Rahm Emanuel ineligible, Cook County Appeals Court reversal, Residency requirement, One down one to go

Rahm Emanuel ineligible, Cook County Appeals Court reversal, Residency requirement, One down one to go

From the Chicago Tribune January 24, 2011.

“Rahm Emanuel should not appear on the Feb. 22 mayoral ballot, according to a ruling issued by a state appellate court today.

At a news conference, Emanuel said he would appeal the decision to the Illinois Supreme Court and ask the state’s highest court for an injunction so that his name will appear on the mayoral ballot.

“I have no doubt at the end we’ll prevail in this effort,” Emanuel said. “We’ll now go to the next level to get clarity.”

“I still own a home here, (I) look forward to moving into it one day, vote from here, pay property taxes here. I do believe the people of the city of Chicago deserve a right to make a decision about who they want to be their next mayor,” Emanuel said.

In a 2-1 ruling, the appellate panel said Emanuel does not meet the residency requirement of having lived in Chicago for a year prior to the election. The judges reversed a decision by the Chicago Board of Election Commissioners, which had unanimously agreed that Emanuel was eligible to run for mayor.

“We conclude that the candidate neither meets the Municipal Code’s requirement that he have ‘resided in’ Chicago for the year preceding the election in which he seeks to participate nor falls within any exception to the requirement,” the majority judges wrote. “Accordingly, we disagree with the Board’s conclusion that he is eligible to run for the office of Mayor of the City of Chicago. We reverse the circuit court’s judgment confirming the Board’s decision, set aside the Board’s decision and … order that the candidate’s name be excluded (or, if necessary, removed) from the ballot.”
The majority opinion was written by Appellate Justice Thomas E. Hoffman and concurred with by Presiding Appellate Justice Shelvin Louise Marie Hall.

Appellate Justice Bertina E. Lampkin wrote a dissenting opinion.”

Read more:

http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/clout_st/2011/01/appellate-court-says-emanuel-should-be-removed-from-ballot.html

From the court ruling:

“WALTER P. MAKSYM and THOMAS L.
McMAHON,
Petitioners-Appellants,
v.
THE BOARD OF ELECTION
COMMISSIONERS OF THE CITY OF
CHICAGO, et al.,
(RAHM EMANUEL,
Respondent-Appellee).”
“JUSTICE HOFFMAN delivered the judgment of the court, with
opinion.
Presiding Justice Hall concurred in the judgment and opinion.
Justice Lampkin dissented, with opinion.”
“Subsection 3.1-10-5(a) of the Municipal Code sets forth two
qualifications for candidates: it states that a candidate must be
“a qualified elector of the municipality and [must have] resided in
the municipality at least one year next preceding the election.”
65 ILCS 5/3.1-10-5(a) (West 2008). These two qualifications are
stated separately and in the conjunctive.”
“As we have observed, the “reside in” requirement is stated
separately from, and in addition to, the requirement that he be a
qualified elector of Chicago in order to be a candidate for
municipal office. The fact that the two requirements are stated
separately and in the conjunctive leads to the inference that the
legislature intended that they be considered separately from, and
in addition to, each other.”
“Based on the foregoing analysis, we conclude that, under
subsection 3.1-10-5(a) of the Municipal Code, a candidate must meet
not only the Election Code’s voter residency standard, but also
must have actually resided within the municipality for one year
prior to the election, a qualification that the candidate
unquestionably does not satisfy. Because the candidate does not
satisfy that standard, he may be eligible for inclusion on the
ballot only if he is somehow exempt from the Municipal Code’s
“reside in” requirement.”
“For the foregoing reasons, we conclude that the candidate
neither meets the Municipal Code’s requirement that he have
“resided in” Chicago for the year preceding the election in which
he seeks to participate nor falls within any exception to the
requirement. Accordingly, we disagree with the Board’s conclusion
that he is eligible to run for the office of Mayor of the City of
Chicago. We reverse the circuit court’s judgment confirming the
Board’s decision, set aside the Board’s decision, and, pursuant to
Supreme Court Rule 366(a)(5) (Ill. Sup. Ct. R. 366(a)(5) (eff. Feb.
1, 1994)), order that the candidate’s name be excluded (or, if
necessary, removed) from the ballot for the February 22, 2011,
Chicago mayoral election.
Reversed.”

http://www.state.il.us/court/opinions/AppellateCourt/2011/1stDistrict/January/1110033.pdf

One down, one to go.

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161 responses to “Rahm Emanuel ineligible, Cook County Appeals Court reversal, Residency requirement, One down one to go

  1. This can only be seen as a major blow to BO.

  2. Pray he will not win on appeal. May God start exposing ALL of the devious,lying,corrupt,fraudulant,so called leaders???God loves TRUTH

    SEE VIDEO OF ANTI -AMERICAN SONG PLAYED AT THE LAVISH STATE,COMMIE DINNER http://WWW.COMMIEBLASTER.COM
    You mean our PRES ??? DID NOT ACKNOWLEDGE THIS AND CONDEM THIS ??????

  3. The Accidental Birther or Born in the U.S.A.?

    http://www.thebraziltimes.com/blogs/1487/entry/39434

  4. So who in Chicago is going to “commit suicide” suddenly?

  5. READ WHO IN CONGRESS ARE MARXISTS RIGHT ON PAGE

    AMERICAN CITIZENS DID NOT KNOW THESE 70 TO 80 CARD MEMBERS ARE MARXISTS,VOTER FRAUD ?? CALL ISSA AND LEADERS.DO THEY KNOW THEY ARE SITTING AMONG THEM?????
    http://WWW.COMMIEBLASTER.COM
    READ WHO HAS KGB TIES ALSO

  6. BIG QUAKE COMING SOON ??? THIS IS SCARY http://WWW.REPUBX.COM

  7. Philo-Publius

    da verg | January 24, 2011 at 4:43 pm |

    don’t look now folks but every since the hawaii governor screw up has hit the newlines
    obama poll numbers have risen 10 points

    americans seem to be rallying around the beleaguered president on this issue like they did around clinton and his bimbo’s fiasco for some sick reason

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    “…the framers…understood that for liberty to exist the populace needed to be educated enough to understand liberty and to be able to defend liberty…”
    — Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas

    “It [the Constitution] may, nevertheless, perish in an hour by the folly, or corruption, or negligence of its only keepers, THE PEOPLE. Republics are created by virtue, public spirit, and intelligence of the citizens.”
    – Justice Joseph Story, 1789 (Life and Letters of Joseph Story, Vol. 2, pg 139)

  8. Does this mean that some where some how at least some judges are growing a pair?

  9. LOL!

    http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/clout_st/2011/01/appellate-court-says-emanuel-should-be-removed-from-ballot.html

    Attorneys for Rahm Emanuel late today asked the Illinois Supreme Court to prevent Chicago elections officials from printing ballots for the Feb. 22 mayor’s election without his name.

    Emanuel’s legal team also said they will ask the state’s highest court on Tuesday to hear their appeal of a decision by an appellate court today to knock him off the ballot on the grounds he doesn’t meet residency requirements.

    Chicago elections officials said today they have to begin printing the 2 million or so ballots needed for the election as well as preparing electronic voting machines for early voting that begins next Monday.

  10. Alan Nathan – Obama Has A Constitutional Requirement To Prove He Is A Natural Born Citizen

  11. Philo-Publius

    Fickle independents are returning to Obama because they like what they have been hearing since the Nov election. Educated voters know its all just words (lies) and those words (lies) helped him get elected. Yet his actions for two years spoke a different tune and revealed Obama for the socialist he is. What makes these independents think he has changed?

    Are they that stupid? YES!!

    Actions once again, speak louder and Obama is up to his old tricks.

    Renewed Push to Give Obama an Internet “Kill Switch”

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501465_162-20029302-501465.html

  12. Just Posted at American Thinker

    Blog Friend says Ambercrombie told him “There is No Birth Certificate”. Lets watch Obama continue to Squirm and get Grayer and Grayer. How much Hair Colorer is there in Washington DC and Chicago?

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/01/friend_says_abercrombie_to_him.html

  13. http://dewdropwarriors.blogspot.com/2009_05_01_archive.html

    Before going to the Court House or the Sheriff’s Office, remind yourself of the rights “endowed by your creator.” You will be more confident and make a better presentation if you are familiar with the strong ground of your own position.

    Getting together to examine evidence of possible crimes by politicians and presenting evidence of such alleged crimes to the judiciary is “the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.”

    While citizen convened Grand Juries are not common in modern times they still have the full force of the Constitution and law.

  14. Philo-Publius

    Rob | January 24, 2011 at 7:16 pm |
    Alan Nathan – Obama Has A Constitutional Requirement To Prove He Is A Natural Born Citizen

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    That’s what LTC Lakin said.

    http://tinyurl.com/yah2gzn

    And we know what happened to him. Expect the same for anyone who pushes the issue until the courts do their duty and rule on the merits.

  15. Philo-Publius

    US Communist Leader Urges Unification With Democratic Party

    http://tinyurl.com/4858s4n

  16. http://www.chicagotribune.com

    Best coverage of the Rahm story. Ballots are to be printed now without Rahm’s name. If Supreme Court reverses he could be a write in; then he would need to give the good citizens of Chicago crash lessons on how to spell his name exactly. After the abuse of the electoral process by Zero and his minions, I say turnabout is fair play.

  17. Uh Oh BO!
    ———————
    Emudude | January 24, 2011 at 7:23 pm | Just Posted at American Thinker

    Blog Friend says Ambercrombie told him “There is No Birth Certificate”. Lets watch Obama continue to Squirm and get Grayer and Grayer. How much Hair Colorer is there in Washington DC and Chicago?

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/01/friend_says_abercrombie_to_him.html

    Abercrombie reportedly told him that he searched the relevant Hawaii hospitals using his powers as governor, and concluded, according to Evans, “There is no Barack Obama birth certificate in Hawaii, absolutely no proof at all that Obama was born in Hawaii.” After Abercrombie made such a fuss about finding the birth certificate, Evans concluded of his friend that he has “got some egg in the face.”

  18. BO already committed fraud when he had a forged COLB posted on the internet and alleged that his Long Form BC was on file in Hawaii. Abercrombie now admitting that there is no BC for BO on file in Hawaii is further evidence of fraud for which BO should be indicted now.

    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/06/how-to-start-and-lead-citizens-grand.html

  19. Citizenwells,
    You’ll like this one also!

    KETK TV in Texas Discuss Obama Birth Certificate

    http://www.westernjournalism.com/ketk-tv-in-texas-discuss-obama-birth-certificate/

  20. Serious question for serious thinkers – totally different topic.

    I would post this over at Miss Tickly’s but I can’t. But sometimes she reads here or maybe someone knows how to shovel this to her.

    I have read the entire pertinent laws/regulations on the HI vital records. While they clearly indicate the need for privacy on some DOCUMENTS, and while it is self-obvious that it would be imprudent to issue certified and sealed BC’s to other than the indicated person – it is equally obvious that the legislature intended for AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE of the records to be publicly available.

    The releasable data not only includes whatever documents are not particularly sensitive, but ALL index data. This data AT A MINIMUM includes the names/titles of the documents, the dates of filings or revisions, and the individual responsible. The regulation also seems to imply that adding notes or retrieving documents is also part of this index data. Accountants and IT professionals will recognize this as “audit trail”.

    To-date nobody has received this index data. And not for lack of trying. Many of us have formally requested it. I believe the most you get back when requesting index data on the name Obama, is a list of two or three people with that name who have records on file. A far FAR cry from actual index data.

    Further, the regulation not only spells out how to request the data via hardcopy or electronic, but it specifies an address and place where you can go look for yourself. The image and paradigm conveyed is something entirely like a “card catalog” in a library. A mechanism to see what is available and then “ask at the reference desk” for it.

    In this day and age, the mechanism may be a book or a computer screen, rather than “cards” – the the idea is the same.

    Has anybody ever gone to that place and availed themselves of this service? I have never heard a report back form anyone like that? If not, why haven’t any of our local HI friends tried it?

  21. GBAmerica | January 24, 2011 at 7:44 pm |

    It looks like BO’s Head Hawaiian “Cheerleader” screwed up bigtime.

  22. Free Speech | January 24, 2011 at 7:33 pm |

    BO already committed fraud when he had a forged COLB posted on the internet and alleged that his Long Form BC was on file in Hawaii.

    =======================================

    Can you tell us where he said these things? I have searched high and wide. He does not even say in his books where he was born. It was my understanding that Zero has managed to maintain plausible deniability of fraud in this. I do believe he signed at least one form that says that he attested himself as eligible. Given the legal definition confusion about the meaning of NBC, I think he still can argue plausible deniability. Further with his adoption by the Indians, he can now also say that he believes himself to be an American Citizen. (BTW – there has come forward NO OTHER even remotely believable reasoning about that adoption, other than what I just said.)

  23. Does anybody have a link to the Hawaiian laws prior to 1972 when a person could merely register with the state of Hawaii up to the age of 1?

  24. Amazingly the obots are still confused about The Definition of a Natural Born Citizen.

    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2011/01/definition-of-birther-and-definition-of.html

    There is a clear, concise definition of the term “Natural Born Citizen” in Vattel’s Law of Nations which was the principal legal reference book used by the Founding Fathers in writing the Constitution.

    “The natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens…it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.”

    There have been innumerable United States Supreme Court Decisions that have referenced Vattel’s Law of Nations as a resource in interpreting the original intent of the Founding Fathers when writing the Constitution.

  25. Free Speech | January 24, 2011 at 8:12 pm |

    Amazingly the obots are still confused about The Definition of a Natural Born Citizen.

    ================================

    Which Obots are you referring to this time? There seem to be SO MANY.

  26. This site will really inform as to what is really happening,and has been happening.
    Real Truth http://www.commieblaster.com

    anti-American song played at STATE DINNER.COMMIES LOVED IT.
    Anyone at the dinner denounce this ?? Founders would be horrified.
    Does Congress know this ??? They do not seem to know to much.
    Wonder if any New Republican Govs know this,any Tea Party Leaders??

  27. Under the RICO Laws, BO is guilty for each and every crime committed by his criminal co-conspirators in furtherance of their Criminal Conspiracy to DEFRAUD the American People, i.e., BO is guilty for Gibbs crime of posting a FRAUDULENT COLB on the Internet and falsely alleging that BO’s BC was on file in Hawaii.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racketeer_Influenced_and_Corrupt_Organizations_Act

    The Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (commonly referred to as RICO Act or RICO) is a United States federal law that provides for extended criminal penalties and a civil cause of action for acts performed as part of an ongoing criminal organization. RICO was enacted by section 901(a) of the Organized Crime Control Act of 1970 (Pub.L. 91-452, 84 Stat. 922, enacted October 15, 1970). RICO is codified as Chapter 96 of Title 18 of the United States Code, 18 U.S.C. § 1961–1968. While its intended use was to prosecute the Mafia as well as others who were actively engaged in organized crime, its application has been more widespread.

  28. It’s not Just O-Bots. It’s also Congress, CIA, FBI, NSA, all 9 Supreme Court Justices, All Officers in the U.S. Military (minus Lankin), every worker in the White House. Every Politician and their Aids in every State in the U.S. Shall I go on??

  29. Forgot, Its also every Lawyer, Judge, and Federal Judge that sits in every Court Room in the United States of America and the People that work for and with them.

  30. Free Speech | January 24, 2011 at 8:25 pm |

    ================================

    This is an election, not organized crime. This is the kind of thing that seems very easily pawned off on the lawyers. “Hey, I told them to take care of it, it is beneath my weighty dignity to deal in such minutiae. They assured me it was taken care of, I had no reason not to believe them”.

    Unless there is some public record or statement that I am not aware of, this would be VERY hard to pin on Obama. There are LOTS of expendable people who could be thrown under the bus before it gets anywhere near him.

    Now something like election fraud, foreign contributions, and especially identity fraud – these are things that it would be very difficult for him to distance himself from. Therefore much better for us to focus on.

    You are of course welcome to your opinion, but it is important that people know the layout of the whole land, and not just the parts you choose to focus on.

  31. truthbetold11

    He would make al capone look like a shoe shiner if he came in to power as a mayor

  32. Emudude | January 24, 2011 at 8:27 pm |

    ==============================

    You hit on very key points. It is not whether you or I “know” what NBC means, it is not even if Obama or Gibbs, or Holder knows. It is all about the PTBs. And yes it is quite obvious that they are either confused or oblivious. I will bet anything that no more than 1 in a 100 (and it is probably more like 1 in a 1000) PTBs could give the right answer off the cuff. And I don’t think they care. As long as the candidate is “somewhere in the ballpark”, they don’t really care – and they have no particular desire to see the definition clarified.

    As long as THAT MANY are confused – or maybe even criminally culpable – you can see how easy it would be to come to the conclusion that one were racist for wanting to pin the donkey tail on Obama alone.

    This is very near that line of “too big a crime to prosecute”. Which side of the line is hard to say. But it certainly seems to be the case that this is “too murky and too confusing to prosecute”. Of course, I may WISH that were not true, but alas wishes are not truth.

    Unless Obama falls down in not being a citizen at all, nobody will “get” him for being ineligible. And with that Indian adoption thing out there, I am beginning to worry that no matter what they find or don’t find in HI, that this is their ace in the hole.

    I am getting more and more convinced that those who have their ego invested in seeing Obama swing for being a treasonous usurper, are going to be bruised.

  33. Laurence O’Donnell who is taking over the Ubermann Spot is going ballistic over the fact that the Tea Party Caucus has just had a secret meeting with Justice Scalia. hmmmmmmm

    http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sugexp=ldymls&xhr=t&q=Scalia+meets+Tea+Party&cp=22&pf=p&sclient=psy&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=Scalia+meets+Tea+Party&pbx=1&fp=cd3ff84e4645b8ea

    Things are starting to speed-up.

  34. Emudude | January 24, 2011 at 7:23 pm |

    Just Posted at American Thinker

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/01/friend_says_abercrombie_to_him.html

    ======================================

    This whole Abercombie thing makes no sense to me. I cannot figure it out. Can’t get my head around anything at all that could be true.

    How could Abercrombie “discover” anything either way? How could he be “surprised”. Isn’t it almost impossible for him to open his mouth before he already knew the answer?

    And why would he go down this path to “help Obama” without first asking Obama if he wanted help?

    And even if you get past THOSE hurdles, wouldn’t the White House have called him within like 5 minutes and told him to knock it off and walk it back?

    I can think of no possible scenario or set of circumstances that would explain this.

  35. ms.helga | January 24, 2011 at 8:44 pm |

    Laurence O’Donnell who is taking over the Ubermann Spot is going ballistic over the fact that the Tea Party Caucus has just had a secret meeting with Justice Scalia. hmmmmmmm

    http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sugexp=ldymls&xhr=t&q=Scalia+meets+Tea+Party&cp=22&pf=p&sclient=psy&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=Scalia+meets+Tea+Party&pbx=1&fp=cd3ff84e4645b8ea

    Things are starting to speed-up.

    ———————————————
    Yes it is not mere coincidence that Rush demands that BO show his BC on Friday, then Abercrombie’s “friend” leaks that Abercrombie told him that there is no BC for BO on file in Hawaii.

    What next? It is revealed that one of BO’s forgers is testifying against BO.

  36. Free Speech | January 24, 2011 at 8:12 pm |

    Amazingly the obots are still confused about The Definition of a Natural Born Citizen.
    ***********************************
    FS, they are not confused, they are lying obfuscating criminals, and they know exactly what they are doing, and this fraud is HUGE! Gladly Hawaii’s covering for the usurper is crumbling, and the truth is marching on! Battle Hymn of The Republic.

  37. Justice Antonin Scalia: “…In fact, the whole theory of its (the Grand Jury) function is that it belongs to no branch of the institutional Government, serving as a kind of buffer or referee between the Government and the people.

    Justice William O. Douglas: “The Constitution is not neutral. It was designed to take the government off the backs of the people.”

    Abraham Lincoln: “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.”

    Mark Levin: “The possibility of impeachment does not immunize the president from criminal prosecution. He remains, at all times, a citizen of the United States who is answerable to the law.”

  38. bob strauss | January 24, 2011 at 9:01 pm | Free Speech | January 24, 2011 at 8:12 pm |

    Amazingly the obots are still confused about The Definition of a Natural Born Citizen.
    ***********************************
    FS, they are not confused, they are lying obfuscating criminals, and they know exactly what they are doing, and this fraud is HUGE! Gladly Hawaii’s covering for the usurper is crumbling, and the truth is marching on! Battle Hymn of The Republic.

    ———————————————–
    Exactly!

  39. Not sure if you have heard this yet but it’s 92 kqrs morning show interview

    Abercrombie’s friend say’s no birth certificate

  40. Now watching Rachel MaDCOW melt down on MSNBC. THE END IS NEAR.

  41. ms.helga | January 24, 2011 at 9:07 pm | Now watching Rachel MaDCOW melt down on MSNBC. THE END IS NEAR.

    ————————————————–
    Even the most loquacious obots are in speechless meltdown! LOL!

  42. ms.helga | January 24, 2011 at 9:07 pm |
    Now watching Rachel MaDCOW melt down on MSNBC. THE END IS NEAR.
    ——————————————————————————————-
    What is she saying?

  43. GBAmerica | January 24, 2011 at 9:09 pm | ms.helga,

    http://www.slate.com/BLOGS/blogs/weigel/archive/2011/01/24/last-call-the-bachmann-scalia-show.aspx

    Scalia left through a side door, not talking to reporters; he answered a question about what he’d said by saying “I told them to pay attention to the Constitution.”

  44. charlesmountain

    Breaking! WND.comHawaii official now swears:
    No Obama birth certificate

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=254401

  45. BO made a big mistake when he incited his Follower the Arizona Killer Loughner to assasinate Judge Roll. That sort of violence angers other Federal Judges and Justices.

  46. SeriouslySickOfObama

    Melissa,
    I cried when Hillary Clinton made her final speech. I will forever be devoted to her, but the DNC is a not my party, not now, not ever! The only Democrat I will mark my ballot for is Hillary Clinton. Do you remember the meeting on May 31, 2008 when they stole the delegates from Hillary Clinton? Did you remember seeing Donna Brazille on her Blackberry texting, guess who she was texting, ME! I have proof and I sent it to CW. Donna knew before that meeting started they were going to steal the NOM from Hillary, I sat here in my living room and cussed her out for over an hour during that meeting because she was not even paying attention, she was on her Blackberry!! Then the speech she gave about My Mama always said, well, that was preplanned, too!! They are all a disgrace except that one MAN that stood alone to defend Hillary Clinton, can’t think of his name off hand, but he was hero of the day, the rest of them as I told Donna could go to hell! To answer you other question, no, I don’t believe the Dem’s care about the vets, or the poor, women’s rights, but I believe an individual does by the name of Hillary Clinton. She was raised Republican, so the label of Dem is really in my opinion an Independent with a title, LOL!

  47. SeriouslySickOfObama

    CW, my response to Carlyle is in moderation bc it is so long answering his six questions. Could you free my post or email it directly to him. It is your choice however you want to do!!

  48. charlesmountain | January 24, 2011 at 9:20 pm | Breaking! WND.comHawaii official now swears:
    No Obama birth certificate

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=254401

    ———————————————————–
    WOW! BO’s BS has hit the fan and smacked BO back in his face!

  49. CW and My fellow bloggers,
    Abercrombie’s admission of no real birth record for Obama should be no suprise to anyone on this blog. This is the next balloon that Obama camp is sending up. They see the poll numbers rise, and figure it’s time to let everyone in on the little secret, HE WASN’T BORN IN HAWAII, HE WAS JUST REGISTERED THERE BY HIS GRANDMOTHER. His COLB is a forgery, but don’t worry it was ‘POLITICAL ADVERTISING’ and not really FRAUD or ELECTION FRAUD. The Judges whom cited it, were just “MISTAKEN” and “MISINFORMED”, and it didn’t matter anyway because us public PAWNS don’t have STANDING. Besides the Constitution just really DOESN’T MATTER ANYWAY because it’s OLD. I can already see November of 2012 from here!
    Pete

  50. Hawaii official now swears: No Obama birth certificate

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=254401

  51. Pete | January 24, 2011 at 9:45 pm |

    Not buying that BOGUS nbc Poll. The msnbc obots wouldn’t be in meltdown if all was well for their messiah.

  52. What was the msnbc melt down about?

  53. How partisan was it of Scalia to inform a Tea Party Caucus which was open to both Repulicans and Democrats? Less partisan than a certain Chief Executive’s remarks criticizing the entire Supreme Court at the last SOTU. How mortifying it must have been or the entire court to be lectured on The Constitution by a non-tenured lecturer on The Constitution?
    Thank you Homland Security for montorin my posts here an mssin wth my kyboard. There must not be any rea criminal to watch.

  54. charlesmountain

    Must See!!! Breaking!! Hawaii official now swears: No Obama birth certificate! Exposes fraud!! Wake up people its HERE!

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=254401

  55. Free Speech | January 24, 2011 at 9:27 pm |

    ====================================

    There is NO EVIDENCE whatsoever that either Commander Zero or any of his Flying Minkeys had anything to do with this. Your “over enthusiasm” for this is of the same ilk as the others side saying Sarah Palin did it.

    Further, there was indeed a good question early on who the target really was. After more details were known, there is no longer any doubt. The judge was collateral damage.

    The details are out there. You can look them up. You are doing nobody any good by spreading overblown or subsequently discredited theories.

    You of course are entitled to your opinions. I just think it is important that people know the rest of the story.

  56. Carlyle – you are either a provaceteur or a simpleton. You choose. I’ve read your posts over at Mario’s site which are full of baiting, and I just now finished reading the one above. Here is my reply and no, I will not hang around to await your response. I do not care what it is.

    Can you tell us where he said these things? I have searched high and wide. He does not even say in his books where he was born. It was my understanding that Zero has managed to maintain plausible deniability of fraud in this.

    A: Bother yourself to go to jbjd.wordpress.com and read the Memorandum of Complaints she drew up stating the facts, that is legal facts, regarding the COLB. These complaints can be found in the sidebar. Read them and learn.

    I do believe he signed at least one form that says that he attested himself as eligible.

    A: What are you talking about, he signed one? Which one, Carlyle? There are three of them – Snope’s, FC and DK. Please show the rest of us which one of the three he signed.

    Given the legal definition confusion about the meaning of NBC, I think he still can argue plausible deniability.

    A: What confusion are you talking about? There is no confusion other than by people like you who seem hellbent on stirring the confusion pot. Here is a graphic that I’m confident even you will understand – http://thedailypen.blogspot.com/

    Further with his adoption by the Indians, he can now also say that he believes himself to be an American Citizen. (BTW – there has come forward NO OTHER even remotely believable reasoning about that adoption, other than what I just said.)

    A: See me shaking my head. No where in the three sentences in Article II does it say “American Citizen” OR “being adopted” by an Indian tribe later in life thereby makes you legally eligible to run for POTUS.

    Indonesian law in the 60’s was clear – if you moved for some idiotic reason to Indonesia during this known police state, one had to become a citizen of Indonesia, period. They did not then nor now have reciprocation citizenship laws on the books. Therefore, their laws state CLEARLY that if it is a child UNDER the age of five, and they move to Indonesia, that child does not have to go through a formal adoption to receive state benefits e.g., an education. They become automatic citizens because their own parents had to do it , thereby renouncing former citizenship to whatever country. If over the age of five the parent(s) MUST/SHALL legally adopt said child PERIOD.

    Please Carlyle, your baiting must cease. You seem to have a bone to pick everyday. Why is that? If setting the record straight by your stating your facts and impressions, fine. Stick to those and please stop this relentless attack on a man we all know you do not care for and the same goes for him.

    We gheddit! The two of you can’t play in the same sandbox together. Well, accept that fact and also accept the fact that FS is going no where.

    It is what it is. Now, let it go and learn to post within this construct. And stop posting such misleading posts like the one I just shredded to pieces. No one here is stupid. We’ve been voracious students b/c we friggin care. So stop treating us like we’re a bunch of dimwits. We’re not!

    Goodnight!

  57. bob strauss | January 24, 2011 at 9:01 pm |

    ===============================

    Some are liars and criminals. Most are confused. How many PTBs do you know of who even understand the issue or want to understand it? They have all been assured by their staffs and lawyers that is is a non-issue and a political hot potato.

    Why do any of you find it threatening when I claim that many and most are confused? It seems like a non-controversial, general-knowledge sort of statement.

  58. Helen | January 24, 2011 at 10:29 pm |

    ===========================

    For all your self-proclaimed expertise and sophistication, your post is remarkable in that it totally misrepresents anything and everything I said.

    I am not sure I can explain it more clearly, so perhaps you can have another read of it.

    Finally, I bait no one – and I can play in the sandbox with FS – as long as he quits lying, misquoting, and attacking people. He is entitled to whatever opinions he wants. That is not the problem. How many times do I have to say it?

    Before you take his side – ask him to take the pledge. I did. I took it. I will live by rules of civil discourse.

  59. I’m guessing that Hawaii could say that Obama’s Birth Certificate was stolen at the same time his Kindergarten Paperwork was, by thief’s who didn’t want to see him as President. That will be the reason for the “Missing” Birth Certificate and to make up for it, they have to Issue him a new one. Wah-Lah, he is now a NBC born in America after much apologies to Obama.

  60. Carlyle – I’m taking no side. Sadly, you chose to read my post in such a manner. I deal in reality. The reality here is CW is not going to boot FS nor you. I gheddit. This is his decision as the owner of this blog. I can assure you, as the owner of my own blog, I’d never tolerate such upheavel that is affecting the strength or trust of my blogging community. The health and vibrancy of the community comes first, period, as far as I’m concerned. But that’s me.

    So, I deal with it and accept CW’s decisions.

    That said, do not blow smoke as an answer to my response to you above. I don’t do “smoke” so either respond or ignore. I’ll check back in tomorrow.

    Until then, seriously, goodnight

  61. Poor Rahm gets the boot….

    Rahm can always get a job at Chicago’s Mans Club!!

  62. On the Criminal Charge of Criminal Negligent Homicide, there is no question about the Guilt of both BO and Dupnik. BO failed to provide Judge Roll with adequate US Marshall Protection. BO Cohort Dupnik neglected to provide Congressman Giffords with protection from the BO Supporter Arizona Killer Loughner, despite the Fact that Dupnik was on notice that Loughner had threatened Congresswoman Giffords’ life. Furthermore, Dupnik failed to prevent the Homicidal Maniac Loughner from purchasing a Gun and Ammunition which he used to Murder several Innocent Arizona Citizens, including a 9 year old girl.

  63. Questions raised over Obama birth date

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=255297

    “Specifically,Obama rejected Ortega’s attack on the United States for the attempted Bay of Pigs invasion during the Kennedy administration by explaining: “I’m grateful President Ortega did not blame me for things that happened when I was three months old.”
    and
    “But the Bay of Pigs invasion happened in April of that year and the official birth date given forObama is Aug. 4, 1961. To have been born three months before the Bay of Pigs invasion would have placed PresidentObama’s birth date in January 1961.”
    ***********************
    A baby several months to a year fits with the account of a Mennonite missionary who told my relatives and me a story about a baby brought into the US from outside the US. Of course, there is no way to confirm this because she is deceased and proof would be non-existant because the baby was brought into this country as her presumed son on her passport. She was a Mennonite missionary serving in Indonesia,the married mother of two children of her own with a son close to the age of the baby she transported into this country. She came into the US to KS to deliver the baby, but was told to go back to her point of origin where she got the baby and re-enter the US delivering the baby to the two women in HI. She was sworn to secrecy about this but was talking through great pain and drugs about bits and pieces of this. I have no reason to doubt what she said, but whether that baby is the same baby we’re all interested in is simply unprovable, unless someone higher up already knows this. Just glad to see that Corsi is dogging all the angles on this mystery.

  64. SeriouslySickOfObama

    If the Gov. of Hawaii can not in fact produce the Birth Certificate, then it is his duty to go to Nancy Pelosi and demand to see what she certified, if it is in fact a BC from Hawaii that doesn’t exist from Hawaii, he is legally bond to contact all members of Congress to report the fraud, but will he do it?

  65. Charles Mountain @ 10:12 PM said:
    Must See!!! Breaking!! Hawaii official now swears: NoObama birth certificate! Exposes fraud!! Wake up people its HERE!

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=254401

    ********************
    Thank you, Charles Mountain. I see that Adams statement was sworn out a few days ago. Interesting to see this.

  66. SeriouslySickOfObama | January 24, 2011 at 9:31 pm |

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    Please do not send me a private response. This reprehensible situation deserves to be solved and solved in public. There are a number of faithful and patriotic bloggers that eagerly await what you have to say.

  67. It would now appear it will be Sarah v Hillary in ’12:

    http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=254401#ixzz1C0zMlvYt

  68. When you have a chance to breath and sleep it off – if you want – I will be glad to reiterate and explain each one of my valid and valuable points. You must admit that your first sentence and first paragraph were identical to the crap that FS does. So perhaps you can see my confusion about taking sides – imitation being the sincerest form of flattery.

    You seem to forget that I am as well read and knowledgeable on these topics as anyone. I have been at this as long as anyone here. You may of course agree or disagree with my opinions, but name calling and lashing out are not helpful.

    If you would like to have an intelligent discussion on these things point by point let me know.

  69. Sorry – above post was supposed to xref to Helen.

  70. SeriouslySickOfObama

    Carlyle, I said to CW that my post was in moderation because it was so long and it was his choice to approve it or send it to you and I don’t believe anyone is hanging around waiting on my reply to your lengthy questionnaire. It was out of respect not to fill the blog up with my extremely long response. So, nothing reprehensible about it, it was a simple response. I, personally believe the bloggers have grown tired of the back and forth and might welcome the exchange offline, but if you want it all public, fine, I said nothing that I did not say to be meant for public view. That is why it is in moderation awaiting CW to release it for public view. So, read more slowly next time before you jumped to conclusions that I wanted to send you a private message, I left that discussion to CW.

  71. Free Speech | January 24, 2011 at 10:55 pm |

    =========================

    Dupnik, probably. Zero, not so much. It is hard to see how this is a personal responsibility of Zero, in that he has agents that take care of these things. I doubt sincerely if Zero or any of his agents, really, had any idea of the danger brewing.

    I am greatly alarmed that this continued Obama Bashing – just for the sake of bashing – puts you and all of us by association in the same bucket as Bush Derangement Syndrome. Thereby painting us all as unworthy of being taken seriously.

    At some point – no matter who is the poster or commenter – we and I would hope CW needs to start questioning the motives of such things that are posted here.

    We and are quest are incredibly delicately balanced. We just don’t need to feed red meat to our antagonists.

  72. SeriouslySickOfObama | January 24, 2011 at 11:43 pm |

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    Oh, please – sorry sorry – do not misunderstand. It is the OVERALL SITUATION that is reprehensible, not you or your reply.

    And yes there are many that are eager to see if you can really help.

  73. Ted | January 24, 2011 at 11:36 pm |
    It would now appear it will be Sarah v Hillary in ’12:

    http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=254401#ixzz1C0zMlvYt

    —————————————-
    That’s a stretch but it is now certain that it will be Independents, Repubs et al vs Any-dem-but-BO and that BO will be in an undisclosed Prison during the 2012 Elections.

  74. charlesmountain | January 24, 2011 at 10:12 pm |

    Must See!!! Breaking!! Hawaii official now swears: No Obama birth certificate! Exposes fraud!! Wake up people its HERE!

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=254401

    =======================================

    Can somebody explain the practical import of this? It sounds like good news, but is it – or just another false hope? I mean having a signed affadavit is obviously better than just a phone conversation, but why did he do it? For whom, under what circumstances? Is this going to go anywhere or just into a round file somewhere.

    Does anybody know what happens next?

  75. SeriouslySickOfObama

    Carlyle,
    Thank you for clearing that up, I guess I could post piece by piece if so many really care what I have to say. Is that an option?

  76. charlesmountain

    Nothing means anything at all except that, Obama needs to get the hell outta Dodge as soon as F*&%King possible! Everything else is secondary…

  77. charlesmountain | January 24, 2011 at 11:55 pm |
    Nothing means anything at all except that, Obama needs to get the hell outta Dodge as soon as F*&%King possible! Everything else is secondary…

    ———————————–
    AMEN!

  78. SeriouslySickOfObama

    charlesmountain | January 24, 2011 at 11:55 pm |
    Nothing means anything at all except that, Obama needs to get the hell outta Dodge as soon as F*&%King possible! Everything else is secondary…
    +++++++++++++++
    From your keyboard to God’s Eyes!!

  79. SeriouslySickOfObama

    Your comment is awaiting moderation.

    Carlyle,
    I will try to answer you points one by one. Let me start off with the fact that I posted today that I did not come back to blogging to stand up for or to enable Free Speech. My only and sole purpose was to restore sanity to regain the respect that should be afforded to Citizen Wells work. I am very sorry if others believe I have a hidden agenda and came here to silence those that are not willing to tolerate Free Speech and his his manner of how he chooses to react to anyone that disagrees with him. I am not here now nor will I ever be here to defend Free Speech. I will start with your points and try my best to address them. This was my first statement this afternoon to express that some of you are taking my comments out of context and I stated this:

    Additionally, for those that believe I am standing up for FS, you are mistaken. You can’t cut out my entire text and only pick the part you did not like, I came back here to defend only one person, one man and that is CITIZEN WELLS!

  80. SeriouslySickOfObama

    Your comment is awaiting moderation.

    Carlyle,
    I will try to answer you points one by one. Let me start off with the fact that I posted today that I did not come back to blogging to stand up for or to enable Free Speech. My only and sole purpose was to restore sanity to regain the respect that should be afforded to Citizen Wells work. I am very sorry if others believe I have a hidden agenda and came here to silence those that are not willing to tolerate Free Speech and his his manner of how he chooses to react to anyone that disagrees with him. I am not here now nor will I ever be here to defend Free Speech. I will start with your points and try my best to address them. This was my first statement this afternoon to express that some of you are taking my comments out of context and I stated this:

  81. SeriouslySickOfObama | January 24, 2011 at 11:43 pm |

    I for one ” have grown tired of the back and forth” and would vote that all communications with him be offline.

  82. SeriouslySickOfObama

    CW, I tried to paste in parts to post and it still went to moderation, so delete the last two posts and just release the original when you can!!

    Sorry, It won’t let me post in parts even when I shortened it the 2nd try on the first paragraph!

  83. SeriouslySickOfObama | January 24, 2011 at 11:43 pm |

    His silly obession is really getting old. Eventhough his posts are ignored he never stops with his delusional obession. It does nothing but disrupt from intelligent discussion here.

  84. charlesmountain | January 24, 2011 at 11:55 pm |
    Nothing means anything at all except that, Obama needs to get the hell outta Dodge as soon as F*&%King possible! Everything else is secondary…
    —————————————————————————————–
    I laughed out loud when I read this…

  85. SeriouslySickOfObama | January 24, 2011 at 11:43 pm |

    We were having a very informative discussion on this thread despite his silly obsessive narcissistic rants but sure enough he has ruined another thread.

  86. Free Speech | January 25, 2011 at 12:06 am |

    SeriouslySickOfObama | January 24, 2011 at 11:43 pm |

    His silly obession is really getting old. Eventhough his posts are ignored he never stops with his delusional obession. It does nothing but disrupt from intelligent discussion here.

    ===================================

    I believe exactly the same thing. Who is right? But more importantly this is the kind of opinion making and dialog that they respectfully asked us to allow and not lash out. I am willing to abide by that. I stated my pledge. I ask you to take the same pledge. No lying, no misquoting, no attacks.

    Differences of opinions are not attacks. We each have the right to our own opinions and to express them. We each have a right to provide alternatives to the others opinions when we think they are wrong or incomplete.

    You are not the sole bearer of truth. You need to accept the fact that you may be wrong and others right. Anybody disagreeing with your opinions and conclusions is not mounting a personal attack against you or baiting you.

    Take the pledge.

  87. SeriouslySickOfObama | January 25, 2011 at 12:01 am |

    ================================

    It would seriously help if you read what I just posted to Free Speech. He attacked me yet again (silly, obsessed) for disagreeing with him. I quoted back to him what I believe you and CW have asked us to do. It would help if you verified that I understand correctly.

  88. Paxson | January 25, 2011 at 12:12 am |

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    Perhaps he will use the SOTU to announce his retirement?

  89. Free Speech | January 25, 2011 at 12:14 am |

    =================================

    silly
    obsessive
    narcissistic
    rants
    ruined

  90. SeriouslySickOfObama | January 24, 2011 at 11:43 pm |

    The best thing for the integrity of CW would be to have all communications with him be offline.

  91. Free Speech | January 25, 2011 at 12:25 am |

    ==================================

    Oh good, you are not only the sole Fountain Of Truth, but the official determiner of what is good for CW. Or did you mean to say “good for the integrity of FS”, as that is the only thing you could know about?

    Or – even worse, you consider them to be the same?

    This kind of “holier than thou” is also an attack. It says, “I have the inside track and my interests and CW’s interests are the same, and anybody who disagrees with FS is disrespecting CW”.

    You are one of about 100 frequent posters here. Like all the rest of us, your opinions are worth about 1/100th. no more no less.

  92. SeriouslySickOfObama

    Ok, BOYS, Don’t assume I am sitting here refreshing the page and monitoring comments, I just seen the post and Free Speech, that was not nice and you need not say things like that, it was inappropriate, if you felt you were defending me by the public statement versus the private, which is what I believe provoked your response, if not, I stand corrected, but Carlyle, don’t respond so harshly in return and stop talking about pledge, it is his free will to not take the offer. Let it go on that. I truly believe you two can find common ground if you just let go of the past or agree to ignore each other.

  93. SeriouslySickOfObama

    Nobody has the inside tract with CW, not even ME!!! I have no authority, no inside information, I am a blogger just like both of you and if my post ever gets out of moderation, you will see where I state that!

  94. Post&Email has a thought provoking post on Obama’s fatherhood

  95. SeriouslySickOfObama | January 25, 2011 at 12:34 am |

    ==================================

    I will not ignore attacks or bullying.

    It is also my duty, as it is for Free Speech, as it is for you, as it is for any other commenter here, to challenge opinions they think are erroneous or misleading to other commenters.

    I refuse to accept a condition that says I cannot comment on FS’s opinions because he has the most fragile ego here. We should all be adults.

    Yes it is FS free will if he wants to pledge or not. But if will not agree to no lying, no attacking, and no misquoting – then I have BY DEFINITION the high moral ground.

  96. SeriouslySickOfObama | January 25, 2011 at 12:34 am |

    I do ignore him. I never respond to his silly rants. How about it if CW puts any comment of his that refers to FS, Free Speech in moderation. That would be very helpful. There is no other way I can think to stop him from his personal attacks and attempts to bait.

  97. SeriouslySickOfObama

    May I suggest that you two take the rest of the night and fight it out, go for it, take another shot left and right until it is out of your system and you can verbal beat up each other once and for all, go for it, FIGHT IT OUT!! No one gets the High Moral Ground when you can’t compromise. Go ahead, I will refresh and not chose sides, I promise, GO FIGHT IT OUT until one of you breaks!

  98. SeriouslySickOfObama | January 25, 2011 at 12:45 am |
    May I suggest that you two take the rest of the night and fight it out, go for it, take another shot left and right until it is out of your system and you can verbal beat up each other once and for all, go for it, FIGHT IT OUT!! No one gets the High Moral Ground when you can’t compromise. Go ahead, I will refresh and not chose sides, I promise, GO FIGHT IT OUT until one of you breaks!
    ——————————————————————————————-
    Please don’t.

  99. SeriouslySickOfObama

    Free Speech | January 25, 2011 at 12:06 am |

    SeriouslySickOfObama | January 24, 2011 at 11:43 pm |

    His silly obession is really getting old. Eventhough his posts are ignored he never stops with his delusional obession. It does nothing but disrupt from intelligent discussion here.
    ———————-
    You posted that first, you did not ignore him when you posted that.

  100. SeriouslySickOfObama

    Carlyle,
    You did not have to respond to the comment, but since you keep referring to your freedom of speech, you did, so no high road, you make the choice to react.

    Paxson, if they don’t fight it out, it will never stop, sorry sweetie, you have a very kind, gentle soul, but these men are wearing too much on their shoulders to listen to reason.

  101. SeriouslySickOfObama | January 25, 2011 at 12:37 am |

    I know for a fact that CW respects you, SSOB. My only interest in commenting about your exchange with carlyle is to help maintain intelligent discussion here. You said it yourself SSOB, everyone is tired of the “back and forth.” CW could stop all this by putting the personal attacks and attempts to bait in moderation.

  102. SeriouslySickOfObama

    too much PRIDE, sorry left out a word

  103. SeriouslySickOfObama | January 25, 2011 at 12:50 am |
    Carlyle,
    You did not have to respond to the comment, but since you keep referring to your freedom of speech, you did, so no high road, you make the choice to react.

    Paxson, if they don’t fight it out, it will never stop, sorry sweetie, you have a very kind, gentle soul, but these men are wearing too much on their shoulders to listen to reason.
    ———————————————————————————————
    I’ve seen it a thousand times…it’s just stupid at this point. Eventually there is a point where you have to agree to disagree and stay out of each other’s way.

  104. SeriouslySickOfObama

    Free Speech,
    CW does in fact respect me and I wish I would receive the same from you and Carlyle. But, neither of you will bend. Someone has to be the better man and say enough is enough and officially ignore the other once and for all if there is ever to be a truce.

  105. SeriouslySickOfObama | January 25, 2011 at 12:45 am |
    May I suggest that you two take the rest of the night and fight it out, go for it, take another shot left and right until it is out of your system and you can verbal beat up each other once and for all, go for it, FIGHT IT OUT!! No one gets the High Moral Ground when you can’t compromise. Go ahead, I will refresh and not chose sides, I promise, GO FIGHT IT OUT until one of you breaks!

    —————————————
    Not interested. I prefer to simply ignore him and I would have continued to ignore him had it not been for the focus of attention on him regarding the response to his long questionaire.

  106. SeriouslySickOfObama

    I’ve seen it a thousand times…it’s just stupid at this point. Eventually there is a point where you have to agree to disagree and stay out of each other’s way.
    —————-
    Paxson, Exactly my point. Who will be the better man and take the high road and ignore whatever the other throws their way?

  107. SeriouslySickOfObama

    Free Speech,
    So, I have a firm commitment from you that you will ignore Carlyle forever and not respond to anything he posts?

  108. There is no need for agreements to disagree or pledges. I will continue to ignore him but obviously the only way to get him to ignore me is to put all his comments referencing me into moderation.

  109. SeriouslySickOfObama | January 25, 2011 at 12:55 am |

  110. SeriouslySickOfObama | January 25, 2011 at 12:55 am |

    Yes if all references to me by carlyle are put in moderation.

  111. SeriouslySickOfObama

    Free Speech,

    put all his comments referencing me into moderation.
    ————
    I do not believe CW will do that unless he puts both of you in moderation. He may do that, but that is time he is wasting and taking away from his work. How can you ask this man to stand guard over two grown men when he is fighting for US everyday, every hour, every minute?

  112. SeriouslySickOfObama

    Free Speech,
    Have you ask CW for that option, Have you Caryle? If I ask CW to put you in moderation with the keywords of Free Speech and Carlyle, do you think this will stop?

  113. SeriouslySickOfObama | January 25, 2011 at 12:55 am |

    SeriouslySickOfObama,

    My point is I have ignored carlyle since you first suggested it two days ago, but he continues to attack me personally by name and attempts to bait me incessantly, so the only way to insure that he stops the personal attacks and baiting is to put his comments where he references me in moderation.

  114. All this back and forth reminds me of a great book, Love & Respect. Men seek respect more than any other attribute, more than love. A man who feels no respect or disrespect can be inconsolable, irrational and angry. Unstable men who feel disrespected can be dangerous. A principal for Alinsky is ridicule, a powerful form of disrespect. This is disabling. In our dialog here, it behooves all to focus on issues and not ad hominem attacks. Most of us can handle differences of opinion, but each of us bristles when we are attacked and disrespected. So, each of us has an obligation to ignore, and discount, ad hominem attacks and those that make them, despite entreaties to play fair.

  115. SeriouslySickOfObama | January 25, 2011 at 1:02 am |
    Free Speech,
    Have you ask CW for that option, Have you Caryle? If I ask CW to put you in moderation with the keywords of Free Speech and Carlyle, do you think this will stop?

    ————————————————–
    Yes but you will have to add FS & LH & LPH to list for carlyle moderation to get him to stop his personal attacks.

    I certainly will continue to not mention carlyle and to ignore all his posts.

  116. SeriouslySickOfObama

    Free Speech,
    Email CW and request that. It is his decision. I have no authority to do speak on behalf of CW or make decisions, none!! Yes, he respects me, but I can’t counsel him on how to run his blog, its not my place. So, why don’t email CW, make your suggestions and see if he is willing to do so.

  117. SeriouslySickOfObama

    Bill G,
    A voice of reason!!

  118. SeriouslySickOfObama | January 25, 2011 at 1:02 am |

    Notice that once we focused on a practical solution to the problem, carlyle left the discussion and he will not pledge to not reference me by name in his posts?

  119. SeriouslySickOfObama

    This is all I have to say for tonight bc I am fasting for a blood test later today, but when my life is over and I have to count how many true friends I had in my lifetime, CW will be on that list I give to God. I respect him, I adore him, I love him as a friend. I want all this stress in his life to disappear so he can focus on his true passion, writing and exposing Obama. I would never spend one moment of my life creating any drama or trouble for him, I would leave his life before I would allow myself to be destructive to a man I deeply admire!

    Good Night Everyone and God Bless!

  120. SeriouslySickOfObama | January 25, 2011 at 1:16 am |
    This is all I have to say for tonight bc I am fasting for a blood test later today, but when my life is over and I have to count how many true friends I had in my lifetime, CW will be on that list I give to God. I respect him, I adore him, I love him as a friend. I want all this stress in his life to disappear so he can focus on his true passion, writing and exposing Obama. I would never spend one moment of my life creating any drama or trouble for him, I would leave his life before I would allow myself to be destructive to a man I deeply admire!

    Good Night Everyone and God Bless!

    ————————————————-
    I don’t know if you are aware of this but when I was falsely arrested by BO cohorts. CW stood up for me and I have immense respect for him also.

    I don’t like seeing his extradinary blog abused as it has been either and my comments have only been in the interest of helping to keep the focus on intelligent discussion.

  121. SeriouslySickOfObama

    Free Speech,
    I do know, I believe you were arrested right around the time they removed the first lump and I had to do one round of chemo. Then my kidney failed, plus with the diabetes, I have lived a merry go round and just now getting back to being me. CW was a constant friend and always had kind words to see me through. If you respect him as much as I, then please ignore Carlyle, no matter what he post, directly or indirectly. Please be kinder to people, I can see why you would be mad at the world for what happen to you, but people get their feelings hurt much easier than some others, I am bit*(, so I not much offends me, but you know others may not be able to handle harsh comments that you may not even realize you are saying, for example when you say Nonsense, to you that is just a word, to someone else, it wounds, do you understand what I am trying to say? I want to respect you, I truly do, I admire the fight you had to go through, so lets just be nice with others. In the end, that is all that matters, who we loved, how we treated others, don’t you agree?

  122. White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs: Birthers Aren’t Rational – 1/24/11

  123. Hollywood Reporter and Abercrombie friend Mike Evans: Hawaii Guv Neil Abercrombie told me NO Obama Birth Certificate in Hawaii – 1/20/11

  124. Good Morning!

    From The American Thinker:

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/01/friend_says_abercrombie_to_him.html

    Friend says Abercrombie told him, ‘There is no birth certificate!’

    ….Evans, Honolulu born and now a Hollywood-based celebrity journalist, claimed that Abercrombie had promised him that he when he became governor, he planned to find absolute proof that Obama was born in Hawaii.

    When Evans spoke to Abercrombie on January 19, Abercrombie reportedly told him that he searched the relevant Hawaii hospitals using his powers as governor, and concluded, according to Evans, “There is no Barack Obama birth certificate in Hawaii, absolutely no proof at all that Obama was born in Hawaii.” After Abercrombie made such a fuss about finding the birth certificate, Evans concluded of his friend that he has “got some egg in the face.”

    Curiously too, when Evans asked Abercrombie when he first encountered the young Barack Obama, Abercrombie reportedly said, “I remember him playing in a T-Ball league,” when he was roughly five or six years old….

  125. ObamaRelease YourRecords | January 25, 2011 at 5:52 am |

    Typical of the Insane BObots to project their own INSANITY on to sane rational Patriots who point out BObot LIES.

  126. Hawaii Official swears NO B C http://WWW.WND.COM PASS ON

    EMAIL THIS ONE,CALL CONGRESS AND GIVE SITE

    LOTS OF EYE OPENING TRUTH http://WWW.COMMIEBLASTER.COM

  127. SeriouslySickOfObama | January 25, 2011 at 1:35 am |
    Free Speech,
    I do know, I believe you were arrested right around the time they removed the first lump and I had to do one round of chemo. Then my kidney failed, plus with the diabetes, I have lived a merry go round and just now getting back to being me. CW was a constant friend and always had kind words to see me through. If you respect him as much as I, then please ignore Carlyle, no matter what he post, directly or indirectly. Please be kinder to people, I can see why you would be mad at the world for what happen to you, but people get their feelings hurt much easier than some others, I am bit*(, so I not much offends me, but you know others may not be able to handle harsh comments that you may not even realize you are saying, for example when you say Nonsense, to you that is just a word, to someone else, it wounds, do you understand what I am trying to say? I want to respect you, I truly do, I admire the fight you had to go through, so lets just be nice with others. In the end, that is all that matters, who we loved, how we treated others, don’t you agree?

    ————————————————–
    Actually I had decided not to us the word “nonsense” regarding “nonsense” bobot posts but rather to simply ignore “nonsense” posts as well.

    I do appreciate your thoughtful posts, SSOB and I am not as bitter as you might think despite the incredible injustices done to my family by BO cohorts. Whenever I get bitter, I think of Nelson Mandela who spent 27 years in Prison. Mandela’s story had a happy ending. Justice was done.
    Mine will too.

    BO will be legally removed and imprisoned for his hideous crimes.

    As Ghandi said, “There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall…”

  128. Liar in Chief set to give State of The Union Address, don’t be fooled by his lies.

    http://www.thepostemail.com/2011/01/23/meet-barack-hussein-obama-2-0/

  129. Rush is calling for Conservatives to boycott BO’s sou so that BO gets low ratings for his LIES.

    Rush will predict the LIES that BO will tell tonight and present the Truth about BO’s LIES tomorrow on his show.

  130. Rush is calling for Conservatives to boycott BO’s sou so that BO gets low ratings for his LIES.

    Rush will predict the LIES that BO will tell on his show today and present the Truth about BO’s LIES tomorrow on his show.

    So Conservatives will not miss anything by skipping BO’s but the aggravation of having to listen to BO’s sickening LIES.

  131. http://www.prisonplanet.com/ventura-lawsuit-tsa-pat-downs-classify-as-unlawful-sexual-abuse.html

    Former Minnesota Governor Jesse Ventura is suing the TSA and Homeland Security for humiliating and ‘offensive’ pat-down procedures he’s been subjected to during airport security checks that included ‘warrantless, non-suspicion-based offensive touching, gripping and rubbing of the genital and other sensitive areas of his body.’ Ventura, who had a hip replacement procedure in 2008, says he was unduly targeted due to his disability. His lawsuit, filed yesterday in Minnesota, claims the pat-downs violated his privacy, his 4th Amendment right and legally meet ‘the definition for an unlawful sexual assault’.”

  132. Notice how carefully Bobot Gibbs chooses his LIES now. Gone is the sarcastic, smug glib gibbs. Bobot Gibbs is very worried that he will soon be indicted for posting a forged COLB posted on the internet and falsely alleging that BO’s Long Form BC was on file in Hawaii. Abercrombie now admitting that there is no BC for BO on file in Hawaii is further evidence of fraud for which BO and Gibbs should be indicted now.

    http://www.politico.com/politico44/perm/0111/key_gibbs_takeaways_ef25f6e6-0d60-4f79-89bc-dfc5b86c0b3a.html

    “I think rational people have — have long ago, many when they first heard and saw the president, come to the conclusion of his citizenship,” he said.

  133. I read the Emanuel opinion and considered it well reasoned. The judges argued that words mean what they mean. ‘Reside in’ means to live there, not someplace else. It is different from residency for voting and tax paying purposes. ‘Reside in’ means a construct act, not just a condition. That fact that he rented his home and rented another in DC means he resided in DC. He cannot reside in two places at once. Federal law requires filing from the location where you spend the most time or more than six months. The exception for business of the government applies to elector status, not candidate status. The exception for candidate status applies to service in the military only, not government service. RE does not qualify for exceptions. He did not reside in Chicago. Not so complex to understand. Contrary arguments are based on feelings and what is right or fair, but not the law.
    If we could get a judges or Congress to look at the real meaning of words regarding NBC in Article II and apply it to Zero, without considering fear, feelings or what seems fair, we could start awakening from our long national nightmare.

  134. Gibbs admits to FRAUD.

  135. BO committed fraud when he had his forged COLB posted on the internet and falsely alleged that his Long Form BC was on file in Hawaii. BO should be immediately indicted for fraud.

    Contact your congressman, senators, County Sheriff, DA, State Legislators, Governor, and County Grand Jury Foreman and demand that they indict and prosecute BO and all his local co-conspirators for the Birth Document Forgeries and Fraud.

    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/06/how-to-start-and-lead-citizens-grand.html

    http://dewdropwarriors.blogspot.com/2009_05_01_archive.html

  136. SeriouslySickOfObama | January 25, 2011 at 12:45 am |

    ===================================

    You seriously misunderstand the situation and that is frightening and depressing. There is NO FIGHT. The issue is simple in the extreme:

    1. Free Speech wants Carlyle silenced because of his opinons.

    2. Carlyle wants Free Speech silenced because of his attacks,

    This is simple and concise. Disagreements of opinions are neither out of line nor “baiting”. Attacks are always unacceptable.

    That is the high moral ground.

    Yes, it is as simple as this.

  137. Paxson | January 25, 2011 at 12:52 am |

    ============================

    You too miss the point. Disagreeing is all right. I understand that. But FS doesn’t. The ONLY issue on the table is the ATTACKS.

    Let’s all focus on stopping the attacks.

  138. SeriouslySickOfObama | January 25, 2011 at 12:53 am |

    ===========================

    I will not ignore cold blooded attacks.

  139. Bill G.
    I agree.

  140. SeriouslySickOfObama | January 25, 2011 at 12:50 am |

    too much PRIDE, sorry left out a word

    ==================================

    Wrong.

    I accept that Free Speech has a right to state his opinions.
    Similarly, I have a right to state my opinions.

    Each of us has a right to challenge or question each other about opinions. Otherwise the first one to post on a topic would then be “end of discussion”. That is a great way to spread falsehood and prevent critical analysis.

    Nobody has the right to engage in personal attacks.
    No bullying, no lying, no misquotes, no name calling, no derogatory adjectives.

    It really is that simple.

    With my agreement to the above, how could it possibly be that I do not have the high moral ground? I do not want to silence FS’s opinions. I want to silence his attacks. THAT IS ALL!

    Why do people keep twisting the situation into an unrecognizable mush?

  141. Carlyle. I don’t care anymore. Please leave me alone and I wont get involved any more. You have issues.

  142. Free Speech | January 25, 2011 at 1:28 am |

    my comments have only been in the interest of helping to keep the focus on intelligent discussion.

    =================================

    Do you have any idea how big of an attack this is? How incredibly personally insulting. YOU are not the sole intelligent inhabitant of this blog.

    This kind of crap has got to stop.

    We all have something to say and it is not for you to determine the quality of “intelligence” of the comments. You may of course express an alternate opinion, or even say “I disagree”, but you cannot disparage the intelligence of the other commenters.

    THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE BEEN COMPLAINING ABOUT – not your opinions.

    This is really really simple.

  143. Free Speech | January 25, 2011 at 10:30 am |

    Notice how carefully Bobot Gibbs chooses his LIES now. Gone is the sarcastic, smug glib gibbs. Bobot Gibbs is very worried that he will soon be indicted for posting a forged COLB posted on the internet and falsely alleging that BO’s Long Form BC was on file in Hawaii. Abercrombie now admitting that there is no BC for BO on file in Hawaii is further evidence of fraud for which BO and Gibbs should be indicted now.

    ==================================

    This is largely an excellent post – and a good use of invective. Let’s just keep such attacks directed outward at our common enemy and not within here – at your fellow Patriots.

    Take the pledge.

  144. Paxson | January 25, 2011 at 11:37 am |

    Carlyle. I don’t care anymore. Please leave me alone and I wont get involved any more. You have issues.

    ==============================

    Wrong. I have “issue” singular. I don’t know maybe I was abused as a youngster or something, but I consider bullies to the lowest scum on the planet. My “obsession” is to smack bullies. Most especially when the attack my innocent and relatively defenseless friends.

    How can you possibly disagree with:

    I accept that Free Speech has a right to state his opinions.
    Similarly, I have a right to state my opinions.

    Each of us has a right to challenge or question each other about opinions. Otherwise the first one to post on a topic would then be “end of discussion”. That is a great way to spread falsehood and prevent critical analysis.

    Nobody has the right to engage in personal attacks. No bullying, no lying, no misquotes, no name calling, no derogatory adjectives.

    Has Free Speech EVER said ANYTHING this honorable? No, he chooses to keep attacking.

  145. Carlyle. I’m done with you. You have bad intentions.

  146. Paxson | January 25, 2011 at 11:52 am |

    ==========================

    How can you possible say that? What could you possibly disagree with in what I just wrote?

    I agree to civil discourse on issues, ideas, and opinions – but not personal attacks. WHAT CAN YOU POSSIBLY OBJECT TO?

    Isn’t that what you have been asking for?

    Do you think it is ok for posters here to call people obots, silly, non intelligent, sunstein-controlled, etc. etc.

    How can you possibly defend that?

    There IS a right and wrong here. Which side are you on?

  147. Rosemary Woodhouse

    As I’ve written numerous times if we, America’s defenders, do not prevail it will will be due to the selfish and self-destructive tendency to place ego before cause. Marxists are well versed in setting aside ego and petty arguments so the “Kommon Kause” is at the forefront. Their disagreements take pace in back rooms, out of public view. Do you not believe TPTB read these exchanges and comprehend in all its utter foolishness our abject failure to simply get along…on *blogs* of all things? Until we learn this lesson, we are doomed to fail.

    Drop the ego games- all of you. This is ridiculous. Our country is being torn asunder but y’all continue to pay attention to who did what to whom on such a blog at such a date. Get over it! Move on (not dot org.) :-)

  148. Rosemary Woodhouse | January 25, 2011 at 12:18 pm |

    ========================================

    I have agreed to all the provisions of civil dialogue and have forsworn bullying and attacking. How much more righteous do you want me to be?

  149. Rosemary Woodhouse

    I wasn’t singling you out, Carlyle.

  150. Carlyle. I have a life outside of this blog, even though this place is very important to me. I mentioned the other day a few of the people that I had run ins with. We were able to our differences aside and now we are friends. I related to everyone the other day the score as I see it. You have refused to comprehend. Your sanctimonious tonality,frankly, gets on my nerves. This is the last time that I will explain this to you and until you change I am through with you. I admire CW for not sensoring this blog, so I imagine I’ll see a lot mire of you because of your dementia, but I don’t care. Any more about you.

  151. Rahm has a “stay” so he’s BACK ON THE BALLOT if anyone cares…

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