Christopher Coates exposes Julie Fernandez Deputy Assistant Attorney General, Coates corroborates J Christian Adams, Citizen Wells open thread, September 25, 2010

Christopher Coates exposes Julie Fernandez Deputy Assistant Attorney General, Coates corroborates J Christian Adams

Apparently Julie Fernandez, Deputy Assistant Attorney General, is a real piece of work. One might say she is the poster child for the far left and their creed that the end justifies the means. Yesterday in testimony, Christopher Coates, former head of the Justice Department’s Civil Right’s Voting Division, corroborated the statements made earlier by J Christian Adams when he resigned from the US Justice Dept.
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/295638-1

More on Julie Fernandez

“J Christian Adams, a former attorney in the Civil Rights Division of the US Justice Department, testified Tuesday, July 6, 2010, before the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights. Adams is interviewed afterwards on FOX News by Megyn Kelly.
Adams alleges that the Justice Dept ignores voter fraud and states that a mandate came from Deputy Assistant Attorney General Julie Fernandez.”

“Meanwhile, the forced dismissal of the New Black Panther case turned out to be just the beginning of the misery heaped on Coates. According to multiple sources at Justice, King and the political appointees who came in soon after Obama’s inauguration — particularly Julie Fernandez, an ideological firebrand and former lawyer for the Leadership Conference for Civil Rights — put severe restrictions on Coates almost as soon as they arrived and began micromanaging all of his work. The new political apparatchiks stripped Coates of virtually all discretionary authority, delegated responsibility for most decisions to more “results-oriented” underlings in the Voting Section, and rendered him a virtual figurehead.”

Read more:

http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2010/07/07/j-christian-adams-testimony-us-commission-on-civil-rights-julie-fernandez-fox-news-interview-us-justice-dept-corruption-voter-registration-not-enforced-megyn-kelly-interview-part-2/

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137 responses to “Christopher Coates exposes Julie Fernandez Deputy Assistant Attorney General, Coates corroborates J Christian Adams, Citizen Wells open thread, September 25, 2010

  1. Free Speech | September 25, 2010 at 10:03 am |
    Bankroller, excellent analysis. However, I do not think bo has a legitimate SSN. It is reported that bo and mo have multiple SSN and we have overwhelming evidence that bo and his co-conspirators have committed identity theft in conjunction with vote fraud in Nashville and many other locations.

    For information on Crimes committed by the BHO regime:

    http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/category/nashville

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    Bankroller | September 25, 2010 at 2:01 am |
    FWIW, here’s a few more random thoughts on tonight’s favorite topic:

    1. Gaining entry into Pakistan in 1981 on an Indonesian passport was not a problem.

    2. The CT SSN could be explained if BHO was granted “Indonesian Refugee Status” upon his re-entry into Hawaii circa 1969. Barry’s grandmother assumed his guardianship and probably requested Aid for Families with Dependent Children (AFDC).

    In 1975, the Federal law was amended and required all recipients of AFDC administered through the various states to obtain a SSN through the Social Security Administration.

    As an Indonesian National refugee, Barry’s American Resettlement Organization (ARO), located in Connecticut, used his I-94 to apply to SSA on Barack’s behalf for a SSN. Thus, the reason Barack’s SSN begins with 042, the three digits indicating a CT return address.

    3. The recently released SAD passport documents clearly show the name “Barack Hussein Obama (Soebarkah)” crossed from her passport renewal application dated Aug. 13, 1968. This is a CRITICAL error by his handlers since the instructions in fine print dictate that the crossed out name indicates that person renounced US citizenship and should be removed from the renewed passport.

    4. I believe that after the Soetoro adoption was anulled circa 1971, Barack Hussein Obama II was issued the COLB by the Hawaii DoH through a Court Order. But his citizenship remained as an Indonesian National. As an Indonesian National and Permanent Resident of the United States, Obama eventually qualified to naturalize as a US Citizen. But we have no proof that he actually was naturalized. . . yet. . .

    But we all know that a NATURALIZED CITIZEN does NOT qualify as a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN. The only thing that can change this fact is if he has a different father, but even then his Indonesian National status clouds the issue.

    Furthermore, on top of the facts that we currently know, he still could have been born in Kenya. . . and I believe this could well be the reason that the SAD passport records from 1960-64 were not released.

  2. Free Speech | September 25, 2010 at 10:32 am |
    Bankroller | September 25, 2010 at 1:02 am |
    Dean M. @ 11:05 P.M.: Its an interesting theory, and I appreciate your perspectives on this issue. . . but to give the theory any credence we would need to see solid evidence that Malcolm X was in Hawaii in late 1960. . . or a young 18 year old SAD crossed his path in some other fashion during that timeframe.

    I also find it difficult to believe that CIA would be sending a potentially unreliable 19 year old punk kid on critical missions to Pakistan in 1981. . .
    ================================================

    U R absolutely correct, Bankroller. Notice this CIA BS is now being hyped by the known obot cabby. I agree the CIA would not send an ” unreliable 19 year old punk kid ” on critical missions to Pakistan, especially an “unreliable 19 year old punk kid” who was going to Pakistan only for a 3 week homosexual fling with his homosexual Pakistani loverboy by whom he was kept at Occidental College.

  3. Bankroller | September 25, 2010 at 1:02 am |
    Dean M. @ 11:05 P.M.: Its an interesting theory, and I appreciate your perspectives on this issue. . . but to give the theory any credence we would need to see solid evidence that Malcolm X was in Hawaii in late 1960. . . or a young 18 year old SAD crossed his path in some other fashion during that timeframe.
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    The fairy tale that bo is Malcolm X’s illegitimate son is absolutely preposterous. The primary reason that X was murdered by the bo cohort followers of elijah muhammed is because X was critical of elijah muhamed for having sex with young NOI women and girls. X would not have had anything to do with white trash like stanley ann. It is possible that Frank was bo’s biological father because we know he raped stanley ann before he raped bo.

    http://www.includipedia.com/wiki/Elijah_Muhammad

    Assassination of Malcolm X

    The rift between Elijah Muhammad and Malcolm X was largely due to Malcolm’s discovery regarding rumors that Elijah Muhammad was having sex with various young NOI women and girls working for him, and that he had fathered their children.[4][5] Elijah Muhammad’s son, the girls, and eventually Elijah Muhammad himself confirmed to Malcolm that the rumors were true.[4][5] Malcolm felt compelled to make this known to the congregation, and to the public. A year later, he was forced out of NOI for the release of this damaging information, famously stating that “I am most probably dead already.” His action was not forgotten by the NOI. There is controversy as to whether Elijah Muhammad ordered Malcolm X’s assassination, or whether he stood by while promoting it.

    ===================================================

    Also bo cohort Louis Farakhan was implicated in X’s murder.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2000/05/10/60minutes/main194051.shtml

    Farrakhan Admission On Malcolm X

    (CBS) Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan admits in a 60 Minutes interview broadcast Sunday and reported on Wednesday’s CBS Evening News that his incendiary rhetoric played a role in the 1965 assassination of civil rights leader Malcolm X.

    Farrakhan makes the statements to Malcolm X’s daughter, Atallah Shabazz, and 60 Minutes Correspondent Mike Wallace.

    “I may have been complicit in words that I spoke leading up to February 21 [1965],” Farrakhan tells Shabazz and Wallace. “I acknowledge that and regret that any word that I have said caused the loss of life of a human being.”

    Shabazz later issued a statement thanking Farrakhan for acknowledging his role and said: “I wish him peace.” However, she did not forgive him.

  4. Free Speech @ 10:32 am | From prior post
    Your statements make the most sense. Due to the fact that I worked at various companies near O’Hare I met thru work guys who worked for : Federal Marshals Service, Dept of Treasury, FBI, G-men, T-men, etc.-Obama is no where near like these guys-super straight arrows. I’m well behaved (at least most of the time-I do try) but these guys are really, really straight. Obama is really an insult to be put in the same category as this fine group.
    U R absolutely correct, Bankroller. Notice this CIA BS is now being hyped by the known obot cabby. I agree the CIA would not send an ” unreliable 19 year old punk kid ” on critical missions to Pakistan, especially an “unreliable 19 year old punk kid” who was going to Pakistan only for a 3 week homosexual fling with his homosexual Pakistani loverboy by whom he was kept at Occidental College.

  5. Michelle | September 25, 2010 at 10:47 am |
    For anyone attacked by the Obama admin, and/or Obots
    http://hillbuzz.org/2010/09/25/convicted-felon-and-obama-operative-david-popcorn-kernell-update-conviction-stands-first-appeal-denied-sentencing-october-29th-2010/

    David “Popcorn” Kernell’s appeal has been denied, with a judge ruling this week that his felony conviction for destroyed evidence and impeding an FBI investigation should stand.

    His sentencing is scheduled for October 29th, where he’s expected to get between 15-21 months in prison for his crimes against Governor Palin.
    In 2008, Kernell, an Obama operative in Tennessee, broke into Governor Palin’s email account, gave access to her emails to the public via a website, and then tried to delete all evidence from his computer once he realized the FBI was coming for him.

    Kernell is the son of disgraced Tennessee state Representative Mike Kernell, a fellow Obama operative who taught his son to do absolutely anything to make sure Obama was elected.

    ===============================================

    “popcorn” is about to pop on bo co-conspirators from Memphis to Nashville to Knoxville. kernell knows all the bo cohorts who have committed identity theft and vote fraud across him. Many of them like him are demRat delinquent sons of demRat criminals in Tennessee.

    For information on Crimes committed by the BHO regime:

    http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/category/nashville

    For information on forming a Secret Grand Jury to investigate crimes go here:

    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/06/how-to-start-and-lead-citizens-grand.html

  6. Did anyone catch Sean Hannity last night mentioning Bobby Jindal, the Governor of Louisiana, as a possible Republican Presidential Cantidate. This is the 2nd time I have heard him mention this.
    My question is this -

    1 . Doesn’t he know that Jindal’s parents were not born in the U.S.A.?

    2 . He knows Jindal’s parents make him illegal and he is trying to start a stir.

    3 . Is he stupid and doesn’t know the NBC requirement?

    4 . Is he checking to see if anyone is watching his show?

    5 . Is it all of the above?

  7. Free Speech @ 11:12 am | Can you imagine an experienced interrogator up against this “kid”-just the slightest pressure and he will be singing like a canary. His father what a jerk involving this kid in this insanity-corruption into the next generation.
    “popcorn” is about to pop on bo co-conspirators from Memphis to Nashville to Knoxville. kernell knows all the bo cohorts who have committed identity theft and vote fraud across him

  8. ms. helga @ 11:13 am | Maybe they’re are just that stupid.

  9. >>>ms. helga | September 25, 2010 at 9:32 am |
    Pete – You are right on until the last line – We have a NON-government within our government!<<

    I think we agree on the fundementals here.
    Pete

  10. >>>>FreeSpeach
    U R absolutely correct, Bankroller. Notice this CIA BS is now being hyped by the known obot cabby. I agree the CIA would not send an ” unreliable 19 year old punk kid ” on critical missions to Pakistan, especially an “unreliable 19 year old punk kid” who was going to Pakistan only for a 3 week homosexual fling with his homosexual Pakistani loverboy by whom he was kept at Occidental College.<<<

    I have never said that Obama was sent to Pakistan by the CIA. I have said that all leads suggest a strong connection between the CIA and SAD and an adult Obama. There are way to many witnesses and corporate connections to discount this possibility outright, but I don't believe that the CIA would send a 19yo on a sensitive mission, but they wouldn't turn down the potential contacts or intelligence either.
    Pete

  11. Michelle | September 25, 2010 at 11:05 am |
    Free Speech @ 10:32 am | From prior post
    Your statements make the most sense. Due to the fact that I worked at various companies near O’Hare I met thru work guys who worked for : Federal Marshals Service, Dept of Treasury, FBI, G-men, T-men, etc.-Obama is no where near like these guys-super straight arrows. I’m well behaved (at least most of the time-I do try) but these guys are really, really straight. Obama is really an insult to be put in the same category as this fine group.
    U R absolutely correct, Bankroller. Notice this CIA BS is now being hyped by the known obot cabby. I agree the CIA would not send an ” unreliable 19 year old punk kid ” on critical missions to Pakistan, especially an “unreliable 19 year old punk kid” who was going to Pakistan only for a 3 week homosexual fling with his homosexual Pakistani loverboy by whom he was kept at Occidental College.
    ==============================================

    Yes, the obots, cabby & citizen carlyle, show their false flags colors when they hype this CIA BS.

    Anyone who knows anything about the CIA or any other intelligence agency knows that they would not pay for “unreliable 19 year old punk homosexual” to go on a 3 week homosexual summer fling with his homosexual Pakistani loverboy.

    Did you see the movie, “Nixon?” Remember how terrified President Nixon was of the CIA? Multiply by a thousand and then you can imagine how terrified bo and sunstein are of the CIA right now. That his why they send obots like cabby and citizen carlyle here to hype that CIA BS. They are desperately trying to stall bo’s inevitable demise, looking for a way to escape prison, but there is no way out for bo or sunstein now.

  12. Pete | September 25, 2010 at 11:40 am |
    >>>>FreeSpeach
    U R absolutely correct, Bankroller. Notice this CIA BS is now being hyped by the known obot cabby. I agree the CIA would not send an ” unreliable 19 year old punk kid ” on critical missions to Pakistan, especially an “unreliable 19 year old punk kid” who was going to Pakistan only for a 3 week homosexual fling with his homosexual Pakistani loverboy by whom he was kept at Occidental College.<<<

    I have never said that Obama was sent to Pakistan by the CIA…but I don't believe that the CIA would send a 19yo on a sensitive mission, but they wouldn't turn down the potential contacts or intelligence either.
    Pete
    =============================================

    Sorry Pete,

    but the CIA had ABSOLUTELY ZERO interest in bo's "report" on what he did on his Pakistani Summer vaction with his homosexual loverboy.

  13. Free Speech @ 11:41 am |
    “Did you see the movie, “Nixon?” Remember how terrified President Nixon was of the CIA? Multiply by a thousand and then you can imagine how terrified bo and sunstein are of the CIA right now”
    No, I never saw the movie, looks like I should, but I do like the balance of power factor, and if I were our President-I would want to have balance of power on me-that’s how dangerous I think power is. It can really corrupt a person, and I wouldn’t want total unfettered power. I liked George Washington’s view of power put it in the hands of WE THE PEOPLE, my job is being President, Congress you fulfill your role, Judiciary-you fulfill yours-and things should balance either other out. We are now seeing the worst abuses to our system, but viewing the worst, we now know what to FIX.

  14. Free Speech @ 11:52 am |
    “but the CIA had ABSOLUTELY ZERO interest in bo’s “report” on what he did on his Pakistani Summer vaction with his homosexual loverboy.”
    just from a statical point of view I wonder how he has escaped AIDS. No officer should have to read that report. BARF.

  15. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Have you all seen this. Apparently a Pro-Islam “somebody” has apparently been paving the way for a Muslim Obamessiah for a number of years.

    Texas warns book publishers: ‘No more white-washing Islam’

    You WON’T BELIEVE YOUR EYES as to what they been teaching our kids. Or why this warning was even necessary in the first place.

    This incredible EVIL has been building right in front of our eyes. Even if you are not religious, this is Cultural Relativism running TOTALLY OUT OF CONTROL!

    Folks, we have been SERIOUSLY ASLEEP AT THE WHEEL, to not have spoken up before now. I think we are all too fat, dumb, and happy!

    But they need to take the next step -
    ISLAM IS NOT EVEN A RELIGION.

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=207577

  16. Michelle | September 25, 2010 at 11:15 am |
    Free Speech @ 11:12 am | Can you imagine an experienced interrogator up against this “kid”-just the slightest pressure and he will be singing like a canary. His father what a jerk involving this kid in this insanity-corruption into the next generation.

    ==============================================
    There was a tremendous amount of evidence gleaned from his computers and cell phone that connected him to demRat co-conspirators from Knoxville to Nashville to Memphis. Of course, in TN all roads lead to Nashville. That is where bo cohorts algore, gov phil bredesen, mayor karl dean, judge tommie brothers, DA torry johnson, and the cheeks are.

    Considering all the criminal information already gotten, popcorn’s testimony against the bo co-conspirators will just be gravvy.

  17. I found Coates testimony riveting, in the 2 1/2 hour testimony I lost count of all of the laws that were broken, a couple of hundred at least.
    http://www.repubx.com/” an impeachable offense.”
    A second career civil rights lawyer ripped a hole in the Obama administration’s lies about the Black Panther voter intimidation case this morning. Christopher Coates, who headed the Voting Rights division of the Justice Department, said the administration’s decision to throw out the case was “a travesty of justice” that reflected the “anger” of the president’s appointees and their “deep-seated opposition to the equal enforcement of the” law “for the protection of white voters.” This second witness contradicts the testimony of administration officials and calls into question whether the president has ordered the Department of Justice to deny equal justice to a whole segment of American citizens, an impeachable offense.
    (Read Coates’ full testimony here.)

  18. Don’t you all remember this ?

    BO = Barrack Obama
    CIA = Central Intelligence Agency
    BO + CIA = BOCIA
    BOCIA = BOCIA (Italian for “The Kid”

  19. After listening to obama’s racist rants, it’s obvious that it’s payback time. The white “crackers” must now pay for the sins of their forefathers, which is “corruption of blood” prohibited by the Constitution.

    But who cares what the Constitution says when you have a strong enough majority? The only ones protesting are the helpless minority who cannot do anything about it.

  20. Michelle | September 25, 2010 at 11:05 am |
    Free Speech @ 10:32 am | From prior post
    Your statements make the most sense. Due to the fact that I worked at various companies near O’Hare I met thru work guys who worked for : Federal Marshals Service, Dept of Treasury, FBI, G-men, T-men, etc.-Obama is no where near like these guys-super straight arrows. I’m well behaved (at least most of the time-I do try) but these guys are really, really straight. Obama is really an insult to be put in the same category as this fine group.
    U R absolutely correct, Bankroller. Notice this CIA BS is now being hyped by the known obot cabby. I agree the CIA would not send an ” unreliable 19 year old punk kid ” on critical missions to Pakistan, especially an “unreliable 19 year old punk kid” who was going to Pakistan only for a 3 week homosexual fling with his homosexual Pakistani loverboy by whom he was kept at Occidental College.
    ********************************
    Michelle, Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! Look at your above post! You rightly give your own comments in the first paragraph and then immediately launch into a quote of Free Speech’s post from the prior thread in which he again maligns me – calling me an obot – simply for possibly having an opinion that might disagree with his. He is entitled to his opinion and you to yours. I respect those opinions but don’t call other posters nasty names.
    QUERY: Are you calling me an “obot”?

    I await your answer.

  21. Last night, I surfed the tv programming and never saw any of the “other” networks reporting on the Christopher Coates testimony. I am glad that you are covering the rest of this story CW. To me, aside from the obvious, this case shows the O administration blatantly ignoring Section 8 of the National Voter Registration Act. Mr. Coates explicitly discusses the potential for fraud in the 2010 election. How this current administration will NOT enforce the List Maintenance provision of that Act. He stated that at least 8 states have not complied with this rule and they are heavily populated with “democrat” voters. I think this point must be hammered home and go viral . With all the fraudulent activities of Acorn, and now our Justice Department’s willful attempt in allowing more potential
    fraud in the upcoming election, we can never be assured of a legitimate voting process. This is a National Disgrace!

    On another subject….from the prior topic…(discussions on MalcomX)
    I remember when that subject hit the net several years ago. If my memory is correct, in the later part of 1960, Malcom X WAS in Washington State for some kind of “radical” gathering. It is possible that SAD (being the free spirit that she was) could have attended. So there was that possibility that she could have been “exposed”. I never bought into the story, so I never tried to corroborate the facts.

  22. Michelle | September 25, 2010 at 11:52 am |
    Free Speech @ 11:41 am |
    “Did you see the movie, “Nixon?” Remember how terrified President Nixon was of the CIA? Multiply by a thousand and then you can imagine how terrified bo and sunstein are of the CIA right now”
    No, I never saw the movie, looks like I should
    ==========================================

    “Nixon” is a masterpiece in the study of how the US government works. Nixon was controlled CIA Director Richard Helms and FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover.

    Hoover protected Nixon. When Hoover was died, Nixon was history. Remember Nixon’s attorney general John Mitchell got convicted and imprisoned because of Watergate. Nixon would have wound up in Prison as well if he had not resigned. There are lots of parallels to President Nixon and bo.

  23. Cabby – AZ @ 12:21 pm | I’m not sophisticated enough to know who is an obot and who is not, suffice it to say they know who they are-as Americans let their conscience by their guide. I defend our Constitutional Republic and all who stand with her, to me an Obot is a person who defends Obama and his trashing of the Constitution, breaking of laws, and barbaric behavior in general.

  24. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    to DEAN M -

    I am very sorry to have put you in harm’s way. In people’s eagerness to gun me down, it looks like they took a few gratuitous hits on you also. Sorry indeed to have deflected the Ankle Biters onto you.

    I have noticed a strange shift in logic lately – it used to be that I was called an Obot by certain people because of what I said, particularly as it punctured certain fairy tales – but now it seems more and more that anything I say is deemed to be Sunstein talking points, simply because of who said it.

    In retrospect I see that I should not have written about you without staying around to “focus” the responses. As usual they were mostly twisted versions that were set up for themselves to tilt at.

    I will not speak for you – but I will address for myself the insane arguments that seemed to occupy the midnight crowd.

    1. I never said I agreed with Dean M. I even specifically said that his theory would be hard to prove.

    2. I specifically used the word “theory” as opposed to “fact” or some other strong word. I even indicated it was one theory among many.

    3. Almost everybody who posted last night is totally clueless about how the CIA operates and who they use as agents or runners. If I remember right, Dean M has some expertise in this area and should not be so quickly disparaged. I noticed CabbyAZ was the only one who “got it” – and I don’t think she knows anything about the CIA – she just used common sense – a commodity sorely lacking around here most of the time.

    4. Malcolm X is not a critical part of the theory – it is just one possibility. Me, I don’t think MX is as pure and noble as some of you here think. But if he was, fine, leave him out. Dean M’s theory still is worthy of consideration.

    5. I can’t decide if the vehement almost violent knee jerk reaction against this theory is a) similar to the major fault of Truthers who get fixated on a single unproven explanation and explode when confronted with anything else, or b) somebody covering up for somebody else getting too close to the truth.

    6. Bottom line – the response to Dean M’s post should have been more like “oh, interesting”, or “hmmm, never thought of that”, or “I don’t know, it sounds too CT for me”, or even “naw, I just don’t believe it”. But the severe lashing out is totally inappropriate – and surely diagnostic of something.

  25. Free Speech @ 12:29 pm | Looks like I better view this movie- DC is starting to scare me, people go in somewhat “normal” and come out arrogant self-appointed elitists on the people’s dime. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you. DC is getting to be a scary from the point of any sanity kind of place, somewhat like Hitler’s bunker in the last days of the war.
    “Nixon” is a masterpiece in the study of how the US government works.”

  26. Michelle | September 25, 2010 at 11:55 am |
    Free Speech @ 11:52 am |
    “but the CIA had ABSOLUTELY ZERO interest in bo’s “report” on what he did on his Pakistani Summer vaction with his homosexual loverboy.”
    just from a statical point of view I wonder how he has escaped AIDS. No officer should have to read that report. BARF.
    =======================================

    It is entirely possible that bo is HIV positive. Remember Magic Johnson has survived being HIV positive for 20+ years.

  27. Back in the 50′s when the CIA was set up, it was a standing joke in D.C., that if you wanted to find out if someone worked for the CIA, all that you had to do was ask “Do you work for the Government?” -answer – “Yes” Then you would ask “What Dept?” and the usual answer would be “State Dept.”,”Agriculture “” etc,etc. IF THEY WORKED FOR THE CIA they would answer “The Government” IT WAS A STANDING JOKE.

  28. Michelle | September 25, 2010 at 12:30 pm |

    Thanks for your response. Let my posts concerning my disdain for what is happening to our beloved country and the serious situation we are facing as U.S. citizens be the guide as to what I am. There is at least one poster here who chooses to think otherwise.

    When I first started posting at CW’s about nine months ago, I thought these posters for the most part represented the “creme de la creme” of the people of this country’s patriotic movement. With the exception of a few good posters, now I’m not so sure. Why should anyone have to endure insults like endless name calling by someone who takes exception to anything not in agreement with his views at the moment?

  29. Michelle | September 25, 2010 at 12:35 pm |
    Free Speech @ 12:29 pm | Looks like I better view this movie- DC is starting to scare me, people go in somewhat “normal” and come out arrogant self-appointed elitists on the people’s dime. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you. DC is getting to be a scary from the point of any sanity kind of place, somewhat like Hitler’s bunker in the last days of the war.
    =============================================

    As bad as it was the adminstration of President Nixon was nothing like the Criminal Terrorist regime of bo which is very much like the hitler regime. But the good news is that bo’s regime is falling apart much faster than the Nixon Adminstration did. I have full confidence if we Patriots do our part that bo and his co-conspirators will quickly be indicted, convicted and imprisoned.

    Dr. Sam Sewell: “I think CGJ is the quickest, most effective, and most practical way to clean up government corruption. I have yet to see a viable argument against that premise.”

    Justice Antonin Scalia: “…In fact, the whole theory of its (the Grand Jury) function is that it belongs to no branch of the institutional Government, serving as a kind of buffer or referee between the Government and the people.

    Justice Lewis Powell ruled:“ Such an (Grand Jury) investigation may be triggered by tips, rumors… or the personal knowledge of the grand jurors.”

    Mark Levin: “The possibility of impeachment does not immunize the president from criminal prosecution. He remains, at all times, a citizen of the United States who is answerable to the law.”

    Abraham Lincoln: “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.”

  30. Cabby – AZ | September 25, 2010 at 12:51 pm |
    And Michelle.

    ________________________________________________

    UNFORTUNATELY – EXTREME FRUSTRATION IS CATCHING UP WITH US. WE MUST KEEP THE FAITH.

  31. http://www.2theadvocate.com/news/latest/103769104.html?showAll=y&c=y

    “We continue to fight this oil every day, but often it seems the more we pick up, the more there is,” Nungesser said.

    Gregory Stone, director of the Coastal Studies Institute at LSU’s School of the Coast and Environment, said Friday he is not surprised at the amount of oil being found in Plaquemines and St. Bernard parishes.

    Stone and his research group use a series of sensors and other instruments to measure currents and wave action from the water’s surface to the floor of the Gulf of Mexico.

    Since the beginning of the BP oil leak in April, Stone said he has been tracking the oil.

    After the federal government released a report more than a month ago saying 75 percent of the 4.1 million barrels of oil from BP’s leak was gone, Stone said he decided to take a closer look at where the oil went.

    He sent scuba divers from his research team into the waters off of St. Bernard and Plaquemines parishes.

    “The divers said there was oil everywhere,” Stone said.

  32. http://www.mysuncoast.com/Global/story.asp?S=13215804

    ST. PETERSBURG – While the BP oil well in the Gulf of Mexico is officially killed, the effects of the disaster are still on the minds of some concerned citizens who are willing to pay for their own laboratory tests to make sure the oil is not on our beaches.

    Suncoast emergency management officials have said from the beginning of the oil spill that area beaches are clean and safe. But one group of citizens wanted to test the waters and beaches themselves, sending samples to a lab. The results just came back, and they say it shows toxic levels of oil found in the sand on Siesta Key.

    St. Petersburg medical assistant Allison Hendricks’ job is to help people. And when some of her patients, friends…even herself started to feel strange symptoms, she thought it could be coming from the water. “Nausea all the time, headaches all the time that they didn’t have before, they’re real tired…and I just thought it was necessary to take measures into my own hands. So I started doing my own sampling.”

  33. ms. helga | September 25, 2010 at 1:07 pm |
    Thank you, Ms. Helga. I enjoy reading your comments. ( which often appear in the morning hours – earlier than when I go on-line because of the time difference) Keep ‘em comin’!

  34. CW…Have you talked to Larry Sinclair lately? his phone number has been disconnected….Has anyone heard from him lately????

  35. Dean M – you were the first individual to suggest Obama was CIA. You’ll recall many of us former TexasDarlin posters challenged this idea when you first raised it.

    In August 2010, Investigative Journalist, Wayne Madsen ran a five part series called Obama: All in the company. It details his immediate families involvement in the CIA. Obama was raised in the CIA. If you read any of the geneology studies written about the Dunham’s you will learn of one theory which espouses that none of the Dunham’s were from America and that they may have all been a part of Germany’s SS and came here to infiltrate and conduct sabotage on America’s Air Force during WWII.

    Here’s a clip from Madsen’s report –

    WMR has discovered CIA files that document the agency’s connections to institutions and individuals figuring prominently in the lives of Barack Obama and his mother, father, grandmother, and stepfather.

    President Obama’s own work in 1983 for Business International Corporation, a CIA front that conducted seminars with the world’s most powerful leaders and used journalists as agents abroad, dovetails with CIA espionage activities conducted by his mother, Stanley Ann Dunham in 1960s post-coup Indonesia on behalf of a number of CIA front operations, including the East-West Center at the University of Hawaii, the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID), and the Ford Foundation. Dunham met and married Lolo Soetoro, Obama’s stepfather, at the East-West Center in 1965. Soetoro was recalled to Indonesia in 1965 to serve as a senior army officer and assist General Suharto and the CIA in the bloody overthrow of President Sukarno.

    Barack Obama, Sr., who met Dunham in 1959 in a Russian language class at the University of Hawaii, had been part of what was described as an airlift of 280 East African students to the United States to attend various colleges — merely “aided” by a grant from the Joseph P. Kennedy Foundation, according to a September 12, 1960, Reuters report from London. The airlift was a CIA operation to train and indoctrinate future agents of influence in Africa, which was becoming a battleground between the United States and the Soviet Union and China for influence among newly-independent and soon-to-be independent countries on the continent.

    To read the full five (5) part series start here – http://www.opinion-maker.org/2010/08/obama-all-in-the-company-part-i/

  36. And for those of you who wish to read Mr. Coates testimony before the USCCR click here http://www.usccr.gov/NBPH/TestimonyChristopherCoates_09-24-10.pdf

  37. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Prairie | September 25, 2010 at 12:49 am |

    LOL. I expected more of a challenge. Helps that I have truth on my side. I will respond tomorrow.

    =====================================

    This is no laughing matter. I take this kind of hateful slander of a broad swath of a people to be unacceptable and unworthy of polite discussion.

    You have no “truth” – i.e. answers – you only have questions. I know all the questions. Please do not repeat them. Part of my point is that it takes a basis of hate to immediately turn this questions into answers.

    Please do not waste CW blog space posting this trash. You asked about what you posted that had triggered people’s “hate radar” – so I told you. The point was that as long as you stay on non-hateful subjects that promote the dialog here and purpose of this blog, then nobody is going to dump on you (well, except maybe FS). But the last I knew, this is not a Truther blog. And I think even the “fringe elements” here would agree with that.

    So, since Helen seems to be the most frequent and vocal commenter here that likes to wallow in that stuff, maybe you should reserve those kinds of discussion for HER blog.

  38. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    I am not a Jew nor have any even indirect cultural ties to Judaism – except through something we should all cherish – the Judeo-Christian ethic – you know, the one this nation was founded on.

    While any one person, or even a group of them, can be misguided or twisted, that is not a broad indictment of the lot of them. You need to look from top down – look at the foundational documents. Jews – righteous, Muslims – unrighteous. Not personally, but culturally, and foundationally. And then it becomes personal as each individual accepts and worships the Group Creed.

    But for those who insist in singling out a particular slice or branch of Judaism as being somehow particularly offbase or misled, you need look no farther than this. For Chrissake, these people love Obama, and now look:

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/sep/24/soros-funder-liberal-jewish-american-lobby/

  39. Michelle | September 25, 2010 at 12:30 pm |
    Cabby – AZ @ 12:21 pm | I’m not sophisticated enough to know who is an obot and who is not, suffice it to say they know who they are.

    ===========================================

    We have irrefutable evidence that both cabby and citizen carlyle/bo are sunstein/bo obot/psyops. However, you don’t need sophisticated internet surveillance to identify sunstein/bo psyops.

    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/05/exposing-obamas-psyops-agents-and.html

  40. Prairie | September 25, 2010 at 12:49 am |

    LOL. I expected more of a challenge. Helps that I have truth on my side. I will respond tomorrow.
    ===============================================

    AMEN!

    The Truth is your greatest strength the sunstein/bo obot/pysops like cabby and citizen carlyle have no defense to the Truth. Notice I so easily confound the sunstein/bo obot/pysops cabby and citizen carlyle with the Truth.

  41. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    CabbyAZ – I am SOOO sorry – it now appears like you are collateral damage by the simple act of standing next to me. I don’t mind being a lightning rod, but I weep for innocent people who get caught in the crossfire.

    I also find it quite interesting that someone can have “irrefutable evidence” that the sky is green. I wonder how long CW will let this continue – arguments among contestants is one thing, but collateral damage is quite another.

    On the other hand, as long as no one complains, perhaps he will let it continue.

  42. FS – I read the article about Siesta Key and this citizen initiative of testing the water and sand.

    What should concern everyone is the fact that the Greater Tampa Bay hosts the largest Desalinization plant in America. This means their drinking water comes from the Gulf and is treated through the desal process. I doubt seriously they have the technology retrofitted to remove the toxins such as corexit in this process.

    We need to remain vigilant b/c if your graphic on the projected flow of the oil is correct it will be bending the corner soon and Sam being in Naples will likely be affected.

    Thanks for all you are doing to keep this growing tragedy in front of everyone.

    PS Many complain of CWs repititive postings here. I might suggest to you his posts are not intended for you but the lurkers and newbies.

  43. Cabby – AZ, Helen, Citizen Carlyle & Citizen Wells
    ============================
    I appreciate the conversation and your considerate remarks on the theory I proposed. I share it because I believe it deserves further attention. Whose attention? Regular Americans like us.

    As you rightly pointed out, Citizen Carlyle, the Malcolm X part is incidental to the main idea. The reason I began to entertain the MX idea was an article at Israel Insider that clued me into the fact that it was being seriously considered by Israeli Intel–if you read between the lines in the article. From there I went to other sources which made the idea seem possible and worthy of consideration .

    And thank you also, Citizen Carlyle, for standing up for us Jews. May the Holy One bless and keep you for that. (Another way you are in the tradition of William F. Buckley!) I am out of sync with most of my fellow Jews, as explained in Norman Podhoretz’s book, WHY ARE JEWS LIBERAL? With Norman I still accept the Torah of Moses over the Torah of Liberalism.

    Helen, thank you for sharing the article on Obama and the CIA. I was unaware of that particular piece of journalism. (A bunch of us go back to Texas Darlin’. Apparently her site is back up, but nothing like it was.)

    On my gratitude list is Citizen Wells–thanks for continuing this forum and all the hard work must entail!

    As for the idea that the CIA wouldn’t try to recruit “a young 19-year old punk,” it tried to recruit me in Vietnam at the close of my tour there in 1972 (from this you can see I am in the age category denoted as “senior.”) I was a couple years older than 19 then, but not much. I said “no thank you.” Getting college credit for your work with the Company as well as opportunity to travel and do exciting things is a great enticement for some of us. And some of us very young people who had language skills were taken and trained for languages and sent abroad to do the most amazing things. I was working for NSA in the Army Security Agency at the time.

    I excuse those who can’t fathom Obama as having worked for the CIA as having watched too many spy movies and having an overblown idea about how the CIA works on the one hand, and completely underestimating Obama on the other hand.

    It is a grave mistake to underestimate your enemy. That is how Obama is able to stay two steps ahead of everyone. He is only human, but when we think he is being stupid, more than likely that is the impression he wants us to have. I even believe he wants the Democrats to lose big in the upcoming election. That will create a greater adversarial relationship with Congress which will play into his scheme. Think about it. The new scapegoat will be a Republican dominated Congress, rather than the former President Bush! For what he is truly aiming at, that will help him more than harm him.

  44. FS – I read the article about Siesta Key and this citizen initiative of testing the water and sand.

    What should concern everyone is the fact that the Greater Tampa Bay hosts the largest Desalinization plant in America.

    http://www.tampabay.com/news/environment/water/article984409.ece
    ===============================================
    This is very troubling.

  45. Citizen Carlyle 2:40 PM
    Thank you, but no apology is needed. The truth is, Free Speech cannot stand one word of admonition or criticism. It didn’t used to be so acute but has now reached unbelievable limits.

    For all those who placate him , “play up” and give him comfort, you are just perpetuating this type of unacceptable behavior. Perhaps, you should think seriously about the unintended consequences. Otherwise, we should just consider this Free Speech’s blog, because he is the one who passes judgment on any and, at times, every poster who dares to make a statement that he might not agree on. Otherwise, there will be others join those who have already left. Just maybe that is what he wants?

  46. On the other hand, as long as no one complains, perhaps he will let it continue.

  47. Yes, FS, it is extremely disturbing.

    I have family living in Tampa and have begged her to move East with us, but b/c she isn’t hearing anything on the radio about illnesses etc she doesn’t believe any of this tragedy will affect her. Well, she drinks desal water, showers in desal water and her dishes, pots and pans are all washed in desal water.

    Has scared me since first learning about the corexit and the enormity of the spill.

  48. Dean M. | September 25, 2010 at 2:48 pm |
    Cabby – AZ, Helen, Citizen Carlyle & Citizen Wells
    ============================
    I appreciate the conversation and your considerate remarks on the theory I proposed. I share it because I believe it deserves further attention. Whose attention? Regular Americans like us.
    **************************************
    We want to express gratitude to you, also, for sharing your opinions in such a logical, meaningful, and respectful way. Isn’t that what we like to do here?
    That is, bat things back and forth without getting all emotional and out-of-joint? You help us set a proper pace and perspective.

  49. I went to L. Sinclair’s website, he posted the site will be shut down today and that all email addresses associated with the site will be deleted. He had a video included….I didn’t view it all, but it appears to be a glimpse into his life….the ending is a bit disturbing…I pray he is ok

    http://larrysinclair.com/

  50. ← Christopher Coates Cspan video, September 24, 2010, Morning testimony, Coates echoes Adams story
    Christopher Coates exposes Julie Fernandez Deputy Assistant Attorney General, Coates corroborates J Christian Adams, Citizen Wells open thread, September 25, 2010
    Posted on September 25, 2010 by citizenwells| 47 Comments
    Christopher Coates exposes Julie Fernandez Deputy Assistant Attorney General, Coates corroborates J Christian Adams

    Apparently Julie Fernandez, Deputy Assistant Attorney General, is a real piece of work. One might say she is the poster child for the far left and their creed that the end justifies the means. Yesterday in testimony, Christopher Coates, former head of the Justice Department’s Civil Right’s Voting Division, corroborated the statements made earlier by J Christian Adams when he resigned from the US Justice Dept.
    http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/295638-1

    More on Julie Fernandez

    “J Christian Adams, a former attorney in the Civil Rights Division of the US Justice Department, testified Tuesday, July 6, 2010, before the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights. Adams is interviewed afterwards on FOX News by Megyn Kelly.
    Adams alleges that the Justice Dept ignores voter fraud and states that a mandate came from Deputy Assistant Attorney General Julie Fernandez.”

    “Meanwhile, the forced dismissal of the New Black Panther case turned out to be just the beginning of the misery heaped on Coates. According to multiple sources at Justice, King and the political appointees who came in soon after Obama’s inauguration — particularly Julie Fernandez, an ideological firebrand and former lawyer for the Leadership Conference for Civil Rights — put severe restrictions on Coates almost as soon as they arrived and began micromanaging all of his work. The new political apparatchiks stripped Coates of virtually all discretionary authority, delegated responsibility for most decisions to more “results-oriented” underlings in the Voting Section, and rendered him a virtual figurehead.”

    Read more:

    http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2010/07/07/j-christian-adams-testimony-us-commission-on-civil-rights-julie-fernandez-fox-news-interview-us-justice-dept-corruption-voter-registration-not-enforced-megyn-kelly-interview-part-2/

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    Free Speech | September 25, 2010 at 10:37 am |
    Free Speech | September 25, 2010 at 10:03 am |
    Bankroller, excellent analysis. However, I do not think bo has a legitimate SSN. It is reported that bo and mo have multiple SSN and we have overwhelming evidence that bo and his co-conspirators have committed identity theft in conjunction with vote fraud in Nashville and many other locations.

    For information on Crimes committed by the BHO regime:

    http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/category/nashville

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    Bankroller | September 25, 2010 at 2:01 am |
    FWIW, here’s a few more random thoughts on tonight’s favorite topic:

    1. Gaining entry into Pakistan in 1981 on an Indonesian passport was not a problem.

    2. The CT SSN could be explained if BHO was granted “Indonesian Refugee Status” upon his re-entry into Hawaii circa 1969. Barry’s grandmother assumed his guardianship and probably requested Aid for Families with Dependent Children (AFDC).

    In 1975, the Federal law was amended and required all recipients of AFDC administered through the various states to obtain a SSN through the Social Security Administration.

    As an Indonesian National refugee, Barry’s American Resettlement Organization (ARO), located in Connecticut, used his I-94 to apply to SSA on Barack’s behalf for a SSN. Thus, the reason Barack’s SSN begins with 042, the three digits indicating a CT return address.

    3. The recently released SAD passport documents clearly show the name “Barack Hussein Obama (Soebarkah)” crossed from her passport renewal application dated Aug. 13, 1968. This is a CRITICAL error by his handlers since the instructions in fine print dictate that the crossed out name indicates that person renounced US citizenship and should be removed from the renewed passport.

    4. I believe that after the Soetoro adoption was anulled circa 1971, Barack Hussein Obama II was issued the COLB by the Hawaii DoH through a Court Order. But his citizenship remained as an Indonesian National. As an Indonesian National and Permanent Resident of the United States, Obama eventually qualified to naturalize as a US Citizen. But we have no proof that he actually was naturalized. . . yet. . .

    But we all know that a NATURALIZED CITIZEN does NOT qualify as a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN. The only thing that can change this fact is if he has a different father, but even then his Indonesian National status clouds the issue.

    Furthermore, on top of the facts that we currently know, he still could have been born in Kenya. . . and I believe this could well be the reason that the SAD passport records from 1960-64 were not released.

    Free Speech | September 25, 2010 at 10:39 am |
    Free Speech | September 25, 2010 at 10:32 am |
    Bankroller | September 25, 2010 at 1:02 am |
    Dean M. @ 11:05 P.M.: Its an interesting theory, and I appreciate your perspectives on this issue. . . but to give the theory any credence we would need to see solid evidence that Malcolm X was in Hawaii in late 1960. . . or a young 18 year old SAD crossed his path in some other fashion during that timeframe.

    I also find it difficult to believe that CIA would be sending a potentially unreliable 19 year old punk kid on critical missions to Pakistan in 1981. . .
    ================================================

    U R absolutely correct, Bankroller. Notice this CIA BS is now being hyped by the known obot cabby. I agree the CIA would not send an ” unreliable 19 year old punk kid ” on critical missions to Pakistan, especially an “unreliable 19 year old punk kid” who was going to Pakistan only for a 3 week homosexual fling with his homosexual Pakistani loverboy by whom he was kept at Occidental College.

    Free Speech | September 25, 2010 at 10:49 am |
    Bankroller | September 25, 2010 at 1:02 am |
    Dean M. @ 11:05 P.M.: Its an interesting theory, and I appreciate your perspectives on this issue. . . but to give the theory any credence we would need to see solid evidence that Malcolm X was in Hawaii in late 1960. . . or a young 18 year old SAD crossed his path in some other fashion during that timeframe.
    =========================================

    The fairy tale that bo is Malcolm X’s illegitimate son is absolutely preposterous. The primary reason that X was murdered by the bo cohort followers of elijah muhammed is because X was critical of elijah muhamed for having sex with young NOI women and girls. X would not have had anything to do with white trash like stanley ann. It is possible that Frank was bo’s biological father because we know he raped stanley ann before he raped bo.

    http://www.includipedia.com/wiki/Elijah_Muhammad

    Assassination of Malcolm X

    The rift between Elijah Muhammad and Malcolm X was largely due to Malcolm’s discovery regarding rumors that Elijah Muhammad was having sex with various young NOI women and girls working for him, and that he had fathered their children.[4][5] Elijah Muhammad’s son, the girls, and eventually Elijah Muhammad himself confirmed to Malcolm that the rumors were true.[4][5] Malcolm felt compelled to make this known to the congregation, and to the public. A year later, he was forced out of NOI for the release of this damaging information, famously stating that “I am most probably dead already.” His action was not forgotten by the NOI. There is controversy as to whether Elijah Muhammad ordered Malcolm X’s assassination, or whether he stood by while promoting it.

    ===================================================

    Also bo cohort Louis Farakhan was implicated in X’s murder.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2000/05/10/60minutes/main194051.shtml

    Farrakhan Admission On Malcolm X

    (CBS) Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan admits in a 60 Minutes interview broadcast Sunday and reported on Wednesday’s CBS Evening News that his incendiary rhetoric played a role in the 1965 assassination of civil rights leader Malcolm X.

    Farrakhan makes the statements to Malcolm X’s daughter, Atallah Shabazz, and 60 Minutes Correspondent Mike Wallace.

    “I may have been complicit in words that I spoke leading up to February 21 [1965],” Farrakhan tells Shabazz and Wallace. “I acknowledge that and regret that any word that I have said caused the loss of life of a human being.”

    Shabazz later issued a statement thanking Farrakhan for acknowledging his role and said: “I wish him peace.” However, she did not forgive him.

    Michelle | September 25, 2010 at 11:05 am |
    Free Speech @ 10:32 am | From prior post
    Your statements make the most sense. Due to the fact that I worked at various companies near O’Hare I met thru work guys who worked for : Federal Marshals Service, Dept of Treasury, FBI, G-men, T-men, etc.-Obama is no where near like these guys-super straight arrows. I’m well behaved (at least most of the time-I do try) but these guys are really, really straight. Obama is really an insult to be put in the same category as this fine group.
    U R absolutely correct, Bankroller. Notice this CIA BS is now being hyped by the known obot cabby. I agree the CIA would not send an ” unreliable 19 year old punk kid ” on critical missions to Pakistan, especially an “unreliable 19 year old punk kid” who was going to Pakistan only for a 3 week homosexual fling with his homosexual Pakistani loverboy by whom he was kept at Occidental College.

    Free Speech | September 25, 2010 at 11:12 am |
    Michelle | September 25, 2010 at 10:47 am |
    For anyone attacked by the Obama admin, and/or Obots
    http://hillbuzz.org/2010/09/25/convicted-felon-and-obama-operative-david-popcorn-kernell-update-conviction-stands-first-appeal-denied-sentencing-october-29th-2010/

    David “Popcorn” Kernell’s appeal has been denied, with a judge ruling this week that his felony conviction for destroyed evidence and impeding an FBI investigation should stand.

    His sentencing is scheduled for October 29th, where he’s expected to get between 15-21 months in prison for his crimes against Governor Palin.
    In 2008, Kernell, an Obama operative in Tennessee, broke into Governor Palin’s email account, gave access to her emails to the public via a website, and then tried to delete all evidence from his computer once he realized the FBI was coming for him.

    Kernell is the son of disgraced Tennessee state Representative Mike Kernell, a fellow Obama operative who taught his son to do absolutely anything to make sure Obama was elected.

    ===============================================

    “popcorn” is about to pop on bo co-conspirators from Memphis to Nashville to Knoxville. kernell knows all the bo cohorts who have committed identity theft and vote fraud across him. Many of them like him are demRat delinquent sons of demRat criminals in Tennessee.

    For information on Crimes committed by the BHO regime:

    http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/category/nashville

    For information on forming a Secret Grand Jury to investigate crimes go here:

    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/06/how-to-start-and-lead-citizens-grand.html

    ms. helga | September 25, 2010 at 11:13 am |
    Did anyone catch Sean Hannity last night mentioning Bobby Jindal, the Governor of Louisiana, as a possible Republican Presidential Cantidate. This is the 2nd time I have heard him mention this.
    My question is this -

    1 . Doesn’t he know that Jindal’s parents were not born in the U.S.A.?

    2 . He knows Jindal’s parents make him illegal and he is trying to start a stir.

    3 . Is he stupid and doesn’t know the NBC requirement?

    4 . Is he checking to see if anyone is watching his show?

    5 . Is it all of the above?

    Michelle | September 25, 2010 at 11:15 am |
    Free Speech @ 11:12 am | Can you imagine an experienced interrogator up against this “kid”-just the slightest pressure and he will be singing like a canary. His father what a jerk involving this kid in this insanity-corruption into the next generation.
    “popcorn” is about to pop on bo co-conspirators from Memphis to Nashville to Knoxville. kernell knows all the bo cohorts who have committed identity theft and vote fraud across him

    Michelle | September 25, 2010 at 11:16 am |
    ms. helga @ 11:13 am | Maybe they’re are just that stupid.

    Pete | September 25, 2010 at 11:36 am |
    >>>ms. helga | September 25, 2010 at 9:32 am |
    Pete – You are right on until the last line – We have a NON-government within our government!<>>>FreeSpeach
    U R absolutely correct, Bankroller. Notice this CIA BS is now being hyped by the known obot cabby. I agree the CIA would not send an ” unreliable 19 year old punk kid ” on critical missions to Pakistan, especially an “unreliable 19 year old punk kid” who was going to Pakistan only for a 3 week homosexual fling with his homosexual Pakistani loverboy by whom he was kept at Occidental College.<<
    >>>FreeSpeach
    U R absolutely correct, Bankroller. Notice this CIA BS is now being hyped by the known obot cabby. I agree the CIA would not send an ” unreliable 19 year old punk kid ” on critical missions to Pakistan, especially an “unreliable 19 year old punk kid” who was going to Pakistan only for a 3 week homosexual fling with his homosexual Pakistani loverboy by whom he was kept at Occidental College.<<<

    I have never said that Obama was sent to Pakistan by the CIA…but I don't believe that the CIA would send a 19yo on a sensitive mission, but they wouldn't turn down the potential contacts or intelligence either.
    Pete
    =============================================

    Sorry Pete,

    but the CIA had ABSOLUTELY ZERO interest in bo's "report" on what he did on his Pakistani Summer vaction with his homosexual loverboy.

    Michelle | September 25, 2010 at 11:52 am |
    Free Speech @ 11:41 am |
    “Did you see the movie, “Nixon?” Remember how terrified President Nixon was of the CIA? Multiply by a thousand and then you can imagine how terrified bo and sunstein are of the CIA right now”
    No, I never saw the movie, looks like I should, but I do like the balance of power factor, and if I were our President-I would want to have balance of power on me-that’s how dangerous I think power is. It can really corrupt a person, and I wouldn’t want total unfettered power. I liked George Washington’s view of power put it in the hands of WE THE PEOPLE, my job is being President, Congress you fulfill your role, Judiciary-you fulfill yours-and things should balance either other out. We are now seeing the worst abuses to our system, but viewing the worst, we now know what to FIX.

    Michelle | September 25, 2010 at 11:55 am |
    Free Speech @ 11:52 am |
    “but the CIA had ABSOLUTELY ZERO interest in bo’s “report” on what he did on his Pakistani Summer vaction with his homosexual loverboy.”
    just from a statical point of view I wonder how he has escaped AIDS. No officer should have to read that report. BARF.

    Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) | September 25, 2010 at 12:02 pm |
    Have you all seen this. Apparently a Pro-Islam “somebody” has apparently been paving the way for a Muslim Obamessiah for a number of years.

    Texas warns book publishers: ‘No more white-washing Islam’

    You WON’T BELIEVE YOUR EYES as to what they been teaching our kids. Or why this warning was even necessary in the first place.

    This incredible EVIL has been building right in front of our eyes. Even if you are not religious, this is Cultural Relativism running TOTALLY OUT OF CONTROL!

    Folks, we have been SERIOUSLY ASLEEP AT THE WHEEL, to not have spoken up before now. I think we are all too fat, dumb, and happy!

    But they need to take the next step -
    ISLAM IS NOT EVEN A RELIGION.

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=207577

    Free Speech | September 25, 2010 at 12:12 pm |
    Michelle | September 25, 2010 at 11:15 am |
    Free Speech @ 11:12 am | Can you imagine an experienced interrogator up against this “kid”-just the slightest pressure and he will be singing like a canary. His father what a jerk involving this kid in this insanity-corruption into the next generation.

    ==============================================
    There was a tremendous amount of evidence gleaned from his computers and cell phone that connected him to demRat co-conspirators from Knoxville to Nashville to Memphis. Of course, in TN all roads lead to Nashville. That is where bo cohorts algore, gov phil bredesen, mayor karl dean, judge tommie brothers, DA torry johnson, and the cheeks are.

    Considering all the criminal information already gotten, popcorn’s testimony against the bo co-conspirators will just be gravvy.

    Michelle | September 25, 2010 at 12:14 pm |
    I found Coates testimony riveting, in the 2 1/2 hour testimony I lost count of all of the laws that were broken, a couple of hundred at least.
    http://www.repubx.com/” an impeachable offense.”
    A second career civil rights lawyer ripped a hole in the Obama administration’s lies about the Black Panther voter intimidation case this morning. Christopher Coates, who headed the Voting Rights division of the Justice Department, said the administration’s decision to throw out the case was “a travesty of justice” that reflected the “anger” of the president’s appointees and their “deep-seated opposition to the equal enforcement of the” law “for the protection of white voters.” This second witness contradicts the testimony of administration officials and calls into question whether the president has ordered the Department of Justice to deny equal justice to a whole segment of American citizens, an impeachable offense.
    (Read Coates’ full testimony here.)

    ms. helga | September 25, 2010 at 12:17 pm |
    Don’t you all remember this ?

    BO = Barrack Obama
    CIA = Central Intelligence Agency
    BO + CIA = BOCIA
    BOCIA = BOCIA (Italian for “The Kid”

    frank | September 25, 2010 at 12:18 pm |
    After listening to obama’s racist rants, it’s obvious that it’s payback time. The white “crackers” must now pay for the sins of their forefathers, which is “corruption of blood” prohibited by the Constitution.

    But who cares what the Constitution says when you have a strong enough majority? The only ones protesting are the helpless minority who cannot do anything about it.

    Cabby – AZ | September 25, 2010 at 12:21 pm |
    Michelle | September 25, 2010 at 11:05 am |
    Free Speech @ 10:32 am | From prior post
    Your statements make the most sense. Due to the fact that I worked at various companies near O’Hare I met thru work guys who worked for : Federal Marshals Service, Dept of Treasury, FBI, G-men, T-men, etc.-Obama is no where near like these guys-super straight arrows. I’m well behaved (at least most of the time-I do try) but these guys are really, really straight. Obama is really an insult to be put in the same category as this fine group.
    U R absolutely correct, Bankroller. Notice this CIA BS is now being hyped by the known obot cabby. I agree the CIA would not send an ” unreliable 19 year old punk kid ” on critical missions to Pakistan, especially an “unreliable 19 year old punk kid” who was going to Pakistan only for a 3 week homosexual fling with his homosexual Pakistani loverboy by whom he was kept at Occidental College.
    ********************************
    Michelle, Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! Look at your above post! You rightly give your own comments in the first paragraph and then immediately launch into a quote of Free Speech’s post from the prior thread in which he again maligns me – calling me an obot – simply for possibly having an opinion that might disagree with his. He is entitled to his opinion and you to yours. I respect those opinions but don’t call other posters nasty names.
    QUERY: Are you calling me an “obot”?

    I await your answer.

    HonorFirst | September 25, 2010 at 12:27 pm |
    Last night, I surfed the tv programming and never saw any of the “other” networks reporting on the Christopher Coates testimony. I am glad that you are covering the rest of this story CW. To me, aside from the obvious, this case shows the O administration blatantly ignoring Section 8 of the National Voter Registration Act. Mr. Coates explicitly discusses the potential for fraud in the 2010 election. How this current administration will NOT enforce the List Maintenance provision of that Act. He stated that at least 8 states have not complied with this rule and they are heavily populated with “democrat” voters. I think this point must be hammered home and go viral . With all the fraudulent activities of Acorn, and now our Justice Department’s willful attempt in allowing more potential
    fraud in the upcoming election, we can never be assured of a legitimate voting process. This is a National Disgrace!

    On another subject….from the prior topic…(discussions on MalcomX)
    I remember when that subject hit the net several years ago. If my memory is correct, in the later part of 1960, Malcom X WAS in Washington State for some kind of “radical” gathering. It is possible that SAD (being the free spirit that she was) could have attended. So there was that possibility that she could have been “exposed”. I never bought into the story, so I never tried to corroborate the facts.

    Free Speech | September 25, 2010 at 12:29 pm |
    Michelle | September 25, 2010 at 11:52 am |
    Free Speech @ 11:41 am |
    “Did you see the movie, “Nixon?” Remember how terrified President Nixon was of the CIA? Multiply by a thousand and then you can imagine how terrified bo and sunstein are of the CIA right now”
    No, I never saw the movie, looks like I should
    ==========================================

    “Nixon” is a masterpiece in the study of how the US government works. Nixon was controlled CIA Director Richard Helms and FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover.

    Hoover protected Nixon. When Hoover was died, Nixon was history. Remember Nixon’s attorney general John Mitchell got convicted and imprisoned because of Watergate. Nixon would have wound up in Prison as well if he had not resigned. There are lots of parallels to President Nixon and bo.

    Michelle | September 25, 2010 at 12:30 pm |
    Cabby – AZ @ 12:21 pm | I’m not sophisticated enough to know who is an obot and who is not, suffice it to say they know who they are-as Americans let their conscience by their guide. I defend our Constitutional Republic and all who stand with her, to me an Obot is a person who defends Obama and his trashing of the Constitution, breaking of laws, and barbaric behavior in general.

    Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) | September 25, 2010 at 12:33 pm |
    to DEAN M -

    I am very sorry to have put you in harm’s way. In people’s eagerness to gun me down, it looks like they took a few gratuitous hits on you also. Sorry indeed to have deflected the Ankle Biters onto you.

    I have noticed a strange shift in logic lately – it used to be that I was called an Obot by certain people because of what I said, particularly as it punctured certain fairy tales – but now it seems more and more that anything I say is deemed to be Sunstein talking points, simply because of who said it.

    In retrospect I see that I should not have written about you without staying around to “focus” the responses. As usual they were mostly twisted versions that were set up for themselves to tilt at.

    I will not speak for you – but I will address for myself the insane arguments that seemed to occupy the midnight crowd.

    1. I never said I agreed with Dean M. I even specifically said that his theory would be hard to prove.

    2. I specifically used the word “theory” as opposed to “fact” or some other strong word. I even indicated it was one theory among many.

    3. Almost everybody who posted last night is totally clueless about how the CIA operates and who they use as agents or runners. If I remember right, Dean M has some expertise in this area and should not be so quickly disparaged. I noticed CabbyAZ was the only one who “got it” – and I don’t think she knows anything about the CIA – she just used common sense – a commodity sorely lacking around here most of the time.

    4. Malcolm X is not a critical part of the theory – it is just one possibility. Me, I don’t think MX is as pure and noble as some of you here think. But if he was, fine, leave him out. Dean M’s theory still is worthy of consideration.

    5. I can’t decide if the vehement almost violent knee jerk reaction against this theory is a) similar to the major fault of Truthers who get fixated on a single unproven explanation and explode when confronted with anything else, or b) somebody covering up for somebody else getting too close to the truth.

    6. Bottom line – the response to Dean M’s post should have been more like “oh, interesting”, or “hmmm, never thought of that”, or “I don’t know, it sounds too CT for me”, or even “naw, I just don’t believe it”. But the severe lashing out is totally inappropriate – and surely diagnostic of something.

    Michelle | September 25, 2010 at 12:35 pm |
    Free Speech @ 12:29 pm | Looks like I better view this movie- DC is starting to scare me, people go in somewhat “normal” and come out arrogant self-appointed elitists on the people’s dime. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you. DC is getting to be a scary from the point of any sanity kind of place, somewhat like Hitler’s bunker in the last days of the war.
    “Nixon” is a masterpiece in the study of how the US government works.”

    Free Speech | September 25, 2010 at 12:38 pm |
    Michelle | September 25, 2010 at 11:55 am |
    Free Speech @ 11:52 am |
    “but the CIA had ABSOLUTELY ZERO interest in bo’s “report” on what he did on his Pakistani Summer vaction with his homosexual loverboy.”
    just from a statical point of view I wonder how he has escaped AIDS. No officer should have to read that report. BARF.
    =======================================

    It is entirely possible that bo is HIV positive. Remember Magic Johnson has survived being HIV positive for 20+ years.

    ms. helga | September 25, 2010 at 12:40 pm |
    Back in the 50′s when the CIA was set up, it was a standing joke in D.C., that if you wanted to find out if someone worked for the CIA, all that you had to do was ask “Do you work for the Government?” -answer – “Yes” Then you would ask “What Dept?” and the usual answer would be “State Dept.”,”Agriculture “” etc,etc. IF THEY WORKED FOR THE CIA they would answer “The Government” IT WAS A STANDING JOKE.

    Cabby – AZ | September 25, 2010 at 12:51 pm |
    Michelle | September 25, 2010 at 12:30 pm |

    Thanks for your response. Let my posts concerning my disdain for what is happening to our beloved country and the serious situation we are facing as U.S. citizens be the guide as to what I am. There is at least one poster here who chooses to think otherwise.

    When I first started posting at CW’s about nine months ago, I thought these posters for the most part represented the “creme de la creme” of the people of this country’s patriotic movement. With the exception of a few good posters, now I’m not so sure. Why should anyone have to endure insults like endless name calling by someone who takes exception to anything not in agreement with his views at the moment?

    Free Speech | September 25, 2010 at 1:03 pm |
    Michelle | September 25, 2010 at 12:35 pm |
    Free Speech @ 12:29 pm | Looks like I better view this movie- DC is starting to scare me, people go in somewhat “normal” and come out arrogant self-appointed elitists on the people’s dime. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you. DC is getting to be a scary from the point of any sanity kind of place, somewhat like Hitler’s bunker in the last days of the war.
    =============================================

    As bad as it was the adminstration of President Nixon was nothing like the Criminal Terrorist regime of bo which is very much like the hitler regime. But the good news is that bo’s regime is falling apart much faster than the Nixon Adminstration did. I have full confidence if we Patriots do our part that bo and his co-conspirators will quickly be indicted, convicted and imprisoned.

    Dr. Sam Sewell: “I think CGJ is the quickest, most effective, and most practical way to clean up government corruption. I have yet to see a viable argument against that premise.”

    Justice Antonin Scalia: “…In fact, the whole theory of its (the Grand Jury) function is that it belongs to no branch of the institutional Government, serving as a kind of buffer or referee between the Government and the people.

    Justice Lewis Powell ruled:“ Such an (Grand Jury) investigation may be triggered by tips, rumors… or the personal knowledge of the grand jurors.”

    Mark Levin: “The possibility of impeachment does not immunize the president from criminal prosecution. He remains, at all times, a citizen of the United States who is answerable to the law.”

    Abraham Lincoln: “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.”

    ms. helga | September 25, 2010 at 1:07 pm |
    Cabby – AZ | September 25, 2010 at 12:51 pm |
    And Michelle.

    ________________________________________________

    UNFORTUNATELY – EXTREME FRUSTRATION IS CATCHING UP WITH US. WE MUST KEEP THE FAITH.

    Free Speech | September 25, 2010 at 1:10 pm |
    http://www.2theadvocate.com/news/latest/103769104.html?showAll=y&c=y

    “We continue to fight this oil every day, but often it seems the more we pick up, the more there is,” Nungesser said.

    Gregory Stone, director of the Coastal Studies Institute at LSU’s School of the Coast and Environment, said Friday he is not surprised at the amount of oil being found in Plaquemines and St. Bernard parishes.

    Stone and his research group use a series of sensors and other instruments to measure currents and wave action from the water’s surface to the floor of the Gulf of Mexico.

    Since the beginning of the BP oil leak in April, Stone said he has been tracking the oil.

    After the federal government released a report more than a month ago saying 75 percent of the 4.1 million barrels of oil from BP’s leak was gone, Stone said he decided to take a closer look at where the oil went.

    He sent scuba divers from his research team into the waters off of St. Bernard and Plaquemines parishes.

    “The divers said there was oil everywhere,” Stone said.

    Free Speech | September 25, 2010 at 1:15 pm |
    http://www.mysuncoast.com/Global/story.asp?S=13215804

    ST. PETERSBURG – While the BP oil well in the Gulf of Mexico is officially killed, the effects of the disaster are still on the minds of some concerned citizens who are willing to pay for their own laboratory tests to make sure the oil is not on our beaches.

    Suncoast emergency management officials have said from the beginning of the oil spill that area beaches are clean and safe. But one group of citizens wanted to test the waters and beaches themselves, sending samples to a lab. The results just came back, and they say it shows toxic levels of oil found in the sand on Siesta Key.

    St. Petersburg medical assistant Allison Hendricks’ job is to help people. And when some of her patients, friends…even herself started to feel strange symptoms, she thought it could be coming from the water. “Nausea all the time, headaches all the time that they didn’t have before, they’re real tired…and I just thought it was necessary to take measures into my own hands. So I started doing my own sampling.”

    Cabby – AZ | September 25, 2010 at 1:18 pm |
    ms. helga | September 25, 2010 at 1:07 pm |
    Thank you, Ms. Helga. I enjoy reading your comments. ( which often appear in the morning hours – earlier than when I go on-line because of the time difference) Keep ‘em comin’!

    Margie | September 25, 2010 at 1:20 pm |
    CW…Have you talked to Larry Sinclair lately? his phone number has been disconnected….Has anyone heard from him lately????

    Helen | September 25, 2010 at 1:44 pm |
    Dean M – you were the first individual to suggest Obama was CIA. You’ll recall many of us former TexasDarlin posters challenged this idea when you first raised it.

    In August 2010, Investigative Journalist, Wayne Madsen ran a five part series called Obama: All in the company. It details his immediate families involvement in the CIA. Obama was raised in the CIA. If you read any of the geneology studies written about the Dunham’s you will learn of one theory which espouses that none of the Dunham’s were from America and that they may have all been a part of Germany’s SS and came here to infiltrate and conduct sabotage on America’s Air Force during WWII.

    Here’s a clip from Madsen’s report –

    WMR has discovered CIA files that document the agency’s connections to institutions and individuals figuring prominently in the lives of Barack Obama and his mother, father, grandmother, and stepfather.

    President Obama’s own work in 1983 for Business International Corporation, a CIA front that conducted seminars with the world’s most powerful leaders and used journalists as agents abroad, dovetails with CIA espionage activities conducted by his mother, Stanley Ann Dunham in 1960s post-coup Indonesia on behalf of a number of CIA front operations, including the East-West Center at the University of Hawaii, the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID), and the Ford Foundation. Dunham met and married Lolo Soetoro, Obama’s stepfather, at the East-West Center in 1965. Soetoro was recalled to Indonesia in 1965 to serve as a senior army officer and assist General Suharto and the CIA in the bloody overthrow of President Sukarno.

    Barack Obama, Sr., who met Dunham in 1959 in a Russian language class at the University of Hawaii, had been part of what was described as an airlift of 280 East African students to the United States to attend various colleges — merely “aided” by a grant from the Joseph P. Kennedy Foundation, according to a September 12, 1960, Reuters report from London. The airlift was a CIA operation to train and indoctrinate future agents of influence in Africa, which was becoming a battleground between the United States and the Soviet Union and China for influence among newly-independent and soon-to-be independent countries on the continent.

    To read the full five (5) part series start here – http://www.opinion-maker.org/2010/08/obama-all-in-the-company-part-i/

    Helen | September 25, 2010 at 1:48 pm |
    And for those of you who wish to read Mr. Coates testimony before the USCCR click here http://www.usccr.gov/NBPH/TestimonyChristopherCoates_09-24-10.pdf

    Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) | September 25, 2010 at 1:54 pm |
    Prairie | September 25, 2010 at 12:49 am |

    LOL. I expected more of a challenge. Helps that I have truth on my side. I will respond tomorrow.

    =====================================

    This is no laughing matter. I take this kind of hateful slander of a broad swath of a people to be unacceptable and unworthy of polite discussion.

    You have no “truth” – i.e. answers – you only have questions. I know all the questions. Please do not repeat them. Part of my point is that it takes a basis of hate to immediately turn this questions into answers.

    Please do not waste CW blog space posting this trash. You asked about what you posted that had triggered people’s “hate radar” – so I told you. The point was that as long as you stay on non-hateful subjects that promote the dialog here and purpose of this blog, then nobody is going to dump on you (well, except maybe FS). But the last I knew, this is not a Truther blog. And I think even the “fringe elements” here would agree with that.

    So, since Helen seems to be the most frequent and vocal commenter here that likes to wallow in that stuff, maybe you should reserve those kinds of discussion for HER blog.

    Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) | September 25, 2010 at 2:02 pm |
    I am not a Jew nor have any even indirect cultural ties to Judaism – except through something we should all cherish – the Judeo-Christian ethic – you know, the one this nation was founded on.

    While any one person, or even a group of them, can be misguided or twisted, that is not a broad indictment of the lot of them. You need to look from top down – look at the foundational documents. Jews – righteous, Muslims – unrighteous. Not personally, but culturally, and foundationally. And then it becomes personal as each individual accepts and worships the Group Creed.

    But for those who insist in singling out a particular slice or branch of Judaism as being somehow particularly offbase or misled, you need look no farther than this. For Chrissake, these people love Obama, and now look:

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/sep/24/soros-funder-liberal-jewish-american-lobby/

    Free Speech | September 25, 2010 at 2:03 pm |
    Michelle | September 25, 2010 at 12:30 pm |
    Cabby – AZ @ 12:21 pm | I’m not sophisticated enough to know who is an obot and who is not, suffice it to say they know who they are.

    ===========================================

    We have irrefutable evidence that both cabby and citizen carlyle/bo are sunstein/bo obot/psyops. However, you don’t need sophisticated internet surveillance to identify sunstein/bo psyops.

    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/05/exposing-obamas-psyops-agents-and.html

    Free Speech | September 25, 2010 at 2:05 pm |
    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2010/09/cyber-warfare-now-has-its-equivalent-of.html

    Free Speech | September 25, 2010 at 2:26 pm |
    Prairie | September 25, 2010 at 12:49 am |

    LOL. I expected more of a challenge. Helps that I have truth on my side. I will respond tomorrow.
    ===============================================

    AMEN!

    The Truth is your greatest strength the sunstein/bo obot/pysops like cabby and citizen carlyle have no defense to the Truth. Notice I so easily confound the sunstein/bo obot/pysops cabby and citizen carlyle with the Truth.

    Free Speech | September 25, 2010 at 2:30 pm |

    Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) | September 25, 2010 at 2:40 pm |
    CabbyAZ – I am SOOO sorry – it now appears like you are collateral damage by the simple act of standing next to me. I don’t mind being a lightning rod, but I weep for innocent people who get caught in the crossfire.

    I also find it quite interesting that someone can have “irrefutable evidence” that the sky is green. I wonder how long CW will let this continue – arguments among contestants is one thing, but collateral damage is quite another.

    On the other hand, as long as no one complains, perhaps he will let it continue.

    Helen | September 25, 2010 at 2:41 pm |
    FS – I read the article about Siesta Key and this citizen initiative of testing the water and sand.

    What should concern everyone is the fact that the Greater Tampa Bay hosts the largest Desalinization plant in America. This means their drinking water comes from the Gulf and is treated through the desal process. I doubt seriously they have the technology retrofitted to remove the toxins such as corexit in this process.

    ============================================

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tampa_Bay_Area

    The Tampa Bay Area, or Tampa Bay, after the body of water it surrounds, is the second most populous metropolitan area in the U.S. state of Florida (after the South Florida metropolitan area), the second most populous on the Gulf Coast (behind Houston), the fourth most populous in the Southeast (after Miami, Atlanta and Washington), and the 19th-largest in the United States.

    The United States Census Bureau currently estimates the population for the Tampa-St. Petersburg Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA) at 2,733,761.[2] as of a July 1, 2008

  51. Helen | September 25, 2010 at 2:41 pm |
    FS – I read the article about Siesta Key and this citizen initiative of testing the water and sand.

    What should concern everyone is the fact that the Greater Tampa Bay hosts the largest Desalinization plant in America. This means their drinking water comes from the Gulf and is treated through the desal process. I doubt seriously they have the technology retrofitted to remove the toxins such as corexit in this process.

    ============================================

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tampa_Bay_Area

    The Tampa Bay Area, or Tampa Bay, after the body of water it surrounds, is the second most populous metropolitan area in the U.S. state of Florida (after the South Florida metropolitan area), the second most populous on the Gulf Coast (behind Houston), the fourth most populous in the Southeast (after Miami, Atlanta and Washington), and the 19th-largest in the United States.

    The United States Census Bureau currently estimates the population for the Tampa-St. Petersburg Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA) at 2,733,761.[2] as of a July 1, 2008

  52. Article from The Right Side of Life asks some good questions.

    Where Did the Presidential Eligibility Protocol Go?
    09.24.2010 · Posted in Activism, Eligibility, POTUS, Texas

    We already knew that, in recent political history, the press took its role in helping the public to vet presidential candidates seriously by investigating the background of previous presidential contenders and winners. But did you know that evidence exists much further back in history that there were protocols in place to vet a presidential candidate? …

  53. Cabby @ 2:56,
    The truth is, Free Speech cannot stand one word of admonition or criticism. It didn’t used to be so acute but has now reached unbelievable limits.

    For all those who placate him , “play up” and give him comfort, you are just perpetuating this type of unacceptable behavior
    ________________
    I agree 100%

  54. “The end of an empire is messy at best
    And this empire is ending
    Like all the rest
    Like the Spanish Armada adrift on the sea
    We’re adrift in the land of the brave
    And the home of the free
    Goodbye. Goodbye. Goodbye”

    – Bill Ayers quoting Randy Newman on his web site in 2008 just before Obama was elected

    Ayers knew all along Obama’s goal was to end America as we know it.

  55. Cabby – I was always taught that if I point a finger at someone casting judgement or criticism, three fingers are pointing back at me.

    I do not post comments to seek anyone’s approval. I have been posting here for two years and have found many of your comments toward me rather judgemental and critical. We’ve had a truce for some time and I for one have enjoyed it. Let’s keep it that way.

    As many have suggested umpteen times, if you wish to ignore FS and his posts or anyone elses for all that matters then skip over them and don’t let him bait you. Simply ignore him and all others you do not agree with.

  56. and no, I’m not trying to pick a fight. trust me. i’m as guilty of the three- finger rule as anyone else.

  57. North Carolina Patriots defy officials and hold vigil to keep Christian flag at memorial

    A group of Stokes County residents said Thursday they plan to stake out the Veterans Memorial every hour of every day for the next month, ensuring that a Christian flag is being displayed at the site.

    A group of about 15 people were displaying the flag at the site Thursday. King City Council members voted last week to remove the flag after determining that fighting a potential lawsuit wasn’t worth it.
    http://tinyurl.com/26tbtrp

  58. Helen | September 25, 2010 at 3:05 pm |
    Yes, FS, it is extremely disturbing.

    I have family living in Tampa and have begged her to move East with us, but b/c she isn’t hearing anything on the radio about illnesses etc she doesn’t believe any of this tragedy will affect her. Well, she drinks desal water, showers in desal water and her dishes, pots and pans are all washed in desal water.

    Has scared me since first learning about the corexit and the enormity of the spill.
    =================================================

    Evidently the People of Tampa/St. Pete were a primary target of bo’s Coexit/Oil Terrorist Weapon of Mass Destruction.

  59. Dean M – I recommend reading Madsen’s series. He lays it all out. He’s also done several radio shows and has been on RT News reporting on his investigation.

    Here’s something I’ve been curious about that you, or others, may have some insight. Obama has scheduled two different trips to Indonesia with both being cancelled at the last minute. He has yet to re schedule his visit as far as I know.

    Somewhere, I read he may be cancelling such trips b/c the Indonesian press will report on him and his mother’s CIA work through the Ford Foundation. Meaning, the press is ready to detail both his mom’s and stepfather’s work in that country, which will challenge his citizenship story.

    Thoughts?

  60. Dean M. says:
    That will create a greater adversarial relationship with Congress which will play into his scheme. Think about it. The new scapegoat will be a Republican dominated Congress, rather than the former President Bush! For what he is truly aiming at, that will help him more than harm him

    Here, I disagree–for the purpose of a republican-lead congress was to begin impeachment of the fraud–if one can impeach a thief who stole office- and thereby ‘undo’ all the fraud has done…including all EOs, healthcare, appointments, and beginning investigations of the secretive, illegal campaign donations online through credit cards from anonymous donors.

  61. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Helen | September 25, 2010 at 3:31 pm |

    ==================================

    It is quite possible that is Indonesia Trip is intended to be a one way ticket. He may have previously felt that the time to flee was at hand, but then had second thoughts. And then again, and then not.

    There is absolutely no national urgency or other reason for him to go to Indonesia. But it is certainly on the short list of best places to flee.

    Fact? No. Proof? No. Credible circumstantial evidence? Maybe, maybe not. Very logical, highly possible, and in keeping with his radical behavior? You betcha.

  62. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Question – not a statement – - -

    Does anybody here think that the DOJ/Black Panther probe will get all the way to Obama, or just throw Holder under the bus and move along like nothing happened?

  63. Philo-Publius | September 25, 2010 at 3:24 pm |
    Plan B…every citizen in that town, get those flags that attach to the window…take turns parking your car at that establishment…lots of citizens?? Easy to beat the assholes at their atheist, unpatriotic games.

  64. Philo-Publius | September 25, 2010 at 3:24 pm |
    Plan B…every citizen in that town, get those flags that attach to the window…take turns parking your car at that establishment…lots of citizens?? Easy to beat the azzholes at their atheist, unpatriotic games.

  65. Rosemary Woodhouse

    Free Speech wrote, “Did you see the movie, “Nixon?” Remember how terrified President Nixon was of the CIA? Multiply by a thousand and then you can imagine how terrified bo and sunstein are of the CIA right now. ”

    ‘Twas a brilliant move to put Leon Panetta in charge of the CIA. Check to the mate, sad to say…unless there are still some patriotic Americans who are loyal to their country instead of the agency to which they are employed.

  66. Holder goes, Obama has to hire new bus driver

  67. Helen | September 25, 2010 at 4:04 pm |
    FS – this is worth the time to read –
    ====================================
    Really no comparison with Exxon Spill. bo’s planned Well Explosion and intentional Poisoning of the Gulf is exponentially more destructive. People of the Gulf and Atlantic States have more than enough evidence now to indict bo and his local co-conspirators for Reckless Endangerment. bo is the only person with the authority to order the US Air Force to poison the Gulf.

  68. Rosemary Woodhouse | September 25, 2010 at 4:15 pm |
    Someone on a site I read, told of an account of Bush 41, was taken for a long drive through Canada by ‘operatives’…you can’t make this *** up!!

  69. Bob Cavnar speaks to MSNBC host NOT Olbermann about his concerns with the capping of the well head and seepage along the seabed.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32545640Visit msnbc.com for breaking news, world news, and news about the economy

  70. Rosemary Woodhouse | September 25, 2010 at 4:15 pm |
    Free Speech wrote, “Did you see the movie, “Nixon?” Remember how terrified President Nixon was of the CIA? Multiply by a thousand and then you can imagine how terrified bo and sunstein are of the CIA right now. ”

    ‘Twas a brilliant move to put Leon Panetta in charge of the CIA. Check to the mate
    ===============================================
    U R absolutely correct. The Clinton’s set Panetta up in the CIA. bo is so ignorant that he was oblivious of the fact that he was being set up by the Clintons. bo is dumb that he didn’t realize that he was the odd man out until he was snubbed by the Clintons at Chelsea’s Wedding at Soros’ estate.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leon_Panetta

    Leon Edward Panetta (born June 28, 1938) is the current Director of the Central Intelligence Agency… Panetta served as President Bill Clinton’s White House Chief of Staff from 1994 to 1997…

    http://newsflavor.com/opinions/white-house-insider-on-obama-the-president-is-losing-it/

  71. HonorFirst | September 25, 2010 at 4:20 pm |
    Holder goes, Obama has to hire new bus driver
    ========================================
    Once bo loses holder at his dept of injustice, then the bo Bus heads straight to bo’s new home at an undisclosed prison.

  72. ms. helga @ 1:07 pm |
    “UNFORTUNATELY – EXTREME FRUSTRATION IS CATCHING UP WITH US. WE MUST KEEP THE FAITH.”
    I agree-remember “In God we Trust”. Extreme frustration is very correct, too long has this nonsense been going on, I’m itching to get in the repair work phase. Obama/minions drew a bulls-eye on the corruption, corrupt people, institutions now we know exactly where to go and what to do. If someone had told me just 10 years ago that our government would have gotten this correct, I would have never believed it, I believe it now and it makes me very sad to say that.

  73. Michelle | September 25, 2010 at 4:51 pm |

    I agree-remember “In God we Trust”. Extreme frustration is very correct, too long has this nonsense been going on, I’m itching to get in the repair work phase. Obama/minions drew a bulls-eye on the corruption, corrupt people, institutions now we know exactly where to go and what to do.
    ===============================================

    Thanks, Michelle for the positive input. That is the way I choose to lot at it as well. The silver lining is that bo has exposed all the criminally corrupt in State and Fed government. Now we Patriots can start cleaning up bo’s mess.

    For information on forming a Secret Grand Jury to investigate crimes go here:

    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/06/how-to-start-and-lead-citizens-grand.html

    For information on Crimes committed by the BHO regime:

    http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/category/nashville

  74. Prejudice is defined as a cultural attitude that rests on negative stereotypes about individuals or groups because of their cultural, religious, racial, or ethnic background. Discrimination is the active denial of desired goals from a category of persons.

    If I have made a statement attacking anyones culture, faith, or race, please identify it. If I have not expressed my position in terms of alliance and sovereignty, please identify it.

    I have included a few examples for easy reference and identification:

    “Jews – righteous, Muslims – unrighteous. Not personally, but culturally, and foundationally.” Attitude based on beliefs and culture. Prejudice.

    ” I had remarked about Ah-mayonaise-nutjob being the new king of the Truthers. . . you made some snarky comment about me acting like Ailinsky – which I presumed referred to this post. I therefore ‘jumped to the conclusion’ that you agreed with the Iranian and therefore your hate was matched with his.” – This is an example of stereotyping. Look for it when one is attempting to pigeon hole, lable, and then belittle a group. More recently, this is referred to as an Alinsky method in regard to “Birthers.”

    “The point was that as long as you stay on non-hateful subjects that promote the dialog here and purpose of this blog, then nobody is going to dump on you . . . But the last I knew, this is not a Truther blog. – Best described as an example of discrimination with the objective being denial. Denial of a voice, denial of a medium, denial of Americans who question their government’s account of 911.

    Bottom line CC, you shouldn’t need to write a dissertation. My statements should speak for themselves.

  75. I have a question: does Michelle Obama get to go to a prison too? not necessarily the same one as her beloved? She’s no innocent either, and that is just her criminal activities in Chicago-I don’t know what she could have pulled off in DC-unfortunately living large on the taxpayers dime is not a crime.
    Free Speech @ 4:45 pm | HonorFirst @ 4:20 pm |
    “Holder goes, Obama has to hire new bus driver
    ========================================
    Once bo loses holder at his dept of injustice, then the bo Bus heads straight to bo’s new home at an undisclosed prison”

  76. Helen 3:13 PM
    “I do not post comments to seek anyone’s approval. I have been posting here for two years and have found many of your comments toward me rather judgemental and critical. We’ve had a truce for some time and I for one have enjoyed it. Let’s keep it that way.”
    **************************************
    If so-called “many” of my comments toward you were rather judgmental and critical, It was not YOU personally that was targeted; it was just that I didn’t agree with your opinions. Don’t we all have that privilege without resorting to name-calling? That is the problem that I addressed earlier. Why should we take it as a personal affront if someone doesn’t agree with our beliefs? If it seemed as though I was attacking you personally, my apologies to you.

    BTW, I have really enjoyed the video of the orangutan and the hound dog and have shared it on e-mails. It is one, darling presentation, especially for animal lovers like me. Thanks for sharing it! (smiling face)

  77. We can have a huge going away party for them……..make sheriff Joe Arpaio the warden…….they would look so pretty in pink.

  78. HonorFirst @ 5:34 pm | That is a great idea. People across the nation could have their own little “Pink Parties” in sympathy with the rest of the nation, but the trick is for the Tea Party to stay united and committed until every creep, corrupt politician/entity is out of DC. A clean sweep of the entire town would be wonderful. Then we have to live up to our own words.

  79. Michelle | September 25, 2010 at 5:29 pm |
    I have a question: does Michelle Obama get to go to a prison too? not necessarily the same one as her beloved? She’s no innocent either, and that is just her criminal activities in Chicago-I don’t know what she could have pulled off in DC-unfortunately living large on the taxpayers dime is not a crime.
    Free Speech @ 4:45 pm | HonorFirst @ 4:20 pm |
    “Holder goes, Obama has to hire new bus driver
    ========================================
    Once bo loses holder at his dept of injustice, then the bo Bus heads straight to bo’s new home at an undisclosed prison”
    ======================================

    mo may be able to avoid prison by testifying against bo which she will undoubtedly do.

  80. Helen – September 25, 2010, 3:31 pm
    ============================
    I’ve started reading the Madsen series as you recommend. I am totally amazed. Some of the information I would imagine would still be classified. But I don’t know. I’ve been out of the business for a long time. But that definitely confirms the CIA theory, to me. If I had any doubts, they have just been dispelled.

    What is interesting to me also in the Madsen series–I’ve only looked at the first two parts so far–is the role of Tom Mboya, Obama Sr.’s sponsor to go to the U. of Hawaii. Mboya is one of the persons Malcolm X visited in Kenya when he made his long tour of Africa and the Middle East.

    It seems there may be some CIA disinformation in the Madsen reports. Stanley Ann was three months pregnant with Barack Jr. when she married Obama Sr. in February of 1961. That is true. But was it possible that she had an encounter with Malcolm X in Seattle in 1960 before she moved with the family to Hawaii? I have seen conflicting accounts on the timeline and the move from Seattle.

    In August of 1961, the month Barack Jr. was born, Stanley Ann enrolls in the U. of Washington and goes there to attend school. In 1962 Obama Sr. leaves Hawaii, telling no one of his marriage or the birth of a son. Stanley Ann returns to Hawaii in 1963. Barack had been left with his grandparents.

    In March 1964 Malcolm X leaves the nation of Islam, starts his new organization, Muslim Mosque, Inc., and in April he travels to the Middle East and Africa. He visits Mecca and goes on to Kenya where he meets Tom Mboya, Obama Sr.’s sponsor. During his travels Malcolm accepts orthodox Islam and becomes a Sunni. Obama Sr. and Stanley Ann supposedly get divorced (through the mail) at this time. In February of 1965, Malcolm X is gunned down in his new mosque and Stanley Ann marries Lolo Soetoro. In 1967 she moves with him and Barack to Indonesia.

    Barack’s sister, Maya, was born to Stanley Ann and Lolo Soetoro in 1970. Both children were being raised as Muslim. Barack was registered as “Barry Soetoro,” religion: Muslim, in a Catholic School there. In 1971 he returned to Hawaii to live with his grandparents and continue schooling.

    These are very curious interconnections with the letters C-I-A written in the background, so to speak.

    (As for Obama’s cancelled trips to Indonesia, I have no idea what that is all about. There is so much intrigue going on, one can hardly keep up with the bare outline of it all.)

    Though the Malcolm X part may be incidental to the fact that Obama was a CIA operative, several reports I have seen, beginning with the article at Israel Insider, cause me to wonder if this is not more central to what is happening than it may appear?

    I have avoided reading the complete DREAMS FROM MY FATHER, as for the most part I think it is a cover story for Obama. It is disinformation. However, one can learn from disinformation as well. Where he mentions Malcolm X in the book, I feel Obama may be giving himself away. The dreams definitely come from Malcolm, it seems to me, not Obama Sr.

    Also, another possible slip of the tongue? Besides saying he was going to campaign in “all 57 states” (the number of Muslim states in the Organization of the Islamic Conference), and “my Muslim faith,” while talking with Stephanopolous, he said both of his parents were involved together in civil rights marches. This was said to be flat out untrue, but maybe they were, but not in Alabama? Maybe Seattle?

    People here have remarked that Malcolm was really down on Elijah Mohammed for his secret mistresses. Therefore, Malcolm was “sterling pure” and could never have “fallen into sin.” Maybe so. On the other hand, maybe not so. If not so, could that have made him all the more inclined to disparage a sin or “weakness” that he found in himself?

    If the real father, did Malcolm finally learn of the baby? Is that why he went to visit Tom Mboya in Kenya? Was Tom Mboya a go-between for Malcolm and Obama, Sr. ? Did Malcolm wish to convey his thanks through Tom Mboya to Obama Sr. for giving his son a name and paternal status? Maybe some day we’ll know.

  81. HonorFirst | September 25, 2010 at 5:34 pm |
    We can have a huge going away party for them……..make sheriff Joe Arpaio the warden…….they would look so pretty in pink.

    Michelle | September 25, 2010 at 5:39 pm |
    HonorFirst @ 5:34 pm | That is a great idea. People across the nation could have their own little “Pink Parties” in sympathy with the rest of the nation, but the trick is for the Tea Party to stay united and committed until every creep, corrupt politician/entity is out of DC. A clean sweep of the entire town would be wonderful. Then we have to live up to our own words.

    =============================================
    Don’t ya know bo is going to love the pink panties with the amber stains?

    The Poetry of Barack Obama

    Following are two poems by Barack Obama that were published in the Spring 1981 issue of “Feast,” a 51-page student literary journal that described itself as “a semi-annual journal of short poetry and fiction collected from the Occidental College community.”

    POP

    …Pop takes another shot, neat,
    Points out the same amber
    Stain on his shorts that I’ve got on mine, and
    Makes me smell his smell, coming
    From me…

  82. Free Speech @ 6:10 pm | It boggles the mind that this is college-level poetry, iambic pentameter it is not, and the theme defies description.

  83. Cabby – yes, absolutely, I never wish to stifle your opinions or thoughts or anyone else who posts here.

    It is so important to listen to one another and question some uncomfortable opinions or thoughts shared that one is challenged by.

    You are not included in this statement, but there are some who post who wish to stay in comfort zones or twist what people say. I won’t name them b/c they know who they are.

    One of the chief challenges I bring to many is my study and research and informed thoughts on AshkeNazi’s or Bolshevicks aka Jewish Russian Settlers aka Zionist Likud Party. When I mention the word “Zionist” I am attacked and condemned. Why? Because either a. I’m offending a Christian Zionist aka Fundamentalist, or b. I’m offending the uninformed who loathes, and for good reason, anything demeaning whatsoever toward the Jew. The fact is I am not.

    Zionism, as I’ve studied and reached out to individuals of the Jewish faith, is a political party that believes they and only they are righteous in all matters of policy that catapults them to the seat of superiority over all others including their Jewish brothers and sisters. They believe they are pure, thus allowed to get away with the greatest of atrocities against humanity.

    I find their hubris and sociopathic mindsets scary. Very scary.

    But when I even mention the word Zion I am immediately tagged as being an anti semite. Basically the ridicule Prairie pointed out in her post above when addressing CC.

    There is a huge gulf b/w Zionist’s and their beliefs and the Jewish faith and their beliefs. If you or others wished to understand these differences all one has to do is google, bing, dogpile or use whatever search engine to stretch your learning b/w the two.

    I will add this too. Many of my Jewish friends believe the Zionist’s who control all of Israel are scary too. They have told me of this fear and welcome mine, as well as a plethora of others, to expose their crimes against humanity. However, those of us who have taken this on for educational purposes are more than aware of the sensitivity our true and loving American Jewish brothers and sisters, thus we “goyim” choose our words very carefully due to this sensitivity and fear.

    We must all learn “one size” or “generalities” made of one religion fits all. It doesn’t. I’m a christian; however, no part of me can relate to my christian brothers and sisters who practice in fundamentalist’s beliefs. I haven’t a clue what talking in tongues is nor why snakes are used in said practices. Therefore, if these same individuals were committing crimes against humanity, I’d be the first christian out there telling the world how criminal they are.

    Thus, when I use the words Zionism, Zion or Zionist’s I in know way am generalizing my comments to an entire peaceful God loving people known as Jews.

    I am not anti any religion that is peaceful and loving, what I am is an individual who abhors criminals who use the cover of a peaceful religious people who no more want to be associated with this radical extreme of their faith than we do.

    I hope this helps.

  84. Again with the trust issues.
    http://www.repubx.com/
    Obama is an ‘international villain’: Iranian speaker
    by DFX September 25, 2010 07:20
    From Blogsphere:
    Aaaah, i see, all makes sense now .. because Obama is an international citizen (or villain), then he does not need to be eligible to hold Prez of US and a dual post at the UN (which is also forbidden by the Constitution).
    If we’re going international, let’s get it done already.
    Obama is an ‘international villain’: Iranian speaker
    From Blogsphere:
    [link to http://www.dawn.com
    TEHRAN: Iran rejects US President Barack Obama’s invitation to resolve differences because he is an “international villain,” parliament speaker Ali Larijani said Saturday.
    “How dare Obama announce that he wants to help the Iranian nation. He should know that he is an international villain,” Larijani was quoted by ISNA news agency as saying during a visit to the southern city of Shiraz.
    “The Americans are displaying an act that deserves an international evilness medal… Mr Obama should know that we do not need his message, what we need is to be able to trust the words he utters,”……

  85. Michelle | September 25, 2010 at 6:41 pm |
    Free Speech @ 6:10 pm | It boggles the mind that this is college-level poetry, iambic pentameter it is not, and the theme defies description.
    ==================================================

    Can U believe that obots are trying to argue that the CIA would recruit a sick homosexual psycho like bo? Frankly this CIA BS is even funnier than the ridiculous claim that Malcolm X was bo’s daddy. I wouldn’t be a bit surprised to find that Frank Marshall Davis was bo’s biological father and that stanley ann conned B. Hussein sr. into marrying her after Frank raped her without protection, but no way Malcolm X would have touched white trash like stanley ann.

    cabby, dean m. & citizen carlyle/bo make me ROFLMAO! with their insanely absurd posts. It is great comic relief to read their nonsense.

  86. http://www.repubx.com/
    A Novel Way of Keeping Fiscal Deficits Under Control?
    by MiaX September 24, 2010 15:42
    From the Cato Institute:
    Having inherited an 8 percent budget deficit from the previous socialist government, the new conservative-liberal government of Slovakia has come up with a novel way of keeping budget deficits under control in the future. Starting in 2011, salaries of government ministers will rise and fall depending on the evolution of the fiscus. Thus, a budget deficit of 5 percent will translate to a 10 percent decrease in salaries, while an (unlikely) budget surplus of 5 percent will translate into a 10 percent rise in salaries, etc. It will be interesting to see if this new measure will truly result in a more responsible fiscal policy in the years to come.
    Incidentally, had the United States adopted a similar measure, President Obama’s reported salary of $400,000 in 2009 would have fallen to $320,000 in 2010.

  87. FS,
    Unless evidence exists to rule it out- Barky could be the test tube baby of Elvis. If I stood by this claim, how could one prove me wrong? IMHO, it’s a fill in the blank nativity story.

  88. Free Speech @ 7:08 pm | Whether or not a person agrees with Malcolm X’s philosophy, I think he was a decent, honorable young guy trying to figure out the world. He can no longer defend himself, but I know those guys from Chicago-swingers they were not. They were trying to be moral and upright citizens to their wives and their children.

  89. Dean M said – “If the real father, did Malcolm finally learn of the baby? Is that why he went to visit Tom Mboya in Kenya? Was Tom Mboya a go-between for Malcolm and Obama, Sr. ? Did Malcolm wish to convey his thanks through Tom Mboya to Obama Sr. for giving his son a name and paternal status? Maybe some day we’ll know.”
    _________________

    Your observations have great merit, Dean. Wow! I hadn’t made these connections.

    To add a bit more fodder I recall reading how Ann would take the ferry from Mercer Island to Seattle when she was in High School. She was very attracted to the more bohemian type of lifestyle there. I recall reading somewhere, lord, I may have to dig and dig in my saved archives, that she indeed was in Seattle while Malcolm was there. Basically, their twains met.

    Now, taking this a step further, he would have had sex with an under age teenager. That is known as rape. The laws were a bit looser in the 50′s and 60′s so no fuss would have been made of it.

    But if you think about it, Toot and Stanley left commie Mercer Island immediately after Ann graduated from the “Red Schoolhouse” on the hill. They went to Hawaii. Imagine for a moment, Dean, you were a commie spy living in America and the young girl who you brought over with you from Germany got pregnant by a black guy known as a radical in those days. What to do? What to do?

    Barack Obama, Sr., agreed to be her cover…for no other reason than to receive a free education at the Univ of Hawaii and Harvard, two schools who are very well known for their MK Ultra work and CIA recruitment work.

    If I remember correctly, Malcom was not married at this time. Correct me if I am wrong. However, lust was a forbidden fruit as you stated so eloquently above for Malcolm.

    So, we know Ann was a radical, we know she adhered to rigid commie beliefs in her youth, we know her “supposed” parents could not control or manage her. She gets pregnant. They wisk her off to Hawaii and set up a new front – the Bank of Hawaii???? Toot launders money for the drug cartel and the Ford Foundations micro financing…

    We known Sr. was the only student ushered out of Africa during the Kennedy, aka Cavinish, airlift, to attend the Univ of Hawaii. We know no public relationship was had b/w Ann and Sr. We know she went back to Seattle and did a year of courses. We know she returned to Hawaii and Sr went onto Harvard.

    Now, Sr. never openly claimed this child; however, Grandpa Stanley threw a big welcoming party to Sr upon his arrival in Hawaii.

    Could Sr have been her cover story? Could the “company” have said to Sr. we will pay all expenses for your education if you agree to marry this young white American girl who is with child from another black man, never knowing or always knowing it was Malcolm’s child? Lordy, this is a fascinating discussion. Keep reading and your thoughts coming.

    btw, Madsen is the real deal. I’ve been a subscriber for awhile now and have come to have a friendly professional relationship with him. I hold him and his work in high esteem.

  90. Michelle | September 25, 2010 at 7:03 pm |

    Guess the Iranians have finally figured out that bo is a saudi/sunni and that he will do nothing to stop Israel from bombing Iran’s nuclear sites.

  91. Free Speech @ 7:24 pm |
    It takes some a little longer than others.

  92. ya see, all of us are fair game with FS and CC, if they don’t agree with astute viewpoints or comment we are either tagged as obots or anti’s whatever…

    Prairie, well said. That’s all I have…no dissertation. Peace.

    FS – read the Madsen series. You may actually be able to take your current mindset and stretch it a bit. I dare you. heck, I double dare ya! :-)

  93. Helen,
    Peace out… I’m crackin’ a beer.

  94. Prairie | September 25, 2010 at 7:16 pm |
    FS,
    Unless evidence exists to rule it out- Barky could be the test tube baby of Elvis. If I stood by this claim, how could one prove me wrong? IMHO, it’s a fill in the blank nativity story.
    ====================================================
    Good one, Prairie, NO DOUBT dean m., cabby & citizen carlyle/bo have the inside dope on Elvis’ paternity of bo? LOL!
    ===============================================

    Come to think of it wasn’t Richard Pryor on tour in Hawaii when stanley ann got knocked up? Hmmm???

    Could this be the reason bo likes to smoke crack while getting felatio from rahm & algore? Inquiring minds want to know. Maybe dean m., cabby or citizen carlyle/bo can fill in the blanks?

    ========================================
    algore’s daddy worked for armand hammer, the commie who founded Occidental College where the HomoBO wrote his POP Poem maybe ALGORE AND BO ARE BROTHERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  95. BREAKING NEWS–

    GOMER PYLE admits he is President Barrack Hussein Obama’s Father

    by

    Dean M.

    Honolulu–(AP) Hawaii Native Jim Neighbors shocked the Island of Oaho by admitting that he fathered President President Barrack Hussein Obama while on hiatus in Hawaii after filming Andy of Mayberry, according to Dean M., a former CIA Agent now employed by Associated Press.

  96. I hate this corruption when either party does it, but the Dems get the hypocrisy award for criticizing the other guy while committing worse themselves. One of the many things the Tea Party wants to change. If a pig moves out of the sty and into this mansion-he is still a pig-just better lipstick.
    http://michellemalkin.com/
    GOP candidates like Christine O’Donnell, who have weathered personal financial troubles, have a lot more in common with the 14 million Americans underwater on their mortgages than these privileged Beltway boys. Perhaps fat-cat Democrats in crony-funded houses should put down their stones.
    How privileged Democrats pay for their houses
    By Michelle Malkin • September 24, 2010 11:31 AM How privileged Democrats pay for their houses
    by Michelle Malkin
    Creators Syndicate
    Copyright 2010
    Like millions of Americans, Delaware Republican Senate nominee Christine O’Donnell has had trouble covering her mortgage and other bills over the years. Her opponents consider this a scandal of disqualifying proportions. But there’s a bigger disgrace: It’s all the sanctimonious Democrats who have exploited their entrenched political incumbency to pay for multiple manses and vacation homes — while posing as vox populi.
    (more)

  97. Michelle | September 25, 2010 at 8:22 pm |

    As I have said, the demRats silly personal attacks on Christine will do nothing but help her win the Senate seat. Remember the stupid demRats’ attacks on Sarah made her the most popular woman in America.

  98. It’s mercifully short.
    http://www.breitbart.tv/pelosi-colbert-testimony-was-great/
    The Speaker of the House is forced to defend her party’s judgement

  99. FS – and the former demrat’s love to make fun of and ridicule those who are actually taking the time to learn from sources that are credible, reliable and informative.

    Please tell all of us how Madsen’s reports are wrong? I look forward to your intellectual critique.

  100. FS,
    Gomer very well could be. I believe you have missed my point or are reading it as you wish. Elvis, Gomer, BHO SR. all have equal probability of being the father- we don’t know jack about Barky. We can’t rule out Malcom X, Uncle Frank, or an anonymous sperm donor. Still, it does not matter, if he IS a NBC by virture of his father, he then has committed perjury. He is guilty of treason.

  101. Free Speech @ 8:27 pm | I had to go to a shower today with my girl friends from work, 30 of us were Dems-now all are Tea Party, most of their husbands too. Guys weren’t there it was a baby shower.

  102. http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/weekly_updates/what_they_told_us_reviewing_last_week_s_key_polls
    Free Speech @ 8:27 pm |
    With less than six weeks to go until Election Day, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi remains the most unpopular of the four top congressional leaders as she has been since this session of Congress began early last year. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid is a close second.
    With less than six weeks to go until Election Day, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi remains the most unpopular of the four top congressional leaders as she has been since this session of Congress began early last year. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid is a close second.
    With less than six weeks to go until Election Day, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi remains the most unpopular of the four top congressional leaders as she has been since this session of Congress began early last year. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid is a close second.
    Fifty percent (50%) of Likely U.S. Voters give President Obama poor marks for his handling of the economy.

  103. Michelle | September 25, 2010 at 8:39 pm |
    Free Speech @ 8:27 pm | I had to go to a shower today with my girl friends from work, 30 of us were Dems-now all are Tea Party, most of their husbands too.
    ==============================================

    I have been an Independent for all my voting life, I have voted for Republicans, Democrats and Independents in the past. However, my family was a family of Democrats. I miss my Dad and Mom, but I am glad that they did not have to see what bo did to their Party and our Country.

  104. Free Speech @ 8:46 pm | My parents, grandparents (father’s side) my god-parents (Irish-Chicago of course Dems) would not in any way shape or form support this aberration calling itself the Democratic party. They were all honorable people-it would make them sick to see how this once great party has fallen-if the Dems are not careful, they may cease to exist after this election, a reward they justly deserve. If they were smart they would pull back from the abyss and do you know what, even if they get him impeached they are still severely weakened (major trust issues) it will take them years to rebuild. Good.

  105. Michelle | September 25, 2010 at 8:53 pm |
    Free Speech @ 8:46 pm | My parents, grandparents (father’s side) my god-parents (Irish-Chicago of course Dems) would not in any way shape or form support this aberration calling itself the Democratic party. They were all honorable people-it would make them sick to see how this once great party has fallen-if the Dems are not careful, they may cease to exist after this election, a reward they justly deserve. If they were smart they would pull back from the abyss and do you know what, even if they get him impeached they are still severely weakened (major trust issues) it will take them years to rebuild.
    ==============================================

    I agree. I expect some democrat congressmen will wise up and realize that in order to say their party mere impeachment of bo will not be enough. The democrats will have to openly prosecute, convict and imprison bo.

  106. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Prairie | September 25, 2010 at 5:24 pm |

    ===================================

    Every one of your remarks is off-center to the topic at hand and twists what I said. Have you been taking lessons from FS lately?

    I will just note one example:

    Denial of a voice, denial of a medium, denial of Americans who question their government’s account of 911.

    I don’t know how many times I have said, and said forcefully, not only do I question the government’s account of 911, but it is clearly and patently wrong. At least in so much as it is incomplete, and perhaps elements of what they have reported are actually lies, as well.

    There are lots of questions, lots of unanswered questions.

    But – now to the point – jumping hastily to “Bush did it” is a result of Bush Derangement Syndrome – and – jumping hastily to “Israelis did it” is blatant anti-semitism, i.e. hateful.

    Further – based on the evidence, based on their own written materials, and based on their taking responsibility for it, and based on the worldwide dancing in the streets – a TRUTH is that the Muslims had quite a lot to do with it. Furthermore, not just some “extremist branch”, but the rank and file. If you are looking for truth, that is the truth.

    In addition to that clear and present truth, there are some interesting questions:

    1. Did Bush admin or Israeli admin officially know more about it AHEAD OF TIME than they are letting on? Possibly, but we don’t know.

    2. Did one or more renegade Bush appointees (e.g. Wolfowitz or associates) or Israeli roque operatives (e.g. Mossad agents) help instigate the activities? Possibly, but we don’t know.

    Hate and bigotry all drive “jumping to conclusions”. Whenever I see JTC, I immediately suspect H and B, until proven otherwise. It’s pretty much as simple as that.

    It also means that asking questions is almost always OK, but one must be very careful making statements. And in order to properly distinguish a question from a statement, it needs to be more than the difference of a period and a question mark. One breathes openness and the other reeks of closure. It is also the same as the difference between an opinion and a fact.

    The Tin Hat Conspiracy Theory crowd has a particularly hard time in separating suspicions, coincidences, and opinions from facts.

    A good example of that on a different topic: There is absolutely no hard evidence, and only a couple of suspicious or coincidental facts, that Commander Zero or any of his Flying Minkeys had anything to do with the Gulf Oil spill. Certainly a number of criminal acts were perpetrated in the aftermath, and they as usual milked the “crisis too big to waste” to damage the economy and hurt America. But people who continually say that CZ and his FM’s caused the event are just heaping loads of non-credibility on themselves. Do we all suspect? Yes. Do we all think it is within the envelope and in the spirit of other things they have done? Yes. That all means asking questions is good, even necessary.

    But in the end, I don’t care what individuals believe, and I don’t even care what they say to a certain extent. But consider this. We have been trying very hard since forever, and really boosted the idea lately, that some of the PLAYERS out there and even the PTB’s should read this blog and get educated. Do we want them to roll their eyes, cover their ears, and run away yelling WHACKOS, LUNATICS, PROTECT ME FROM EVIL? Or do we want them to see hard facts and Honest Seekers – and thereby be inspired themselves to ask more questions and probe deeper?

    Finally – I hope CW reads this so he can be more pro-active about ensuring this blog and all the posters and all the comments are truly “ready for prime time”. If I were he, I would not be very happy about having my legs cut out from under me by foolishness and hysteria that could have been easily prevented. Those “outsiders” we want to come here and read and think are already clearly pre-disposed to think of all Birthers as racist, hateful, nutjobs. We would like to convince them otherwise – and certainly do not want to give them any reason to become further entrenched in their beliefs.

    FWIW

  107. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Helen | September 25, 2010 at 6:42 pm |

    ================================

    Alas, pretty words – off center, and not addressing the points. Let me try to be succinct:

    1. Over the last several hundred years in particular there has been a concerted effort by anti-semites to create a myth of Zionism and to twist it into a monumental evil of all evils. The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion being only one, but a glaring example. You and people like you on the same agenda, do not seem to realize this, do not seem to take this into account in your research and musings, and apparently lack the critical skills to tell the difference between real facts and such planted facts.

    2. Even if everything you say and believe is true, that “evil” still pales in comparison to the Muslims and the core Muslim agenda. By focusing on the Jews you are taking your eye off the real problem – a magician’s slight of hand. And it is a matter of priorities. Let’s focus on the greater evil.

    3. In times of trouble and extreme peril, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. As uncomfortable as that may be, it is a oft told story in the annals of world history.

    4. Regardless of any specific individual or corporate shortcomings, the Israelis are our allies. They are also on the front lines in a war it is in America’s existential interest to win. It is not only harmful to America but basically immoral to just willy nilly pull the plug on allies.

    5. Regardless of any specific or particular faults, the Jews have had a 100% solid claim to the Holy Land for THOUSANDS OF YEARS. The Arabs have 0% claim, and even that for only hundreds of years. A righteous and just solution is to kick out all Arabs/Muslims from at least all the land between Syria and Egypt north and south, and Jordan river and Mediterranean sea east and west. Any thing “better than that” is just gravy for the Arabs/Muslims and they should be appreciative. The records are clear and available. Just itemize the top-level history of the region from Moses forward. You would have to deny the true history and get sucked into a huge whirlpool of Muslim BS to come out with any other answer.

    Bottom line – as succinctly as I can say it with another lesson from history – complaining about the Israelis is “fiddling while Rome is burning”. Not all your facts are wrong – but just wrong time, wrong place, wrong focus, and wrong priority. I just don’t want to be diluted with that stuff. Just not on my radar right now.

    PS – Many similar arguments apply to the Iranians. They are intent on the total destruction of Israel. Do not believe for a second that they are powerless or benign. The leaders of that country are a macrocosm of a suicide bomber. They don’t care if they ruin themselves, get killed, or absolutely destroy their own country – as long as they take Israel with them. M.A.D worked with the Soviets because they were rational and did not want to commit national or personal suicide. Iranian government is not rational and their particular interpretation of their religion teaches them that an Armageddon will usher in paradise.

    So, let us apply some wisdom to any theories or predictions about what Iran is up to. So – when it gets down to black and white – Israelis vs. Iranians – it is pretty obvious whose side to be on.

  108. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Dean M. | September 25, 2010 at 5:47 pm |

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    At the risk of getting you shot again – I will say that your ideas and theories have a lot of merit. Are they actually true? Who knows. But they make more sense than most any other theory.

    And I think I will take one of your comments out of context and apply it to your whole theory. You said you did not read “the book” because you thought it was made up. But then you said that you read it or at least parts of it anyway because there might still be some nuggets hiding in it. I would say your whole theory ought to be treated the same way. Even for people who don’t believe it or have other motives for rejecting it, they ought to think about it deeply and carefully in the quest for nuggets.

    That seems like an Honest Seeker thing to do. Just pizzing on it straight away seems like a “closed and entrenched” thing to do.

  109. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Prairie | September 25, 2010 at 7:16 pm |
    FS,

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    Insane statements and mocking for the sake of mocking should be beneath the dignity of posters wishing to be taken seriously.

  110. ms. helga | September 25, 2010 at 11:13 am |
    ==============================
    re your questions relating to Bobby Jindal

    1. Bobby Jindal is a citizen of the USA because his parents were immigrants at the time he was born. They had not been naturalized hence he is not NBC.

    2. Bobby Jindal has consistently stated that he does not intend to make a run for POTUS – it seems that he has more sense than people who keep bringing up his name.

    ==================================

    I think that one point needs to be made here and that is the case of precedent. This belongs to the courts, not what is done by candidates for POTUS.
    By this I mean that even though we know that Øbama is not NBC, there is no excuse for either side being willing to run a candidate who does not meet the definition.

    I still believe that the situation of John McCain was quite muddied because he was born of citizen parents who were on a posting and he did not automatically gain citizenship of Panama. He is not a Panamanian. However, with Øbama he was endowed with British citizenship at birth.

    As such, with Bobby Jindal, he is a dual citizen because his parents were Indian citizens, and had not been naturalized when he was born.

  111. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) | September 25, 2010 at 9:52 pm |

    Thanks for saying so well what I would like to have said. Right now my attention is extremely divided because of an approaching deadline workwise, so I want to express the appropriate thoughts but cannot now take the time to do so. Within the scope and time restraints you just could not have laid out a better, well-rounded dissertation.

    The one thing I have several times reiterated and will do so again: This distinguishing between Zionists and Jews is as old as the books. It is an argument that will not hold up under critical, honest thinking.

    Of course, there are bad apples in every group of Jews, as well as in other societies, but to try to attribute the bad acts to Zionists and then have a supposed loving spirit to Jews is a contradiction.

    Okay, I’m going to say it and bring wrath down in fury: If you hate Zionists (as a blanket statement) then you hate Jews. Now, having said that, we should hate the evil deeds of Jews AND Gentiles alike.

  112. The Muslim agenda is a D I V E R S I O N….I’m more worried about the UN agenda than the Muslim agenda, which has become a smoke screen – a diversion – as to what is really happening to our sovereignty.

    I encourage any poster or lurker on this site to read some of Joan Veon’s extensive work on the UN’s agenda. She spent years attending their conferences all over the world and interviewing key people. We are well on our way with each and every executive order signed and every bailout approved, and every treaty/agreement to giving up our rights and freedoms for a return to life of serfdom. It’s all right there for those willing to see – national law has been replaced with international law. The Constitution has been replaced with The Earth Charter. The Bill of Rights has been replaced with a U.N. Charter. The recent UN Summit covering Millennium Project Goals on schedule for 2015 continue to rape this and other countries, destroying the middle class and redistributing the wealth. Check out the official website here: http://www.unmillenniumproject.org/ Look at what Hillary and “O” pledged on behalf of us, the U.S. taxpayers this week at the U.N. Summit. Add to that the sustainability garbage and the back door approach for Prince Charles’ Agenda 21 using a global to local approach so as to avoid any federal roadblocks , a result of his Mother Earth obsession – and worshiping of Gaia. Have you bothered to look at Michael Shaw’s site or watch his videos? Is your city on the list?

    And, you wonder why BP is desperately covering up the disaster in the Gulf. The WORST ecological disaster possibly in the history of the world. What would that do to Prince Charles’ agenda and his worship of Gaia that has changed the order on earth from God centered wherein man has dominance over the earth to one in which the earth has dominance over man. Sound familiar.

    John Holdren ring a bell?

    Joan Veon’s research finds that Prince Charles is the hidden power behind what is moving the world. Research it for yourselves, look up private-public partnerships, The Prince of Wales Business Leaders Forum, THE EARTH CHARTER, what Earth Day REALLY is, The Report from Iron Mountain, for starters.

    Don’t take my word for any of this. Look it up yourself. You may find answers to many of the questions you’ve had that defy logic.

  113. Aussie | September 25, 2010 at 10:09 pm |

    McCain was born of 2 US Citizens on US Sovereign Soil (US Naval Base in Panama. McCain is a NBC. Jindal is not and of course Arnold is not. The Republican Party should acknowledge these facts.

  114. MOST disturbing fact of all is that Jindal is a Rhodes scholar. Look up Cecil Rhodes and what his foundation has accomplished through the structure of the U.N.

    His goal was to bring America back under British control. Trustees of the fund he left behind for this purpose were members of the British aristocracy – who were the brains behind the League of Nations, to reappear later as the U.N.

  115. CW,

    may want to check your “spam” folder. I think my earlier post may have been diverted. No problem, it happens occasionally. Thanks.

  116. Citizen Carlyle FUBO………………………….
    Do you suppose that ALL IRANIANS, and the rest of the ARABS are really the sons and daughters of Abraham? THAT HAS BEEN A LONG STANDING QUESTION IN MY MIND.

  117. …………….AND THERE WILL BE CRAZY ARABS EVERYWHERE, BECAUSE ABRAHAM WAS NOT ABLE TO KEEP HIS PANTS ZIPPED UP

  118. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    oldsalt79 | September 25, 2010 at 11:25 pm |

    Citizen Carlyle FUBO………………………….
    Do you suppose that ALL IRANIANS, and the rest of the ARABS are really the sons and daughters of Abraham? THAT HAS BEEN A LONG STANDING QUESTION IN MY MIND.

    ===================================

    I am not an expert in the details of those particular things. (Unlike some people here, I have the moral wherewithal to not pontificate on things I know nothing about.) However, with that caveat – it is my understanding that by all scholarly analysis and their own self-narratives:

    1. Jews are the offspring of Isaac – and most specifically Isaac’s son Jacob, who was named Israel. The tribes of the nation of Israel being named after the sons of Jacob.

    2. Arabs are the offspring of Ishmael, Abraham’s son via a concubine. I do not know if the Arabs are further divided into groups or tribes based on the progeny of Ishmael.

    3. Iranians are Persians and not Arabs. Some say Persians are also descended from Abraham, but I am not aware of such a strong tie or proof as for Jews or Arabs.

    Remember also that Persians once ruled the world and have the cultural memory of that. Arabs have never ruled the world. And when Persians ruled the world they were not Muslims.

    That is roughly how I understand it. I will defer to anyone with actual credentials in this area.

  119. Free Speech | September 25, 2010 at 10:49 am |
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    Whilst I do not agree with Dean’s analysis I do think that as an alternate theory it does deserve some merit. That being said, here are my observations:

    1. Malcolm X – did Ann Dunham get to meet Malcolm X? I do not know but she had the opportunity to meet him when the Dunham family lived on Mercer Island in Washington State. The family did not move to Hawaii until 1960 because Stanley Dunham took a job in a furniture store, and Ann was forced to enrol at Hawaii U. Anyway, such a meeting is an open question.

    2. It is possible to do DNA testing on the relatives of both Malcolm X, Frank Marshall Davis and Øbama sr and compare this to the DNA of Barry Soetoro. If such testing was done, this would clear up the subject of paternity. (I do not accept the theory of FMD being Bo’s father).

    3. Sometimes the best explanation is the simplest but most overlooked – Ann met Øbama sr in her first year at the Uni of Hawaii. I believe that was in 1960 and not 1959 as some claimed. One person has come forward and verified that he had seen Ann with Øbama sr – Nei Abercrombie. It is more than likely that she was impregnated by him, and not Malcolm X. However, Ann was not aware that he was already married with a wife in Kenya. That surprise came later.

    4. Whilst place of birth seems to be a pre-occupation with some, I think that the fact that his father was a Kenyan and British citizen should have been enough evidence that he was not NBC.

  120. @JustMe,
    it seems that you have no real knowledge of what it means to be a Rhodes scholar.

    Australia has many of these Rhodes scholars. The former Prime Minister Robert J. Hawke was a Rhodes scholar and the present Leader of the Opposition, Tony Abbott was a Rhodes scholar.

    What it means is that they were awarded a scholarship to study overseas, at Oxford University. Both of these gentlemen have degrees in economics at the Bachelor level. Tony Abbott had the combined Economics and Law Degree. Tony Abbott went to Oxford University where he studied Political Science.

    This is a very worthwhile scholarship and there is nothing sinister about anyone being awarded a Rhodes Scholarship.

    As far as Bobby Jindal is concerned, the fact that he is a Rhodes scholar is evidence of his superior intellect – an intellect that is superior to that of Øbama.

  121. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) | September 25, 2010 at 11:50 pm |
    (I just popped in and saw Old Salt’s post and yours as well)
    You got it right, according to my knowledge. The Persians are not Arabs and did rule the known world at one time. In fact, in the book of Daniel in the Bible, the writing on the wall was a warning that the Babylonian kingdom was coming to an abrupt end, because the Medes and Persians would conquer it.
    The prophecy came true and is now history. Then according to future visions which Daniel had, the next kingdom to rule was Greece, followed by Rome, all being fulfilled. There is a whole lot more yet to be fulfilled, and that is exciting indeed.

    The Arabs have been a thorn in the side of Israel from day one, and God foretold that this would be so. The intense hatred was predicted when Ishmael and Isaac were born. It was there between Esau and Jacob and has continued down through the centuries.

  122. @FS,
    There seems to be some people who state that McCain was not born on the Navy base but in Panama itself. Personally, I believe that this should make no difference because he was born of citizen parents who were performing duties overseas.. and I believe that he is NBC… it would be nice to get it cleared up though :)

    Bobby Jindal is clearly not NBC. His parents had just arrived in the USA when he was born. They were not citizens of the USA at the time of his birth. He is a citizen per the decision in Kim Wong Ark, but not NBC.

    Arnie was born in Austria. He was a migrant to the USA. He became a citizen. However, he is not NBC… that should be all there is to say on Arnie the Governator.

  123. @Cabby,

    I concur that the Iranians are Persians and they are not Arabs.

    The king that most people know who is related to Persia is King Cyrus. He is the one who freed the Jews from slavery in Babylon and allowed them to return to Jerusalem to rebuild the Temple.

    The Persian Empire was later than that of both Assyria and Babylon. The most important town of Assyria is that of Nineveh.

    What is interesting though, is that Abraham came from the region of Mesopotamia prior to moving to what was known as Israel. He lived in the land between the Tigris and the Euphrates. This is the land that we know today as Iraq.

  124. Aussie | September 26, 2010 at 12:37 am |
    Came back again and read your post. You said and rightly so, “What is interesting though, is that Abraham came from the region of Mesopotamia prior to moving to what was known as Israel. He lived in the land between the Tigris and the Euphrates. This is the land that we know today as Iraq.”
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    Isn’t it interesting stuff? All of those centuries ago Abraham was called to leave that ancient land (well, all of it is ancient) and move toward a land that God would show him. You know, when I think back upon those times so long ago, it makes me feel rather insignificant in the grand scheme of things. Somehow, we in the western world feel so important at times (and we are) but forget the vast experiences of those who have lived before. That area between the Tigris and Euphrates is aptly called the “cradle of civilization.”

  125. The God of Abraham also cared for Ishmael, Abraham’s son.

    from Genesis 21

    17 God heard the boy (Ishmael) crying, and the angel of God called to Hagar from heaven and said to her, “What is the matter, Hagar? Do not be afraid; God has heard the boy crying as he lies there. 18 Lift the boy up and take him by the hand, for I will make him into a great nation.”

    19 Then God opened her eyes and she saw a well of water. So she went and filled the skin with water and gave the boy a drink.

    20 God was with the boy as he grew up. He lived in the desert and became an archer.

  126. @Cabby
    yes it is very interesting. I can just remember the first time I learned about Ancient History in first form (year 7 to you) at school. We had this one book (which has now gone missing) that covered these ancient civilizations through to Greece and Rome. I can remember that this area between the Tigris and the Euphrates was wiped out in a flood.

    Now read this passage from Scripture:

    “Terah took his son Abram, his grandson Lot the son of Haran, and his daughter in law, the wife of Abram, and made them leave Ur of the Chaldeans to go to the land of Canaan. But on arrival in Haran they settled there.”

    God then called Abram to leave Haran and to continue to Canaan.

  127. Hagar was promised that Ishmael would be a father to a great nation. That nation or nations encompasses the Arabs … keep reading… or at least get to the truth here:

    Hagar was the “handmaiden” or slave of Sarah who was probably an Egyptian. Abraham and Sarah had lived in Egypt for a time.

    Sarah was barren, had not been able to bear a child. It was she who doubted and suggested to Abraham that he gets Hagar pregnant and that the child was to be “birthed upon her knees”. In other words Hagar was to be a surrogate mother. That was not God’s plan. Hagar was not Abraham’s wife and could not be described as a concubine either.

    Chapter 21 ends: “He grew up and made his home in the wilderness, and he became a bowman. He made his home in the wilderness of Paran, and his mother chose him a wife from the land of Egypt”…

    This little detail is important but it is overlooked by most people. It is important because it ties in with the story of Joseph and his brothers.

    “Looking up they saw a group of Ishmaelites who were coming from Gilead, their camels laden with gum…..”

    Genesis is a very rich resource because we learn something about the tribes of the Middle East. Many of those tribes were the enemies of the Hebrew people.

    Unless one believes that Scripture must be taken literally, rather than literally and figuratively , then one can some of what is being stated in this story form regarding these tribes. Yet one thing stands out: that the Chosen People came through the line of Isaac not Ishmael.

  128. !?!! | September 26, 2010 at 2:59 am |
    The God of Abraham also cared for Ishmael, Abraham’s son.
    ****************************
    Yes!! To me this is one of the most beautiful, touching events in Genesis. Hagar and her son had been sent out from the presence of Sarah and Isaac because Ishmael was mocking Isaac and was a great source of irritation to Sarah. The picture of Hagar’s despair as her son is dying – and then God opening a spring of water to sustain their lives. … And as Aussie has pointed out accurately – God made a promise that Ishmael’s seed would also be very great. To me, these are tremendous truths. Thanks for sharing, both !?!! and Aussie. Goodnight, All!

  129. Aussie,

    it seems to me that you spend a lot of time telling others they don’t know what they’re talking about. I’m not surprised that Australia’s leadership is loaded up with Rhodes scholars. Maybe not a problem for your country, who has strong ties to Britain. It may well be for this country, though.

    I have spent a number of weeks studying the likes of Cecil Rhodes and what his life long dream was. There’s probably plenty of info on the Internet for those interested. I read about him in several books I own about the history of Britain and the elite families such as the Rothschilds. The word used was a “reunification” – Britain with America. That IS being done – it began back in 1945 with the signing of the UN Charter. The history is there for all to read.

    We have been so snookered on so many levels at seemingly at every turn, while our country slips through our fingers – at this point looking up the background on Cecil Rhodes and what it means for leaders to be a Rhodes Scholar is part of making an informed decision.

  130. I had to get the thing about Abraham in because I thought that it would get some attention. VOILA………It did get some attention. Even that of Citizen Carlyle,who in all of his/her candor,and grand knowledge explained it all in a most poignant, and explicit manner. Thanks for the detail Carlyle. Perhaps the atmosphere will remain clear at least for awhile. LOL
    ********************************************************************
    While I am here I am wondering why the largest percentage of people in the world who peddle two wheeled locomotion do not ride unicycles. The only place that I have ever witnessed the riding of unicycles is at the CIRCUS. Of course I am not saying that they aren’t ridden anywhere else. I am only saying that the only place where I wittnessed unicycles was at the circus.Yet it would seem that unicycles like bicycles,once mastered,would probably be quite easy to ride. In the old Ringling Bros. Circus there was unicycles that were quite tall as I remember. Some that appearred to be at least 8′ in height. I always wondered why anyone would want to ride such device. But then why did anyone want to ride some of the very old large diameter wheeled devices that were often seen in the streets of Britain,and New York in the late 1800s through the early 1900s. I guess it all comes down to challenge. RATHER INTERESTING DIVERSION DON’T YOU THINK? BY THE WAY, I STILL PREFER THE .500 BARRETT M 107. SMALLER CALIBRES ARE EFFECTED MORE BY WINDAGE AT LONG RANGE. INTERESTINGLY BY COMPARISON THE OLD SHARPS BUFFALO RIFLES WERE MOST OFTEN IN WILDCAT CALIBRES OVER .400 FOR WELL FOUNDED REASONS. MUZZLE VELOCITIES AT LESS THAN 2000 FPS USING SMALLER CALIBRES WOULD NOT BE CONDUSIVE WITH 1000 YARD SHOTS. IN ADDITION THE OLD TELESCOPIC SIGHTS DID NOT ALLOW FOR THE ELEVATION ADJUSTMENT THAT WOULD BE NEEDED. LATER SCOPES DID. I TEND TO BELIEVE THAT THE ALLEGED 1000 YARD BLACK POWDER KILLING SHOTS WERE SOMETIMES VERBALLY S-T-R-E-T-C-H-E-D A LITTLE WHEN THEY WERE TELLING ABOUT IT. I WON’T SAY THAT 1000 YARD BLACK POWDER SHOTS DIDN’T OCCUR,BECAUSE I AM SURE THAT ON OCCASION THEY DID. TODAYS MUZZLE VELOCITIES ARE OFTEN OVER 3000 FPS. BUT THE LARGER CALIBRES ARE STILL OFTEN MAINTAINED AROUND THE 2000+ AREA. MY MODEL 70 SUPER EXPRESS IS CHAMBERED FOR .458 WINCHESTER. THEY WERE ORIGINALLY PRODUCED ONLY UP TO .375. IN ALL PROBABILITY A WEATHERBY 300 MAG WOULD HAVE BROUGHT DOWN A BROWN BEAR AS WELL. MAYBE EVEN A WELL PLACED SHOT FROM A GOOD OLE THUTY- THUTY BUT THE LAST THING ANYBODY WANTS IS A WOUNDED ADULT BROWN BEAR TO DEAL WITH. SOME EARLY SCOPES DID NOT USE A RETICLE ADJUSTMENT. THE EARLY SCOPES WERE MORE INTENDED FOR SPOTTING PURPOSES.THERE WAS AN ARTICLE PUBLISHED IN AMERICAN RIFLEMAN I BELIEVE ABOUT 1958,OR1959 THAT EXPLAINED THE OLD SCOPES IN DETAIL AS I REMEMBER. I STILL HAVE MANY OF THE OLDER MAGS. JUST NEED TO LOOK THROUGH THEM. I WILL TRY TO LOCATE THE ISSUE WHEN I FEEL UP TO IT.

  131. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    oldsalt79 | September 26, 2010 at 11:09 am |

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    Wow, that was quite a train of thought – a bit of Free Association, perhaps?

    LOL

  132. @OLDSALT,

    The Abraham connection of course is interesting because the Muslims like to make the claim that they are the Chosen People through Hagar and Ishmael. It is even claimed that Mo the Pedophile came from the line of Ishmael…. Well unless Ishmael’s descendents spread to Yemen, that in itself is doubtful… The connection itself is nebulous :)

    That being said, we only have to see how it is written in Genesis to understand the meaning. Each incident associated with various tribes has some meaning, right down to Canaan who is the the son of Ham through Noah’s wife.

  133. @JustMe,
    you are seeing conspiracies where there is no conspiracy. That is a real problem when people keep on seeing conspiracies. Cecil Rhodes should be a well known name. Have you ever heard of Rhodesia? It was named after him. That name has changed again and that country is now in ruins.

    Also, please read my lips (keyboard). Bobby Jindal is not eligible to be POTUS.

    Also, the Rhodes scholarship allowed him to study at Oxford University to gain a higher qualification.

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