William Cellini trial, Prosecutors outline case against power broker Cellini, Blagojevich Rezko Levine

william Cellini trial, Prosecutors outline case against power broker Cellini, Blagojevich Rezko Levine

From the Chicago Tribune September 7, 2011.

“Prosecutors outline case against power broker Cellini
Longtime Springfield insider faces corruption, bribery charges”

“Weeks before longtime state power broker William Cellini is set to stand trial, federal prosecutors detailed evidence they have against him, including statements he allegedly made about what to do if law enforcement closed in and about his decades of navigating Illinois politics.

A longtime Republican fundraiser, Cellini cozied up to Democrat Rod Blagojevich during the 2002 governor’s race and struck a deal with Tony Rezko and Chris Kelly, two of Blagojevich’s closest advisers, authorities said. He faces charges of extortion, conspiracy and bribery.

He is accused of agreeing to raise money for Blagojevich as a way to protect his power and influence in Springfield, specifically at the state teacher pension board. He is also accused of trying to shake down a Hollywood producer for campaign contributions for Blagojevich.

In the filing, the government alleges that Cellini, who was a presence in Illinois politics for four decades, discussed his longevity in a February 2004 meeting on an upcoming allocation of $4.8 billion in pension board money.

Cellini recounted to the group — which included Stuart Levine, who was also charged with public corruption — about a meeting he had just had with Rezko and Kelly.

“Upon arriving, defendant said he had just come from a meeting with Rezko and Kelly, and he was upset with them,” the document reads. “He told Rezko and Kelly that they were moving too fast and were going to get themselves in trouble. Defendant said he told Rezko and Kelly that they should take defendant as an example: He had been doing this for 30 years and had always stayed above the fray.”

The filing also details a call in May 2004 between Cellini and Levine. During the recorded call, Cellini allegedly discusses the potential for an investigation and how he allegedly told Rezko and Kelly to have a cover story ready about their relationship with him.”

“The trial is set to begin on Oct. 3.”

Read more:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-met-cellini-filing-0907-20110907,0,984059.story

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211 responses to “William Cellini trial, Prosecutors outline case against power broker Cellini, Blagojevich Rezko Levine

  1. The Ron Paul Solution
    Sometime the answer is right in front of you…
    by Brian Wilson

    Dealing daily with the bi-polar manic-depressive ADD schizophrenia of the American Electorate is driving me bats**t crazy!

    Here is the narrative of the AAV (Average American Voter):

    “I am tired of BOTH parties. I am tired of Professional Politicians. I am tired of the Washington ‘Inside-The-Beltway’ mentality. I’ve had it with Politics As Usual. I am done with the DC Double Standard: Elected Officials and their Buds break laws with impunity while Big Brother and Big Nanny micro-manage everything I do. I want to left alone. I want Washington out of my office, car, bank account, wallet, kid’s school, kitchen, bedroom and hobbies. I want the TSA to keep their grubby mitts off me. I want Government to get out of the way and let the Free Market do its thing. I’ve had it with the illegal wars, smothered economy and the Entitlement Mentality. I want a President who will stand on principle, not K Street and won’t run off to bomb some dictator with a funny hat; who will actually “…to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.” And I don’t care what Party he or she belongs to.”
    Well…..Sound like any one of the current crop of candidates??

    “Mitt Romney has nice hair. And Gov. Perry has “swagger”! And Michelle Bachman is a hottie (in a proper Christian kinda way). Oh – and Ron Paul is an unelectable wacky uncle.”

    This from the same AAV plaintively wailing about the status quo. To borrow a phrase: Haul out the duct tape!

    As my friend Walter Williams says, “Let’s look at it.”

    “Unelectable”

    To put it delicately: Bullsh*t. He’s been elected and re-elected and re-elected Congressman from Texas 22nd District. Is there something strange and unique about the 22nd District that would somehow preclude his “electability” as President? Apparently a majority his constituents are happy with “Dr. No” and his record of voting “No” for any/all bills lacking Constitutional authority. What a concept! Or do we conclude if enough chuckleheads repeat the word enough, the polls will reverse and his growing – but somehow inexplicable – popularity will stop embarrassing FOX News & Co.?

    “Nukes for Iran!”

    Actually not. If one reviews the first debate and subsequent comments, Dr. Paul emphasized he was against Iran having nukes. Hell, he’s against everyone having nukes. He explained how Iran didn’t have any and, even if they did, they have no means – even gasoline – to deliver it. Then he mentioned the inconvenient truth of the “Sovereign Nation.” Whoa! No snappy come-backs for that one (unless the Respondent owns the Tyranny franchise for the entire United States). Then “our sovereignty is better than your sovereignty” is a snappy one-liner infinitely less threatening than the old “Bombs Away!” enjoyed recently by the innocents in Iraq and currently those in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Libya.

    Eliminate Social Security, Medicare, FEMA, and EPA, Depts. of Education, Agriculture, and Energy etc.

    At the risk of Choir Preaching, Candidate Paul has stated repeatedly: Yes, these socialist programs and alphabet soup agencies have no Constitutional sanction but realistically, they cannot be dismantled overnight. How “wacky” is that? But looky here! Freedom, Liberty and Individual Responsibility have better, more successful ways of providing excellent results without the government waste, fraud and dependency. The boondoggles that are the by-products of these extra-Constitutional excursions into unauthorized largess and Machiavellian altruism have brought America to the brink of financial and societal implosion. No one who understands the severity of the problem can argue successfully – or morally – for the status quo. No doubt you’ve heard the punditry saying “It’s simply not sustainable.”

    Amen. The Choir may be seated.

    Wacky etc.

    Finally, let’s do away with the ad homonyms: “wacky uncle,” crackpot, insane, too old, not a Republican/really Libertarian, “foreign policy,” ad ridiculum. Ask yourself – or the person who claims to believe that tripe: what is wrong with a constitutionally obedient government? As noted in my previous LRC piece, the “Kimber Basketball Game” wager, without The Rules, anarchy and tyranny, socialism, communism, fascism, collectivism and Ism-ism stand at the door. Some of their body parts are already inside doing unspeakable things to Lady Liberty and Uncle Sam. Those who lob the ad homonym stink bombs are those who refuse to comprehend the Constitutional cure for the Welfare/Warfare State.

    Like analogies? Similes? Metaphors? Parables? I do, too. They simplify things and put them into bite-size easily digestible nuggets of fact.

    Take my old one about the Two Cars:

    Before you are 2 cars. Same make, model, equipment. Different colors. The Blue car – with a big D on the hood – is being driven by our current President Zero. The Red one – with the big R on the hood – will be driven by Perry, Romney, Bachman or some other late-comer the Media Moguls will anoint and appoint as the Designated Driver.

    Here is what’s going to happen: Prez Zero is going to drive the Blue “D” car at 150MPH into that large brick wall just over yonder. Upon impact, there will be a big explosion; he will die a fiery, gooey death. And so will America.

    Whomever the MM’s eventually designate – Perry, Romney, Bachman, Palin (?) – will drive the Red “R” car at 102MPH into the same brick wall with the same unsightly and terminal results.

    By your support and vote, you select in which car you will ride.

    OK? Choose…….

    What’s that? Not much of a choice? You die either way?? Well…that’s exactly right!

    Not much of “choice,” is it??

    But wait!

    Wanna know a secret?

    There’s a third car! It’s being driven by that “wacky uncle,” Ron Paul. It’s going to go 200MPH – but not toward that brick wall. Paul’s “car” is heading in the opposite direction – toward Freedomville and Liberty Town and Free Market City where the Government leaves you alone, stays out of your way and your life. You keep more of what you’ve worked your butt of for! There are no illegal, immoral, expensive wars! America is secure at home enjoying trade and commerce with friends and neighbors. The government obeys its Constitutional restraints. Markets flourish! Business explodes! Employment soars! Political Correctness is banished to a small un-named atoll somewhere in the Aleutians!

    Still think that “wacky” guy is “unelectable”? Or are you ready to buckle up in the hot Blue “D” car? Or would you prefer something in a fiery Red?

    September 7, 2011

    http://lewrockwell.com/wilson-brian/wilson-brian27.1.html

  2. http://washingtonindependent.com/104609/ron-paul-one-of-only-four-house-republicans-to-request-earmarks-for-2011-budget-updated

    U.S. Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) was one of only four House Republicans to break rank from the party and request earmarks despite a Republican Conference earmark moratorium. Paul sent 41 earmark requests totaling $157,093,544 for the 2011 Fiscal Year.

  3. http://weaselzippers.us/2011/08/28/ron-paul-blames-america-for-911-attacks-islam-not-motivation-for-terrorism-u-s-occupation-is/

    “I don’t see Islam as our enemy,” Paul said.

    Regarding 9/11, Paul said that attacks against the U.S. from Middle Eastern groups at home and abroad can be traced to the foreign presence of U.S. troops…


  4. I apologize for saying that I agreed with ron paul on fiscal issues. The truth is, I always viewed him as political gadfly also-ran who never ever had the slightest chance of being president so I did not pay much attention to him

    I am glad he ran the attack ad against Rick Perry because that prompted me to research him and discover that Ron Paul is a LIAR and a HYPOCRITE. The first revelation was that ron paul SMEARED President Reagan in 1988 and QUIT the Republican Party. Then I discovered that ron paul is one of the most WASTEFUL PORK BARREL SPENDERS in congress.

    RON PAUL IS A DISGRACE TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY!

  5. “FEMA TO THE RESCUE” – BASTROP, TEXAS. FEMA, tells, Firefighters to,”STAND-DOWN”. Fire is still uncontained, now some twenty-five miles long and sixteen miles deep, http://www.infowars.com/fema-forces-firefighters-to-stand-down-in-texas

  6. Interested Bystander

    CQ,

    GREAT post.

    On the same subject:

    The more FS links to those videos, the more I like Paul.

    The video titled “ron paul is Completely…..” is spot on in my opinion.

    Just because you do NOT agree with Government programs, once they are “on the books”, you’d better get your share. It’s irresponsible and does your constituents NO good to allow “the system” to “work” for everyone else, and not for the people you represent. He voted AGAINST the bills, THAT’s what speaks volumes.

    I do not believe social security should have been started, but I hope that there is a benefit for me when I reach retirement age. I’ve contributed for 33 years so far, and I believe I should get something for my money.

    Don’t you FS?

    Tina,

    I agree with you when you state that the Democrat Party of 1961 is now the Republican Party of 2012.

    It really is funny how indoctrination works.

    The question is, where is the Republican Party of 1961?

    In my opinion, Ron Paul represents that faction of the Republican Party. Cain also.

  7. http://freestudents.blogspot.com/2007/07/ron-pauls-personal-pork-projects.html

    Ron Paul’s personal pork projects

    Guaranteed 100% pork. The media has noted, though many libertarians have ignored, that the allegedly “libertarian” Republican, Ron Paul, has been bringing home the bacon to his district, just like every other vote-seeking politician. The PR hype is that Paul is different. Judge for yourself.

    Paul says he only votes for spending authorized by the US Constitution. But when it comes to using his Congressional position, to request pork for projects in his own district, apparently anything goes. Whether the spending is Constitutionally legitimate, or no,t Paul brings home the bacon.

    According to the Houston Chronicle, Paul:

    …leads the Houston-area delegation in the number of earmarks, or special funding requests, that he is seeking for his district. He is trying to nab public money for 65 projects, such as marketing wild shrimp and renovating the old movie theater in Edna that closed in 1977 — neither of which is envisioned in the Constitution as an essential government function.

  8. Pertaining to Gov. Perry,

    He is a Democrat socialists dream -disguised as a Republican- in a Liberal high school prom dress. His views and past policies are articulated to say the least. Having U.S. Citizen taxpayers to pay for tuition for illegal immigrants stands alone on views and paramount to the liberal socialist beliefs of responsibility. Unconstitutional as it is, matters not to this man.

    The multi-culture force of teachers having to teach sensitivity training for our American students whilst dinning with wine to the largest supporters of Anti-American Muslim groups is simply unprecedented and without rational excuse.

    His utter failure to directly address the most massive fraud ever committed in the the History of America corruption, makes him once again a part of the problem and a furtherance of the same cowardice our current elected officials face – derelict of duty to oath of office.

    Perry is not the answer, he is a Constitutional Coward. Copy and post all the polls one desires, headlines alike, makes no difference.

  9. I agree with about 95% of the things that Ron Paul says and I like him as a person, even with his idiosyncrasies. It’s that 5% that I just cannot reconcile with him that kills it for me. That said, Ron Paul’s voice is extremely important in these turbulent times as he is the conscience of a generation of turds.

  10. This is another case that Rezko will not take the Stand !! Fitzgerald will continue to serve and protect his real bosses not the american people. Fitz chased a leaker for years when he knew it was Dick Armitage and at the Blago press conference he had John Chase five feet in front of him and he can’t ask Chase who leak info to him. Even worse he tells people to bring him info about the bad guys but in the same press conference admits there may be a leak in his office however he does not care enough to even investigate.
    Watch for yourself http://abclocal.go.com/wls/video?id=8217578
    Front row blue shirt silver tape recorder, meet John Chase
    And the Chicago Tribune thinks we are lucky to have Fitzgerald !!!!

  11. If it is true about Rep. Paul repeatedly “bringing home the bacon”, then no wonder he has been reelected over and over again. It was fine for the citizens of his district, but with his being only in the House, thankfully his foreign policies never saw the light of day.

    Personally I have been receiving mailings from Paul for decades – around thirty years, but did not realize that his thinking about terrorism is so twisted until several years ago. He has often expressed that the reason we were attacked is “simply” because the Islamists are angry with us for meddling in their countries.

    With all due respect to him, that is NOT the reason for their hatred. They hate us and Israel because their Koran tells them to eliminate the infidels. They firmly believe that their Allah has commanded them to conquer, and kill if need be, all those who resist their diabolical beliefs.

    Paul has shown his great lack of knowledge of the enemy’s motivation and that is terribly dangerous for the security of the U.S., imho. His libertarian views have affected even his views of foreign policy. “Live and let live” is not a motto to adhere to when you are facing a mortal enemy.

  12. http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Rep-Ron-Paul-faces-unrest-at-home-1697091.php

    “He’s as bad as the rest of them,” says Gerald Wall, one of three Republicans challenging the incumbent in the March 2 GOP primary.

    “While he claims to be a fiscal conservative, he’ll put millions of (dollars of) earmarks and pork spending in bills,” declares Wall, one of the organizers of last year’s Lake Jackson Tea Party.

  13. Although I am not a Ron Paul supporter, he has been consistent over time. A case can be made that Reagan employed a form of Keynesian economics with the defense build up through deficit spending in the 1980’s. Guns or butter, both stimulate the demand side of the equation through government spending. Although the times were very different back then with the cold war and I supported those policies of Reagan then and now, Ron Paul has not changed through the years.

    That being said, it is Ron Paul’s (OVERLY) isolationist and naive foreign policy proposals that keep me out of his camp. Not to mention that I believe in safety nets for the elderly and young and mentally and physically incapacitated. As far as I can tell, Ron Paul would have them rotting in the corner.

  14. Texas cut fire department funding by 75 percent this year
    http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/09/texas-cut-fire-department-funding-by-75-percent-this-year/

    Under Gov. Rick Perry (R) this year, Texas slashed state funding for the volunteer fire departments that protect most of the state from wildfires like the ones that have recently destroyed more than 700 homes.

    Volunteer departments that were already facing financial strain were slated to have their funding cut from $30 million to $7 million, according to KVUE.

    The majority of Texas is protected by volunteer fire departments. There are 879 volunteer fire departments in Texas and only 114 paid fire departments. Another 187 departments are a combination of volunteer and paid.

    For that reason, aid from the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) could be more important than ever to the state where wildfires have recently been raging.

    At a press conference Monday, Perry promised to seek federal disaster relief and said that FEMA would be in the state by Wednesday.

    While the Texas governor has been highly critical of FEMA in the past, he told CBS’ Erica Hill Tuesday that now was not the time to worry about reforming the agency.

    “The issue is taking care of these people right now,” Perry insisted. “We can work our way through any conversations about how to make agencies more efficient, how to make Department of Defense equipment, for instance, more available. There are a lot of issues we can talk about, but the fact of the matter is now is not the time to be trying to work out the details of how to make these agencies more efficient. Let’s get people out of harm’s way.”

    Watch this video from KVUE, broadcast March 23, 2011

  15. Obama = Electric Chair

    Rick Perry = Lethal Injection

    Ron Paul = ESCAPE !! 2012

  16. http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2011/09/07/will-rick-perrys-democratic-past-hurt-him-at-the-polls

    Perry’s own political evolution mirrors that of Texas, which had been growing from Democrat to Republican until the GOP began to dominate in the late 1980s. Even before he joined the GOP in 1989, Perry pushed conservative themes as a Democrat, joining other state legislators to push for budget cuts.
    His endorsement of then-Tennessee Sen. Al Gore in 1988 may sound bad now, but Perry can reasonably argue that the self-proclaimed “raging moderate” was the most conservative Democrat in a field which included minister Jesse Jackson, Missouri Rep. Dick Gephardt, Illinois Sen. Paul Simon, and former Colorado Sen. Gary Hart.

    “I was under the false idea that conservative Democrats could save the Democrat Party. They couldn’t,” Perry told talk show host Sean Hannity, echoing Reagan’s assertion that it was the party, not him, that had changed.

  17. FS @ 12:56
    The difference being that the party had changed for Ronald Reagan in the middle 1950’s. Rick Perry was a Democrat through the late 1980’s after the Reagan revolution. Not to mention the fact that Al Gore is a giant nut sack. It will be hard to get over his support for such a giant jerk as Al Gore.

  18. Campaign Responds to Perry’s Attack and Fake Rhetoric

    The gloves are off…

    LAKE JACKSON, Texas – (RonPaul2012.com) – 2012 Republican Presidential candidate Ron Paul’s campaign continues to challenge Rick Perry in the lead up to tonight’s Republican presidential debate. Campaign Chairman Jesse Benton released an open letter to Gov. Perry focusing on his record as Texas head of state, pointing out inconsistencies with his new Tea Party rhetoric. See text of letter below.

    Subject: Rick Perry Can’t Handle the Truth

    An open letter from Campaign Chairman Jesse Benton

    Dear Governor Perry,

    After our campaign’s first ad highlighting your Big Government record and support for liberal Al Gore, your campaign is attacking Dr. Paul – missing the point of why your past is important.

    We don’t think the fact that you used to be a Democrat is the big problem here. The real problem is that, too often, you still act like one. Even you yourself, Governor Perry, said of your party switch, “I will still vote the same principles, only with an R after my name.”

    That’s the kind of thinking that has our country teetering on the edge of bankruptcy. We cannot afford to nominate someone who thinks the letter next to their name is more important than what they believe.

    Governor Perry, let me be clear: It is not that you supported Al Gore that worries us.

    It is that you supported Hillary Clinton’s health care plan.

    You pushed for federal bailout and stimulus funds.

    You support welfare for illegal immigrants.

    You tried to forcibly vaccinate12-year-old girls against sexually transmitted diseases by executive order.

    You raised taxes twice.

    And, state debt has more than doubled in your tenure as governor, pushing Texas to the brink of our constitutional debt limit.

    It’s that you supported ALL of these bad ideas that are inconsistent with how most Republicans understand conservatism, yet you now try to swagger your way into the Tea Party.

    Governor Perry, with all due respect, you have used great rhetoric. But you will have to answer to the voters of Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, and across the country as to why that rhetoric does not match your record.

    For Liberty,

    Jesse Benton
    Campaign Chairman
    Ron Paul 2012

  19. William Richardson

    Innocent Bystander,

    I recognized you after viewing a few posts. It’s been awhile. I was simply combing over CW’s (which I rarely do anymore) and enjoyed the thought that you are still around. I believe our last conversations were with History dude/GSA/FOIA/D.C. affidavit, ect.. last year.

    Hope all is well,

  20. OT, and has been mentioned here before, I believe, but have you seen this short video?

  21. For now, Perry has sucked out most of the oxygen. How can anyone in the second tier become one of the frontrunners unless there is a serious gaff in the debates?

    Debates demonstrate poise, intellectual prowess, and basic beliefs.
    Query: What about assurance that they will walk the talk?
    How do we judge that? Past records help but are not necessarily definitive.

  22. William Richardson

    Long time no see Innocent bystander

  23. Veterans for Ron Paul – A Grassroots Video

    A compilation of videos I have collected from veterans over the last five months. As veterans we have a duty to let the American people to let them know that we overwhelmingly support the candidate of peace and the champion of The Constitution.

  24. It is amusing to watch ron paul & the demRatMORON ‘s attempt to smear Rick Perry fail. The Fact is Perry is leading in all the Polls. Perry had already addressed his fleeting misguided support of algore in numerous interviews long before ron paul & the demRat MORONS started their failed smear campaign.

  25. CQ | September 7, 2011 at 12:55 pm |
    Obama = Electric Chair

    Rick Perry = Lethal Injection

    Ron Paul = ESCAPE !! 2012
    **********************************
    CQ, nothing personal. You are a responsible poster. I just can’t help but say this (I like Ron Paul as a person):

    Ron Paul = ESCAPE !! 2012 – right into the arms of Islam!

    (If I don’t end up dead, I’ll have to decide what kind of burka to wear.)

  26. If I were one of the other candidates I’d ask Rick Perry which era of Democrat he was waiting for his party to go back to? LBJ’s Great Society? Jimmy Carter’s weak foreign policy and malaise? Roosevelt’s socialist policies and communist cabinet? No the Democrat party was already well defined by the late 1980’s. Al Gore has always been a d bag.

  27. Paxson | September 7, 2011 at 1:19 pm |

    Paxson, GREAT point.

  28. It just may be that nearly all of us will have to hold our noses when it comes time to vote. When I see that over 40% of the people in this country still think that Obama is okay (overall approval rating), it gives great pause for thought.

    If we want Obama OUT, the tainted electorate will have to be presented with an Obama RIVAL that will be less than what we conservatives would like.

    We might as well face the truth. One election is not going to completely turn around the ship of state. It is going to have to be done in increments, and I wonder if we have the tenacity and staying power to do what it takes.

  29. http://www.thestreet.com/story/11221655/1/rick-perry–the-new-ronald-reagan.html

    It was Texas Gov. Rick Perry entering the race like a thunderbolt. The broad-shouldered, well-coiffed son of Texas ranchers took the GOP primary process by storm with his announcement in red-state South Carolina.
    He literally may have won the nomination the day he announced. Sure, it helps that Perry is the governor of the state with the strongest economy in the U.S. And just being from that state in American politics is a natural bully pulpit.

    But it’s not for those reasons. Everyone who has followed politics in this country will hear the bromides of how looks and charisma matter, and many of the presidents in the past 50 years have had those qualities.

    But here is why Perry will win this nomination — he somewhat resembles Ronald Reagan physically, let alone policywise. Here was a party bordering on panic for not being able to find a challenger to run against a president made vulnerable by a persistently listless economy, and all of the sudden it has a potentially formidable candidate with the aura of the party icon, The Gipper — the most revered Republican chief executive since Teddy Roosevelt.

  30. “I was under the false idea that conservative Democrats could save the Democrat Party. They couldn’t,” Perry told talk show host Sean Hannity, echoing Reagan’s assertion that it was the party, not him, that had changed.”

    What a political farce of a statement!!!

    Perry is exactly what the Karl Rove assessment of “Electability Evaluation” accents! I didn’t know, but eventually found out through experience in the political realm and completely shocked when it was brought to my attention…. Yeah, right…

    False Idea over the decades of being a politician? You have got to be kidding me. And you buy that?

    Other than attempting to sell you green grass property in the South Pole under the “I didn’t know and thought differently for 20 plus years of my professional geological career whereby I actually believed grass grew at the South Pole, but today informed otherwise” syndrome, I will now attempt to make right for America with my anew knowledge if elected.

    B.S…

  31. Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
    Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
    US author, diplomat, inventor, physicist, politician, & printer (1706 – 1790)

  32. P.S.

    Perry is only attempting to be like the “Gipper”. In reality, he is far fetched from it…

    Perry is looking for attracting the votes from the middle, tea party and Republicans. The problem he will soon face, is a direct comparison of Ronald Regan (as he is aligning himself with, very bad advise from his campaign managers) that he will soon have to stand on and answer for, a direct analytical comparison.

    Once done, so is he……

  33. http://gretawire.foxnewsinsider.com/2011/09/06/governor-rick-perry-responds-to-congressman-ron-paul/

    Ron Paul’s Reagan Revisionism

    AUSTIN – Rep. Ron Paul’s newly released attack ad refers to the congressman as, “the one who stood with Reagan.” But his 1987 letter announcing his resignation from the Republican Party indicates Reagan drove him from the party.

    “Ronald Reagan was one of the most significant presidents of our generation, and a proven fiscal conservative,” Perry spokesman Mark Miner said. “Like President Reagan, Gov. Perry has cut taxes and freed employers from government regulations that kill jobs.”

  34. http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/nbc-picks-packers-over-obama-milwaukee

    The NBC affiliate in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, WTMJ TV announced yesterday they will not be airing Obama’s jobs speech at 7 PM EST Thursday night. instead they are opting for their own pre-game coverage of the Packers Saints game scheduled to kick off at 8 PM. Green Bay’s NBC affiliate, NBC 26, will also go with the Packers pre-game show over Obama.

  35. William | September 7, 2011 at 1:49 pm |
    P.S.

    Perry is only attempting to be like the “Gipper”. In reality, he is far fetched from it…
    ************************
    Hi, William,
    Perry (he’s not alone) is the CONSUMMATE POLITICIAN. Everyone who knows him well ascribes to that definition. We all know what that means:
    Do or say anything that it takes to get elected. I hate this stuff!!! But it is the truth and we have to be very aware of it.

  36. The answer is simple,

    Either a valued electable Republican step in and announce the most massive fraud ever committed in the History this country will be immediately investigated and all parties associated with such crimes exposed and prosecuted, and such recognition publicly that it happened; or a Third party split upsetting the Republican vote for their lack of Constitutional Courage as a harsh lesson for not listening to “we the people”, and following Constitutional oath of office and binding law, or a simple “Squat the Vote” for those Republican Cowards in which case they lose again.

    Either way, they will get the message. “We The People” aren’t fooling around with their political B.S and complacency any longer.

    Not a difficult choice….Perry is a Coward. Don’t believe me? Ask him or his office to respond to the largest fraud of corruption in the History of this Country and how he plans on addressing it.

  37. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/2chambers/post/some-republican-lawmakers-plan-to-skip-obamas-jobs-speech/2011/09/07/gIQAPKmV9J_blog.html

    Several congressional Republicans have said that they don’t plan to be in the House chamber when Obama delivers his jobs address to a joint session at 7 p.m. Thursday. A White House spokesman called their planned absences “regrettable.”

    Freshman Rep. Joe Walsh (R-Ill.) was the first to announce last week when he wrote via Twitter that he would instead travel to his home district to meet with his constituents.

    “Instead of being a prop of another one of the President’s speeches, next Thursday I will fly home to IL to talk to real job creators,” Walsh tweeted.

    Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.) told ABC News’ Jon Karl that he likely won’t attend the speech, either.

    “If [Obama] sent a written proposal over first, I would go hear him explain it, but frankly right now I’m so frustrated I don’t think I’m going to go,” DeMint said.

    And Rep. Paul Broun (R-Ga.), who skipped Obama’s State of the Union in January, plans to watch the president’s latest address from his office across the street from the Capitol.

    Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.), said that he plans to attend.

  38. Innocent Bystander,

    I only posted William Richardson in full so you would know who I am. Generally, I only post under William. It is the same. If ever in doubt, just ask. You also have my direct contact via Washington D.C. District contact information from FIOA Affidavit, in which you are more than welcome to use anytime.


  39. Forms and Charges to INDICT BHO for his CRIMES

    Demand that your congressman, senators, County Sheriff, DA, State Legislators, Governor, and County Grand Jury Foreman indict and prosecute BO and his local co-conspirators in State Courts for these crimes:

    Murders and False Imprisonment of Opponents of the BO regime, “Fast & Furious” Sales of Guns to Mexican Drug Cartels, Birth Document Forgeries, TSA Sexual Assaults & Illegal Searches, Union Assaults, Election Fraud & Voter Fraud, Identity Theft, Illegal Foreign Campaign Contributions, Aiding and Abetting of Muslim Terrorists, Poisoning of the Gulf of Mexico, Theft of Private Property (Chrysler, GM, Pension and Retirement Accounts etc.), Embezzlement of Government funds distributed to Foreign Entities, WikiLeaks and other Leaks of US Secrets by the BHO regime to our enemies, and War Crimes in Libya.

    If the politicians refuse to take action then form a Grand Jury:

    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/06/how-to-start-and-lead-citizens-grand.html

    http://connect.freedomworks.org/

    Indictment Forms

    http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=10.37.040

    http://forms.lp.findlaw.com/form/courtforms/state/nc/nc000205.pdf

  40. If Perry wins the nomination I will vote for him without a doubt. But I do not see a Ronald Reagan in him. I also am having a hard time deciphering his exact positions on various issues, outside of the fiery rhetoric. For instance, we all know Social Security is a ponzi scheme. Saying so isn’t going out on a limb or brilliant thinking. What does he plan to do with Social Security to either make it solvent or radically alter?

  41. I like Herman Cain because he is a problem solver. This probably stems from his background in mathematics as an undergraduate. Not to mention that Herman Cain is a self made man who epitomizes the American Dream.

  42. Isn’t that news posted on the General website news about Perry?

    Why the “Copy and Paste” of every news article from all AP, Washington Post, NY times, LA times, and all others here for Perry? Is this site now an advertising bulletin? Over and over again? I guess people can’t read the news and reason for it, therefore, 80% repeating is a redundant necessity.

    Once, there were great intellectual discussions of opinion and facts at this website within the posters. Now (over a year) its a repetitive advertisement board for a single sole, without competency. Well thought out tactics? Or nothing of substance to validate opinion? Either or, is simply inexcusable.

  43. William. Some people haven’t figured out that the MSM is messaging to the people what the ptb’s want them to think. The $55M in Perry’s Super Pac tells us the multi National corporations have his back.

  44. Paxson,

    With all due respect, I will not personally lower myself as an American Citizen and vote for the lesser of 2 evils. That is not taking back my Country that has been so lost.

    Which is best? Voting for the death by the Guillotine of America, or by Strangulation? I say it’s neither. And there is a way of avoiding both.

    I for one will not go down voting for any party just to appease (Strangulation)….

  45. William. I hear you, but there is also the saying about cutting off your nose to spite your face. I don’t expect a viable third party candidate and I plan on voting. Therefore, by default, for the Republican candidate. I will add that these primaries are vital to fully vet whom is the eventual candidate. Some here look at vetting as a smear.

  46. I am tired of Ron Paul and his career politics. I am tired of him trying to come off as a non-career politican when he’s been in the house for years and years. This is the third time he’s run for President. Give someone else a chance! I am tired of his anti-semitism, or if you don’t want to call it anti-semitism, his policies will have the same effect of isolating Israel as Obama’s so there’s no difference. I am tired of Ron Paul calling himself a conservative when he’s to the left of Obama on foreign policy. Neither Obama nor Ron Paul think Iran is a risk to the US. Yeah right. Ron Paul is a libertarian, not a GOP conservative, even though, he tries to manipulate people into thinking he’s one. Far left=far right=anti-semistism or to the same effect=far wrong

  47. http://www.thestreet.com/story/11241426/1/poll-rick-perry-leads-everybody.html?cm_ven=RSSFeed

    Texas Gov. Rick Perry received wide support in a new poll on Wednesday that found the Texan ahead of President Barack Obama in the general election and as the frontrunner for the GOP race.

  48. William, I’m on your side. I’m voting to ESCAPE. That is how I voted in 08

  49. http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/09/07/rick.perry.showtime/index.html?eref=rss_mostpopular


    Perry has already shown he can take a punch and hit back hard. His campaign quickly responded to Paul’s attacks on Perry’s Democratic lineage by noting the Texas congressman bailed from the Republican Party when Reagan was president.

    Team Perry also raced to put out a statement reacting to Romney’s jobs speech Tuesday: “As Governor of Massachusetts, Mitt Romney failed to create a pro-jobs environment and failed to institute many of the reforms he now claims to support.”

  50. Rush notes Zero’s successhttp://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/09/07/limbaugh_obama_hasnt_failed_hes_succeeded_in_what_he_intended_to_do.html

  51. CQ. I’m not anti-Rick Perry, I am just trying to determine if he is “all hat and no cowboy” or not. He has a lot of fiery rhetoric and the opportunity to hear him on specifics, rather than sound bites will be very welcome to many of us.

    Certainly if confronted with the choice of Perry or four more years of Obama we can count on you to hold your nose and help us out?

  52. Tina | September 7, 2011 at 3:08 pm |
    I am tired of Ron Paul and his career politics. I am tired of him trying to come off as a non-career politican when he’s been in the house for years and years. This is the third time he’s run for President. Give someone else a chance! I am tired of his anti-semitism, or if you don’t want to call it anti-semitism, his policies will have the same effect of isolating Israel as Obama’s so there’s no difference. I am tired of Ron Paul calling himself a conservative when he’s to the left of Obama on foreign policy. Neither Obama nor Ron Paul think Iran is a risk to the US. Yeah right. Ron Paul is a libertarian, not a GOP conservative, even though, he tries to manipulate people into thinking he’s one. Far left=far right=anti-semistism or to the same effect=far wrong

    ————————————————–
    I expect that Gov Perry will show ron paul for the tired old lying hypocrite fool that he is but we will have to suffer through paul’s BS until he loses every last primary. Thank God the old fool is retiring this year.

  53. Free Speech | September 7, 2011 at 1:16 pm |

    It is amusing to watch ron paul & the demRatMORON ‘s attempt to smear Rick Perry fail. The Fact is Perry is leading in all the Polls. Perry had already addressed his fleeting misguided support of algore in numerous interviews long before ron paul & the demRat MORONS started their failed smear campaign.

    ——————————————————-

    LMAO

  54. That’s right. America has not even heard the cheer leader speak yet and The MEDIA has put him up in the poles. He’s a puppet of the media

    Your’e biggest fear is that Perry falls FLAT ON HIS FACE!

    Ron Paul 2012

  55. Ron Paul Continues Attack on Rick Perry
    Ron Paul’s offensive on Rick Perry continues. I just spotted a Ron Paul internet banner ad that reads:”Learn the Truth about Rick Perry.” It’s paid for by the Ron Paul campaign.

    The campaign has forced Rick Perry to do, of all things, release Ron
    Paul’s letter from when he left the Republican Party for a brief period. If anything, the letter shows Dr. Paul’s consistency in his principles. Now the Perry campaign has the public and the media reading the awesome letter.

    I have been told that Ron Paul is underestimated as a politician. This campaign has sure reinforced that idea. The advertising campaign has sure suckered Rick Perry into making the wrong move. Score this one for Ron Paul, big time. There is nothing better than your opposition pointing the public and the media to your strengths and your decades-long consistency.

    Well played, Dr. Paul.

    http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2011/09/ron-paul-continues-attack-on-rick-perry.html

  56. http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/mitt-romney-has-to-decide-whether-to-tackle-rick-perry-in-wednesdays-debate/2011/09/07/gIQAU1RW9J_story.html

    On the stump, Romney has been sounding feistier and tougher, taking shots at Perry. But he’s taken incoming fire, too, namely from Perry and former Utah governor Jon Huntsman Jr. over the small number of jobs created in Massachusetts relative to other states during his four years as governor.

    The challenge for Romney in Wednesday night’s NBC News-Politico debate is to deflect any criticisms that may come his way and show more command over the economy and job creation than his opponents. He also will have to avoid relitigating his past, such as his Massachusetts health care law, which is a lightning rod for conservatives.

  57. William,
    I am definitely with you on this one!I am not voting for the lesser of 2 evils!That is exactly why we are in the problems of today!Both sides are the same!Both sides knew Barry was not a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN!
    AGAIN THE ONLY PARTY THAT QUESTIONED IT!

    http://www.constitutionparty.com/news.php?aid=811

    Again Constitution Party 2008 candidate Chuck Baldwin Endorses Ron Paul!

    NOW AGAIN RON PAUL ENDORSED 2008 CONSTITUTION PARTY CHUCK BALDWIN
    http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/c2008/cbarchive_20080923_2.html
    DO YOU GET IT NOW???????????

  58. Ron Paul versus Rick Perry: Who is Ronald Reagan’s true heir

    That said, we think the Perry camp has more to answer for. On Perry’s campaign website, they provide a link to Paul’s 1987 resignation letter, and Perry aides either did not read that letter or are counting on the fact that few other people will.

    Because Paul resigned from the GOP – and we remember this incident – because the party under Reagan was unsuccessful in reducing the size of government. As the letter notes, between 1981 and 1987, the national debt doubled. Government spending grew by 10.4 percent annually. Tax revenues increased 59 percent during the period – and not because of economic growth.

    http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/The-Vote/2011/0907/Ron-Paul-versus-Rick-Perry-Who-is-Ronald-Reagan-s-true-heir

  59. That’s right GB I voted for Chuck Baldwin

  60. CQ,
    LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE NEO CONSERVATIVE BLOGGERS AGAIN!
    BEWARE!

  61. GB. I hear you and I admire your principled stand. Unfortunately some of us have young children to raise and taking the lesser of two evils to avoid four more years of Obama may be something that we will have to stomach. But the primaries are long from over. Perhaps someone will emerge from the pack who best represents our interests. I support Hermain Cain, but my slate is clean with respect to supporting somebody else should they emerge.

  62. GB. What is your definition of “Neo conservative”?

  63. Paxson, I have children to raise… I want them to know freedom not to be fearful

    “I am tired of BOTH parties. I am tired of Professional Politicians. I am tired of the Washington ‘Inside-The-Beltway’ mentality. I’ve had it with Politics As Usual. I am done with the DC Double Standard: Elected Officials and their Buds break laws with impunity while Big Brother and Big Nanny micro-manage everything I do. I want to left alone. I want Washington out of my office, car, bank account, wallet, kid’s school, kitchen, bedroom and hobbies. I want the TSA to keep their grubby mitts off me. I want Government to get out of the way and let the Free Market do its thing. I’ve had it with the illegal wars, smothered economy and the Entitlement Mentality. I want a President who will stand on principle, not K Street and won’t run off to bomb some dictator with a funny hat; who will actually “…to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.” And I don’t care what Party he or she belongs to.”
    Well…..Sound like any one of the current crop of candidates??

  64. William | September 7, 2011 at 2:07 pm |
    William, I understand your frustrations and agree to a point. However, to let Obama win because we can find no one that will address the fraud and ineligibility is not a wise tactic, imho.

    First of all, NO ONE running for the presidency is going to touch the issue. That is a fact of life. Why? There are many conjectures, so we can take our choice. Fear of race riots, fear of failure to win, fear of a constitutional crisis, etc. The fear is there, even if it is not justified. Do we know of one person that would expose the fraud that would consider running? Oh, I do. Cody Judy has announce that he is opposing Obama on the Democratic ticket. What are HIS chances? Like a snowball in h….

    Secondly, Obama is aiding and abetting the demise of America. If he gets another four years the country will probably be brought completely to its knees. If a person has a cancer, say, on his leg, and the doctor says, “We must amputate the leg, or the person will die”, that one has to decide the lesser of the two evils, ugly as it is. There are times in life when hard choices have to be made. Amputating the leg is a hard choice to make, but it is better than the alternative.

    Not voting or voting for someone that doesn’t have a chance in a blue moon against Obama is equivalent to allowing Obama to continue on with his destruction and complete control of America. When he is a complete dictator, as Chavez in Venzuela, there will be no power to rid ourselves of him. That is why I opt for the lesser- of- the-two-evils approach in this grave situation. Just my thoughts…….. There are no quick fixes.

  65. CQ @ 3:50

    I’m with you on nearly everything that you said here…

  66. I’ll sit the election out UNLESS the eligibility issue is addressed. Doesn’t have to be by the candidate necessarily but if Obama is allowed to run again then America as we knew it is gone because the constitution will be a talking point and nothing else. It’s hard for any party to say they are for the constitution when they ignore ANY part of it…for whatever reason.

    My hope at that point is that the people, govt and military will have no choice but to remove Obama as his next 4 years will be worse than his first 4 years. They’ll have to correct something that should be corrected now when they have the chance.

    We get what we deserve. Obama is just a quicker, more obvious, road to ruin. I will support Cody finanancially as he will be a primary challenger to Barry.

  67. http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/311230

    Texas Governor Rick Perry once again has his sights set on federal agencies, and speaking on Monday in South Carolina told a town hall crowd that, if elected president, federal agencies “won’t know what hit ‘em.”

    Again sending early signals on what he will do as president, Perry said: “I’ll tell you one thing: The EPA officials we have an opportunity to put in place, they’re going to be pro-business, and there’s not going to be any apologies to anybody about it,” the Chronicle reports.


    “No matter where you are in America, if you’re already getting your Social Security or are approaching that age, you’ve made a lot of decisions about retirement. You have no worries at all about your current Social Security,” he added.

    Looking beyond Perry’s politics, Judy Groskupf, a retiree from Murrell Inlet, SC, said of Perry’s town hall meeting: “I thought he was wonderful. He was sincere, he was down to earth – plus, he’s easy on the eyes,” according to the Chronicle.

  68. End the banking cartel and you get rid of O Barkies….
    Vote Ron Paul 2012

  69. FS. Telling a group of senior citizens that their social security benefits will not be affected is politically expedient, but is not a plan that addresses the ponzi scheme that he laments in his fiery rhetoric.

    What is his plan for the rest of us who have been paying in for decades but are not close to retirement?

    I’m only holding his feet to the fire on this issue because he is described as “taking on social security “.

    What is his plan?

  70. zachjonesishome | September 7, 2011 at 4:02 pm |
    http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2011/09/07/sen-vitter-picking-pigskin-over-politics-0

    Now we’re talking.

    ————————————————–

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/2chambers/post/some-republican-lawmakers-plan-to-skip-obamas-jobs-speech/2011/09/07/gIQAPKmV9J_blog.html

    Several congressional Republicans have said that they don’t plan to be in the House chamber when Obama delivers his jobs address to a joint session at 7 p.m. Thursday. A White House spokesman called their planned absences “regrettable.”

    Freshman Rep. Joe Walsh (R-Ill.) was the first to announce last week when he wrote via Twitter that he would instead travel to his home district to meet with his constituents.

    “Instead of being a prop of another one of the President’s speeches, next Thursday I will fly home to IL to talk to real job creators,” Walsh tweeted.

    Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.) told ABC News’ Jon Karl that he likely won’t attend the speech, either.

    “If [Obama] sent a written proposal over first, I would go hear him explain it, but frankly right now I’m so frustrated I don’t think I’m going to go,” DeMint said.

    And Rep. Paul Broun (R-Ga.), who skipped Obama’s State of the Union in January, plans to watch the president’s latest address from his office across the street from the Capitol.

    Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.), said that he plans to attend.

  71. September 7, 2011
    Hitler Wins Again!
    Posted by Butler Shaffer on September 7, 2011 10:51 AM

    It has been a few years since I presented my first year students with my election exercise on the first day of class. I have two candidates, “A” and
    “B.” Without naming either of them, I describe their programs, ideas, practices, etc. Candidate “A” – I tell them after they have voted – is a composite of the “founding fathers” (Sam Adams, Jefferson, John Hancock, Tom Paine, etc.), while candidate “B” is Hitler. In prior years, Hitler prevails with about 75% of the vote. This time, candidate “B” won by a margin of 25-13. When I told my students that candidate “B” was Adolf Hitler, there was a loud, collective “gasp!” Later on, in the discussion of a case involving government regulation of food, one of my students said “of course, none of us are Nazis,” to which I responded: “then how do you account for the fact that nearly 2/3 of you just voted for Hitler?”

    Adolf is still a popular figure, which probably explains why most Americans are as willing to support attacks and invasions on other countries as Germans were during the 1930s.

    Here’s the actual Hitler Test

    Ron Paul 2012

  72. As I have said many times, I DO NOT REPLY to demRat MORONS!

  73. So what if Rand Paul is attending. Most of us read that the first time that you posted it….

  74. FS @ 4:19

    No. You just like to cut and paste mindless propoganda.

  75. http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/09/two-gop-senators-slated-to-skip-president-obamas-speech/

    Two Republican senators plan to sit out President Obama’s address to a joint session of Congress Thursday: Sens. David Vitter of Louisiana and Jim DeMint of South Carolina.

    Instead, Vitter will be throwing a football party in Louisiana. “I will listen to the President’s speech tomorrow carefully . . . from my priority area for job creation, Who Dat Nation,” Vitter wrote on his Facebook page this afternoon. “Family and friends are coming over for big game. On to recovery — and the Super Bowl!”

    The New Orleans Saints take on Green Bay in the NFL season opener that evening.

    DeMint told ABC News’ Jonathan Karl Sunday that he would probably skip the president’s speech.

    “If he sent a written proposal over first, I would go hear him explain it, but frankly, right now, I’m so frustrated I don’t think I’m going to go,” DeMint told Karl.

    DeMint’s office confirmed today that the senator will definitely not attend the speech. Instead, he’ll be in Charleston, S.C., Thursday night to meet with officials from the Boeing Co., tour the new Dreamliner aircraft facility and meet with Boeing employees.

  76. Interested Bystander

    William

    Hello, good to “see” you again.

    You asked:

    “Is this site now an advertising bulletin?”

    The answer to this question is simply to go back over the last dozen threads and see for yourself.

    It’s the same stuff over and over.

    Just a couple of comments about Paul’s foriegn policy, and I’ll let it rest:

    First of all, Paul is on record as saying NO ONE needs nukes.

    Iran is a SOVEREIGN nation and deserves that right, UNTIL they agress against us or one of our allies as laid out in CONSTITUTIONALLY binding treaties with those allies.

    Do I like or support Iran’s policies? ABSOLUTELY NOT (now watch FS copy and paste that to claim something that I did NOT state)

    I support Israel, however, until such a time when we have a surplus to support Israel with, I believe the best interest of the United States should be here at home.

    It’s time for the US to tell the world that until such time as we have our FISCAL house in order, we are going to out of necessity cease “aiding” other Countries to the tune of BILLIONS of dollars a year.

    I agree with the analogy of the first comment of this thread:

    With the current “front runners”, it is a question of whether you want to hit the wall doing 150, or 102? Either way, you end up ruined.

    I agree with those posters on here who state that they will look at the candidates and choose the one who they believe will do what is best for the Country. I really don’t care if I vote for the “winner” or not, because the sad fact is, you may have voted for the “winner”, but in the long run, our Country is a LOSER.

    Speaks volumes of those of you who are simply touting who can “win” or “lose” when all you are doing is decreasing the speed at which you hit the wall.

    Notice when asked a legitimate question, FS ignores it?

    Typical of someone who is simply trying to indoctrinate. Repeat, repeat ignore legitimate questions, repeat, repeat, ignore, repeat repeat…………….and it goes on and on and on.

    It’s time for ACTION, not rhetoric.

    The media annointed Perry “front runner” before he was even in the race.

    I suspect the media has something on Perry that they are holding until after the nomination process has run it’s course. Not sure what it is, but the way the media is touting Perry, I wouldn’t doubt that it is a doosie.

    The media is so excited about the prospect of a Perry campaign, that those of us skeptical of the media should start asking “why is the media fawning over Perry so much?”

    I suspect that the media won’t sit on THIS story like they have done the Khalidi tape that was supposed to have been released AFTER the 2008 election.

    Has anyone seen that tape? Anyone?

  77. GB. I was looking for a short, succinct definition from you in your own words.

  78. Interested Bystander | September 7, 2011 at 5:02 pm |

    I suspect the media has something on Perry that they are holding until after the nomination process has run it’s course. Not sure what it is, but the way the media is touting Perry, I wouldn’t doubt that it is a doosie.
    ***************************************
    That has been my thought, also. It is quite suspicious that the media is pushing Perry in the way that they have. It is almost like the Repubs are being set up for a fall.

  79. http://news.yahoo.com/debate-presents-crucial-gop-test-093000808.html

    Assuming the Texas wildfires don’t keep Perry at home, he will be the most-scrutinized candidate at the debate. The state’s longest-serving chief
    executive has had all the momentum heading into tonight’s event

  80. http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/rick-perry-debuts-as-debater-at-reagan-library/2011/09/07/gIQAMuUb9J_story.html

    Even Ronald Reagan won’t be able to compete with the attention likely to be focused on Texas Gov. Rick Perry at Wednesday’s Republican debate at the Reagan Presidential Library in California.

    Perry has catapulted to the front of the presidential field since joining the GOP nominating contest last month. But Wednesday’s debate, hosted by NBC and Politico, marks his first appearance onstage with his competitors. He will be watched closely to see how he handles their jabs — and how he defines himself and his candidacy before a live, national audience.

  81. This is the best way anybody can explain Neo conservative

  82. Obviously the msm and the demRats have no info to smear Rick Perry or they would have used it already. The worst thing they have found is that like President Reagan, Gov Perry was once a democrat.

  83. Jonah……………………..
    Jimmy Hoffa Jr.,is a a well known BLOWHARD. All he really does is suck the blood of the Teamsters Union, but alas many of them HATE HOFFA’S GUTS but are afraid to say anything against him because the teamsters has an INTERNAL MANAGEMENT SQUAD, and one of their functions is to keep potentially errant truckers “IN LINE”. They do this via anything that they think will get the trucker’s attention……broken windows, or broken bones. Hoffa has lit the match, now let ue see if he will put his money where his mouth is, by lighting the fuse. Many independent truckers have wives and family who are active in the TEA PARTY……..and if Hoffa actually lights the fuse then there will be one hell of a war within the Teamsters Union itself. It could end with Hoffa Jr. joining his father. The teamsters Union does not play games. They have too much to lose.

  84. http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/09/07/rick.perry.showtime/

    >b>After a quick and relatively easy ride to the top of the GOP field in less than a month, the Texas governor now has to perform. And for many conservatives, the Reagan Presidential Library is a solid scene-setter for a classic California western. Make that a wild west shootout for Perry, who will probably see attacks coming from all sides.

  85. http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5ipGVOYWk4_lmMO2V8tpWBYOkZKdw?docId=CNG.1ed529f5773eca2a7522d667c5bbf188.6d1

    Texas Governor Rick Perry arrived Wednesday for his closely-watched debut at a Republican debate, after surging into the race as frontrunner to fight Barack Obama for the White House.

    Perry looked relaxed as he turned up early — apparently before most of the other seven candidates — to prepare for the two-hour debate at the Ronald Reagan presidential library in California, starting at 5:00 pm

  86. And there you have it folks! Neo Con’s gave them selves the name.

    Can Freedom and the Republic survive this take over??

    Great video GB thanks for posting

  87. Paxson,
    Sorry just saw your post.
    Liberal in conservative clothing.

  88. Paxson……………….
    I mean no offense,but I am not sure if brevity was even possible with respect to what Innocent Bystander had to say. There is a time and place for FEW words,but I think that IB said it best. That is what counts. Again …..NO OFFENSE, just a respectful viewpoint.

  89. CQ,
    Your welcome anytime!
    Chuck Baldwin warned us “We the people!”

  90. RON PAUL EXPLODING !

  91. GB. The reason I’m asking is because you said a bunch of neo-cons were posting here. The video that you posted that you said best defined “Neo Conservative” said the word “pre-emption” was the difference and that Neo Conservatives “don’t care about the constitution “.

    I say to you that for the most part, I don’t think that there is anybody here who doesn’t care about the constitution. There are vast differences about what our role in the world should be, especially as it pertains to Israel. But I don’t think that there are many neo Conservatives here, who were initially Jewish folks who were more liberal on social policy, but more hawkish on foreign policy. I could be wrong.

  92. Well, I have to admit it Perry just done something that I admire in anyone no matter their political faith……….he showed up EARY at the Reagan Library. Whether this was simply an accident,or by design it tells me something about him. But for now I will not be specific. I need a hell of a lot more before he even gets on my list.

  93. Paxson………………..
    YOU ARE NOT WRONG!

  94. Old Salt. No worries. I take it all in and absorb. I don’t begrudge anybody their perspective. If I disagree, I throw my two cents in to show that person my perspective. I don’t necessarily disagree, with the premise of what IB and others are saying. I just think that their solution is misguided, in my humble opinion.

  95. Counting down to Gov. Perry kicking Nutter Ron Paul’s ass tonight!

    Thanks for Obot’s coming and providing entertainment today, some fun reading!

    Just one more thought
    @ Interesting Bystander
    Who exactly promised you a SS check? Did you get that in writing?
    Your money paid for someone elses comfortable retirement, look behind you, there are no more suckers left. Do the math.

  96. I’m not a tea partier yet rather
    A RON PAUL REVOLUTIONARY

  97. Social Security is a social contract between the people and the government. If it isn’t then end it now. There is nothing wrong with IB wanting to make sure that his check will be there on the hundreds of thousands of dollars that he paid into it that is possibly worth millions with compound interest. It is a separate tax that was essentially stolen by the Democrats in the LBJ era when they moved those funds into the General Revenue to fund their Great Society.

    Either way, we all paid into it and continue to pay into it. There is nothing wrong with a person counting on that money to be there. The first candidate to come up with a viable solution for Social Security will have a leg up on the competition.

  98. Pat 1789……………..
    You are technically right. I have gone back and researched a LOT of the Social Security propaganda, and guess what……..no where so far have I ever found the word GUARANTEE in any of the SSA descriptive literature. I have come to the conclusion that when LBJ,and Congress acted to liquidate the ANNUITIES they knew then that the funds would be depleted for their own PERSONAL GAIN. This is the sort of CRIMINALS that we are up against.

  99. This is why I look with great skepticism ANYBODY who was a Democrat AFTER LBJ.. they knew who they were joining. The only excuse I’ll take is that they were young and stupid.

  100. Al Gores Texas Cheerleader, flip flop gardasil Perry

  101. Paxson,
    Just google some names and oh my what comes up.If you know what I mean.Check it out,google is great.

  102. Pat 1789 | September 7, 2011 at 6:05 pm |
    Counting down to Gov. Perry kicking Nutter Ron Paul’s ass tonight!

    Thanks for Obot’s coming and providing entertainment today, some fun reading!

    Just one more thought
    @ Interesting Bystander
    Who exactly promised you a SS check? Did you get that in writing?
    Your money paid for someone elses comfortable retirement, look behind you, there are no more suckers left. Do the math.

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    LOL!

    The conventional wisdom is that Perry will play it safe. I don’t think so. I expect him to kick ron paul’s butt and put a beating on Romney as well. The rest of the also-rans are no threat to him whatsoever so I expect that he will be easy on the also-rans knowing that they will soon be dropping out and throwing their support to him.

  103. ………..From that date forward the Social Security money was part of the GENERAL FUND which thereafter has never guaranteed a return upon any of the money witheld from people’s wages. Yet the LAW demanded the witholding. The time for something to have been done was when LBJ<along with Congress ILLEGALLY stole the SS TRUSTS which were then ANNUITIES. These are legal and STILL USED financial instruments. They are NOT a Ponzi Scheme. During the depression a number of people were able to eat only because of the ANNUITIES they held in companies such as Prudential,and Mutual of Omaha just to name two. Had the SS annuities been left alone they would have been viable

    instruments today,and BACKED by the world's strongest insurance companies. Yes it could now easily be looked upon as a pponzi scheme.

  104. GB. I can only comment on what I see here in the posts. I think that most everybody, even FS, cares about the constitution. There are many other differences on other subjects. Unfortunately the decorum is So poor with one poster that it is impossible to hammer out the differences to find common ground in our battle against our mutual Nemesis.

  105. LiveStream of the Simi Valley Beat Down!

    http://www.politico.com/livestream/

  106. GIBSON CEO WILL ATTEND OBAMA’S JOB SPEECH: Says Federal Raid Will Cost Company $10 Million (Video)

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/09/gibson-ceo-will-be-at-obama-jobs-speech-says-federal-raid-will-cost-company-10-million/

  107. The people to blame for the SS mess is the LIBERAL A$$holes who saw fit to RAPE the savings of MILLIONS of workers, who had no choice; the money they paid in from their paycheck every week was witheld from their paycheck by law. But those people had no written GUARANTEE of a return on their money.

  108. Jonah. That Gibson Guitar case was disgusting abuse by Obama’s DOJ.

    Well said, Old Salt.

  109. There is no common ground to be found with hillbo demRats like paxson.

    ————————————————————————
    Paxson | March 21, 2011 at 8:58 pm |

    “Hillary… is looking like Barry frigging Goldwater to me right now. She’s the only grown up in the room and…there is no doubt that she is an American and loves our country…”

  110. Jonah | September 7, 2011 at 6:36 pm |
    GIBSON CEO WILL ATTEND OBAMA’S JOB SPEECH: Says Federal Raid Will Cost Company $10 Million (Video)

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/09/gibson-ceo-will-be-at-obama-jobs-speech-says-federal-raid-will-cost-company-10-million/

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    As a Guitarist from Tennessee who owns several Gibsons and Kramers, the boThug raid of Gibson US Factories is reprehensible. Gibson was raided because the CEO is a Republican Donor.

  111. http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/09/dick-cheney-to-hillary-clinton-run/

    “So far she hasn’t said she would, but I think it’s not a bad idea,” former Vice President Dick Cheney told ABC’s Jonathan Karl in an interview on Wednesday to promote his new book “In My Time.”

    Cheney declined to say whether he thought the current Secretary of State would have been a better president than Barack Obama, but called her a “pretty formidable individual.”

    “I think she’s probably the most competent person they’ve got in their– in their cabinet. And– frankly, I thought she was gonna win the nomination last time around,” Cheney said. “Maybe if– the Obama record is bad enough– and these days it’s not very good, given the shape of the economy maybe there will be enough ferment– in the Democratic Party so that there will be a primary on their side.”

  112. Let me see if I got this right.

    The Justice department says it’s wrong to import rose wood from India so they raid an American company and confiscate their wood. Meanwhile, the Immigration department turns a blind eye to millions of immigrants entering the country illegally from Mexico and Obama tells the Feds not to deport them.

    The Department of Labor tries to tell Boeing where they can and cannot build their planes. Labor unions demand high wages and expensive benefit plans. The government demands multiple taxes from small businesses. And then they complain when businesses are leaving this country in droves.

  113. Jonah | September 7, 2011 at 7:01 pm |

    bo wants to shut down Gibson’s US Factories and send the jobs overseas.

  114. Jonah,

    The Gibson CEO was told by the “Justice” dept. thugs that their problems would go away if they had the wood for Gibsons finished overseas and he contributed to the demRats.

  115. I don’t think BO WANTS to send jobs overseas. He wants to punish non union businesses who donate to Republicans, even if it destroys our country. It reminds me of Mafia thuggery.

  116. oldsalt79 | September 7, 2011 at 6:37 pm |

    Agreed

    Sad to say
    The last of of the Bommers are going to get the shaft on this.
    There’s just not enouigh younger workers to steal from, that is unless we allow illegals to pay into the system with no return.
    The new slaves.

  117. Rep. Issa : DOJ Let Explosives Walk in Operation Fast and Furious – 9/7/11

  118. not my day
    edit
    Bommers
    Boomers
    enouigh
    enough

    debate time

  119. 68truthseeker | September 7, 2011 at 7:51 pm |

    what’s next Tanks, Stingers..????

  120. Isn’t rosewood in most flooring stores in America? Is OB going to shut down all the flooring companies too?

  121. All but ron paul are impressive. I would support any of these candidates except ron paul.

  122. Gov Perry just made ron paul look like the fool that he is. All but ron paul look and sound Presidential. I am particularly impressed by Huntsman and Perry.

  123. Huntsman and Perry are very impressive.

  124. ron paul is an IDIOT!

  125. Huntsman is much more impressive than Romney.

  126. Interested Bystander

    Hey All,

    Look, my whole point on the Social Security comment above was how ludicrus it is for the Government to even START a program like Social Security. Lucky for me and the spouse, we are NOT expecting a Social Security benefit, but if we get just a fraction of what I have put in the last 33 years (or 50 years by the time I am of age to receive the benefit), it will be “icing on the cake” for us. I’m just hopeful that my retirement fund is available when I retire. I’m seriously considering putting ALL of my money in to precious metals

    They all start out as “good” programs, and evolve in to these schemes.

    Medicaid, Medicare, and SCHIPS, are a good examples along with Social Security.

    The Government DICTATES to those who provide a service how much will be paid for a certain procedure. What this does is take the free market out of the equation. The Government should not and are NOT responisble for it’s citizens. The Government IS responsible for setting an environment that would allow it’s citizens to thrive.

    Social Security should never have been started, let alone expanded in to the “program” it has become.

    As far as “Fast and Furious” is concerned:

    The media has NOT done it’s duty in reporting this illegal program.

    If this were a Republican Administration the media would be all over it, demanding resignations, firings and impeachment even.

    When are the “people” going stop allowing themselves to be indoctrinated?

    Research and learn for yourselves.

    Lastly I would like to repeat this:

    The Republican Party of 2012 is the Democrat Party of 1961. That’s why there are so many “Democrat converts” on this board.

    I still ask, where is the Republican Party of 1961? Where do those of us who are TRUELY conservative turn?

    Call Paul exteme, radical or “neo” conservative, he and Cain describe programs that would actually try to turn this Country around.

    Don’t think I’m so nieve that I believe that this can be done over night. It can’t be fixed right now, it has to be done over five or six years.

    However, with that commented, it is TIME to start down that track. It is TIME for us to realize, as a citizen of the United States, it is OUR responsibility to keep Government OUT of our lives. Quit telling us what size toilet we can have, quit telling us how many miles a gallon our cars have to get, quit telling us what kind of light bulb we can use in our lamps, quit telling us what we can grow in our OWN back yards and the list goes on and on.

    From what I hear from the candidates, Paul most represents how I feel on the issues.

    Cain is a close second.

    oldsalt, paxson, Tina and others, I feel humbled that you would discuss my comments.

    I respect everyone on this board except for one person who believes that he owns the place.

    I’ll get off my soap box now.

  127. Perry/Huntsman or Hunstman/Perry would be a great ticket.

  128. Ron Paul is doing very poorly in the debate. Every candidate said they wanted a fence to control the border. Paul said a fence would keep us in, and there was stunned silence. Perry and Romney are both doing well. The others are as well. Huntsman looks a bit like a sick puppy, but still better than Obama.

  129. Huntsman is both honest and courageous. He just made ron paul totally irrelevant .

  130. Interested Bystander

    “Free Speech | September 7, 2011 at 8:36 pm |

    All but ron paul are impressive. I would support any of these candidates except ron paul.”

    Commented like a true “ex” democrat.

    I don’t think Perry is helping himself with his answers, especially the one where he used the worn out phrase

    “if it saves one life……….”

    When are the “people” going to realize that those few words are MEANINGLESS?

    If it were true this

    “if it saves one life………”

    then we wouldn’t be allowed to drive, or fly, or walk.

    It’s pitiful that “people” fall for that rhetoric.

  131. Interested Bystander

    Again, Perry uses the worn out phrase

    “in the best interest of the United States”

    when committing troops.

    There is NO WHERE in the Constitution that says we have the ability to use military force simply when it is

    “in the best interest of the United States”

    There are guidelines written in to the Constitution about when military action can be used.

    How about using THAT as your guide?

  132. Huntsman just said the Republicans “can’t from science.”

  133. Well, thanks to this debate, Perry is showing that he’s no brainiac but
    rather someone easily tempted to go along to get along. Newt’s a great idea guy but not a great leader type personality. Santorum (one of the truest arrows of the group morally), Bachman, Cain look like solid citizens who really are the best types for this country’s leadership. Romney’s good too, tested and experienced enough to not make the same mistakes while Huntsman is another talker (that’s what ambassadors do best) and doesn’t appear to have the inner energy it takes.

  134. Huntsman and Perry won this debate.

  135. Perry/Huntsman would be a well balanced ticket ideologically.

  136. Huntsman just said the Republicans “can’t run from science.” That was an honest and courageous statement.

  137. Extraordinally rightgeous and courageous answer by Gov. Perry on the death penalty!

  138. The establishment republicans need to dump Romney and get behind Huntsman.

  139. Well, as par for the lame stream media, Brian muffed up the wrap up time to make the debate program cohesive by forgetting the time allotted and just suddenly ending everything. Duh!

  140. Romney is helping himself tonight. Bachman is probably done. Cain will be an excellent VP choice. Perry left open some doors for critique, bit didn’t hurt himself. Huntsman is smart but too contrived. Ron Paul has valid ideas, but his presentation style of those ideas is meandering and disorganized. Santorum, although a noble person, has no shot. Gingrich is smart as usual and had the best line of the night accusing the press of being in bed with Obama and trying to make Republicans fight.

    Just my two cents. Every one of them would be an improvement.

  141. Huntsman and Paul appeared to be the poorest tonight as far as the ability to lead. Confused and generalizing too much re: actually getting the enormous job done.

  142. I thought Perry took Huntsman apart on the science issue. The science is not settled on global warming and its causes. I really liked Perry, Bachmann, Santorum, Romney and Cain. Paul just added to his looney answers. Now he’s not worried about Iran or illegal immigrants, and thinks a border fence will keep Americans in. Just weird.

  143. Paxson | September 7, 2011 at 9:52 pm |

    Good observation

  144. Maybe Huntsman’s Daddy can buy him a spot on the ticket. He speaks Chinese afterall. What a douche

  145. Free Speech | September 7, 2011 at 8:36 pm |

    All but ron paul are impressive. I would support any of these candidates except ron paul.”

    add Huntsman to the list for me, Ill just stay home like interested bystander.

  146. Interested Bystander

    Paxson:

    “Ron Paul has valid ideas, but his presentation style of those ideas is meandering and disorganized.”

    I agree, however reading his policies, they are articulate and with meaning.

    Some people just are not made for trying to “sell” their policies.

    Paul is one of those.

    His “fense” answer was a good example. Read his words on his position, and it makes much more sense than the words he spoke tonight.

  147. People that suddenly think Huntsman is good for our government need to do some homework. He has shown himself to be an ally of Obama in his prior statements and especially when he accepted the Obama appointment as ambassador to China. He is by far the most liberal of the candidates.

  148. You can already see the “crap” stories appear. Chenney tells Hillary to run for president. Then lo and behold what story do we have on Drudge? Monica Lewinsky. Not that we don’t know everything about it mind you.

    But wait! What story should come out next about BO? Well, we all know, his homosex stories, right?

    Well, time for that, I guess.

  149. Tina | September 7, 2011 at 9:55 pm |
    I thought Perry took Huntsman apart on the science issue. The science is not settled on global warming and its causes. I really liked Perry, Bachmann, Santorum, Romney and Cain. Paul just added to his looney answers. Now he’s not worried about Iran or illegal immigrants, and thinks a border fence will keep Americans in. Just weird.

    ——————————————————————–
    I respectfully disagree re: Huntsman. I thought he was very impressive, Presidential and his position on the science issue was better than Perry’s. Of course, Perry’s position is probably better for the Republican Primary Voters, but Huntsman’s answer was better for the general election. I totally agree with you about ron paul. He is weird.

  150. Interested Bystander

    Pat commented:

    “Ill just stay home like interested bystander.”

    It is the OBLIGATION of the voting aged citizen of our Country to make an INFORMED decision as far as who they vote for.

    I have NOT sit out a Presidential election since I became voting age in 1980, and I don’t plan on starting next year.

    I will research ALL candidates and vote for the person I believe is BEST for our Country.

    That’s why I voted for Perot in 1992 AND 1996.

    I tried to vote for the “winner” last time, because I wanted to beat Obama that bad, but sadly that was in vain.

    I learned my lesson last time and I REFUSE to “hold my nose” this time around.

  151. Huntsman is at his core a State Dept. kind of guy. And we all know what that dept. is full of and what their typical liberal philosophy is….as is Hillary. And when that is your core you are basically a one world type and have already surrendered this country for what you feel is inevitably coming down the road.

  152. Paxson | September 7, 2011 at 9:52 pm |

    Paxson, I pretty much agree with your assessment. I do think that Perry didn’t help himself by the comments he made on social security. In fact, it could be used against him in the days ahead. We know what he means by “Ponzi scheme” but the general population misunderstands. In fact, Perry didn’t have the luster that so many have ascribed to him. He may have been distracted by the fire devastation in Texas.

    There were not enough opportunities for Cain to express himself. He is very good, imo, but doesn’t seem to gain the traction he needs. He really is my pick at this point.

    I was shocked over Paul’s response re. the fence and that it could be used to keep us in. I will give him the benefit of the doubt in some respects, but he leaves me cold at times with his comments.

    Romney seemed in very good form tonight, but I don’t believe he is truly conservative.

    Any of them would be better than Obummer. He is out to destroy the country. He is not inept as some say. He has been very successful in fulfilling his goals – to fundamentally transform America. None of the candidates wants to destroy our country.

  153. Newt always says smart things, but probably has too much baggage, but he is very good in debates. Santorum would be a good VP choice or Cain, if Romney is the nominee. Cain and Romney are the two tallest and the tallest people typically win the elections statistically.

  154. IB. I hear you about Ron Paul and I like him and agree with him on 95%. The 5% is what kills it for me. Rand is a better articuator an is a bit toned down in some of the issues that I am not in cohesion on with Paul.

    FS. Thinking that a candidate did better because their answer will appeal better (sounds better) to a particular voting block is the last reason to vote for that person. Perry did poorly on that question because he didn’t answer it. Where does he get his scientific opinion on CLIMATE CHANGE from.? There are a myriad of answers at his disposal like the recent emails that were released from the so called experts showing manipulation. It was a weak moment for Perry.

  155. Liked how Newt cut to the quick re: firing Bernanke tomorrow with reasons why (as he usually does) and like Perry’s assessment of Karl Rove. Rove is really yesterday’s news disguised as trying to still be relevant.

  156. Paxson I agree with you on Rand Paul.

  157. I hate to say it, but Huntsman reminds me of John Edwards with his eyebrow movements and his hair. Huntsman seems phony to me, and with him wanting to pull the troops from most places, he is almost as isolationist as Ron Paul is, and is to the left of Obama. I am not sure I can trust Huntsman. His policies don’t make me feel safe. I feel Perry, Romney, Santorum, Bachmann and Cain would keep us safe. That being said, Huntsman was better than last time, and I like his tax reform ideas.

  158. It will be interesting to see what the polls show. I wouldn’t be surprised to see that Perry was the big winner, but I would not be surprised to see Huntsman polling well among independents and women.

  159. Not a fun of Huntsman, and definitely not a fan of the false religion of “evolution.” Yep, it’s a false religious system.

  160. My typo, should read: Not a FAN of Huntsman….

  161. Although I am not in Romney’s corner, I actually think that he won the debate. Whether or not that translates into polling share is another story. Huntsman is not my cup of tea, but he has decent debating skills as well. Perry did o.k. but in a General election they are going to grill him on specifics. He was loose in some of his answers. Santorum just looked out of his element. Cain looks like the senior to the group with the practical common sense. He is a longshot, but I hope he will be in the mix for VP. Ron Paul is too defensive, perhaps rightfully so, bit his answers are rushed and not articulated well. He is actually a lot more credible ethnic they make him out to be and Herman Cain is constantly reaching out to Paul in agreement. Bachman did herself no favors tonight.

  162. I totally agree with you about Gov Perry and ron paul.

  163. observer | September 7, 2011 at 10:20 pm |
    Liked how Newt cut to the quick re: firing Bernanke tomorrow with reasons why (as he usually does) and like Perry’s assessment of Karl Rove. Rove is really yesterday’s news disguised as trying to still be relevant.

    ——————————————-
    I agree.

  164. Tina | September 7, 2011 at 10:31 pm |

    I totally agree with you about Gov Perry and ron paul.

  165. Not at the debate, but one thing I agree with Ron Paul on, he said O’Reilly is not a journalist and wouldn’t understand what he meant by that. I did laugh at that.

  166. Free Speech | September 7, 2011 at 11:03 pm |
    Tina | September 7, 2011 at 10:31 pm |

    I totally agree with you about Gov Perry and ron paul.
    ———-

    Thanks, FS.

  167. Tina | September 7, 2011 at 11:08 pm |
    Free Speech | September 7, 2011 at 11:03 pm |
    Tina | September 7, 2011 at 10:31 pm |

    I totally agree with you about Gov Perry and ron paul.
    ———-

    Thanks, FS.

    ————————————————–
    U R Welcome. I always enjoy your insightful intelligent comments. You have me second guessing my assessment of Huntsman. Maybe your intuition is on to something that I missed. Now that you mention it, Huntsman was slick. Maybe too slick. Perry was very genuine.

  168. It will be interesting to see what the polls say, FS.

  169. Tina | September 7, 2011 at 11:20 pm |
    It will be interesting to see what the polls say, FS.

    ————————————————————
    I think Perry will get a boost. ron paul will probably stay the same since his delusional supporterd will never abandon their wacko leader. I don’t know about the rest.

  170. Tina,

    Let me be specific. I agree with Perry regarding the Global Warming issue, but I think Huntsman is right in that the Republicans will box themselves into a corner that is not appealing to moderate independents if they come off as anti-science.

  171. Huntsman’s point about being for science as an overall idea is a good one, FS, I agree.

  172. Free Speech | September 7, 2011 at 9:04 pm |

    Huntsman and Perry are very impressive.
    ————————–
    Free Speech | September 7, 2011 at 9:19 pm |

    Huntsman is much more impressive than Romney.
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    Free Speech | September 7, 2011 at 9:23 pm |

    Perry/Huntsman or Hunstman/Perry would be a great ticket.
    ————————————–
    Free Speech | September 7, 2011 at 9:28 pm |

    Huntsman is both honest and courageous. He just made ron paul totally irrelevant.
    ———————————————————
    Free Speech | September 7, 2011 at 9:36 pm |

    Huntsman just said the Republicans “can’t from science.”
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    Free Speech | September 7, 2011 at 9:39 pm |

    Huntsman and Perry won this debate.
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    Free Speech | September 7, 2011 at 9:42 pm |

    Perry/Huntsman would be a well balanced ticket ideologically.
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    Free Speech | September 7, 2011 at 9:43 pm |

    Huntsman just said the Republicans “can’t run from science.” That was an honest and courageous statement.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    GAG ME!!!
    If this doesn’t absolutely positively unequivocally beet all! The lib media’s darling Huntsman, is now THE most prolific poster’s favorite boy toy.

    CW, ban me again if you wish. I don’t care. What do I have to lose. This person that you entertain on this sight is not one of us. He is obviously not a person of good will. He is disruptive, combative, accusatory and most of all derisive. No sorry, I take that back. He is most of all hoggish. He also appears to have no conscience. Judging by his last 8 or so posts, he is a fan of Huntsman which is by no means a conservative. Ask yourself. “Does ____advance our cause”? Most here, though they disagree on a wide range of ideas and issues do so respectfully. Respect is paramount. Yet that word seems to be anathema to _____.

    Tomorrow, some will express their reservations about Huntsman, or even Perry. I can see it now. They will be called “demrat, obot etc.”. He is truly a broken record. It is getting so very stale.

  173. SUEQ,

    I don’t think you should be banned or FS should be banned for tonight’s comments. We are having a thoughtful discussion on the field of GOP candidates. As far as I know, FS is a supporter of Perry who is a strong conservative, but FS feels Huntsman did well. Next time he may feel Huntsman didn’t do well. it is just his observations of tonight’s debate. We have to consider the positions of all and put the best candidates forward if we are to beat OB. Just mho. maybe I comment too much too. call me enthusiastic.

  174. Tina,
    You seem like a thoughtful person of goodwill. I have some difficulties with a certain poster here which I probably should have kept to myself. Sorry.
    Don’t stop commenting. You have much to say.

  175. Tina | September 7, 2011 at 11:49 pm |

    IMHO best to ignore SueQ. She is a NUT, either an obot or a hillbot. CW banned her because of her outrageously hateful defamatory personal attacks. She will get banned again because she is a lunatic out of control.

    Of course, you are correct. I still favor Perry. It is still a two man race between Perry and Romney. I don’t trust Romney. He has no core beliefs. He will flip-flop on a dime. I merely thought than Huntsman did well. Frankly I was surprised.

    I too thought that Newt did well but I don’t think he can win and is just running to sell books and lecture tickets.

  176. Jack Cashill:

    “The hole in Ann Dunham’s biography”

    “In the last year or so respected publishers have released four biographies by mainstream authors that feature, as a central fact, the birth of President Barack Obama to his mother, Stanley Ann Dunham (Ann), in 1961.

    Given that there has been a certain controversy about the birth, one might expect that each of the books would, if not settle the controversy, at least deal with it intelligently. None of them does.

    All of these books were published with the eligibility controversy in full flower. The informed reader would expect the authors, especially Dunham’s biographer Scott, to at least comment on the absence of information. None does.

    The reporting on Obama’s birth is, if anything, even more evasive. All four rely on the certification of live birth (COLB) first posted online in 2008 by the Daily Kos.

    There is no talk of Dunham’s morning sickness, her labor pains, the worried grandparents, the frantic drive to the hospital, the grueling birth, the crying baby, the contented mom, the dubious looks from the hospital staff – the kind of details one would expect in any biography.

    Nor do these biographers show any pictures of a pregnant Dunham or a newborn Obama. One has to wonder whether they could find no evidence or simply chose not to share what they did find.”

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=342465#ixzz1XK8wdIkk

  177. I just saw Romney’s answers to the first 2 questions about job creation and he was impressive. I enjoyed the give and take between Romney and Perry. They both made the Republicans proud tonite.

    With the exception of ron paul the Republicans have an excellent field of candidates.

  178. IMHO Newt had the best moment of the debate when he chastized that politico creep for trying to get Republicans to fight and he said, “We are a team here and we all are committed to defeating bo.”

  179. Just for the record,

    I am no Ron Paul fan either. The only exception I agree with Ron Paul strongly is his stance on the Federal Reserve. Audit it and eventually eliminate it. However, I feel his best capability to continue the Federal Reserve work is in his current capacity as a member of the House, not as the President.

    Ron Paul is just as much a Constitutional Coward and appeaser as Romney/Perry/Huntsman and the rest of them. Again, don’t believe me, ask his staff in a written letter exactly how he plans on addressing the most massive constitutional fraud ever committed in this Country, and review your response.

  180. With the exception of ron paul, I would support any of these candidates including Romney.

  181. By the way,

    To answer a commenter up the page; there is no such thing as an “Ex” liberal Democrat.

    That’s akin to calling Putin of Russia an “Ex” communist.

    Doesn’t work that way..

  182. Check this out:
    According to Poll: Who Do You Think Won the Republican Debate at the Reagan Library?
    42% – Ron Paul
    22% – Mitt Romney
    17% – Rick Perry
    (The rest all in single digits)

    http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/09/07/7658608-who-do-you-think-won-the-republican-debate-at-the-reagan-library
    *****************************
    Whenever an on-line poll is conducted, the Paul supporters appear in droves, as they are extremely supportive of him.

  183. Cabby,

    Your statement is true. As in the past, Ron Paul supporters do in fact gain in percentile over the years and during the initial candidate selection process.

  184. Cabby,

    By the way, there are many Liberal Socialist Democrats now considering switching tickets away from Obama and running on the Republican ticket.
    Does that make them Republican now? Of course not. But neither is Perry. As I said above, a Liberal Democrat just doesn’t wake up one morning and hit his forehead and say “dang, I just had a V-8 moment” and change entire life beliefs of this Country and Constitution.

    It doesn’t work that way. Just ask Putin….

  185. William, I agree about Perry. Somehow I don’t feel good about either Romney or Perry. Of course, it has to be conceded that a southern Democrat was always the conservative side of the old Dem party. There are just too many issues with Perry, e.g., his support for the highway between Mexico and Canada, his questionable immigration statements that he has made BEFORE he entered the race, even the jobs situation is not so much attributable to him as to the TX legislature. These are just simply issues that need to be addressed and not glossed over no matter how popular some here feel that he is.

  186. Check this out, if you are concerned about Project Gunrunner. The same thing appears to be happening in the U.S.

    http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-national/exclusive-report-documents-indicate-atf-fbi-allowed-indiana-crime-gun-sales

    Documents Indicate ATF, FBI allowed Indiana “crime gun” sales.

  187. For more on this important story of the ATF supplying guns to criminals stateside, read Drew’s comment at Dr. Kates:

    http://drkatesview.wordpress.com/2011/09/05/democrats-and-racism/#comment-42384

    This is not being covered by the media, so it is vital that we spread the word around. Drew has provided the other links. This just may be the way that Obummer is intending on supplying weapons to his goon squads.

  188. Good Morning! I watched the debate last night on MSNBC. It was good. However, I have not watched NBC in several years and found myself feeling like I had bedbugs by just turning the channel to those guys. Next debate on NBC I will need to spray myself with DDT first.

    Anyway…
    Perry did fine for his first time out. He will get better. He needs to better explain why Texas has some low numbers regarding education and healthcare coverage.

    I would assume both have to do with the populations’ make up of a fair percentage of illegals coming across the boarder looking for jobs. Many of the kids coming across the boarder lack education and when they get plugged into the Texas education system it would necessarily strain the system and reflect in the numbers some bean counter has come up with. Same with uninsured percentages and lower pay jobs. Many people go to Texas looking for work, any work, from all of the Texas boarders and many of those come with no healthcare and are just trying to get on their feet before dealing such things as insurance. There’s always the emergency room.

    I liked Perry’s explanation of his immigration plan.

    I really liked what Gingrich had to say about immigration. He is always thoughtful. I could see him as a VP choice given his knowledge of how the system works.

    I thought Santorum was good on immigration and conservatives’ caring for the poor. He is spot on with the hand up and not keeping poor on road to dependency. He has a lot of passion. However, Santorum’s the social issue warrior. I really hope the focus will stay on economic issues. That is the Tea Party’s strength and I think they should stay out of weeds with the social issues.

    I also thought Huntsman did fine. However, I don’t like or trust the fact that he is the mainstream media’s choice FOR the Republicans.

    I think that Romney actually did the best of the front-runners. He showed a lot of class by not piling on Perry regarding the inoculation of young girls issue.

    I also liked when Gingrich got on the Politico hack’s but when he constantly tried to get candidates to fight each other. I like Gingrich but he has high negatives (rightly or wrongly). He was the media’s biggest whipping post before Palin and Bachmann.

    Bachmann did fine. However, I don’t think she did enough to move up.

    Ron Paul did fine. I like 90% of what he says. However, the 10% dealing with foreign policy could lead to Israel’s destruction. I don’t think he is anti-Semitic like some allege. He is just so firm on his beliefs about non-intervention that it could be dangerous.

    Cain was very good. I don’t think he can break out. Maybe in the coming months he will gain traction.

    The person I find myself wanting to see more of is Thad McCotter.

    I’m also a strong Palin fan. I hope she will decide soon so people can really start to focus on the field and start opening their wallets. I’m not giving yet but I want to see the final product.

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