Tony Rezko sentenced to 126 months, November 22, 2011, Judge Amy J. St. Eve, Rezko never called as witness, 10 1/2 year sentence

Tony Rezko sentenced to 126 months,  November 22, 2011, Judge Amy J. St. Eve, Rezko never called as witness, 10 1/2 year sentence

“Why wasn’t Rod Blagojevich, Governor of IL, prosecuted before Tony Rezko, a businessman?”…Citizen Wells

“I’m assuming the information is about the payments made by Rezko to Obama, so we know we’re talking about the right conversation, right?” …Attorney Daniel Konicek, Frawley Deposition

“I just think it’s very, very disturbing that we have these pay-to-play allegations going on for years.”…Patrick Fitzgerald

“Why was Tony Rezko’s sentencing delayed?”…Citizen Wells

Tony Rezko, a longtime associate and friend of Barack Obama, who was convicted in June 0f 2008 and never called as a witness, was sentenced today in the courtroom of Judge Amy J. St. Eve. Rezko was sentenced to 126 months.

Live feeds from courtroom by Natasha Korecki of the Chicago SunTimes:

“Line for Rezko sentencing already stretching down court hallway. Two rows of his family in place in courtroom.”

“Rezko looks over to his daughter briefly and she grows emotional. His lawyer now giving Rezko history to judge.”

“Rezko lawyer says Lon Monk far more culpable in Blagojevich probe but got 24-month deal.”

“Lawyer says Rezko, 56, is bankrupt and will never act criminally again.. ” I cannot overstate how remorseful Mr. Rezko is.””

“Prosecutor’s turn now in Rezko. Says his conduct was “about as bad as it gets in a pol corruption case…Illinois was for sale.”

“Rezko clearly agitated as prosecutor says Rezko overstated bad conditions in county jail. Says Rezko got sunlight — through skylights.”

“Tony Rezko sentenced to 126 months in prison. He’s already served about 44.”

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145 responses to “Tony Rezko sentenced to 126 months, November 22, 2011, Judge Amy J. St. Eve, Rezko never called as witness, 10 1/2 year sentence

  1. Well this was a great surprise ! That still leaves a PRESIDENTIAL PARDON…..

  2. Rezko was taken care of early, put in prison & kept there on purpose.

  3. Mr. Bill(ms. helga)

    He’s lucky he’s not dead -Read the following –

    Mortrey | November 21, 2011 at 8:35 pm |

    Obama’s “Dead Pool”: (it’s rivaling Clintoons’.)

    http://www.nachumlist.com/deadpool.htm

  4. They had to give him enough of a sentence to use as leverage against him going to the media. If he keeps his mouth shut like a good boy, he’ll get out early…

  5. Rezko need to watch his back in prison !

    The chickens may come home to roost.

  6. Rminnc, Yes a lot can happen in the hoosegow to assure that he never sees the outside world again. O doesn’t want him to be talking!

  7. P.S. Even knowing too much is very dangerous.

  8. Brief mention of Rezko on Rush.

    “He’s the only person from Obama’s past we know anything about”,

    Briefed us on the Rezko/Obama land scam deal.

    Huzzah!

  9. Headline on DRUDGE,

    “Political fixer” and Obama pal Tony Reko gets 10 years in prison’.

    “Obama pal”.

    Priceless.

  10. The Chicago Sun Times only refers to him as a friend of Obama…even though he was Obama’s bag man and house fairy………. Our press sucks. http://www.suntimes.com/9001435-452/tony-rezko-former-friend-to-blagojevich-and-obama-to-be-sentenced-today.html

  11. Going through Rush’s transcript concerning Rezko.

    Only finding a single sentence concerning him.

    THAT. WAS. NOT. WHAT I. HEARD…

  12. Swear to God Rush DETAILED the land deal over the air and now it’s off trancript…

  13. TruthSeeker.
    You are correct.

  14. Rezko.
    Obama co-conspirator.

  15. Bless you CW,

    I knew I wasn’t hearing things…

  16. Hard to believe that Rezko is finally going to rent the farm. It all sure smacks of another person who spent some time in jail……………before they DONE HIM IN………his name was Jim McDougal. One of the stories is that one dark night about midnight a helicopter, painted black landed on the prison grounds, and a couple of people were admitted to the jail. They alleged told the head honcho that McDougal needed his injection for his heart condition. (But alas…..in truth McDougal has never had any sort of heart condition requiring any sort of injections.) Need I say any more?

  17. Swear to God,

    Zero’s goons must be sitting by just off Rush’s ditto-cam range…

  18. Voila………..the Clintons strike again! Right out of the Democratic playbook on page 2.

  19. Body count might soon increase by one. If Rezko wants to remain alive he better get some pals real quick. Right now he is like a bug on the floor with a shoe poised over his head.

  20. Daniel T. Frawley sentencing date is scheduled for December 20 and the 21st….Why 2 date’s I don’t know….a little confusing…but again it’s just day’s before Christmas…

  21. I think that it is time for Orly to get another country involved with their own complaint against Soetoro via the UN. While it probably would not help with removing Soetoro, it would serve to get the truth in the hands of those who he has signed treaties with. I think that these countries ALREADY have their SUSPICIONS, but with a little re inforcement they might just wake up and act. If that would happen Soetoro might end up at the Hague.

  22. Which country club will Rezko be staying at?

  23. Radar Ziva………Sing Sing, I hope ! The Airien Brotherhood is strong there I hear.

  24. Now all we need to do is put Soetoro in the same place as his IRANIAN BUDDY,with the same shoe poised over his own head,as well. Then we start cleaning out the DOJ,and Holder. Rats often squeal,as they are dealt blows. Wonder if Holder is one of the “SQUEALING” variety. Who knows……..if he was given some real incentives he might decide to squeal extra loud.

  25. BYE BYE, from under my rock!

  26. I would like to leave a thought behind tonight which I think might give a few of you a pretty good laugh……….In yesteryear our city was blessed by the presence of a Mayor whose name was Harry W. Baals. Given all the problems at hand in our country and nobody stepping up to the plate, perhaps it is time to exhume his body and stand him up somewhere in plain sight. Perhaps his name might serve as an inspiration…………somehow.

  27. What do the feds do when one of their informants turn on them? With hold information and then use it against them later?? When thier criminal target, decides to run for President, becomes hugely popular at rocket speed…what do they do with all the information they gathered??? What do they do when their new boss was hired specifically to protect the target of thier long time investigation??? How do they sleep at night?

  28. Thanks Bessie.

  29. Mr. Bill(ms helga)

    oldsalt79 | November 22, 2011 at 4:16 pm |

    Is this the same Harry Baals? They all sound like great characters.

    http://www.google.com/#hl=en&cp=16&gs_id=s&xhr=t&q=harry+w+baals+drive&pf=p&sclient=psy-ab&source=hp&pbx=1&oq=%22Harry+W.+Baals%22&aq=0vC&aqi=g-vC1&aql=&gs_sm=&gs_upl=&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=ba1579b3058242b6&biw=1600&bih=749

  30. 48 year ago today an event happened which changed America’s direction forever in the world….That day, they took our president down.

    This is the day that Kennedy killed in Dallas….at 12:15pm. Less than 2 hours later, Lying Lyndon Johnson took the oath of office on Air Force One with Jackie standing beside him still in her blood-stained pink dress.

    Today, I purposely searched several major newspapers across America, and all the main steam media for any coverage of this dastardly event. Surely all the media would be on this today. I looked, and looked, and looked for just a mere mention of this historic happening…..not a word have I seen.

    That set me too thinking. If Americans can so quickly forget a president who was murdered, and their memory dims in a short 48 year….It just goes to show how quickly our footprints are erased in the sands of time.

    I wonder if John had any visitors today at Arlington.

  31. Anyone interest in the TRUTH about the Kennedy murder read:

    CROSSFIRE by Jim Maars.
    He cuts to the chase and leaves no stone unturned.

  32. Another fluff piece:

    Amazing Ride Nears End for ‘First Brother’ Reggie Love

    http://news.yahoo.com/amazing-ride-nears-end-first-brother-reggie-love-193812368.html

    Rumors Persist Surrounding President Obama’s “Body Man” WARNING: Adult Content

    http://theulstermanreport.com/2011/11/21/rumors-persist-surrounding-president-obamas-body-man-warning-adult-content/

  33. Mr. Bill(ms. helga)

    rminnc | November 22, 2011 at 5:03 pm |
    ______________________________________________

    I found this at Lucianne today –

    http://www.lucianne.com/thread/?artnum=651963

    Read the comments from the Original Article. Very interesting.

  34. Mr. Bill(ms helga)

    Fox just announced the sentencing of Rezko – The only national news network so far as I have seen.

  35. TruthSeeker | November 22, 2011 at 3:02 pm | Swear to God,

    Zero’s goons must be sitting by just off Rush’s ditto-cam range…
    ——————————————————————————-

    Exactly……………..

  36. @TruthSeeker

    Headline on DRUDGE,

    “Political fixer” and Obama pal Tony Reko gets 10 years in prison’.

    “Obama pal”.

    Priceless.

    ————————————————

    Obama “palling” around with domestic terrorists and crooks. Who would’ve thought that about a guy who never had a real job or means of income…

  37. Mr Bill….I don’t think the writer of that article, Mr. Morris of the New York Times, or Ms. Lucianne got it.

    The story is still out there because our government has lied to us for over 48 years as to exactly what happened, and who did what to whom, and why they did it!

    Anyone that’s naive enough to believe Oswald acted alone please call me I have some prime property (the Brooklyn Bridge) for sale real cheap.

    Anyone that’s not able to understand Lyndon B. Johnson was the one person who had the most to gain from Kennedy’s death, call me.

    Anyone who’s incapable of believing our government ( or the people who run our government) are not capable of such an open coup by committing murder before the eyes of millions of viewers while they are having their lunch, needs to read up on their history….the real history, not what’s being taught in out schools today.

    Therein lies our unique problem.

    As Americans, we seldom learn from our past history. And our experiences have shown us that…
    “those who do not learn from their past mistakes are bound to repeat them”.

    .

  38. OBAMA’S BOSS AKA THE PUPPET MASTER JUST GETS RICHER IN OBAMALAND…
    George Soros Crafted Obama’s Stimulus,Then Invested in Companies that Benefitted from It

    http://giveusliberty1776.blogspot.com/

  39. Another presidential debate on national security – CNN – 8 PM Est.

  40. Pingback: Will 10 1/2 Years Make Obama Friend Tony Rezko Start Talking? « Larry Sinclair

  41. why hasnt george soros been charged with inside trading , he is not a memeber of congress so he is not exempt form being charged with in side knowledge , am i right just thinking

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  42. “Round Two” – the infamous, “hammer and sickle”, manuver !!!!!!!!!!http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=28177

  43. Huntsman is perfect for the State Dept. types/ambassador but not for this position or the Peter Principle will reign again!

    But anyone of these candidates are suchhhhhh an improvement over the enemy in the wh.

  44. on NOW:

    “The Andrea Shea King Show – Dr. Cyril Wecht …”

    “Forty eight years ago today, the world changed. Our young and popular president John F. Kennedy was shot down in Dallas at Dealey Plaza. Dr. Cyril Wecht, forensic pathologist and author of the 1993 book Cause of Death, testified in 1978 before the House Select Cmte on Assassinations never believed that Lee Harvey Oswald was the shooter. In painstaking detail, he laid out his case to the House Committee. The Committee’s Report ultimately opened the door to the possibility that the shooting was the result of a conspiracy, a successfully executed coup d’etat.”

    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/askshow/2011/11/23/the-andrea-shea-king-show

  45. Paul is really being the carmudgeon on just about every topic tonight…just close the door and pull the ceiling down over your head!

  46. Observer, I agree about Paul. The more I hear from him re. foreign policy and his understanding of liberty the more he scares me. He would not be able to defend this country. Period. His libertarian views override good sense. Just be nice to our enemies and they will be nice to us. Baloney!
    Paul does NOT understand the nature of EVIL.

  47. he will be ought in 2 years.

  48. Cabby – AZ on November 22, 2011 at 10:08 pm said:
    Observer, I agree about Paul. The more I hear from him re. foreign policy and his understanding of liberty the more he scares me. He would not be able to defend this country. Period. His libertarian views override good sense. Just be nice to our enemies and they will be nice to us. Baloney!
    Paul does NOT understand the nature of EVIL.

    ——–
    Yes. I thought that too.

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  50. New Video, the “wild malay”, after the Ballot Comission decision on Friday, “wild malay” ???, Horsefeathers. http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2011/11/newly-released-video-from-obamas-nh.html

  51. Mr. Bill………………..
    There was ONLY ONE Harry W. Baals. He gained a lot of notoriety throughout the years, and was the target of a lot of questionable jokes, which I might add still occasionally pop up. My little reference to him was something which I had hoped would come across in anyone’s translation. I still hold with my personal viewpoint regarding our ANGERED PUBLIC,who seem to want someone else to fix the problem. They still don’t get it! Perhaps they NEVER will.

  52. ………UNTIL IT IS TOO LATE.

  53. Newly Released Video From Obama’s NH Ballot Access Hearing

  54. Trump Threatens to Spend Millions on a Presidential Run

    (quote)
    In his new book, “Time to Get Tough,” Donald Trump lashes into President Barack Obama and threatens to run against him next year if the Republicans don’t nominate a strong candidate.

    Beating the drum even louder, Mr. Trump details his net worth—which he puts at $7 billion—and says he’s prepared to pour a large chunk of his $270 million in liquid assets into a presidential bid. (Mr. Trump values the Trump brand alone at $3 billion.)

    “He’s prepared to finance an independent run for president if he’s not satisfied with the Republican nominee,” says the real estate mogul’s right-hand man, Michael Cohen.

    Read more:

    http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2011/11/22/trump-threatens-to-spend-millions-on-a-presidential-run/

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  56. James | November 23, 2011 at 9:39 am |
    New Video, the “wild malay”, after the Ballot Comission decision on Friday, “wild malay” ???, Horsefeathers.
    =========================================

    It’s being reported that the people who want obama investigated are going to possibly be investigated for “threatening” the panel at the meeting.

    In other words, they’re not going to investigate obama, but they just might get the people who want obama investigated on some trumped up charges.

    banana republic, people

  57. “Update: Representative Present at NH Ballot Law Commission Hearing Responds to Request for Investigation of Them Instead of Obama”

    “THERE WERE NO THREATS MADE”

    “On November 21, 2011, the Speaker of the House of the New Hampshire House of Representatives canceled a meeting which had been scheduled, purportedly to discuss the outcome of the Ballot Law Commission’s decision. Additionally, Speaker William O’Brien stated that he would be cooperating with an “investigation” to be launched by the New Hampshire Attorney General, Michael Delaney, who allegedly claimed that the safety of a member of his staff present at Friday’s meeting had been threatened. O’Brien sent an email to three of the House members who had attended the hearing that day asking them for their cooperation with the State Police and “Protective Services.””

    http://www.thepostemail.com/2011/11/22/representative-present-at-nh-ballot-law-commission-hearing-responds-to-request-for-investigation/

  58. “The hypocrisy and chutzpah of the New Hampshire Attorney General and the Speaker of the House of Reps! They would rather investigate the people who attended the Election Commission meeting for possible infractions rather than investigate Obama for the charges of felony SSN identity theft fraud, forging a birth certificate, and election fraud being perpetrated on the Citizens of New Hampshire. Why are they protecting Obama? Tell the Speaker of the NH House of Reps and the NH Attorney General to formally investigate the charges against Obama, not the people and messengers asking them to do it.”

    http://cdrkerchner.wordpress.com/2011/11/22/nh-rep-present-at-nh-ballot-law-commission-hearing-responds-to-nh-ags-request-for-investigation-of-them-instead-of-obama-th

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  60. yo – obviously from the video their was no such threats, just vocal observations and statements of displeasure. The meeting was down right civil because of the attendance of public servants and citizenry. I believe that was the Speaker of the House who stated their would be an investigation into the conduct of the Representatives present. He told them to disassociate themselves from Dr. Taitz. Of course that didn’t sit to well with the Representatives and so the fur is flying still amongst the State officials. Right now its all wait and see. The ball is now with the Secratary of State, Gardner. He just may sit on it and delay. Public pressure and representatives of the House should force the issue with the current facts presented. Education 101. Most likely, Gardner can only delay for so long regarding the request for the rehearing.

  61. Interested Bystander

    Hey All,

    I have got to respond to this comment:

    “observer

    | November 22, 2011 at 9:03 pm |

    Paul is really being the carmudgeon on just about every topic tonight…just close the door and pull the ceiling down over your head!”

    First of all, I had to look up the word “carmudgeon”, so thanks for expanding my vocabulary.

    Second (am I commenting like Cain sounds……..firstly……..secondly……….thirdly……..), I have commented before, and I continue to believe that Paul’s “delivery” has something to be desired, however, I believe his message is what we need to hear.

    Third, although I didn’t get to see the debate last night, I can assume by your comment that Paul’s message was one of SELF SUSTAINMENT and not “isolationism” as so many want to believe it is, simply because that’s the way the MEDIA portrays his message.

    Let me expand for a few:

    Last time I checked, we have military personnel deployed in over 150 Countries. Take a second and let that sink in 150 COUNTRIES.

    Let me ask this;

    what “GOOD” has this done us?

    I submit it has done us NO “good”.

    Did NO ONE listen to Bloomberg this week? The man who was arrested for planning to bomb police cars and such was motivated by our PRESENCE in other Countries. (didn’t Paul say EXACTLY the same thing at one of the debates, and wasn’t he BOOOOED for making that statement?)

    Don’t you people get it? We can’t even solve our OWN problems, let alone every problem that exists in the World, as our ARROGANT leaders think we can.

    Let me give you ONE example. How many years have we been trying to get Israel and the Palestinians to find “peace”? Decade after decade, almost 100 years now, and the bottom line is we have done NOTHING to bring peace to the parties involved. In my opinion, we have simply given BOTH parties reason to continue their hatred for each other. We throw money at BOTH sides believing that if we pay BOTH sides, we can buy peace. In reality, we are NOWHERE near finding peace for either the Israelis or the Palestinians.

    And “everyone’s” solution is to keep doing what we are doing. It’s pathetic, in my humble opinion. I say, let them settle their OWN differences. We have problems here that we need to be focused on, which to me are MUCH more important than ANYONE else’s problems.

    The United States in the last CENTURY has had the arrogant view that we know what is best for everyone else, when we can’t even solve our own issues.

    I would suggest that the way you LEAD, is to set the example. What incentive does the World have to form a REPUBLIC form of Government, when we can’t even live by the PRINCIPLES of a REPUBLIC form of Government?

    The answer is simple, there is NO incentive.

    Paul wants to get us back to the PRINCIPLES of what our Founders envisioned for our Country when the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution were written.

    In my opinion, those PRINCIPLES served us well for about 140 years, and then all hell broke loose with our Government believing that it knows what is best for our citizens, and then with our Government believing it knows what is best for the World.

    We need to take a step back, and fix what we broke when we got away from those principles.

    We shouldn’t have to depend on ANY other Country for our sustainment. We should produce every product consumed in this Country. We should provide ALL energy sources needed to sustain our Country. We should generate all revenues spent in this Country.

    But we don’t, we depend on China for the majority of goods, the Middle East for our oil, and numerous Countries for our spending habits.

    I would suggest we need to find out WHY we are dependent, fix the problem, and watch our Country thrive once again.

    Paul’s message of SELF SUSTAINMENT is spot on in my opinion.

  62. Interested Bystander

    Cabby commented:

    “Paul does NOT understand the nature of EVIL.”

    Do YOU???

    What I can state with utmost confidence is that our way of dealing with “evil” in the last half century sure hasn’t gotten rid of “evil”.

    Look, when you stick your nose in everyone else’s business as we have lately, you are going to tick some people off, and if we were those people, I believe WE would be ticked off also.

    Different people have different beliefs. We will NOT, and we will NEVER get ALL people to believe as we do.

    Some people believe that we are taunting them, by sticking our nose in every problem on the face of the Earth.

    I think that it makes us look arrogant and condescending to some people, and in my opinion rightfully so.

    People believe we are a “leader” in the World.

    I believe that is HOGWASH. We aren’t a “leader”, we DICTATE, and then we allow problems in our OWN Country to grow. You LEAD by setting the example.

    Not by being HYPOCRITES.

  63. Interested Bystander

    Hey All,

    Darn it, I responded to Cabby, and it went to moderation.

  64. From My House To Your House:

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  65. RUSSIAN ANCHORWOMAN FLIPS OBAMA THE BIRD

  66. Interested Bystander

    Tina,

    I’ve been thinking about this for some time, and I would like to comment this:

    You claim that people ought to do this or don’t do that.

    For example, you claim that smoking is wrong.

    I take this to mean you do NOT want smokers around you.

    My solution to this is for YOU not to go where smokers are.

    Your solution is to ban smoking in every place YOU want to go, including public places and private businesses.

    Don’t you see the difference?

    Your solution takes people’s LIBERTIES away by law.

    My solution allows YOU to make that decision.

    Another point you make is that people ought to live by the Bible.

    Look Tina, no offense intended, but IF we lived by the TRUE meaning of the Bible, YOU, being a woman, should be obedient to the male.

    In other words, if we lived by literal word of the Bible, women would have kids, clean the house, make meals, shop and do the laundry.

    And don’t blame me, blame the BOOK.

    Although I agree that the Bible has some good moral guidelines that I TRY to live by, I do NOT agree with other aspects of the Bible. (and I know, I’m going to hell for that)

    I guess the point that am trying to make is:

    Quit trying to tell me what to do, and how to live my life.

    You live YOUR life, and let me live mine. I’m doing the best I can, and I’m trying to what is best for ME.

    I’m sure you have issues, just as everyone else does, so my parting shot would be:

    “He who lives without sin, cast the first stone.”

    And don’t get me wrong, I’m NOT commenting that I don’t want you to comment, I enjoy reading your comments.

    I’m simply trying to give another opinion.

  67. Interested Bystander

    rminnc,

    Right back at you.

    Thanksgiving is a day to spend with FAMILY.

    Here’s hoping EVERYONE in the CW “family” has a Happy Turkey Day.

    Even that “certain someone” who is NOT missed by me.

  68. nterested Bystander | November 23, 2011 at 3:28 pm |
    Hey All,

    Darn it, I responded to Cabby, and it went to moderation.
    ****************************
    That happens to me, too, Bystander, so it has nothing to do with your response to me.

    You seem to be on a real roll today – More power to you, but, as you probably surmise, I don’t agree with you about Paul. I am too busy today to formulate a proper response to some of the issues you raise about him, but he doesn’t impress me as being really true to the beliefs of our Founding Fathers. He has some good ideas about fiscal policy but when it comes to foreign affairs, he is well…….naive.

    Yes, our military is spread too far and wide, and we have been unwisely engaged in certain conflicts, but the world is vastly different from Paul’s world viewpoint. His attitude is that our enemies are against us because of what we have done. Tell that to the boys who fought in WWII. Hitler was a despot who intended to rule the world. There ARE people who are pure EVIL.

    People like Neville Chamberlain of Great Britain thought that he could appease Hitler and thereby convince him of the error of his conquering ways. IT DID NOT WORK. Appeasement never works. Paul feels that we need to be nice to Ahmadinejad, so that he won’t be nasty and use a nuclear bomb.

    Our president needs a great deal of wisdom on how to effectively deal with Iran, but the soft touch will not work. Reagan’s policy of “peace through strength” is what helped to topple the Iron Curtain. A Ron Paul doesn’t have what it takes to stand up to our enemies.

  69. Ha – Now my post to you, Bystander, went into moderation, and I didn’t talk any differently than I ever do.

  70. Maybe the MODERATION machine has a bad case of HICCUPS.

  71. Interested Bystander

    Cabby,

    And I will continue to NOT comment any “negative” comments until my comments are taken out of moderation…………

    TWO can play this game young lady.

    LOL

  72. IB writes: “In other words, if we lived by literal word of the Bible, women would have kids, clean the house, make meals, shop and do the laundry.
    And don’t blame me, blame the BOOK.”

    Shows it won’t hurt you to do some studying, IB. I agree with some of the things that you have said, but where you are incorrect is this, while it is true that husband are the head now and the wife under him, it means that they are a team. Think of it as a company. The husband is the CEO; the wife, his president. She runs the company (family) while he’s away at work and they confer with each other to make decisions. It’s only that way for now, though, as women will be equal with men in the kingdom of Yahweh.

    Next, it’s incorrect to state that women do not work outside the home. Study Prov. 31.

    Note these verses:

    She, in talking about the virtuous wife, does this for her family:

    Pro 31:11 The heart of her husband trusts safely in her, so that he shall have no need of plunder.
    Pro 31:12 She will do him good and not evil all the days of her life.
    Pro 31:13 She seeks wool and flax, and works willingly with her hands.
    Pro 31:14 She is like the merchants’ ships; she brings her food from afar.

    Note in v. 14, she brings her food from afar….

    What does this mean to you?

    And this, she makes business decisions.

    Pro 31:16 She considers a field, and buys it; with the fruit of her hands she plants a vineyard.

    And this…

    Pro 31:23 Her husband is known in the gates, when he sits among the elders of the land.

    Then note this: Pro 31:24 She makes fine linen and sells it, and delivers girdles to the merchants.

    Looks like this fine lady has a business. She’s selling to merchants. She brings food from afar.

    But I tend to agree with you about the smoking stuff. While I don’t smoke now, I used to. It’s a shame that people are made to appear like they are evil because they smoke. As a matter of fact, the military used to receive free cigs all the time. This is one screwball nation, I’ll hand you that. All mixed up and everyone trying to tell everyone else what to eat, how to eat it, when to go potty, how to do it, etc.

  73. IB, you are a libertarian so you think it is okay to smoke. I am social conservative. I do not think it is okay to smoke and want to ban it everywhere. It is a disgusting habit. I also wish to ban porn and dirty movies. I make no apologies for it. There is a libertarian party. I think Ron Paul and his supporters should go there and not pretend to be Republicans. Linden Larouch never got very far.

  74. Ron Paul says do to other countries as you wish done to you. If we followed that in WWII we would be speaking German or Japanese.

  75. Tina | November 23, 2011 at 5:52 pm |
    Ron Paul says do to other countries as you wish done to you. If we followed that in WWII we would be speaking German or Japanese.
    *********************************
    You can say that again, Tina. Why is it so easy for some to ignore history? Another thing, a number of Paul’s followers are neo-Nazis and others of the same ilk. I don’t suggest for one minute that Paul is one of them, but his message resonates with that type and I don’t hear of his disavowing their support in any significant way.

  76. I agree, Cabby. It Is disturbing. Also, if you listen to Ron Paul long enough, you can see he is very pro Islam. He doesn’t want profiling of Muslims or of things the Israelis are doing with profiling, he keeps saying Israel is occupying Palestine, etc. If people are pro America or pro Israel, Ron Paul should be very disturbing.

  77. Tina……I am a hard core conservative…my wife says I’m slightly to the right of Attila The Hun…just so you have a reference. I do not smoke, and I do not watch porn movies, but I don’t throw rocks at people who do.

    When you say it’s not OK to smoke and want to ban it everywhere. You are so very wrong. I am 76 years old. I smoked for most of my adult life, then quit on my own 23 years ago. No one forced me. Today, I have no problem of someone smoking in my presence in a public place, if they like, I do not permit anyone to smoke in my home, but that’s my right.

    You also said you would ban porn and dirty movies. I say, if someone wants to watch that in the privacy of their homes, who am I to object…and who are you to object?

    When we start messing with individual liberties in America, even the disgusting ones you think should be ban (like smoking and porn movies)….we are messing with basic freedoms that each of us are entitled too under our Constitution…..

    If we all adopted your attitude and approach to likes and dislikes, then we could also start banning fat people, thin people, Jews, blacks, Chinese, people who don’t like turnip greens….etc….get the point?

    Then where does it end?

    No Tina, you may not LIKE people who smoke. If so, I recommend you not associate with them. You may not LIKE people who watch porn movies in the privacy of their homes. If so, again don’t associate with them.

    But don’t expect a free democratic government to go around BANNING things based on peoples personal likes and dislikes.

    Thank God, it doesn’t work that way in America. Just some friendly advise from Attila the Hun.

  78. The other thing with Ron Paul is he keeps making excuses for terrorists. He said terrorism is a tactic and we are not at war with anyone. But he needs to wake up because radical Islamists are at war with us. That is because of our lifestyle and freedoms. It has nothing to do with Israel, etc. If Israel went away, Islamists would still want Spain, Kashmir and the rest of the world, and Ron Paul doesn’t seem to care.

  79. Rminnc- again, I am not a libertarian. I am a Christian conservative, and Christians have been telling people how to live for 2000 years. We knock on people’s doors every day telling them how to live and to stop their filth. We subordinate ourselves to God, not our selfish desires to smoke, drink, gamble or watch porn. So while I understand there are many sinners in the world, I don’t have to accept it, and won’t, I am suppose to tell people the good news.

  80. Tina….I commend you on your mission to “Save America”…that’s admirable.

    But when your mission starts to step on people’s personal freedoms and liberties, therein lies the problem

    I put 27 years in the military, all in combat divisions protecting the rights of ALL Americans. Three years of that was spent in the jungles of South East Asia in a place called Vietnam. I wasn’t there because I wanted to be. I was there because my country said that communism was a threat to our way of life.

    Each time I came back home to America from Vietnam after a year long tour of slogging through the rice paddies, and fighting off the leaches in the jungle, I was approached by people who didn’t LIKE where I had been and what my mission had been. I’m sure if they could have had their way, they would have BAN me from going back to Vietnam.

    It was their right to object. But, I didn’t demand our government BAN the “flower children” who felt they had a right to protest. I personally didn’t LIKE being met at the airport by a bunch of long-haired hippies who cared little for their country.

    But that was their right. I respected it.

    Finally let me say, I too am a Christian and have been for a long time. But I do not go around knocking on peoples doors trying to sale my religious views. But if you wish to do that, then who am I to object. I try to live my faith on a daily basis.

    p.s. I too am not a libertarian. I am a “right-wing conservative”.

  81. Rminnc-I understand where you are coming from. Thanks for your service. My personal feeling is that I am disgusted by the behavior of some. While you may not wish to put your views on others, I chose to do so even of it is not PC because I feel that these others are wrong and have intruded on society so much that they are wrecking it. We could go on and on, but I understand your view.

  82. Mr. Bill(ms. helga)

    rminnc | November 23, 2011 at 6:47 pm |

    “When you say it’s not OK to smoke and want to ban it everywhere. You are so very wrong. I am 76 years old. I smoked for most of my adult life, then quit on my own 23 years ago. No one forced me.”
    ___________________________________________

    rminc – I,too, smoked. About 3 packs per day of Winstons. I quit cold turkey on my 40th birthday and never looked back. For years I would dream I was smoking and wake up in a sweat that I had broken down. I made up a slogan that stated – “I started to smoke because I thought it was smart and quit smoking because I knew it was smart!” I am 77 now and never regretted my
    stopping.
    Have A Happy Thanksgiving All
    Mr. Bill

    PS – rminc. Do you remember that old old joke – “Of the 100 doctors that tried Camels, 98% still preferred women!!!??”

  83. And Tina I understand your views too……

    You have the RIGHT to be personally disgusted by the behavior of some…I too am personally disgusted by the behavior of many!

    As for putting my views on others. I think everyone who knows me, knows exactly were I am coming from, but I am not overbearing and demanding that ALL accept my way…or the highway.

    You are right when you say others have intruded on our society to the point of wrecking it. To that, I agree. But the solution isn’t to ban everything we disagree with. Take it too the ballot box for resolution.

    If we don’t like a politician…vote him/ or her out. If there is a law we don’t like, complain to our political leaders and change it. If enough people complain, then it will be changed, maybe.

    But trying to force our personal views on others, is not, and never will be the solution to any of our problems.

    You need not respond to this blog, I understand your point of view.

  84. Bill…my story is similar to yours about smoking but I never got the DT’s from stopping.

    It was somewhere around 1998/1999 and it was the “Great Smoke-out Day” across America. My secretary was preaching to me on the virtues of quitting smoking and telling me to “put those nasty things out” they would put me in an early grave.

    Each time she would comment with her expert opinion about smoking, I would light up another one. At times, I would have three going at the same time.

    The next day, I put them down and never touched them again. The point is, I didn’t need my secretary’s medical advice on the dangers of smoking. When I put them down, I never wanted one from that point on.Of course, my secretary bragged to all her friend that she was instrumental in making me quit!

    I would just smile and say, “not in your lifetime, but if you want to tell everyone that…go right ahead”.

    The point here is: I DID IT ON MY OWN. I DIDN’T NEED ANYONE TELLING ME ALL THE NASTY THINGS ABOUT SMOKING.

    Bill I wish you a Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family too. !!!

    I’m taking Green Bay tomorrow…any takers for Detroit?

  85. P.S. Yes Bill I remember that joke…..

  86. Tina,
    You can’t save America by interfering in personal choice and freedom. The two are mutually inclusive, America stands for personal choice, prosperity, and personal freedom. I hate to quote, but so many have forgotten the past so….

    “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

    When I was just a small child, many years ago, in a public school, a WWII veteran, and survivor from the deck of the “USS Enterprise” Kamakazi attack at Okinawa explained this to a 3rd grade class. He said that this meant ‘You have rights, but those rights are limited when they violate the rights of another individual. More simply put, your rights end were my rights, as another citizen, begin’. Perhaps this is the ultimate political interpretation of the golden rule “Do onto others as you would have done onto you”.

    You may hate smoking, you may hate occupy ‘place site here’, you may not like unions, or many other entities. You may really want to help people and your country, and be upstanding. Be that as it may, you cannot save America by limiting other persons personal freedoms or liberties that do not interfere with your life.

    I have anticipated that you will say that these individuals are imposing upon you personally because you have to ‘pay’ or be ‘taxed’ for their misdeeds and bad choices. My answer to this is that with personal choice comes personal responsibilities, and without that reality, we will soon be a godless government that controls all people. That is socialism, and the road leads to some unbelievable human misery. So I leave you with this quote from famous Russian author “Without God, all things are possible”. They are not good things.

    Pete

  87. Well said Pete…..

  88. WKRP – the Thanksgiving,”Turkey Drop”, Happy Thanksgiving !!!!!http://hotair.com/archives/2011/11/23/video-greatest-thanksgiving-moment-in-sitcom-history

  89. Tina | November 23, 2011 at 7:01 pm |

    Rminnc- again, I am not a libertarian. I am a Christian conservative, and Christians have been telling people how to live for 2000 years. We knock on people’s doors every day telling them how to live and to stop their filth. We subordinate ourselves to God, not our selfish desires to smoke, drink,
    gamble or watch porn. So while I understand there are many sinners in the world, I don’t have to accept it, and won’t, I am suppose to tell people the good news.
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Tina, with all due respect, what good news are you talking about? If you are knocking on doors, telling people that they are dirty rotten sinners and you don’t approve of their lifestyle, how is that good news to them? Any sane person would say “Take a good look at yourself!” and then let the dog out of the kitchen.

    On the other hand, if you are telling them that ” …God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation… as though God were making an appeal through us; we beg you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God. He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.” (2Cor. 19-21), then that is truly Good News! As I recall, Jesus didn’t come to judge, but to save.

    Nonetheless Tina, keep the faith.

  90. Happy Thanksgiving (the BEST holiday by the way) to ALL!

  91. …especially you, Cabby, SueK & Oldsalt.

  92. Hi, All – I’ve been taking a snooze and just got back to catch up! What a discussion has been taking place!!

    SueQ, you do have it “right on” with the exact message to give to folks about the wonders of God’s grace through Jesus Christ. Thanks for sharing those wonderful verses!

    I certainly agree with Rminnc, Pete and Mr. Bill about the personal liberty issue. Kudos for your successes in being able to stop smoking. My neighbor used to say, “Oh, it’s easy to quit smoking. I’ve done it a hundred times.” You have all probably heard that one.

    Tina, I have never smoked and don’t like to be around it, because it bothers me physically, but the answer to that is to avoid smokers if possible. There is just something about human nature that causes people to get stubborn and resistant if they feel that another person is trying to dictate their lifestyle. One can be much more winsome with honey than with vinegar.

    Thanks for all of the holiday greetings, and may everyone here have a blessed Thanksgiving Day!!

  93. You can’t avoid all smokers. They are everywhere. Just when you think you are away from them, they light up next to you. I say stop the nasty habit anyway possible. But it is not just smoking. It is the whole liberal/libertarian way of life that is wrecking society. The porn, the dirty movies on TV, the whole gay marriage debate that you hear on TV daily, the filthy OWS movement, the filthy music rap videos, etc. They are wrecking society. That is the issue. You can’t get away from it. You have to work to change society for the better as the moral majority tried to during the Reagan years.

    On another note, I thought the debate last night was very interesting. Some conservatives like Erik Erickson are calling for another look at Jon Huntsman. I thought Huntsman had a strong debate last night and am willing to now vote for him if he wins the nomination. I am not saying he is my candidate, but I am willing to give him another look. He is obviously very well qualified and we need someone with experience. I continue to like Santorum, and while I like Newt, I am not thrilled with the stance he took on illegal immigration.

  94. Tina,
    Please show me from the Bible where it’s a major sin to smoke? I know the Scriptures, and there is not such a place that I can find.
    So if you think that you know it, please reveal it to all of us.
    Kind regards

  95. Interested Bystander

    Hey All,

    I am glad that my comments have generated so much dialog.

    That’s one reason my comments are so long, is because I am trying to convey what so many have stated here, I just can’t do it in 10 words.

    First of all,

    Kittycat:

    Let me comment this:

    As many verses that you can cite from the Bible, I can match you with what I commented above.

    NONE of your verses state a woman can work outside of the home. I would read them to mean that she would make “goods” out of stuff from the harvest of their assests. For example, if a farm produced wheat, the woman would make bread from it, keep what they needed, and sell the rest.

    But I digress:

    I REALLY do NOT believe that part of the Bible, that was my whole point.

    I’ve been fortunate enough to have been marride 29 years so far, and you will NOT tell me that my wife isn’t the BETTER HALF of our relationship. However, I would suggest that a relationship lasts longer when the woman allows the man to THINK he is in charge. As a man, we KNOW BETTER, but play along.

    WOMEN are much the superior human than men, at least in my opinion, they simply let the man BELIEVE that they are the head of the household.

    Hey, I’m not THAT stupid.

    Cabby:

    You responded:

    “Paul feels that we need to be nice to Ahmadinejad, so that he won’t be nasty and use a nuclear bomb.”

    I think you are totally wrong on this.

    I think Paul’s position is that we let Ahmadinejad know the consequences of USING a bomb. He doesn’t think we should be “nice” to him or anything else, his view is, and I agree with him, you can NOT tell a soveriegn Country what bomb to BUILD, but you can absolutely let them know the consequences of it being used, especially against us or one of our allies.

    That’s what I believe Paul’s stance on Iran is.

    rminnc:

    Thank you for your service to our Country. I will get in to it a little more in a minute, but I believe that every war fought SINCE WWII has been for naught.

    I don’t think there is a Nam vet alive who wouldn’t agree with this:

    We COULD have won that war, but CONGRESS didn’t let us.

    I think that’s correct for Korea, Nam, and every war since.

    Just know that your service was NOT in vain, your heart was in the right place, and although you had no choice, probably, (not sure if you were drafted or not), your efforts were simply a chess game to the people in charge at the time.

    There is no higher person in my opinion, than a Viet Nam vet.

    You men and women should have a day set aside for YOU, not for the whole of the Country, but for YOU.

    If people would just go back and study what actually happened in Viet Nam, they would KNOW that our efforts were futile from the beginning, and NOT because we couldn’t do the job, but because the CONGRESS wouldn’t allow you to get the job done.

    Viet Nam should have been won in no more than five years, but we kept sending young men and women over there against their will in a bunch of cases, to play our political GAME.

    And the sad fact is that NOW we believe that is the way wars are fought.

    It really is disgusting to me.

    and finally Tina:

    “IB, you are a libertarian so you think it is okay to smoke.”

    You can put any lable on me that you want, the bottom line is that I BELIEVE that I am RIGHT.

    I don’t think it is a “Libertarian” position, I believe it is the correct position to take, and as MANY ex-smokers have stated here, I believe that I would feel the same way even if I didn’t smoke (One of these days though, and I hope in the not so distant future, I will have the WILL to stop myself, and NOT because Tina, but because I can do it WITHOUT the likes of Tina).

    I wholeheartedly agree that you should DICTATE what goes on in your own home, But I just as wholeheartedly believe that you can NOT dictate in someone else’s home.

    Tina goes on:

    “I am social conservative. I do not think it is okay to smoke and want to ban it everywhere. It is a disgusting habit. I also wish to ban porn and dirty movies. I make no apologies for it.”

    You seee this is where we go in opposite directions.

    You can be all the “socially conservative” as you want, SO LONG as you don’t infringe on MY RIGHTS and LIBERTIES.

    Banning things that do NOT infringe on other people’s rights and liberties is just plain WRONG.

    Spread your word, I’m all for that, but do NOT dictate except in your own home.

    Tina goes on:

    “There is a libertarian party. I think Ron Paul and his supporters should go there and not pretend to be Republicans. Linden Larouch never got very far.”

    And maybe we will, but the sorry facts are that you won’t get any “attention” as a third party candidate unless you get your message out.

    I would submit to you that there are a whole lot more of “us” out here than actually believe the way YOU do, and that “we” have been nudged out of the Republican Party.

    I would also submit that IF Paul runs as a third party candidate, that Obama has a VERY good chance of winning a second term.

    I would also submit to you that four more years of Obama may sway things even more to “our” side, and make it MORE likely that “we” could gain even more “attention” in another Obama term than “we” could if Romney or another establishment hack is victorious.

    I’m not hoping Obama wins, but I AM hoping that more people open their eyes, and see that the status quo, or status quo “lite” hasn’t worked out too well for us in the last 50 years or so.

    In another comment Tina states this:

    “Ron Paul says do to other countries as you wish done to you. If we followed that in WWII we would be speaking German or Japanese.”

    I disagree with this comment.

    WWII was the LAST “just” war. The Japanese attacked US, not the other way around, and we did just as we should have done, we took the fight to the enemy, with NO REGRETS and with little thought as to the consequences, because we KNEW we were going in full force and with the ability and WILL to win.

    We don’t fight wars like that any more. Just ask Rminnc.

    Could you even imagine the media coverage if the United States was even SUSPECTED of even thinking about using an atom bomb in today’s age?

    Did we have a choice? Absolutely not, unless you wanted to continue to fight that war for decades more.

    Our war tactics in today’s age are simply disgusting.

    Tina comments this:

    “The other thing with Ron Paul is he keeps making excuses for terrorists. He said terrorism is a tactic and we are not at war with anyone. But he needs to wake up because radical Islamists are at war with us. That is because of our lifestyle and freedoms. It has nothing to do with Israel, etc”

    Paul is ABSOLUTELY right about this.

    When was a declaration of war passed by the Congress? When? You let me know on that, because I can’t find one in the last 70 years.

    Terrorism IS a TACTIC, it’s NOT a Country. Are you suggesting that we declare war on ANY “Islamic” Nation? or maybe you would like to DICTATE which Countries are “Islamic”, because for the life of me, I can’t find “Islam” as a name for ANY Country.

    And for you to suggest that it is our “lifestyle and freedoms” that is their motivation, when time and again we are TOLD BY THEM that it is our presence on their land that they oppose, is again showing just how arrogant your beliefs are.

    TIME AND AGAIN we are told that, and TIME AND AGAIN those that want perpetual war interpret that to mean that they don’t like our “lifestyle and freedoms”.

    Get a grip Tina, they could care LESS what we do, as long as we do NOT do it on THEIR land.

    Finally, I would like to respond to this comment from Tina:

    “While you may not wish to put your views on others, I chose to do so even of it is not PC because I feel that these others are wrong and have intruded on society so much that they are wrecking it.”

    Look, I’m all for you expressing your beliefs. PC or not, you are entitled to them, but where you and I break paths is when you think you can dictate or legislate your beliefs on others.

    As far as your “wrecking society” comment I have this as a response:

    We have ALLOWED those people to wreck our society.

    Look, if their wasn’t a “safety net”, we wouldn’t have the issues we have, at least in my opinion.

    Just one example:

    Teenage pregnancy and I’d even expand that to out of wedlock pregnancy:

    Once apon a time it was “taboo” for a teenage girl or an unmarried girl to have sex, let alone get pregnant. Legend has it that those girls were shipped off to have their child in Kansas or they had “back alley abortions” because doctors who had MORALS wouldn’t perform abortions.

    But the folks in power thought they could legislate their beliefs on the whole of the Country and told doctors that they HAD to perform abortions, and enough protested this that the Government decided that THEY would supply a place to go for abortions.

    And by golly, if you wanted to keep that child, no worries because good ole “Uncle Sam” would be there to help you get on your feet.

    It’s just that many decided they liked the “help” and never got on their feet. Not only that, but they also figured out that the more kids they had, the more “help to their feet” they got.

    And then those kids grew up, and seen how easy it was to stay on that “help to their feet” scheme.

    And then when the Government tried to stop that, these folks found out just how easy it is to be considered “handicapped”, and have rode those coat tails for the last couple decades.

    Don’t you get it, either way, dictating one way or the other, will NEVER solve the problem as long as you supply them with the means to sustain their lifestyle.

    They ARE wrecking our society, and that’s because the folks in charge ALLOW them too.

    I could make the same basic argument for any number of “issues” you want to dictate.

  96. Interested Bystander

    Hey All,

    Boy I spent an awful lot of time on that comment that just went to moderation.

    Happy Thanksgiving all!!!

  97. It is sick to smoke kittyrat. I won’t defend it! If you smoke, you must smell. Smokers smell.

  98. Tina,
    You wrote: We knock on people’s doors every day telling them how to live and to stop their filth. We subordinate ourselves to God, not our selfish desires to smoke, drink, gamble or watch porn.

    That’s part of your problem. You’re doing stuff that Yahweh says NO! When you do think that you’ve been called to knock on people’s doors and tell them how to live? You’re bypassing everything that Yahweh teaches in the Scriptures. Never, never does he tell people to do something that goes against his way of giving people free will. I don’t know who the heck is teaching you to do this, but it’s against any scriptural at all. The words say over and over again, that “I will send out,” meaning Yahweh will send out prophets of HIS OWN CHOOSING. Those who are his prophets will only come in his sacred name, and they will only speak what he tells them to speak. And yes, that means the messiah Yahushua (aka Jesus) will.

    Again, you’re going totally against the scriptural teachings if you think you have to go out and tell others how to live their life. Let me tell you this, I have worked with a Jehovah’s Witness girl before, who was probably one of the nicest person’s in the whole world, but that’s one of the things that I hold against them, they have not been personally called to go door to door.

    Most of the whole thing, Tina, is we have to look to ourselves now, yes, that’s right. We have to look within ourselves and work out our own salvation. As a Christian, you should know this. Are you saying that you keep all the eternal commandments, all ten of them, you keep all of the high sabbaths, all of them, you are cleaned inside our innermost self? If so, then I want to personally meet with you. If you’ve done that, you’ve done more than anyone that I know who has been trying to clean out their innermost self for years.

  99. Guys, sorry, she has no idea what she’s saying. Let me tell every one of you who have smoked in the past, it’s been from your own free will to have quit. You decided that you wanted to, not someone else doing it for you.

    She has nothing to stand on. Doesn’t understand the way the Scriptures work at all. Sorry, it’s the truth. You have free will, and that free will is wonderful because it makes a person more mature.
    In her way of salvation is a forceful one, which makes not a good person who loves life and loves our creator.

  100. Give me a break. Churches all over the world knock on doors and go to places to change and convert people. It is called spreading the good news. Where have you been Kitty if you call yourself a Christian?

  101. No one likes to be called a sinner. It is hard to change dirty habits. It is easier to drink and smoke and do all sorts of things. It is harder not to do it. Jesus would not do it. But if you drink, smoke, look at playboy, you might get your kicks, but you are not a good role model for others, your children or grandchildren. If you like where we are today, stay liberal in your personal habits and vote for Obama. Live a dirty life, and let others live a filthy life too, is what you are saying. But if you want a better society, vote for a good person, who will change our world, whomever that may be. That’s my view, IMHO.

  102. Interested Bystander

    One more quick comment:

    Although tomorrow will be a joyous day, it will also be a day that my heart will be heavy.

    This is the first Thanksgiving without my dad.

    I love and miss you dad.

  103. Interested Bystander

    Tina commented:

    “It is sick to smoke kittyrat. I won’t defend it! If you smoke, you must smell. Smokers smell.”

    Please don’t comment it’s “sick” because the Government will come up with a program that is doomed to failure for this “sickness”.

    And no offense intended by this response, but those who believe that legislating is the way to change behavior “smell” also.

    It’s not a smoker type of “smell”, but they “smell” just the same.

  104. Interested Bystander, so sorry that your post went into moderation – It is a fluke, or something. Also, please accept my condolences on the first Thanksgiving without your dad. I know from experience how painful such a loss can be. May you find some comfort in good memories of the times you were able to be together.

    There are many things we don’t always all agree on here, but one thing that we can agree on wholeheartedly, and that is sharing in the joys and sorrows of our fellow commenters. May the heaviness of your heart be lifted, Friend, especially tomorrow.

  105. Hi everybody……………..
    Just in long enough to wish everyone a very happy Thanksgiving.

  106. Kittycat libertarians are for the individual and your kicks. Read Ayn Rand. It is all for the individual. Libertarians have their own party. Conservatives want a better society. The GOP is for family, God and country. Too many here want to do as they please. That may be great, but again, to me you are libertarians with your unlimited free will. Since libertarians have never won much of anything, they have hitched their cart to the GOP to try to win something that way. It is identity theft because libertarians are all about themselves, not about creating a better society. if you like the falling marriage rate, the falling graduation rate, increases in crime, falling values, and lack of jobs, be a libertarian. I want a better society for the country.

  107. Interested Bystander

    Cabby,

    Thank you very much.

    I’ve been trying to think of something to say tomorrow that won’t bum everyone out, but I can’t think of a way to say what I want to say.

    I actually cried when I posted that comment.

    Oh we’ll get through the day, no doubt about that, but I guess it’s selfishness that makes me wish he was still here.

  108. Interested Bystander……I hear you. Lost my dad and grandmother (his mom) on Nov. 25th, 9 years apart. Was close to both. It’s been several years since they passed, but they are still missed this time of year, and my mom died earlier this year too. Hope you are able to find some good things to be thankful for and celebrate. Sometimes it takes a while. It did for me. Best wishes to you.

    Have a blessed Thanksgiving everyone.

  109. Interested Bystander

    Tina commented:

    “The GOP is for family, God and country.”

    Please direct me to the GOP site that states those words.

    The way I see it, people who believe as you do have pushed TRUE Republicans out of their party, and have taken the Republican party to the left.

    The Republican Party of today is the Democrat Party of 1960.

    It is my opinion that you are NOT a conservative.

    You may be “socially conservative” for whatever that means, but as far as being FISCALLY conservative, I don’t believe it.

    You consistantly comment about having this program or that, or having a “safety net”.

    Those things cost money you know, and you can only tax smokers, drinkers and the 1% at a 100% rate, and you will STILL be running a deficit.

    What is your answer to the FISCAL situation we find ourselves in?

  110. IB, you don’t seem to read or you read selectively. I have had many posts saying how greater taxes would hurt my small business. Rick Santorum says every debate almost how he is for family, God and country. Rick Santorum wants zero taxes on firms that will manufacture and bring jobs back to America which I have endorsed. I don’t like Ron Paul and you do. While I would love for Ron Paul to eliminate five federal agencies, he is too wild on foreign policy to trust the presidency to. Bye for now. I have turkey to cook. happy Thanksgiving.

  111. IB, by the way, I did jot know you lost your family member. I am sorry to hear that.

  112. Interested Bystander | November 24, 2011 at 12:04 am |
    I’ve been trying to think of something to say tomorrow that won’t bum everyone out, but I can’t think of a way to say what I want to say.
    ************************************
    Don’t try ahead of time to figure it out. Tomorrow you will have the good sense and wisdom to know what to say, if anything, and when to say it.

    Instead concentrate on being thankful for blessings and for the years you had with your dad. You are not being selfish when you miss him. Please know that. The pain of loss is heavy, but as Thistle has pointed out, it does diminish some over time.

  113. IB. I’m sorry for your loss.

  114. Happy Thanksgiving to all!

  115. Good morning All….and a Happy Thanksgiving day…..

    Didn’t Tina and I start a real debate last night?….let’s let it rest and be thankful for everything our American way of life has given us.

    It didn’t come easy and many white crosses and faded pictures will attest to that.

  116. Interested Bystander – Sorry for your loss.

    Giving Thanks for the folks here at CW’s.

    Zach

  117. ~~Happy Thanksgiving Citizen Wells and all of your loyal commenters ~~

    May God Bless each of you while we give thanks for all of His blessings.

  118. Happy Thanksgiving CW and thanks for giving us a venue to freely express ourselves

  119. IB,
    I will lift you up in prayers. Sorry for your loss of your father.

  120. Paxson……………….
    I was monitoring the Tina, IB exchanges. I stand with IB simply because NOBODY has the right to TRY TO TELL ANYONE ELSE HOW TO live their lives particularly when it is obvoius that they themselves cannot PRACTICE WHAT THEY PREACH. ………….Happy Thanksgiving.
    In seven and a half months I will round the 80 mark. Several of the CW bloggers are right behind me. For the most part I tend to think that the alleged GOLDEN years may be more hype than reality. My doctor now holds most of my “GOLD”.

  121. I just read this on Canada Free Press and I think it says it all:

    Thankful they assembled there
    A humble Pilgrim band.
    To praise their God in silent prayer
    That he should bless their land.

    God has blessed America…….from sea to shining sea

  122. Old Salt…..

    At least your doctor can’t take your memories….I’m sure they are worth more than all the gold he took from you…….they are priceless!

    Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family

  123. May our gratitude today be unlimited for all of the blessings God has bestowed upon us! Thank you, CW, for providing this forum for us, and do have a great Thanksgiving Day, one and all!

    Old Salt, rminnc, and other former military, I always did like men in uniform (smile) and now enjoy the company here of a number who have served our country well. You all have so much to share with us, both in memories and patriotic spirit. Please continue to freely express yourselves, and thanks to you for your part in keeping our country safe. Especially on this Day of Thanksgiving.

  124. Pat1789, I believe you said that you served in the armed forces, too. I didn’t mean to leave you out. I’m sure there are others, also. Happy Thanksgiving!!

  125. Cabby – AZ | November 24, 2011 at 10:51 am |

    Thanks Cabby!
    My best to all, have a slendid day.
    To all those who have family memebrs serving overseas, my thoughts and prayers are with you.

  126. At “Give Us Liberty”:

    “TO ALL THE BRAVE PATRIOTS AND CONSTITUTIONALISTS…THANK YOU FOR EVERTHING YOU HAVE DONE AND EVERYTHING YOU CONTINUE TO DO TO FIGHT FOR AMERICA!..MAY YOU AND YOUR FAMILIES HAVE A WONDERFUL THANKSGIVING DAY…AND TO THE FRAUD IN THE WHITE HOUSE AND ALL THE STUPID AND IGNORANT OBOTS WHO DON’T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT THE CONSTITUTION AND THE PRINCIPLES UPON WHICH THIS COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED AND ALL THOSE WHO CONTINUE TO DEFY THE LAW TO PROTECT THE USURPER …MAY YOU ALL GO TO HELL!…”

    http://giveusliberty1776.blogspot.com/2011/11/to-all-brave-patriots-and.html

    ========
    “BRIAN KILMEADE: STUPID OR JUST BLATANTLY DISHONEST? OR JUST FOLLOWING THE FOX TALKING POINTS.”

    http://giveusliberty1776.blogspot.com/2011/11/brian-kilmeade-has-to-be-either-most.html

  127. Yes Gordo….

    It is my personal opinion Brian Kilmeade has never played with a full deck, nor is his elevator going to the top floor. I think his mother must have dropped him on his head shortly after birth.

    Yes, I think he is STUPID, but I also think he was just following Fox orders and guidelines in his discussions about Obama.

    I don’t think poor old Brian is capable of intelligent thought…..on any subject! Well maybe… marbles!

  128. May God bless all of the internet patriots on citizenwells. Happy Thanksgiving to all. May you share your day surrounded by those you love.

  129. Happy Thanksgiving to all…..Yesterday I spend all day trying to remove some stupid virus on my pc….It is a phony malware scanner…if any of you should be infected with it….I found the cure. First I restored my pc to the day before, then ran a full scan and it found about 26 infected files. I searched and found this at microsoft.

    http://www.microsoft.com/security/scanner/en-us/default.aspx

    It scanned and removed all infections. Very easy.

    Have a great Bird Day!

  130. oldsalt79 | November 24, 2011 at 9:26 am |

    Happy Thanksgiving, Old Salt. I agree that telling other people how to conduct their lives runs contrary to everything that we are fighting against, especially when the government does it. I try to live a clean Christian life, but despise so called “do gooders” who intrude on my lifestyle.

  131. Happy Thanksgiving.

  132. Interested Bystander

    Hey CW, how about releasing my comment from 11:08pm last evening?

    It’s probably moot now, but I think alot of us would like to know WHY certain comments go to moderation, and others do NOT?

    Can you enlighten us on why this happens?

  133. 1:07 pm —

    “Yesterday I spend all day trying to remove some stupid virus on my pc….”
    **********
    For safer web ‘surfing’- USE Sandboxie !!!

    http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2011/09/14/ron-paul-blames-america-for-911-gop-debate-monday-september-12-2011-whose-side-is-paul-on-left-wing-propaganda/#comment-210708

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    [I use both Acronis and Paragon for images on 2nd & 3rd drives ... always 'backup'.]

    “Backup & Recovery 2011 (Advanced) Free”

    “NEW 2011 Advanced Edition – Total PC Protection for Serious Users!”

    http://www.paragon-software.com/home/br-free/download.html

  134. Hello All…

    I was a smoker for over 44 years! I went “cold turkey” Started with a full pack five days later cut down five ciggerettes..until there were no more. It has been over five years and I am still smoke free! I can not stand the smell but as a past smoker when I smell the smoke I will wave my hand in front of my face and move on. And to all of the people that I offended I say that I am deeply sorry. If anyone who smokes and gives it their all to stop you will never regret it unless you wait to long and you end up with lung cancer!

    Now it is time to go work some of my calories off! :)

    Happy Thanks Giving

  135. IB.
    Auto moderation is a mystery.

  136. Hey IB………………….
    Are you by chance typing in your email,and other ID in everytime you post a comment? If that is the case then the moderation might be the result of some incorrectly spaced letters or figures in either your email addy or your handle. Might be worth a check out. It doesn’t require much to cause the email addy to be wrong insofar as the moderation machine is concerned…….as I said something could be amiss in the info box. I had that happen for a time.

  137. New demands for Kagan recusal in SCOTUS hearing of the Obama care debacle. Senator Sessions is now demanding that she recuse herself. This was based upon the contents of two emails that were finally released. He is really upset because the content tells of her involvement in the IG thing. Big conflict of interest.

  138. These emails go back to a time before her hearing to be appointed to the SCOTUS, yet Holder failed to make them available for the Commission to examine.

  139. Eric Holder was Kagan’s boss then. Has the smell of collusion oozing from it!

  140. Interested Bystander

    Hey All,

    Thanks oldsalt, and Happy Thanksgiving to you young man.

    Your comments are always very informative and interesting.

    I sign in once a week to wordpress, and when my puter does it’s weekly scan, it erases all of my passwords and I have to resubmit them.

    I believe Eric Holder is not only a disgrace to the position he holds, and the Country he is supposed to be defending, but he is also a CRIMINAL and should be tried for TREASON and hanged on Friday afternoon just as all of those who are supposed to be “Representing” us get off work, so that THEY can see the consequences IF they don’t do what they were elected to do.

    So much for that “transparent” pledge Obama made at his swearing in ceremony (well at least the FIRST ceremony).

    Obama ought to be tried FIRST, and then Holder, Pelosi, Reid, Panetta, Napolitano and as far as I’m concerned the whole lot of them.

    BOTH sides of the aisle are GUILTY of TREASON against this Country.

    The consequences of this CRIME should be swift and sure.

  141. There is a lot to this…….. Reszko is part of a major criminal system that involves too many to list here. He may be involved more in corruption but the peolpe he is connected to are involved in a host of other high level crimes.

    My second son was for a time working directly for Rezko in the early 2000’s. He called Rezko “his buddy” while we ate at Panda Express, his choice of where to eat. How he got that job was through my exbrother-in-law, Bruce Adreani who professionally is a property developer. But Bruce and his brother-in-law Clyde O’Connor also owned a Air Distribution business in Florida that was setup by Barak Obama in the early 2000’s while Barack was a lawyer working at a well known Shadow Government Lawy firm. Obama is understood to have been the company agent and may still be their agent to this day. This connection may explain why Obama owns so many suspcious properties as the drug system uses property for payment.

    It’s important to realize that the Adreani family has been laundering drug money since the late 70’s when they got started. It all started with the planned murder of a Bank President, another long story. Bruce’s interest with owning a distribution company started at my house when a family gathering took place and Clyde O’Connor visited. Most discussions about starting this business took place right in front of me. Later after my divorce started my younger son and I met for dinner. This is when he told me about his new relationship with Rezko. Sometime later just before Rezko was indicted, my son maybe through his waking up decided to leave. Rezko was introduced to my son by Bruce Adreani and being a property developer you should wonder why he drives a specially built bullet proof car.

    Clyde O’Connor and Bruce Adreani’s plane were distributing much more than drugs, they were shipping stolen children from the US, black market human body parts and nuclear materials and much more. Bruce and the Adreani family are considered “CIA Assets” according to Bruce never to be prosecuted for anything including murder.

    Don’t forget that Obama is directly linked to the criminal activities done by the Adreani family. There are two Drug Lord families in the MidWest; Adreani and Chinon (McHenry Il). They control more than $80Billion in drugs distributed and are linked to the Big Financial groups who are directly involved.

    Marty Didier Federal Whistleblower since 1998
    Northbrook, IL

  142. Pingback: 2011 Obama corruption ties, Rezko Levine Blagojevich Cellini Frawley, Fitzgerald and Justice Department protect Obama, 2011 review | Citizen WElls

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