grandchildren. It’s about the life or death of this great nation. LTC Larkin is only the FINAL test this corrupt bunch of gangsters need to pass before we have surrendered all our freedoms and rights.

    If they take down this brave soldier, who was only doing his duty as his oath demanded of him, how much of a problem do you think they will have with you and me? The math on this one is simple: ZERO, NADA, NONE.

    Everyone who reads this post should take Rev Manning’s UTUBE post here on CW blog and send it to their Congressman or woman. Don’t ask, DEMAND of them that they watch it. DEMAND of them they stand and forcefully protect our Constitution. DEMAND of them they come to the defense of LTC Larkin. DEMAND of them they remove the root cause of our crisis, which is Obama. DEMAND of them that our rule of law be restored, and DEMAND of them that Obama and his lawless gang be held accountable for their high crimes against this nation.

    If the citizen’s of this country don’t start DEMANDING accountability of their elected leaders, then we (as the little people) will deserve all that happens too us in the near future.

    It is now up to the citizens to take control of this situation. The politicians, judges, military leaders, courts, media, and all other so called leaders have demonstrated they have neither the willpower or intestinal fortitude (guts) to correct this problem.

    Major General Curry (ret) has it correct when he said our Nation, as a Nation, is swiftly coming to a CRITICAL MASS because of the Usurper in the White House.

    We would be wise to listen to him, and also Lt. General Tom Interney(ret) who has echoed the same sentiments.

    Contact your Congressman or woman and DEMAND they honestly investigate Obama’s birth, and his right, according to our Constitution, to occupy the highest office in our government. Make something happen.

    Tell them if they can’t comply with your simple request, you intend to vote for someone who can and will follow the Constitution !!!

  30. “I agree with 99% of what you said. But I think all of you underestimate the tremendous damage that would be done domestically and internationally if Zero were outed as a usurper. In addition to riots and chaos and total upset of world balance of power, the domestic economy would tank and the world economy would further implode.”

    The reasons you listed plus other ramifications are the explanation why noting is being done. The so called “authorities” already know Obama is a usurper. The are afraid to act because of anticipated consequences.

  31. CW, it is amazing how many times it is stated “must qualify”, “must be eligible, when describing who may be president, according to the line of succession.

    The oath of Lakin, and the emphasis on the law, on eligibility, when choosing a replacement for president, makes Obama’s claimed “right” to the presidency look very weak. The presidency shall devolve only on to a natural born citizen, who must qualify, and prove eligibility, even if it is from one administration to another.

    Time to vet Obama, time for quo warranto, to prove eligibility, and time to find Lakin is right, and thank him for his service.

  32. The sheep do not care. Rev. Manning is an Honorable Man. May God keep him safe, as well all of us fighting for Truth and Justice. Lets hope soon little BO (barry obama) looses his sheep.

  33. Army DAV —

    Lucas’s birth certificate has the name of a physician who ran a tuberculosis hospital near Mombasa in 1961 (less than 5 miles away). He was a general practitioner who accompanied the Kenyan Olympic Team to Moscow in the year the U.S. boycotted the Olympic Games. His daughter is a highly regarded member of the Kenyan Judiciary, and a very prominent member of the Seventh Day Adventist Church, like her father before her.

    The problem with his document is the name of the Obstetrician. No one with that name appears in any British records of their medical societies. Since in that part of the world, even under the British Protectorate, Obstetricians are a very rare breed, this is the major fact that undermines the ‘authenticity’ of the Lucas document.

    Needless to say, everything else about the Lucas’ document has checked out, including the name of the hospital and the map and other geographic references.

  34. Army D.A.V., thanks for the update on the activities of Lucas Smith. I believe Smith has the real deal, that he possesses an actual certified copy of Obama’s Kenyan birth certificate. I believe this because so far no one has allowed Smith to go into a court, get a neutral document expert, and ascertain whether or not the document is authentic. Smith has been stonewalled at every turn, which seems to indicate that people know he possesses something explosive. They just don’t want to even get to the point of allowing an independent analysis of the document. Also, this coincides with the State Department’s stonewalling on Stanley Ann Dunham’s passport records and the incredible claims that no records of hers are available before 1965 because they were destroyed. How convenient. Not only too convenient, but an outright lie.

    Smith has Obama’s Kenyan birth certificate. Let’s see what the reaction will be from members of Congress to Smith’s mailing.

  35. Sam Sewell | September 5, 2010 at 3:07 pm |

    “I agree with 99% of what you said. But I think all of you underestimate the tremendous damage that would be done domestically and internationally if Zero were outed as a usurper. In addition to riots and chaos and total upset of world balance of power, the domestic economy would tank and the world economy would further implode.”

    The reasons you listed plus other ramifications are the explanation why noting is being done. The so called “authorities” already know Obama is a usurper. The are afraid to act because of anticipated consequences
    ***************************************************************
    This is not Kenya. There will not be too many people upset to see this Arab, Muslim, foreigner jailed, after they find out the TRUTH about this criminal, and what his actual citizenship is. Nobody likes being lied to, and who wants to defend a liar?

  36. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    MORE OUTRAGE
    FROM ACADEMIA!

    This is the kind of stuff that really REALLY
    gets me riled up. Yes, this is even worse
    than “Obama is a usurper”. This has
    been going on since before Obama and
    will continue after Obama. This is the
    fatal sickness to which our country has
    decended. They teach this to our
    CHILDREN – IN OUR SCHOOLS!
    These people are worse than pedo-
    philes for what they are doing to our
    youth.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/09/what_kind_of_academic_signs_th.html

    These people are beyond MORON.
    They want us to believe they are the
    intellectual elite?

    I’m glad I have no children. How
    would you like to think of sending
    your children to these schools?
    And it’s not an isolated incident
    here and there.

    It’s EVERYWHERE!

  37. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    bob strauss | September 5, 2010 at 3:31 pm |

    ====================================

    “They” will never find out “THE TRUTH”. Even if documents surface, between the press and the government, there will always be a fog around them. If nothing else there will be a sufficient number of forgeries to balance against the truth. This “fact” will ALWAYS be shrouded in fog and mystery. Everybody will eventually know about it, but they won’t know what they know about. They will just know it as a rumor and something odd. Various people will have varying opinions about the veracity of the rumor. But there will be no official explanation or proclamation.

    Like I said, I didn’t use to think this. I had hope and expectations for a full and correct resolution. But the handwriting is on the wall. I am no longer speculating or guessing. I am speaking reality. Accept it.

    Also – more reality – Zero will either fade away, fully pardoned, or he will escape to a foreign country. I don’t know which, but one or the other is certain. Right now I’m leaning maybe 70% toward escaping.

  38. ARMY D.A.V. | September 5, 2010 at 2:31 pm |
    Lucas is back.
    http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/09/05/exclusive-lucas-daniel-smith-speaks-with-the-post-email/
    =============================================
    This story must be a real hot potato! I attempted to post your P & E Lucas Smith interview link on Free Republic but it was pulled.

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2583692/posts

    I guess Free Republic isn’t.

  39. bob strauss | September 5, 2010 at 3:31 pm |
    Sam Sewell | September 5, 2010 at 3:07 pm |

    “I agree with 99% of what you said. But I think all of you underestimate the tremendous damage that would be done domestically and internationally if Zero were outed as a usurper. In addition to riots and chaos and total upset of world balance of power, the domestic economy would tank and the world economy would further implode.”

    The reasons you listed plus other ramifications are the explanation why noting is being done. The so called “authorities” already know Obama is a usurper. The are afraid to act because of anticipated consequences
    ***************************************************************
    This is not Kenya. There will not be too many people upset to see this Arab, Muslim, foreigner jailed, after they find out the TRUTH about this criminal, and what his actual citizenship is. Nobody likes being lied to, and who wants to defend a liar?
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Bob,

    I agree bo has already been outed. The majority of Americans question his citizenship and allegiances already and there have been no “riots” etc.

    The politicians and judges continue to coverup for bo not out of fear of “riots and chaos and total upset of world balance of power, ” but rather out of fear of such personal consequences as criminal convictions and personal disgrace.

  40. Sam Sewell | September 5, 2010 at 2:13 pm |
    “”Joy | September 5, 2010 at 1:01 pm |
    Mr. Sewell, in your complete post you laid out why I decry the theory of CITIZEN GRAND JURIES being the only way. ”

    I don’t do “only way” kind of thinking. I am an “all of the above” kind of guy when it comes to getting rid of Obama.

    Please read this:
    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2010/06/why-citizen-grand-juries-havent-worked.html
    =============================================

    I have been reading the Steady Drip since Dr. Sewell first began writing about the ineligibility of bo. He and I have always been open to all effective methods of legally removing bo.

    In light of the recent disapproval polls it is becoming increasing likely that bo will be indicted and brought to trial by a judicially convened Grand Jury. However, the Citizen Grand Jury remains an excellent method for citizens to declare their grievances about corruption by government officials.

    Dr. Sam Sewell: “I think CGJ is the quickest, most effective, and most practical way to clean up government corruption. I have yet to see a viable argument against that premise.”

    Justice Antonin Scalia: “…In fact, the whole theory of its (the Grand Jury) function is that it belongs to no branch of the institutional Government, serving as a kind of buffer or referee between the Government and the people

    Justice Lewis Powell ruled:“ Such an (Grand Jury) investigation may be triggered by tips, rumors… or the personal knowledge of the grand jurors.”

    Mark Levin: “The possibility of impeachment does not immunize the president from criminal prosecution. He remains, at all times, a citizen of the United States who is answerable to the law.”

    You see our Founding Fathers never intended for us to be lorded over by corrupt criminals in the White House and Congress. To the contrary, our Founding Fathers intended for We the People to have control over our Government and our politicians.

    That is one of the primary reasons that they bestowed upon us that extraordinary Bill of Rights which provided for the Grand Jury System controlled by the people not the politicians.

    In our Founding Fathers’ prescient wisdom, they designed a Grand Jury System in which no man, not even the President of the United States, is above the Law.

    For information on forming a Secret Grand Jury to investigate crimes go here:

    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/06/how-to-start-and-lead-citizens-grand.html

    For information on Crimes committed by the BHO regime:

    http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/category/nashville

  41. With Good Patriots like this demanding justice across the Nation, it is just a matter of time before bo is brought to justice.

  42. Bob – 3:25 PM
    “The problem with his document is the name of the Obstetrician. No one with that name appears in any British records of their medical societies. Since in that part of the world, even under the British Protectorate, Obstetricians are a very rare breed, this is the major fact that undermines the ‘authenticity’ of the Lucas document.”
    *********************************************
    Bob, because obstetricians ARE rare in that part of the world, perhaps a sort of “midwife” performed the services and that person’s name is on the certificate. No doubt there would not be a record of that type of person in any British records. Just a thought.

  43. With each passing day it gets deeper, stickier, and stinkier.

    We will get to the bottom of this quagmire, but in the mean time, every day 24/7 , We The People live RENT FREE inside the collective heads of barry soetoro and the LSM slime.

    How much longer till the crack in the dam becomes a catastrophic failure and the usurper’s house of cards comes tumbling down?

  44. Sam entitled one of my first articles Two Ideas to Empower Patriots.

    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/03/two-ideas-to-empower-patriots-by.html

    “You might also give your friendly Sheriff or Police Chief a call and see if you can get some assistance from local law enforcement personnel in gathering evidence against the BO campaign.”

    “March 30, 2009 1:56 PM

    Leo the Lawyer said…
    To further clarify the point: If you live in a County with a Conservative Constitutionalist Attorney General, by all means see if you can get the Attorney General’s cooperation in presenting your criminal information against BO & his co-conspirators to the Grand Jury, i.e., you don’t need to bypass the Attorney General if he is on your side, the side of Our Constitution.

    March 31, 2009 1:58 PM “

    ead more: Grand Jury – The Subpoena To Testify

    http://law.jrank.org/pages/1263/Grand-Jury-subpoena-testify.html#ixzz0uuR5PmpA

    There’s plenty of proof for Grand Jury Indictments of BHO & his co-conspirators in County Courts all across America.

    There are many examples of Grand Juries doing their duties are indicting corrupt politicians. 3 judges have been indicted in the last 20 years in Nashville alone.

    It is rare that a Grand Jury indicts a DA but it has happened in the celebrated case of Dutch Shultz, the Nifong North Carolina case and in these recent cases.

    http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/614/police_drug_corruption

    http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/texassouthwest/stories/DN-medina_15tex.ART.State.Edition1.45a30ee.html

    http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/category/nashville/

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_jury

    For those who are skeptical of the power of the Grand Jury to operate independent of the prosecutor or indeed target a prosecutor. Take a look at this Mississippi:

    Because grand juries are generally composed of ordinary citizens with no special training or experience in the law, they usually follow the lead of the prosecutor assigned to them. The classic complaint of defendants’ attorneys is that grand jurors would indict a ham sandwich if the prosecutor asked them to. But they don’t always do as the prosecutor wishes, as Jeannene Pacific, the district attorney in Jones County, Mississippi, discovered. Ms. Pacific became the target of her own grand jury when it sought to investigate over $35,000 paid by the county’s Worthless Check Unit to Pacific and her staff as “salary supplements.” Alarmed, Pacific asked the local court to forbid the grand jury’s actions. Although the local court did so, the Mississippi Supreme Court ruled that the grand jury had the power to investigate:

    “The grand jury must be free to pursue its investigations unhindered by external influence or supervision so long as it does not trench on the legitimate rights of any witness called before it. The court generally cannot limit the grand jury, its legitimate investigation, interfere with its investigatory function, control the nature of its investigation, prohibit consideration of offenses within any particular class of crimes, stay its proceedings, dismiss a matter, or do various other things.”

    Ex Parte Jones County Grand Jury, 705 So. 2d 1308 (Miss. 1997)

  45. Jonah
    Yes , I noticed that about the free Republic site , no more talk about his lack of documents, uuuummm , I guess the site isn’t free any more . Atlas Shrugs , Noquarter , the same ,,,,,

    Maybe they got the old heal to the throat treatment or found a fish in their bed……….

  46. Citizen Carlyle 2:46 PM
    “We need to continue to push and do everything we are doing – we must get him out of office sooner rather than later – but we must reset our expectations. Making him quietly disappear is going to have to be enough.”
    **********************************
    Your point of the entire post is well taken, and I tend to agree with the part about avoiding riots and financial upheaval; however, now I’m veering off that somewhat in this way. Haven’t we said that the nations of the world (at least the intelligence of the governments) know more about BHO than we do? I personally feel that they know he is a usurper. He is made fun of in some quarters, e.g., France’s president doesn’t care for him. There have to be others. Most of the time it is kept under raps.

    As far as this country’s reaction is concerned, if he were to be exposed in the way we hope for, I am not so sure that we would see significant riots, etc. The majority of the country doesn’t like his policies, and as each day goes on, people are beginning to scorn his personal behavior. It would depend largely on how “it” was done, i.e., the exposure and removal.

    If it appears that he is being abused by the new Congress to a large degree, then public opinion would come into sway, and the bleeding hearts could have some influence. If we were to resign (from all of the heat really) and give a reason like, “I am deeply indebted to this country for allowing me to serve you as your President, but truly I am a man of the world. I’ve always had the aspirations to do something great for the world, not just for my country. The entire world needs me, so it is with regret that I must now resign to fulfill that higher dream, that higher goal.” , then I think even the lefties would accept it. He could exit peacefully and quietly.

    CC, I agree 100% that we should be prepared to accept that BHO may – MAY not be punished for any of the crimes which we know he has committed. He may not even stay around long enough to be indicted. If that should happen, there are going to be a lot of angry Americans, who want justice done. I share that passion but have to accept that lesser may occur.

    My personal conclusion is: ” Let God’s will be done in earth as it is in heaven.”

  47. Sam Sewell | September 5, 2010 at 3:07 pm | “

    I think all of you underestimate the tremendous damage that would be done domestically and internationally if Zero were outed as a usurper. In addition to riots and chaos and total upset of world balance of power, the domestic economy would tank and the world economy would further implode.”
    ************
    I made that point over a year ago , I used the , ” The Road Warrior ” as a possible out come , but no one wants to believe it , and I don’t blame them , it’s quite a horrible thought to face .

  48. Larry, the hypocrissy is showing bright here in the deleting of comments and the sending into moderation. Interesting how you and Mr. Haffy talk about free speech and then block someone who calls you out on outright misrepresentations.

    I must admit I never thought you would end up engaging in these practices, but I guess ego’s do tend to destroy people.

    Gianni, no the reason for my transferring the copyright has nothing to do with what you suggested. In fact Parisi cannot go after any of them for anything.

    I must say Larry Wells I never thought I would see you in this light. All the best to you.

  49. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) | September 5, 2010 at 2:46 pm

    Thank you for your response. It gives me an opportunity to answer the points you and many others have been making for some time as to why the judges avoid ruling on this issue.

    Part 1
    “I agree with 99% of what you said. But I think all of you underestimate the tremendous damage that would be done domestically and internationally if Zero were outed as a usurper. In addition to riots and chaos and total upset of world balance of power, the domestic economy would tank and the world economy would further implode.”
    THE QUESTION IS WHICH IS GREATER—THE DAMAGE YOU THINK MIGHT HAPPEN IF HE IS OUSTED OF THE DAMAGE HE HAS ALREADY DONE AND IS CONTINUING TO DO.?

    WHICH IS WORSE– THE SUPPOSED RIOTS THAT MIGHT OCCUR OR THE CIVIL WAR AND REVOLUTION THAT IS CERTAIN TO COME IF THE USURPER IS NOT REMOVED AND ALL THAT AMERICANS HAVE LEARNED AND BELIEVED ABOUT OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM IS SHREDDED BY THESE JUDAS’? EITHER WAY—IT WILL BE BLOOD IN THE STREETS.

    IN CASE YOU HAVEN’T NOTICED LATELY THE SO CALLED “WORLD BALANCE OF POWER” CONTROLLED BY THE CLUB 300 ‘AIN’T’ SO BALANCED. THERE IS ALSO ANOTHER DRIVING FORCE OF WHICH THE USURPER IS SUPPORTING—THE ISLAMIZATION OF THE WESTERN WORLD THAT WANTS TO NAME SOEBARKAH THE CALIPHATE OF THE ENTIRE 1.5 BILLION MUSLIM WORLD.

    AS A REALTOR OF 33 YEARS I AM VERY AWARE OF ECONOMIC TRENDS AND CRISIS. THERE WAS NOT AND IS NOT ONE LOGICAL OR NATURAL REASON FOR THE ECONOMIC DISASTER THAT OCCURRED IN AUGUST OF 2007—SAVE THAT WHICH WAS MANIPULATED BY UNSCRUPULOUS PEOPLE TO FORCE A WIN FOR BARRY SOTOERO.—JUST AS THERE IS NOT ONE LOGICAL OR NATURAL REASON FOR THE CONTINUED ECONOMIC CRISIS SAVE THAT AS MANIPULATED BY THE INVISIBLE POWERS THAT BE OF WHICH BARRY SOTOERO IS A PUPPET.

    THE SOONER THE LOOTER/ RAPIST OF AMERICA IS REMOVED THE SOONER AMERICA WILL BEGIN TO RECOVER—ECONOMICALLY, PSYCHOLOGICALLY, AND SPIRITUALLY. WITH THE BOOT OF BARRY AND MANY OF HIS WORLD LEADER PLAYMATES REMOVED FROM THE NECKS OF CITIZENS AROUND THE WORLD, THE ECONOMY WILL SPRING BACK AND BECOME MORE ROBUST THAN IT HAS EVER SEEN IN THE PAST.

    PART 2
    “YOU’RE OWN PERSONAL FINANCIAL SITUATION WOULD DRASTICALLY DUMP!”

    My own personal financial situation DID DRASTICALLY DUMP. I was forced into retirement at the beginning of 2009 because the real estate market had nearly halted. After a life time of struggle I saw all my plans disintegrate before my eyes in a matter of months. Now all I and my family are doing is hanging on by the skin of our teeth.

    Part 3
    You all need to remember that ALL the world’s major currencies are based on trust. Not a one of them is based on valuables. The USD is the Most Trusted and the foundation (the framework, the struts, the glue that holds it all together) worldwide.
    Whether or not any of you agree with this is totally beside the point and irrelevant. The only thing that matters is what the PTBs think. And this is what they “know”.

    BASED UPON TRUST? TRUST IN WHAT? THE LYING, CHEATING FEDERAL RESERVE? FANNIE MAY AND FREDDIE MACK? THE CHINESE LENDERS? TRUST IN AN ILLEGAL CRIMINAL IN THE WH WHO JUST FINISHED LOOTING BP FOR 20 BILLION DOLLARS THAT NO ONE WILL EVER KNOW JUST HOW MUCH AND WHO WILL GET MOST OF THOSE BILLIONS—

    TRUST AND NOT VALUABLES? IS THAT WHY THE US IS LOSING ITS TRIPLE A CREDIT RATING? WHAT ABOUT ALL THE AMERICAN REAL ESTATE HILARY, THE BETRAYER OF TRUST PUT UP AS COLLATERAL TO THE CHINESE FOR ALL THE BILLIONS THEY BORROWED—IS THIS WHAT YOU CALL TRUST?

    PART 4
    We will never get the pleasure of seeing Zero get what he deserves. He will never be officially outed. At some point if we get too close, or if the situation otherwise threatens to unravel, Zero will either escape or will be persuaded to step down for some harmless reason. He will then be fully pardoned retroactively and proactively by the next president – regardless of D or R.
    The only part of my argument that is even a wee bit weak is in regards to actual crimes – things like bribery, murder, etc. Somebody may eventually be able to pin one of these on him. But there is no way the eligibility aspect, and especially that he is a usurper and an illegitimate CinC or Leader, will ever be officially recognized.
    I did not use to believe this. I thought we could prevail. But I also knew we had to do it early. Now every day that goes by and every “victory” for their team makes the con build upon the con. The “structure” gets bigger and bigger and implicates more and more people. Which leads directly to my last and perhaps most critical point. Zero could never be convicted of being a usurper without directly implicating and convicting a vast chunk of the power elite. The country could not stand that much “change” all at once.

    I, TOO, HAVE THOUGHT THAT BARRY MAY VERY WELL GET AWAY WITH IT ALL BECAUSE OF THE VAST NUMBERS OF PEOPLE WHO ARE COMPLICIT WITH THE ACT OF USURPATION. ONE COULD HAVE BELIEVED THE SAME THING ABOUT HITLER WHEN HE WAS AT THE HEIGHT OF HIS POWER. THOUGH, HITLER WAS NEVER PERSONALLY TRIED BECAUSE HE COMMITTED SUICIDE, HE HAS BEEN TRIED FOR ETERNITY BY HISTORY. IT MAY COME TO THAT ABOUT BARRY.

    NEVERTHELESS, IT IS OUR PATRIOTIC DUTY TO PERSIST IN EXPOSING EVERY DETAIL, EVERY JUDGE AND EVERY CRIME WE CAN DOCUMENT FOR THE ENLIGHTENMENT OF THE WORLD. WE MUST NEVER GIVE UP HOPE THAT THE TRUTH WILL PREVAIL. THIS IS A PARTICULARLY IMPORTANT POINT TO PURSUE BECAUSE WE WANT TO PREVENT IT FROM EVERY REPEATING AGAIN.

    THE FIGHT IS FOR OUR COUNTRY AS WE HAVE ALWAYS BELIEVED IT.

  50. Sam.
    I prefer riots to Obama being a usurper and destroying the country.
    Those who riot are typically opportunists.
    Upholding the US Constitution, as was done during the Nixon Watergate debacle,
    sends the strongest signal to our citizens and the world that our country and it’s
    checks and balances still works.

  51. ARMY D.A.V.,

    I did a search for Lucas Smith at Free Republic and it looks like he was banned or suspended some time after a post he made in June about the Kenya BC.

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2536309/posts

    http://www.freerepublic.com/~inspectorsmith/

  52. citizenwells | September 5, 2010 at 5:29 pm |
    Sam.
    I prefer riots to Obama being a usurper and destroying the country.
    Those who riot are typically opportunists.
    Upholding the US Constitution, as was done during the Nixon Watergate debacle,
    sends the strongest signal to our citizens and the world that our country and it’s
    checks and balances still works.
    ===============================================

    I agree, CW. There may be 1960’s type riots when bo is legally removed, but that is not nearly as catastrophic as the Terrorist overthrow of our Federal and State Governments that being is aiding and abetting.

  53. U.S.A. Patriots Shout 5:26 PM
    “NEVERTHELESS, IT IS OUR PATRIOTIC DUTY TO PERSIST IN EXPOSING EVERY DETAIL, EVERY JUDGE AND EVERY CRIME WE CAN DOCUMENT FOR THE ENLIGHTENMENT OF THE WORLD. WE MUST NEVER GIVE UP HOPE THAT THE TRUTH WILL PREVAIL. THIS IS A PARTICULARLY IMPORTANT POINT TO PURSUE BECAUSE WE WANT TO PREVENT IT FROM EVERY REPEATING AGAIN.”
    *****************************
    I agree with every fiber of my being, as do the rest here.

  54. CW,

    Regarding the ” emphasis placed on eligibility in the presidential line of succession,” the Congressional Record should be researched for congressional intent in the usage of the term, eligibility, i.e., there is a defined reason for every word written into a Law. What other reason is there for using the word eligibility other than compliance with the NBC qualification for POTUS?

  55. ARMY D.A.V. | September 5, 2010 at 5:25 pm |

    Sam Sewell | September 5, 2010 at 3:07 pm | “

    I think all of you underestimate the tremendous damage that would be done domestically and internationally if Zero were outed as a usurper. In addition to riots and chaos and total upset of world balance of power, the domestic economy would tank and the world economy would further implode.”
    ************
    I made that point over a year ago , I used the , ” The Road Warrior ” as a possible out come , but no one wants to believe it , and I don’t blame them , it’s quite a horrible thought to face .
    **************************************
    Army D.A.V., I would rather equate this usurpation and it’s remedy with the movie “The Patriot”. Kick the British traitor out of America!

  56. Cabby – AZ

    Actually, the name John Odongo is very famous in that area — almost as famous as ‘George Washington’ or ‘Thomas Jefferson’ is in this country.

    Had Lucas known that, he might have had concern about the authenticity of the document he was given almost immediately, but apparently he didn’t.

    f you saw a ‘birth certificate’ in this country signed by ‘Robert E. Lee,’ you would probably have serious questions about what you just paid $5,000 for! That’s about what Lucas got.

    John Odongo was never an Obstetrician.

  57. “I agree with 99% of what you said. But I think all of you underestimate the tremendous damage that would be done domestically and internationally if Zero were outed as a usurper. In addition to riots and chaos and total upset of world balance of power, the domestic economy would tank and the world economy would further implode.”

    You have got to be kidding right? I absolutely disagree with this. The American People would pause for a long moment, then get angry that they had been mislead, and then move on with restoring a proper government. Your talking about economic meltdown so lets talk about Keynesian economics, or better yet the newest version…Obamanomics. Obamanomics is goverment intervention on a huge scale, to ‘balance the peaks and valleys’ of the economy and allow a ‘socialistic’ government to become the largest force. What Keynesian economics and Obamanomics doesn’t seem to take into account that while government can stabilize the peaks and valleys of a robust free economy, continued expansion of government strangles said economy. The ecomomy is like any biological system, it has natural fluctuations, but introducing a ‘new’ species for control often results in ecological disaster. The federal government economic pursuits have now made it an invading species on the the free economy, it is beyond ‘control’ it has become the entity (now nearly 50% of the GDP). I PROMISE you that lowering the Federal goverment to 20-25% of GDP would result in a HUGE economic boom.

    Thus, I say, Obama and Obamanomic doesn’t work, and business and the people are already noticing that something isn’t ‘right’ with the ecomomy. You wouldn’t have ‘meltdown’ getting rid of lies and bad goverment, you would have a BOOM!! Further, I say that people are telling you that we would have “Roadwarrior” to place you in fear of doing the right thing, and as an excuse for failing to do their duties. Anybody wants “Roadwarrior”, or complete economic collapse, just keep saying that we can’t out Obama.

    Pete

  58. >>>citizenwells | September 5, 2010 at 5:29 pm |
    Sam.
    I prefer riots to Obama being a usurper and destroying the country.
    Those who riot are typically opportunists.
    Upholding the US Constitution, as was done during the Nixon Watergate debacle, sends the strongest signal to our citizens and the world that our country and it’s checks and balances still works.<<<

    That's how you restore confidence and that leads to consumer confidence. That is how you get out of this economic disaster, along with controlling the federal goverment to 20-25% of GDP.

    Pete

  59. Jonah | September 5, 2010 at 5:33 pm |

    Thanks

  60. **** New Post ****

  61. Free Speech | September 5, 2010 at 5:46 pm |

    citizenwells | September 5, 2010 at 5:29 pm |
    Sam.
    I prefer riots to Obama being a usurper and destroying the country.
    Those who riot are typically opportunists.
    Upholding the US Constitution, as was done during the Nixon Watergate debacle,
    sends the strongest signal to our citizens and the world that our country and it’s
    checks and balances still works.
    ===============================================

    I agree, CW. There may be 1960′s type riots when bo is legally removed, but that is not nearly as catastrophic as the Terrorist overthrow of our Federal and State Governments that being is aiding and abetting.
    **********************************************************
    Above all, we cannot allow Obama to set a precedent as to eligibility for the presidency. It must remain off limits to all but natural born citizens, and this must be made clear.

  62. I don’t mean to embarrass Judge Lind , but I think she should at least find out why her fearless leader has no finger print record in the US .

    ARMY.. those with great investigative skills need to find what they have on Judge Lind…expose it and see just where she stands…how will she react??
    Will she do the honorable thing and help in any way she can or just duck the issues even after the shame, blackmail, dirty deed is exposed to America…this must be the reason she is committing treason; noone hates their country this much–if so, they should leave it!

  63. bob strauss | September 5, 2010 at 6:12 pm |
    YES, bob,

    bo is the epitome of the Alien Usurper Tyrant that our Founding Fathers were trying to protect America from.

  64. bob strauss | September 5, 2010 at 5:53 pm |
    Just mentioning a possible scenario Bob , did you hear any Bugles sounding the retreat call .
    It doesn’t matter to me I’m ready either way , I already have the Australian cattle dog and a big truck , all I have to pick up some nice leathers.

  65. In addition to riots and chaos and total upset of world balance of power, the domestic economy would tank and the world economy would further implode.
    CC, what’s your point?? That’s happening already, is reportedly inevitable…have you heard?? This nation’s pension funds are 3 trillion underfunded.
    And that’s just for starters..

  66. We need to continue to push and do everything we are doing – we must get him out of office sooner rather than later –

    When TPTB are ready to get rid of him…it’ll happen, not a minute before.

  67. oh, I forgot–watch for that plane crash that will burn everyone beyond recognition–and if it were me–I’d NEVER fly with this fraud.

  68. JJ | September 5, 2010 at 6:17 pm |

    It wouldn’t do any good , she’s just a lug wrench in Seotoro’s Chinese made tool box ….. Getting rid of that one might be worst , he might start using his power tools.

  69. Tell them if they can’t comply with your simple request, you intend to vote for someone who can and will follow the Constitution !!!

    Been there, done that for 18 months…apparently they are not shaking in thir boots.
    Noticed what got passed in the senate lately??

  70. Bob | September 5, 2010 at 5:54 pm |

    Thanks for the clarification re. Lucas Smith’s efforts. I never had followed that event very closely.

  71. Veterans Defenders

    Must show dd-214 to join
    U.S. citizen
    No felony convictions

    http://www.veterandefenders.org/

  72. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    usapatriots-shout.blogspot.com | September 5, 2010 at 5:26 pm |

    ===============================================

    Again, I agree with most of what you said. But perhaps my point about the USD and “trust” was not clear. I was not referring to “trust” or “valuables” in any broad general way. I was using specific economic terms of art. I was specifically detailing that all of the major currencies are fiat currencies that are not based on, say, gold, but simply on the good will and stability of each of the respective governments.

    Stability is a key word here. They only way fiat currencies work at all is because of a perception of continuity. A dollar today is worth approximately a dollar tomorrow. We all know the adage that the stock market hates uncertainty. Bad news is actually better for the stock market than uncertainty. Deposing Obama and identifying him as an infiltrator and a usurper would generate the mother of all uncertainties.

    I was only meaning to say that BECAUSE of the fiat currency systems and the necessity of stability, chaos and uncertainty within the US would have devastating world consequences.

  73. Poor little Code Pink , I was wondering what happened to the pinkos . Soros shut off their funding , now they become the disillusioned leftist .
    Little commies, never learn , because they always fail to learn history .
    Once the Socialist party takes power they get rid of the leftists .

    Watch out Seotoro ,your worst enemy is coming for you ………….

  74. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) | September 5, 2010 at 6:59 pm |

    NONSENSE! The removal of bo would provide certainty to financial markets. bo’s continued destruction of the US Financial Markets is of tremendous concern to World Markets. No investors want to invest in Companies that are subject to takeover by the criminals in the bo regime.

  75. Just a suggestion for any email sent to government “leaders” . . . fwiw

    Address or CC the message to as many media, state legislators and other state officials allowed by your particular email limits.

    That way
    We all back each other up more. More “leaders” become more aware of the growing number of citizens who are speaking up. One message goes a long way, making the most of your thoughtful time and effort.

    Another possibility is to copy all the email addresses, once you’ve pasted them all into the address box, to send follow-up questions about what the recipients have done to address your concern. Send routinely as part of your daily agenda.

  76. Citizen Carlyle 2:46 PM
    “We need to continue to push and do everything we are doing – we must get him out of office sooner rather than later – but we must reset our expectations. Making him quietly disappear is going to have to be enough.”

    What a crock—in other third world countries when justice is served and the villian is outed, we cheer….are we less people just because it’s our country being dictated to by a fraud and a thief??
    I THINK NOT, SIR!!

  77. Cabby – AZ | September 5, 2010 at 6:39 pm |
    Bob | September 5, 2010 at 5:54 pm |
    Cabby – AZ
    Actually, the name John Odongo is very famous in that area — almost as famous as ‘George Washington’ or ‘Thomas Jefferson’ is in this country.
    Had Lucas known that, he might have had concern about the authenticity of the document he was given almost immediately, but apparently he didn’t.
    f you saw a ‘birth certificate’ in this country signed by ‘Robert E. Lee,’ you would probably have serious questions about what you just paid $5,000 for! That’s about what Lucas got.
    John Odongo was never an Obstetrician.
    =========================================
    BOB,
    I’m into genealogy and I’m not totally convinced that the Lucas BC is authentic.
    However, in response to your reasoning, White Pages in Arizona alone, has 9 listings for Thomas Jefferson, 10 for George Washington and over 100 for Robert E Lee! If John Obongo was a famous Kenyan it stands to reason that it could be a popular name among Kenyans. Is it logical that a Supervisor of Obstetrics in 1961Kenya may have the name John Obongo?

    Where did you learn that John Kwame Obongo was not an OB? Please don’t tell me factcheck.org.

  78. Bravo, USAPatriot and one of the things getting me through these days is knowing many will write books of this tragic event, and EVERY LYING, STINKING, TREASONOUS senator, representative, administrative officer, czar, judge(district, state, federal), and Scotus will be remembered and recorded as haters of this nation.

  79. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Reply to Everybody

    Many of you commented directly or indirectly to my essay stating that Zero would never be outed. Rather than responding individually, let me make some summary responses. First and foremost, I am asking you to try to think like a PTB.

    1. Here is one particular instance. Maybe we all “know” that Obama is questionable on strict interpretation of eligibility. But nothing horrible has happened. In fact, nothing even sort of bad has happened, and we don’t think it will. Sure Obama is an incapable, moron, street thug, but those all have to do with who he IS. That have nothing to do with eligibility. So, we have a choice – ignore the eligibility aspects and nothing bad happens – or out the b*st*rd and maybe (almost certainly?) all hell breaks loose. So, which do I choose?

    2. Maybe we need to get rid of Obama (remember: “incapable moron thug”), but we need to focus on those critical things. Best of all is out force him out of office via the 2012 vote. Second best is to stick him with some crime like with Nixon. But outing him over “eligibility” is a lose/lose proposition.

    3. Some of you have touched on this, but [Pete | September 5, 2010 at 5:58 pm] hits it most squarely. See my item #1 just above. Obama is a disaster, Keynesian economics is a disaster, Progressives are generally a disaster for America. But NONE of these things have anything to do with “eligibility”. We would have the same exact problems with Gore, or Kerry, or Hillary. That is why Beck and Limbaugh and others keep attacking on these substantive issues. But it is also why none of the PTBs will lift a finger to go after Obama on a “technicality” like eligibility. Ineligibility causes none of these things. So why argue or fight about eligibility. It is a “third rail” and a good way to cause a lot of harm and there is no upside.

    4. Finally, I have said this before, but it hasn’t gelled for most people yet. We must address RACISM. Not real racism, but the threat and name calling. Most relevant to the present discussion, it works like this: “Every President and most cabinet officials and congress people have violated the constitution in one way or another every year since at least 1913. How dare you trot out that charge against our Negro? Why single him out? And on a bleeping ‘technicality’, besides.”

    THIS is how PTBs think and act. PTBs are in charge, not you or I. So THIS is what is going to happen. Some of you still don’t “get” that I am not talking about what I wish or what I think – I am explaining how PTBs think and how they act.

    Also – a very critical point – and a grave logical error – and naivete about how the world and diplomacy works. There have been over the centuries, and there are right now, many open secrets. There is a HUGE diplomatic difference between something “everybody knows” and something that is officially on the record. It also is related to the concept of “plausible deniability”. Please, none of you make the mistake again of confusing official statements with open secrets.

    (Here is a very current topical example of that concept: Everybody knows that the leader and creator of a certain religious sect and government system was a brutal criminal and a pedophile. But guess what would happen if any country made an official statement in this regard?)

  80. Army D.A.V., I would rather equate this usurpation and it’s remedy with the movie “The Patriot”. Kick the British traitor out of America!

    I’ll need to pray real hard tonight–I WANT HIM HUNG!!!

  81. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Quit arguing and disagreeing with me!

    I am not saying these things and they are not what I wish to happen. What I REALLY think and what you think aren’t worth a grain of sand. Facts are not worth a grain of sand (e.g. a suggestion that “the economy will get better without Obama”.)

    The ONLY thing that matters is what the PTBs think.

    Here is another for instance to help clarify conflicting thoughts. If Zero is booted because his economic policies have proven ineffective, then the economy will get better. If Zero is outed over eligibility, then there will be chaos, riots, world turmoil, and a significantly worsened economy. You have to separate these things out and look at them like a PTB looks at them.

    I used to think with my heart also – I was just sure that we could do this and righteousness could prevail. But that was before the “structure” got “too big to fail” The lies heaped on lies heaped on lies. The Lakin hearing the other day was the last straw. It proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that the PTBs are too frightened to do what needs to be done.

    Like I said earlier today – you can agree or disagree – it matters not one fig. The PTBs are gonna do what their gonna do – and they don’t even know you exist, let alone care what you think. And, no, they are not afraid in the slightest that there will be civil unrest from the patriots and constitutionalists – they/we don’t do that sort of thing. They are afraid of “them” – and you know who I mean.

  82. DEATH OF THE OLD COW

    Suddenly, a cow jumps out into the road, the car hits it full on, and the car
    comes to a stop.

    Nancy , in her usual charming manner, says to the chauffeur, “You get out
    and check–you were driving.”

    So the chauffeur gets out, checks, and reports that the animal is dead, but
    it was old.

    “You were driving, so you go and tell the farmer,” says Nancy . Two
    hours later the chauffeur returns totally plastered, hair ruffled with a big grin on his face.

    “My God, what happened to you?” asks Nancy .

    The chauffeur replies, “When I got there, the farmer opened his best bottle
    of malt whiskey, the wife gave me a slap-up meal and the daughter made love to me.”

    “What on earth did you say?” asks Nancy . “I just knocked on
    the door and when it opened I said to them, “I’m Nancy Pelosi’s chauffeur,
    and I’ve just killed the old cow.”

  83. Once the Socialist party takes power they get rid of the leftists .

    Watch out Seotoro ,your worst enemy is coming for you ………….

    ARMY…you mean it’s the next morning and someone got up, went to work, left a note thanking for the previous night, promising to call??

  84. He not busy being born is busy dying.
    You are either part of the solution, or part of the problem.
    Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

    With respect to the US Constitution requirement that POTUS be NBC, there are two kinds of American Citizens, birthers and traitors.

    I count myself with the birthers. Rationalizations are worthless. No Founder would tolerate for a day the situation we are in today.

  85. JJ | September 5, 2010 at 7:51 pm |

    Yes exactly ……..uuuummm ., let me read that again, uuuuummmm , ah …….JJ..

  86. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Bill G | September 5, 2010 at 7:57 pm |

    =================================

    Accepting what you say at face value, there are two sub-items you need to consider.

    1. Are you as passionate about all other constitutional violations as you are this one?

    2. Leaving passion out of it – relying on reason alone – is this the worst constitutional violation of the last 100 years? Or just one of many.

    3. Are your emotions and actions consistent with your responses to 1 and 2.

  87. “Zero could never be convicted of being a usurper without directly implicating and convicting a vast chunk of the power elite. The country could not stand that much “change” all at once.”
    I disagree-all criminals, crimes, conspirators, co-conspirators should/will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. It is the right and honorable thing to do. The criminals don’t get a say in this.
    “You all need to remember that ALL the world’s major currencies are based on trust. ”
    Trust went out the door with usurper and henchmen.
    “The only thing that matters is what the PTBs think.”
    The Constitutional Republic, our Constitution and WE THE PEOPLE need to prosecute the so-called “elites” (in their minds only) PTB’S (“Oh, what fools these mortals be”). If elites and PTB’s committed crimes like common criminals, time to man up and face the music.
    They can use Nixon and his henchmen as their model, and Nixon resigning pre impeachment trial was NOT the end of the world, but the world did follow it as they are watching the United States now “we are a nation of laws” lets live up to that motto, or look like bigger fools than we already do. Every foreign country knows Obama’s ineligible status-some of the things we don’t know What price blackmail? Our government is supposed to govern not run a criminal organization out of DC. Apologies to President George Washington for the abomination that has made out of the town that was honorably named after him.
    Sunday, September 05, 2010
    The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Sunday shows that 24% of the nation’s voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president. Forty-seven percent (47%) Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -23 (see trends).

  88. Dear Mr Carlyle:

    ‘There you go again’ with the rationalizations! Your ‘sub-items’ make my argument, thanks. :-)

  89. citizenwells @5:29 pm |
    “Those who riot are typically opportunists” having witnessed the aftermath of the riots in Chicago-the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.-I agree-since so much looting went on much of it was not due to the sad passing of a great leader-his murder to some was a horrible excuse to enter into the Joy of Crime and steal, rob, loot, burn and pillage. Those areas in Chicago never came back. When I think back to those days, I am still filled with the greatest sadness.

  90. Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff , Army Chief of Staff, Theater Commander,
    Corps Commander, Division Commander, Brigade Commander, Battalion Commander, Company/Troop Commander —

    Whoever is serving in these positions now with respect to LTC Lakin, YOU are responsible to ensure a fair trial for the soldier. You are responsible to uphold the Constitutional rights of LTC Lakin.

    You did not take an oath to defend the person of aka obama from the just, lawful consequences of unlawful behavior.

    You did not take an oath to serve as aka obama’s personal servant.

    You did not take an oath to violate your conscience or to prostitute your honor or to deprive those under your command of their God-given, Constitutionally guaranteed rights.

    What honorable commander would cause a soldier for whom he is responsible to suffer needlessly over an issue that is so easily resolved?

    For that matter, what honorable man exhibits pathologically obsessive secrecy or bizarre behavior (to the point of destroying the careers of and imprisoning honorable Americans) to avoid providing verifiable documentation for the claims he’s made about his life?

    An honorable man, one with the best interests of our nation as his first priority, would already have complied with the reasonable citizen requests for verifying identification documents made before the inauguration.

    Your duty is to keep the words of your oath. Your oath demands that you speak in support of LTC Lakin.

    If your conscience and honor do not also demand that you speak in support of LTC Lakin, then I conclude that you are devoid of both.

    If you will not fulfill your military oath, then, for the sake of all military personnel and their families, especially their children, as well as all American citizens and their families, especially their children, I sincerely ask that you resign your position in favor of an honorable oath keeper. Your disloyalty to our country, and misplaced personal loyalty to aka obama, endangers us all.

  91. All you others in positions of responsibility,

    Aka obama’s secrecy about his past is just. plain. WEIRD . . . . I mean, W.A.A.A.A.Y.Y.Y. WEIRD — for any human being.

    For the sake of us all, especially for our children, reconsider your reasons for ignoring this obvious fact. Whatever those reasons are, they aren’t good enough.

    Reconsider your refusal to investigate this perilous situation. Regardless of what you have been led to believe, your refusal to deal with the reality of aka obama and the threat he poses to our freedom, yours and mine, is extremely damaging to our nation.

    Instead of combatting him and socialism, you are, in fact, enabling his agenda.

    Look at the faces of your children, your grandchildren, those of your loved ones. Start an investigation of aka obama. Find out the facts. Start talking about removing him and his appointees.

    Refuse to serve your children up as fodder to a probable imposter, definite usurper who is playing us all for fools.

  92. @CC,

    as an outsider I agree with most of your comments. It is the first time that I have seen someone thinking beyond the issue of eligibility. In the future I do believe that the eligibility issue will have to be resolved, that is it must be enshrined in law so that this cannot happen again.

    Now let me address other points where I feel that there are ways that will help to bring down Øbama without “riots in the streets”.

    1. Perjury: this is the issue that caught out Nixon and Clinton. It is the one that can catch Øbama, because he lied when he took the oath of Office. In other words he swore to uphold the Constitution, instead he has ripped it apart.

    2. Misdeeds in relation to the use of taxpayer funds: how many of you have kept a tally of the funds that have been committed to Hamas, Kenya, etc.? In at least the case of giving funds to Hamas or other terror organizations, I would assume that there are ways in which this can be investigated in a Congress that is less friendly to Øbama, and for him to be indicted for giving comfort to the enemy (terrorist organizations on the banned list).

    3. Seizing General Motors and Chrysler – again this needs to be sorted out in the Congress.

    4. Fraud – this is where the eligibility issue fits – fraud was committed by Nancy Pelosi, Øbama and others by allowing his name to be placed on the ballot without the proper checks. In fact Nancy Pelosi signed off on the matter in 2008 and she is the one most liable for that fraud being committed. It does not end with Nancy Pelosi’s fraud either. There is the matter of the fraudulent document that was posted to the Internet with the intent of defrauding the public.

    5. Bribery and corruption – the new Congress will need to investigate the circumstances behind the promises that were made to get various individuals to change their vote over Abominablecare. This involves deals made by Pelosi as well as Øbama and Harry Reid and the Louisiana Purchase springs to mind, as well as those actions of Evan Bayer.

    These are the issues that the new Congress will have to address and they are all sufficient for impeachment.

    After the fraud has been impeached, then convicted in the Senate (I hope) he will have to face more criminal proceedings relating to his activity in Chicago.

  93. Pingback: LTC Terry Lakin court martial, Chain of command, US Army Study Guide, General George Casey, Chief of Staff, Citizen Wells open thread, December 8, 2010 | Citizen WElls

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