Obama PA ballot challenge update, Charles Kerchner, Other state ballot and primary challenges to Obama eligibility, Obama natural born citizen deficiency

Obama PA ballot challenge update, Charles Kerchner, Other state ballot and primary challenges to Obama eligibility, Obama natural born citizen deficiency

“Why did Obama employ Robert Bauer of Perkins Coie, to request an advisory opinion on FEC matching funds that he was not eligible for?”…Citizen Wells

“Why has Obama, since taking the White House, used Justice Department Attorneys, at taxpayer expense,  to avoid presenting a legitimate birth certificate and college records?”…Citizen Wells

“Why is Obama now employing private attorneys to keep his name on state ballots, despite compelling evidence that he is not a natural born citizen?…Citizen Wells

From CDR Charles Kerchner February 19, 2012.

For Immediate Release

Copy of Commonwealth Court of PA filing by Kerchner & Laudenslager against Obama now online

The copy of the PA  ballot challenge objection against Obama filed on Friday, 17  Feb 2012,  in the Commonwealth Court of PA in Harrisburg PA can be downloaded at the link in my blog:  http://cdrkerchner.wordpress.com/2012/02/17/obama-ballot-challenge-filed-in-pa-a-nomination-petition-objection-was-filed-in-pa-against-obama/

In addition, for you convenience, a PDF copy of the complaint/objection is attached.

WE NEED YOUR HELP:  If you can please help this legal action to expose the usurper resident in our Oval Office.  Support the PA Ballot Challenge/Objection against Obama filed in PA today.  Please donate:  https://secure.piryx.com/donate/Owri7yAp/Article-II-Legal-Defense-Fund/PA

CDR Charles Kerchner (Ret)
Lehigh Valley PA USA

http://www.protectourliberty.org/
http://www.scribd.com/protectourliberty/collections/

From WND, World Net Daily, February 19, 2012.

“INDIANA NEXT STATE FOR OBAMA ELIGIBILITY PROTEST”

“Even as a challenge to Barack Obama’s name on the 2012 primary election ballot in Georgia moves to the appeals court level, the next state up for the arguments appears to be Indiana, which in just the last few weeks has removed a state official from office over eligibility issues.

And there appear to be other state challenges lined up to follow even that one, including pending cases in Mississippi and Arizona.

Citizens across the country are utilizing each state’s election procedures to challenge Obama’s name on the 2012 ballot because of questions over his eligibility which were raised during the 2008 campaign but have yet to be resolved.

Two mainstream arguments are that he either was not born in the state of Hawaii as he has claimed, which could make him ineligible under the Constitution’s requirements that a president be a “natural born citizen,” or that he doesn’t qualify for that status since he’s written that his father never was a U.S. citizen.

Many analysts believe the Founders considered a “natural born citizen” to be the offspring of two citizen parents. A Supreme Court opinion from 1875 seems to support that argument.

California attorney Orly Taitz, who has handled a number of cases challenging Obama’s tenure in the Oval Office on the grounds he’s not eligible, confirmed to WND that she has a hearing scheduled Feb. 24 before a state commission in Indiana regarding a challenge to Obama’s eligibility.

“Indiana is a very important state, as recently they threw out of office … their Secretary of State Charlie White for not updating his voter registration card,” she reported.

It is important to shove in front of the elections board … all the evidence of Obama using a stolen Social Security number and a forgery instead of a birth certificate. I want to see how they will justify keeping … Barack Obama on the ballot after they removed the secretary of state for something minor,” she said.

In fact, it was reported just this week that now-former Secretary of State Charlie White was removed from office and the state Supreme Court now is deciding the procedures to replace him.”

“The Supreme Court justices repeatedly have refused to address the constitutional questions involved. The justices apparently are “avoiding” the Obama issue, according to one member of the court. Last year, Justice Clarence Thomas appeared before a U.S. House subcommittee when the issue arose. Subcommittee Chairman Rep. Jose Serrano, D-N.Y., raised the question amid a discussion on racial diversity in the judiciary.

“I’m still waiting for the [court decision] on whether or not a Puerto Rican can run for president of the United States,” said Serrano, who was born in the island territory. “That’s another issue.”

Yet after Serrano questioned him on whether or not the land’s highest court would be well-served by a justice who had never been a judge, Thomas not only answered in the affirmative but also hinted that Serrano would be better off seeking a seat in the Supreme Court than a chair in the Oval Office.

“I’m glad to hear that you don’t think there has to be a judge on the court,” said Serrano, “because I’m not a judge; I’ve never been a judge.”

“And you don’t have to be born in the United States,” said Thomas, referring to the Constitution, which requires the president to be a natural-born citizen but has no such requirement for a Supreme Court justice, “so you never have to answer that question.”

“Oh really?” asked Serrano. “So you haven’t answered the one about whether I can serve as president, but you answer this one?”

“We’re evading that one,” answered Thomas, referring to questions of presidential eligibility and prompting laughter in the chamber. “We’re giving you another option.””

http://www.wnd.com/2012/02/indiana-next-state-for-obama-eligibility-protests/

 

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99 responses to “Obama PA ballot challenge update, Charles Kerchner, Other state ballot and primary challenges to Obama eligibility, Obama natural born citizen deficiency

  1. bob strauss, anticipating I would be harassed for answering your direct question about the particular ‘ballot challenge’ case filed in PA, I specifically began the requested response by pointing out, I was answering your question. The bullies pounced, anyway. As a result, I want to say, please, next time you want me to answer your question, come to my blog to ask it.

    In the past, I have absented myself from this blog when the bullies squeezed out the more rational thinkers; and, I have to take a break now, because, it’s happening again. (This time, even some of those people here who have privately emailed me in the past, with their concerns about the tenor of this blog; have joined the fray, representing a lack of good character which also makes visits here more onerous than these are worth.)

    Thank you.

  2. The Debt Generation

  3. Mornin folks!

    Some people, when they finally get what they’ve wanted don’t know how to handle it:

    Michelle’s ski trip marks 16 Obama vacations

    http://washingtonexaminer.com/politics/washington-secrets/2012/02/michelles-ski-trip-marks-16-obama-vacations/294051

  4. jbjd | February 20, 2012 at 8:52 am |

    bob strauss, anticipating I would be harassed for answering your direct question about the particular ‘ballot challenge’ case filed in PA, I specifically began the requested response by pointing out, I was answering your question. The bullies pounced, anyway. As a result, I want to say, please,
    next time you want me to answer your question, come to my blog to ask it.

    In the past, I have absented myself from this blog when the bullies squeezed out the more rational thinkers; and, I have to take a break now, because, it’s happening again. (This time, even some of those people here who have privately emailed me in the past, with their concerns about the tenor of this blog; have joined the fray, representing a lack of good character which also makes visits here more onerous than these are worth.)

    Thank you.
    ****************************************
    It is very hard to tell whether a blogger is on this site to join in the discussion in search of an answer to our Constitutional issues regarding Obama, or are they on this site in an effort to destroy free speech, and thereby destroy CWs forum. If some bloggers are successful in forcing other bloggers off, and away from this site, we all lose the voice of a Citizen of this country, free speech is lost, and Obama has won.

  5. I have a history question; When they wrote the Constitution IF they wanted it to mean ‘born in the United States” wouldn’t they have worded it that way…”born on the soil of the United States” instead of “natural born”?

  6. CitizenWell,
    JBJD has already said that citizens cannot challenge eligibility in PA., as no law exists to enforce the obvious. Further, the Decisions by past Judges that ‘born on US soil’ is ‘Natural Born Citizenship’. The law, the courts, Congress, and the SCOTUS are in on the cover-up. The media is controlled, in true fascist style, by the government and large corporations. The truth will come out, but only after it’s much to late to fix the damage being done. Finally, I agree with JBJD that since PA has no specific ‘eligibility’ provision the current attempt is going to fail, but even if PA did have such a provision it wouldn’t matter. We are no longer have rule of law or are we a nation of laws. The United States is now a top economy, with a third world government, which makes it ripe for a fleecing.

    Pete

  7. without media attention all these are discredited before they get leggs. they dont want there lottery ticket obama to have any belmishes

  8. At “The Obama File” – new post from “MIss Tickly” thread:

    http://theobamafile.websitetoolbox.com/post/A-must-read-new-post-from-quotMiss-ticklyquot-5717205

    “This thread has been deleted because it is not suitable for The Obama File, has turned nasty, and very well could be libelous.

    If you guys wish to continue to argue about or continue to research Miss Tickly’s information/allegations, please do so at her site:”

    http://obamasgarden.wordpress.com/2012/02/18/answers/

  9. Mr. Bill(ms. helga)

    Did you all forget that today is President’s Day – Yeah, That’t when Obama comes outside and if he sees his shadow we have another 6 months of high unemployment!! And I might add a USURPER living in USURPERVILLE

  10. http://www.breitbart.tv/cbs-primetime-cheers-amazing-occupy-protesters-i-salute-them/

    The libs cheer on the public defacators/property wreckers/rapists while the cops are immediately called in to arrest 6 peaceful protesters against usurper’s policies to force payment of human life destruction of the most innocent.

    http://www.breitbart.tv/pro-life-priest-pastor-arrested-for-praying-in-front-of-white-house-occupy-gets-pass/

    Sad that all the coward/perverts can’t see themselves as lemmings to the diabolical enterprise. It’s only their immortal souls after all!

  11. http://www.cdobs.com/archive/featured/the-rezko-saga-continues-more-litigation-for-obama-fundraiser-rezko/

    Nadmi Auchi is being sued by Tony Rezko’s old buddy and partner in federal court.

  12. I noticed that, too, GORDO. Evidently, the sunlight is burning their skin. =)

  13. This is what has been going on behind the scene folks……get educated….major changes coming our way…..Below is an excerpt from the latest White Hat report……go to the link for the entire report…..

    Monday, February 20, 2012
    February 20, 2012 – White Hats Report #36
    From The House Of Lords – The Shot Heard Round The World

    It was November 13, 2010, when we published our first report. In Report #1, we transparently announced to the world what we had … and the criminal cabal scoffed. With each published report, we outlined another piece to the puzzle … and the criminal cabal scoffed. With the advent of this Report, we have filed 36 reports in total, and as you might have suspected, each report is a message that is clearly understood and reacted to by the criminal cabal … and we have been scoffed at. In fact, we are proud to say we have been scoffed at by the very most elite within the American political system as rogues and trouble makers like we didn’t fit in under the normal protocols of meaningful expression. To the point, it seems the elite have underestimated the tenacity of The White Hats. Love us or hate us … respect us or ignore us … but do not underestimate the effectiveness of our means and methods, we are trained well in our respective trades … most times by the Elitists. We have slipped in, completed the recon, evaluated the landscape, developed a well thought out plan backed by hard documented evidence and we have moved in for the duration.

    Entire report here……

    http://tdarkcabal.blogspot.com/2012/02/february-20-2012-white-hats-report-36.html#comment-form

  14. bob strauss | February 20, 2012 at 9:54 am |
    It is very hard to tell whether a blogger is on this site to join in the discussion in search of an answer to our Constitutional issues regarding Obama, or are they on this site in an effort to destroy free speech, and thereby destroy CWs forum. If some bloggers are successful in forcing other bloggers off, and away from this site, we all lose the voice of a Citizen of this country, free speech is lost, and Obama has won.
    =========================================================
    Bob,

    Can you show us which bloggers are forcing jbjd off this site? Please cite where someone made an effort to destroy her free speech?

    Jbjd moans “In the past, I have absented myself from this blog when the bullies squeezed out the more rational thinkers”. Give me a break! Jbjd has bullied more people here than there are quills on a porcupine. Now she is playing the victim.

    I have remained silent when she repeatedly berated people but then she insulted my integrity and that of another person here when we voiced opinions on the Obama COLB. …….

    jbjd | February 17, 2012 at 8:58 pm |
    “If I didn’t know better, I would question the motives of anyone still trying to focus our attention on this subject”.

    I see that as an attempt to stifle our free speech by intimidation and ridicule. But then I don’t have a law degree. I’ll say it again ,“It doesn’t matter how much expertise in the law you may have or what degrees you may hold, you don’t have the right to come here and be discourteous and condescending.

  15. Benjamin Fulford 2-20-12…”A March 31st deadline has been delivered to the committee of 300 by the gnostic “illuminati” faction”
    Posted on February 20, 2012

    This week’s Ben provides a wealth of information related to several recent posts here (see this post, and that post). Continuing the theme of arrests, this report gives more detail into what is occurring behind the scenes. He states that even Silvio Berlusconi was arrested, but I have found no news sources that have reported that. As always with the Ben report, use Higher discernment while reading.

    Highlights

    Prince Harry has been in touch with the group and has agreed to take over control of the British Royal family from Queen Elizabeth.
    There are signs, such as the resignation of over a dozen senior bankers and the announcement of a $15 trillion fraud in the UK and a $6 trillion fraud in Italy, that these warnings have been taken seriously.
    Ireland, Portugal, Greece and Spain have all told the banks they are not going to pay back any of their loans because the loans were made illegally… these countries are going to “default,” and for a change it will be the bankers and not the average citizens, who will pay the price.
    The resignation of the heads of the World Bank, Credit Suisse, the Bank of India and “planned resignation” of the head of Goldman Sachs is just the beginning of a complete dismantling of the Khazarian banking monopoly.
    The $6 trillion fraud case in Italy is noteworthy because it is the one of the first such cases major corporate propaganda media outlets have reported worldwide.
    This means that people who were hitherto above the law and above institutions like the Vatican and the UN are no longer immune from arrest.
    The announcement in the UK Upper House by Lord Blackheath that $15 trillion had been stolen from a member of the “Indian-Chinese” royal family by [FRB's] Bernanke… Geithner and “Yusuke Horiguchi”… is a another sign of big change.
    …“Lord Sassoon.” The Sassoons are one of the families that profited from both the Opium wars and the colonization of Japan… He is expected to be arrested and questioned soon.
    Particular attention is going to be directed at the Pharmaceutical and chemical companies as well as satanic corporations like Microsoft and Monsanto, according to the Pentagon sources.
    Rahm Emmanuel, Karl Rove, Paul Wolfowitz, Donald Rumsfeld, J. Rockefeller, the Bushes and the various “Neocons,” are also due for arrest, according to multiple sources.
    The top power brokers in Japan have decided that a revolution will take place… This will not be allowed to happen.
    There is much more this writer knows but has been asked to remain silent about.

    —————————————————————————

    A March 31st deadline has been delivered to the committee of 300 by the gnostic “illuminati” faction

    The group that claims to have started the American, French and Russian revolutions state they have issued a March 31st deadline to the committee of 300, according to their spokesman “Alexander Romanoff.” In addition, Prince Harry has been in touch with the group and has agreed to take over control of the British Royal family from Queen Elizabeth. There are signs, such as the resignation of over a dozen senior bankers and the announcement of a $15 trillion fraud in the UK and a $6 trillion fraud in Italy, that these warnings have been taken seriously. The Italian case is especially noticeable because one of the people arrested was former Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconni. In addition a meeting is scheduled this week between a White Dragon Society representative and a representatives of the dragon family in mainland Asia to discuss the creation of a meritocratically staffed economic planning agency.

    It can also now be disclosed that Ireland, Portugal, Greece and Spain have all told the banks they are not going to pay back any of their loans because the loans were made illegally. This is one of the reasons why Moody’s downgraded 114 financial institutions including Citibank, Goldman Sachs, Bank of America, Deutschebank etc. These are the institutions that own the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal Reserve Board is going to be shut down soon, according to Pentagon sources. In other words these countries are going to “default,” and for a change it will be the bankers and not the average citizens, who will pay the price.

    The resignation of the heads of the World Bank, Credit Suisse, the Bank of India and “planned resignation” of the head of Goldman Sachs is just the beginning of a complete dismantling of the Khazarian banking monopoly. All money created through fraud is now going to be deleted from the global financial computer systems, according to officials involved in the take-down.

    The $6 trillion fraud case in Italy is noteworthy because it is the one of the first such cases major corporate propaganda media outlets have reported worldwide. Italian newspapers have also now started reporting on the Neil Keenan lawsuit against the Davos World Forum, Berlusconi, the UN etc. accusing them of a $1 trillion theft. The arrest of 8 people is a further concrete sign of action being taken against the P2 Freemason lodge. This means that people who were hitherto above the law and above institutions like the Vatican and the UN are no longer immune from arrest.

    The announcement in the UK Upper House by Lord Blackheath that $15 trillion had been stolen from a member of the “Indian-Chinese” royal family by Federal Reserve Board Chairman Ben Bernanke, US Treasury secretary Timothy Geithner and “Yusuke Horiguchi”(we are making enquiries about this individual), is a another sign of big change. The most interesting aspect of the Upper House testimony was the reference to a “Lord Sassoon.” The Sassoons are one of the families that profited from both the Opium wars and the colonization of Japan and it is interesting to see their name finally appear in the spotlight. Lord Sassoon has, as the testimony makes clear, already committed perjury in relation to the $15 trillion case. He is expected to be arrested and questioned soon.

    In the US, as well change continues under the surface. The pentagon has already decided that a major purge of Khazarian Satanist influence and control of corporations, banks and professional organizations will take place. Among the organizations expected to experience high profile arrests are the American Medical Association, the American Dental Association, the Psychiatric and Psychology Associations, the Bar Association, the chambers of commerce and of course the Washington D.C. beltway.

    Particular attention is going to be directed at the Pharmaceutical and chemical companies as well as satanic corporations like Microsoft and Monsanto, according to the Pentagon sources.

    Rahm Emmanuel, Karl Rove, Paul Wolfowitz, Donald Rumsfeld, J. Rockefeller, the Bushes and the various “Neocons,” are also due for arrest, according to multiple sources. The proof of these claims of course, can only be made if these promised arrests actually take place. Until then skepticism remains the order of the day.

    In Japan there is more credible evidence of change. The top power brokers in Japan have decided that a revolution will take place. They are pushing for Osaka Major Toru Hashimoto to be the leader of the new regime in this country. It is particularly noteworthy that two bitter, but extremely influential, rivals among the power-brokers both support Hashimoto. The Zionist flunkies are also trying to co-opt Hashimoto and make him one of their tools. This will not be allowed to happen.

    Ruling Democratic Party of Japan power-brokers Ichiro Ozawa (a Rockefeller servant) and former Prime Minister Yukio Hatoyama (a Freemason working for European royal families) will be bringing a large group of MP’s to China in March in search for financial and other support. It has already been concluded they will return from this trip empty-handed.

    There is much more this writer knows but has been asked to remain silent about. However, there will be proof and detail from this week’s meetings available in next week’s report.

    http://kauilapele.wordpress.com/2012/02/20/benjamin-fulford-2-20-12-a-march-31st-deadline-has-been-delivered-to-the-committee-of-300-by-the-gnostic-illuminati-faction/

  16. If you care to investigate there are several sources now who are speaking openly about the life changing things about to happen in our world…..more sources are coming out speaking about the BANKSTER resignations (several occurred last week) I posted about on an earlier thread and NOW many talking about major arrests of top leaders in governments and banking…….hold on we could be in for a wild ride!

  17. Michelle hits the slopes in Aspen month after Hawaiian holiday…

    Well it has been a whole month! Just weeks after 17-day Hawaii vacation Michelle hits the slopes with daughters on Aspen ski tripBy Hannah Roberts

    With the economy on its knees, many American families have had to forgo their annual holiday just to make ends meet.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2103173/Just-weeks-17-day-Hawaii-holiday-Michelle-Obama-takes-daughters-ski-trip-Aspen.html#ixzz1mwRWi9I9

  18. I received this in and email this morning from a fellow LIBERTY LOVER Dave Mack…..please do what he asks…..

    Ron Paul has now said what I have been waiting for him to say for a long time.

    It is now time to start moving forward to clean house in DC.

    Please play your part in helping do so and saving this country by spreading this message. It can’t reach too many people!

    Just Dave

  19. pete
    I have been following this blog for years now. I have seen the posters come and go. I have never seen jbjd post anything yet that has not had the element of truth and fact in it.
    jbjd has taken a lot of time to physically research the isssues we are currently facing and presenting them from the viewpoint of a lawyer. Since posting here, it has become evident that, with the exception of Wells himself, if one does not like what they hear, either you will receive a severe tounge lashing or you will just be marginalized until you are no longer relavent.
    Researching law requires skills which are generally only learned in law school. Lawyers, like any other profession are either good, bad, or mediocre. It appears to me, that we have been taking the word of the bad and mediocre because it is what we want to hear. It appeals to our level of anger and frustration. Frustration because, when we dabble in the legal arena, we are far out of our area of expertise. Granted, we may be conversant with the law concerning some personal experience we might have had, but generally, because we lack the expertise, we tend to see legal issues in terms of black and white instead of reality which is more like shades of grey.
    jbjd has graciously responded to the questions here with answers presented as fact, not speculation. She tends to format those answers as if coming from a professor, with the intent of causing the student to maybe want to do some of their own research. You know why?…because that is the way she learned it…. Most probably, I would guess, from some very demanding law professor in a very prestigious school.
    You should consider yourselves lucky. Back in the day, I could not afford to go beyond the mini-bar given at the end of the first year. Some of these educations are immensely expensive and here we have been getting the benefit of that for free.
    I, for one, am very grateful.

  20. Must See All the BIG BANKSTERS Resign Check it Out!!! This has to be MORE than a Coincidence – Where are they going?list

    Posted By: Susoni
    Date: Monday, 20-Feb-2012 12:07:51

    It appears that all the rats are being cleaned out of the banks. One wonders if it is to escape angry citizens or because they are being ferried off to some underground bunker? Add to this list Germany’s President. .. Netanyahu’s Bureau chief – Natan Eschel ….. Las Vegas State Senator Elizabeth Halseth … and more.

    Susoni

    Romanian prime minister and cabinet resign en masse

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/feb/06/romania-pm-cabinet-resign

    Global bank resignations
    Resignations Global Banks ….

    1 World Bank CEO Zoellick resigns
    http://business.time.com/2012/02/15/…llick-resigns/

    2 Anz Bank CFO Australia resigns
    http://www.proformative.com/news/147…s-amid-turmoil

    3 Nicaraqua Central Bank Pres Rosales resigns
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0…-amid-row.html

    4 Credit Suisse Chief Joseph Tan resigns
    http://www.businessweek.com/news/201…n-resigns.html

    5 GERMAN PRESIDENT Christian Ruff resigns
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti…ed-resign.html

    6 Royal Bank of Scotland Austrailin CEO Stephen Williams resigns
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/busi…-1226272513981

    7 Kuwait Central Bank CEO resigns
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/busine…OAR_story.html

    8 Slovenia TWO largest Banks CEO’s (2) resign
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0…s-resigns.html

    9 Bank of India CEO Chaturvedi resigns
    http://www.livemint.com/2012/02/0616…itabh-Cha.html

    10 Tamilnad Mercantile Bank CEO resigns
    http://www.business-standard.com/ind…resigns/464259

    11 GOLDMAN SACHS CEO Blankenfein to resign (Nothing printed on this yet UNLESS this JUST happened. Last article said he is not stepping down in 2011).

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0…_n_858647.html

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/busine…OAR_story.html

    12.
    N.C. banking official resigns
    http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=13&ved=0CDgQFjACOAo&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newsobserver.com%2F2012%2F02%2F15%2F1855967%2Fnc-banking-official-resigns.html&ei=6HxCT8bUJNLy2gWwz6GSCA&usg=AFQjCNGleDoGYbSQrE_4mggScv3D9yxQ-w

    13. Switzerland’s central bank chief resigns

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2012/01/201219145612935171.html

    ***********************

    Mass Resignation of the Proxies: Why Are So Many Key Financial Figures Waiving the White Flag?

    (some are repeats on this list)

    Here are the recent resignations in chronological order:

    February 6, 2012: Dhanlaxmi Bank CEO Amitabh Chaturvedi quits: http://www.livemint.com/2012/02/06160111/Dhanlaxmi-Bank-CEO-Amitabh-Cha.html

    February 10, 2012: Tamilnad Mercantile Bank MD resigns: http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/tamilnad-mercantile-bank-md-resigns/464259/

    February 13, 2012: Kuwait central bank chief resigns amid political tensions: http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/industries/kuwait-central-bank-chief-resigns-amid-political-tensions/2012/02/13/gIQAcxrOAR_story.html

    February 14, 2012: Nicaragua’s Central Bank President Antenor Rosales quit admist row:http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-14/nicaragua-central-bank-head-quits-amid-row.html

    February 15, 2012: Slovenia’s Two Biggest Banks’ CEOs Step Down: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-15/slovenia-s-nova-kreditna-banka-maribor-ceo-plos-resigns.html

    February 15, 2012: World Bank President Zoellick Resigns: http://business.time.com/2012/02/15/world-bank-president-zoellick-resigns/

    February 16, 2012: CFO of ANZ Bank Resigns Amid Turmoil: http://www.proformative.com/news/1470243/cfo-anz-bank-resigns-amid-turmoil

    February 16, 2012: Royal Bank of Scotland’s Stephen Williams quits the role: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/wall-street-journal/andrew-chick-to-lead-royal-bank-of-scotlands-australian-arm/story-fnay3vxj-1226272513981

    February 17, 2012: Credit Suisse’s Private Bank Chief Asian Economist Tan Resigns:http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-02-17/credit-suisse-s-private-bank-chief-asian-economist-tan-resigns.html

    That’s 9 resignations in then eleven days, we have not included the other resignations from the likes of the head of the central bank in Switzerland a month ago, and the talk of the head of Goldman Sachs leaving. Why are the heads of very large financial instutitions resigning? Corporate governance experts would say that people resign to make room for new policies, and way of doing things, but this is a peculiar situation of contagion amongst those with key exposure.

    The first to see the flame, usually leave the building, maybe this is not the case, nonetheless, such events with obvious patterns should be taken note of.

    http://valuebin.wordpress.com/2012/02/20/mass-resignation-of-the-proxies-why-are-so-many-key-financial-figures-waiving-the-white-flag/

  21. Thanks Bessie.

  22. Well, what should the average citizen do? Withdraw all money from the bank?

  23. The White Hats and Lord James of BlackHeath Deliver a Death Blow to The Cabal

  24. Miss Tickly……………..
    I read the entire content on Obama’sGarden. While I agree with most of it there are a few points that I question, That is to say that I am more curious than anything else. As you May know I earned my living as a commercial printer. Thie includes both letterpress and lithography. I know the business from A to Z and can do the work correctly in any department. Over the years I became somewhat knowledgeable regarding various types of paper,safety paper etc. My question relates to the alleged embossing of a seal. Notary Public seals are of the same type. I am only saying that to create a raised seal on one side of the paper you must create a DEBOSSED seal on the opposite side. This is common with raised seals. We done special work for the DOD from time to time during the 60s, and in each instance we were required to apply a seal to the prepared work statement. This was because the work pertained to the then classified Sonobouy development program. This seal was also one that simply di

  25. ………this seal was one that simply displaced paper on one side ,and raised it on the opposite side. Sorry for the continuance but WordPress does not agree with my operating format.

  26. Coldwarvet……………
    While I too do not pretend to be a legal fleegle, the problem as i see it is one that reciting laws from A TO Z doesn’t mean much when it is PROVEN fact that we no longer HAVE A COURTROOM IN WHICH TO APPLY THE LAW. Until we are able to somehow correct the blocking of the APPLICATION of law it is USELESS to RECITE it. However I do agree that HIS/HER renditions of the law are “educational”,but NOT necessarily USEFUL.

  27. Something has to give. Someone fairly reliable mentioned a false flag may 20th. who knows. they need a war because sitting presdients are hard to remove during war. the public wants stability and leadership. even though obama is corrupt they will prop him up with military personel etc. just like giffords event. as soon as she was shot and survied. i said they will trot her out for politcal gain. right on the money

  28. Once the path to fair adjudication is reopened then I would say that any and all of JBJDs posts would have very significant value.

  29. Truthbetold11………..
    The INSANE shooting of Giffords deeply angered me. It was something that only a DIRTY ,LITTLE, SCUM would perpetrate. I continue to feel really saddened by what she went through,and is still going through. If I were to come face to face with the piece of shi# who done this I would probably save the state a lot of money in his prosecution. That is how angered I am. But rest assured it would be an event that would be extremely painful to the BASTARD.

  30. These comments are reproduced in chronological order.

    ***************************************************************
    1. oldsalt79 | February 19, 2012 at 11:02 am |

    I wonder how long it will take jbjd to post a scathing ridicule against Commander Kerschner, and RECITE PENNSYLVANIA LAW TO US WORD FOR WORD.
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    2. jbjd | February 19, 2012 at 9:31 pm |

    bob strauss | February 19, 2012 at 3:27 pm |

    I would like to hear what jbjd thinks about the chances of success, for Kerchner. I might not like what I hear, but I am willing to listen.
    *******************************************************************************
    Since you ask my opinion, I will provide an answer which can be applied to both this filing and any future filings, along these lines.
    ****************************************************************

    3. oldsalt79 | February 20, 2012 at 6:02 am |

    Well it appears that MMMMSSSS. jbjd has appeared right on schedule. Even though I personally did not ask for HIS/HER opinion. All I done was wonder when HE/SHE would appear. Looks as though I was right. Now we all KNOW Pennsylvania LAW as it relates to ballot eligibility FROM A TO Z. Well done MMMMSSSS.jbjd. You made my day!
    *****************************************************************

    4. oldsalt79 | February 20, 2012 at 2:52 pm |

    Coldwarvet……………
    While I too do not pretend to be a legal fleegle, the problem as i see it is one that reciting laws from A TO Z doesn’t mean much when it is PROVEN fact that we no longer HAVE A COURTROOM IN WHICH TO APPLY THE LAW. Until we are able to somehow correct the blocking of the APPLICATION of law it is USELESS to RECITE it. However I do agree that HIS/HER renditions of the law are “educational”,but NOT necessarily USEFUL.

  31. Truthbetold11………….
    A president isn’t hard to remove from office during wartime…. case in point Tricky Dicky. It was only a matter of grasping him by the ASS. It wasn’t what he perpetrated that brought him down it was his stupidity in trying to cover it up, and trying to buck Congress in the process. Sadly we no longer have such a FEROCIOUS Congress. Could that be because they are all birds of the same feather?

  32. If anything that I have stated on this blog is OFFENSIVE to JBJD, perhaps there is a need to determine where the line is that separates offensive from FACT. While MMMSSS. JBJD once made a reference to me aas a WOMEN HATER, does such a statement fit OFFENSIVE or informed fact. MMMSSS. JBJD opend this can of peas not me. BTW My first marriage of 22 years ended in the death of my first wife who presented me with two sons both of whom are successful business today. I loved her dearly,and still miss her. I remarried a beautiful Registered Nurse, who I also adore. I am still married to her and this happened in 1995. So does it appear that I am a woman hater as JBJD saw fit to say. I am probably old enough to be MMMSSSS, JBJDs father. To me he/she is but a child. Also noteworthy is the fact that most sailors are NOT woman haters. They usually are admirers.

  33. JBJD…………….
    Frankly I don’t care if what you have to say is in CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER or OTHERWISE. It still says the same thing. If this sort of nit picking is your forte …..be my guest. Nothing you have to say matters a hill of beans to me anyway. I usually just scroll past what you have to say. Or am I ORDERED to READ every word that you type? If that is the case then you might as well give me an F grade. Isn’t that what this is all about really…….your imagined school teacher sort of superiority to everyone else, and your NEED to have the LAST WORD. I don’t in anyway take away your right to the last word. I as a sailor years ago was also accustomed to having the last word in any verbal exchange……….(.AYE AYE ,SIR.) LOL

  34. @jbjd: I hope you are involved with ObamaBallotChallenge.com because you seem to have immense knowledge about this issue. If you are not, could you please explain to me why you are not helping this important issue? Thanks

  35. Bye Bye timt to let the PUPS out for a romp.

  36. Mr. Bill(ms. helga)

    jacqlynsmith | February 20, 2012 at 2:13 pm |

    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    Very interesting video. If you drag the playbug to exactly 12:23 you will see a black & white picture of what I call “The Big 4″. From right to left – Big Ben, House of Parliament, West Minster Abbey and “V” shaped Vickers House.
    In 1967 Vickers celebrated their 100th Anniversary by having a movie commissioned called “Vickers Centenary”. If you are interested here it is. Basically the modern history of the British Empire.

  37. bjd | February 20, 2012 at 3:10 pm |
    These comments are reproduced in chronological order.
    ==============================
    Jbjd,

    I laughed when I read your post. You did the same thing that I did, went back to through previous threads to find posts to support my point of view. But I’m not going to post them now even though it took well over an hour. Want to know why? I realized that we are all frustrated about the usurper and the damage he’s doing to our country and nobody has been able to stop him. We’re to the point that we’re doing battle with each other and division among the ranks brings defeat. The left must be laughing with glee at the potentially demise of faithfulness to our cause.

    I apologize for my own haughtiness but I tend to be sensitive when it comes to anyone questioning my character or my motives. I suppose there are others, like oldsalt, who feel the same. We need to agree to disagree and to share the wisdom and knowledge and insights that we all have been given. We should seek reconciliation, take a deep breath and then get back to work.

  38. The various types of ballot procedures according to the various states may be one procedural battle that is self limiting but then again if judges or administrators are that ignorant of the law under the Constitution and only cite various current opinions which themselves have not precedent standing, then more than likely these same state authorities may be just as ignorant as to their own state ballot procedures. IOW it’s pretty much a mess these days and the foundation for opinions is and has been political in nature rather than accurately cited law other than blog commentaters who can’t help the situation in reality.

    Being aware of this mushy and unpredictable response to the various cases already brought I would choose another venue….for instance being a whistle blower to say the IRS by an offering to them of what is thought to be a fraudulent use of a SSN and simply offer that number alone to them and ask them to check it along with the name of anyone using it in their record history and then request that they verify the number with said name/s with the SSA. The onus to act on the anonymously offered information would be on that agency. And it would be up to the testimony of the agency to state a felony as being committed by their own records. And….it could then be challenged in court with that info and the persons who have done the fact checking within these agencies could be called for their testimony themselves rather than only the weight or lack thereof of the civilian investigators. But I still think the word has gone out via the CIA, Secret Service, etc. that the info re: the usurper is guarded by their very own programs in which he participated and they are protecting….for “state security”. Meanwhile the arguing over how many legal angels can dance on the heads of the different state ballot procedures is appearing a waste of good time and brain power as well as appearing rather knit picking that goes nowhere.

    Up against such legal delicacies then those considered to be blunderers, and hopeless challengers have been the only ones to bring to the public the evidence of questionable history of this pResident and at least through that “losing” battle it has been forced on the media to talk about things and also show more backward opportunities for this pResident to reveal himself as someone with something to hide at a great $$ price to himself.

  39. observer | February 19, 2012 at 6:29 pm |
    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/02/obama-administration-arrests-praying-pastor-and-priest-outside-white-house-video/

    Six people peacefully protested the Obama administration’s mandate requiring employers to provide contraceptives, sterilization, and abortion-producing drugs by kneeling in prayer in front of the White House, and they quickly were arrested and whisked away by U.S. Park police.

    “Occupy Wall Street protesters have been occupying federal property for months, but when we kneel in prayer, the police are called in and we are arrested,” said Father Wilde, one of the protesters
    ===============================
    Is anyone else disturbed about these people being arrested for praying while occupiers camped out for months with no repercussion?

  40. This is good:

    Santorum aide on DNC attacks: Romney and Democrats have same strategy

    Santorum’s communications director, Hogan Gidley, pointed to the DNC attacks as “another instance where Mitt Romney and Barack Obama have joined together — first it’s on the issues, then it’s on strategy.”

    “It’s pretty sad but comical that Mitt Romney and Barack Obama are so similar on their positions on government health care and the big bank bail out and cap and tax, and with his attack from the DNC, it also proves that Mitt Romney and Barack Obama are the same in campaign tactics,” Gidley said.

    “Instead of talking about their own records, they choose to spend millions and millions of dollars to send out their well-funded D.C. attack machines,” Gidley went on, saying that was either because they didn’t have any accomplishments of their own to tout, or because what accomplishments they did have were bad.

    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/02/20/santorum-aide-on-dnc-attacks-romney-and-democrats-have-same-strategy/#ixzz1mxXNqTgh

  41. Mr. Bill(ms. helga)

    Mr. Bill(ms. helga) | February 20, 2012 at 3:59 pm |

    Is in moderation – so you know it’s HOT

  42. According to the WND article above, an Indiana challenge was filed.

    “An original challenge against candidate Barack Obama was filed with the election commission by a registered voter at 10:51 am. We need your help in alerting media. They wrote a lot about the Secretary of State Republican Charlie White being thrown out of office. Now we need to hound all of the same media outlets and demand coverage of this complaint against Obama. We need the same District Attorney, who filed charges against the Sec of State in Marion county, IN, to file criminal charges of elections fraud, wire fraud, Social Security fraud, uttering of forged documents, against candidate Barack Hussein Obama.”
    http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=31825

    Taitz filed against candidate Barack Obama.

    Why wasn’t the challenged filed against those who certified his name for the ballot in Indiana based on the 2008 certification of nomination?

    Indiana Election Code

    IC 3-8-1
    Chapter 1. Qualifications for Candidates

    IC 3-8-1-6
    President or Vice President
    Sec. 6. (a) A candidate for the office of President or Vice President of the United States must have the qualifications provided in Article 2, Section 1, clause 4 of the Constitution of the United States.
    http://www.in.gov/legislative/ic/code/title3/ar8/ch1.html

    IC 3-10-4-5
    Certification of nominees and electors
    Sec. 5. (a) This subsection applies to a major political party and to a political party subject to IC 3-8-4-10. The state chairman of each political party shall certify to the election division the names of the nominees of the party for President and Vice President of the United States and the state of which each nominee is a resident.
    http://www.in.gov/legislative/ic/code/title3/ar10/ch4.html#IC3-10-4-5

    The 2008 Indiana certification of nomination:
    https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:ovMCpq_y5hwJ:media.abovetopsecret.com/flvfile/4224.flv+indiana,+Democratic+National+Committeecertification+of+nomination&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESjVLhE9mOzzURzOOP0EC-8Gu3fpCoxl1-MBqZJbjJw_v9Kdkqud6-GtDcnfhi1yf5VnhO0KWqQffAlZhnAM0jqT5GpCwK0BHDhfUHMOEImPcIA79fQ3NhZWo72h7Bqwifgu8_mA&sig=AHIEtbS8DbYeF7-Zm7zGPp9Eq1vOgKhP6A

    In 2008, how did Daniel J. Parker, Chairman of the Indiana Democratic Party along with Nancy Pelosi and Alice Travis Germond of the national political party certify to the election division the names of their nominee as having the qualifications provided in Article 2, Section 1, clause 4 of the Constitution of the United States other than from their candidate’s political advertisement showing an ad copy image resembling a birth record?

    In 2012, will the same political Party actors sign a certification of nomination to place the name of their nominee on the ballot for the general election?

  43. Remember this

    That reminds me of Obama’s interview with ABC when he said “My muslim faith” and Stephanopoulos then corrected him saying …”Christian Faith”, Obama then repeated “My Christian Faith”

  44. Old Salt
    jbjd has reposted the formula for success many times but it doesn’t seem to have been interpreted as it was intended.
    The thrust of virtually all the actions to date, by law, places the burden of proof upon the accuser, by accusing Obama of being inelegible by Constitutional mandate. That information is not available to the accusers. He is accused of not being natural born. He is accused of being foreign born. He is accused of not having credentials, and so on down the line.
    None of this is to say the justice system has not been available to anyone to file these actions of which none has been successful and, additionally, have fucused on Obama in a way that would, were an action to be successful, would deprive us all of equal protection under the law which would in itself be a violation of the Constitution.
    jbjd has said that by bringing an action against the DNC,( which IS required by law in certain states, to validate the QUALIFICATIONS of their candidate), there is EXISTING law which would necessarily require them to produce documentation to PROVE their candidate meets the requirements already mandated by those laws. It would additionally provide the remedies necessary to afford adjudication should the DNC fail to provide such proof.
    I’m personally for this approach as it will pull the thread, so to speak, which will begin to unravel the entire DNC scheme, conspiracy, whatever you choose to call it, including Obama himself. Who even knows where it could lead.
    In other words, they are just loving the fact we are focusing on Obama.
    Again, I am not a lawyer.

  45. Mr. Bill.
    You are not in moderation.

  46. Mr. Bill(ms. helga)

    Thank you CW. BUT I was for 4 minutes.

  47. Anyone here from Missouri?

    Contact your State Representative and ask them to support HB1046………..
    Missouri HB 1046
    Requires proof of identity and status as a United States natural born citizen for the office of President and Vice President to be submitted with other required certification documents to the Secretary of State
    Sponsor: Rowland, Lyle (143)
    Proposed Effective Date: 8/28/2012
    LR Number: 4081L.01I
    Last Action: 2/14/2012 – Public Hearing Completed (H)
    Bill String: HB 1046
    Next Hearing: Elections
    Date: 2/21/2012 Time: 8:30AM Location: House Hearing Room 5
    http://www.house.mo.gov/committeeindividual.aspx?com=17
    # # # # #

    The left is already in attack mode on this bill. Missourians and other patriots who want to show support for this bill you can contact MO Rep Lyle Roland at:
    Phone: 573-751-2042
    E-Mail: Lyle.Rowland@house.mo.gov

    Find your Missouri Representative here…….
    http://www.house.mo.gov/sitemap.aspx?pid=16

  48. William,
    In case you hadn’t noticed, I posted an apology to you on the previous thread. Sorry. You were right.

  49. Dutch Outraged Over Santorum’s Euthanasia Claim

    Talk about courage and being a mouth for Truth, fearlessly….as if another David, little and unlikely looking, chosen to attack the giant of Godless secularism at this most crucial time in our history:

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeedpolitics/dutch-outraged-over-santorums-euthanasia-clai

    It has long been known that the Dutch were some of the firsts to legalize euthanasia and there have been reports over the years that their elderly are literally afraid of doctors and afraid of hospitals due to their own “health” care “death panels”. So this attempt to try to keep these facts from the light by disparaging Santorum’s shining the light on them is desperation. If they’re embarrassed or shamed, well, they should be.

    Other reports label Santorum a “crazy extreme Catholic” with “a surreal view of the Netherlands.”

  50. Interested Bystander

    coldwarvet commented:

    “Researching law requires skills which are generally only learned in law school.”

    My opinion is that THIS is the problem. Laws are written in mumbo jumbo “speak”, BECAUSE of lawyers.

    On Obama’s eligibility, it’s fairly SIMPLE, if you’d ask me, and I pointed this out the other day.

    The Constitution states that ONLY a “natural born citizen” is eligible to be President.

    It is only LOGICAL that ONLY eligible candidates be placed on a ballot.

    All of this gobbly goop about “there’s no State law requiring a candidate be eligible to be on a ballot” seems like BS to me. The Constitution is the guideline for who is eligible, and therefore who can be on a ballot.

    What happened to LOGIC?

    Oh wait, the lawyers have taken LOGIC and COMMON SENSE out of law. EVERYTHING has to be spelled out in “whereto’s” and “whereas’s” and all kinds of stupid “lawyer” babble.

    You have to have a lawyer to even UNDERSTAND laws now.

    In my opinion, it’s ALL a game. It seems “elitist” to me. It seems that lawyers are “trying” to protect us from ourselves.

    And it is also my opinion that jbjd is a “little” sensitive. I responded to a comment from her the other day, and she came back with what I responded was critical of her. It wasn’t, it was simply putting a little REASON in to the mix, just as I am doing now.

    I appreciate her research and knowledge, but to “common” folks like myself, it just seems ridiculous.

  51. “Will Republicans put possibly unqualified senator on ballot?”

    http://giveusliberty1776.blogspot.com/2012/02/election-2012-ineligible-rubio-top-gop.html
    ============
    Who’s going to stop them?

    Not this guy:

    “The Mark Levin Show Sept 27,2011″

    “Mark Levin – Marco Rubio Was Born In Miami Florida He Is A Natural Born United States Citizen”


    ==========
    “Marco Rubio was born a Cuban Citizen via his parents.”

    “… See PDF copy of the Sep 1975 Petition for Naturalization for Mario Rubio, father of Senator Marco Rubio. Marco was born in May 1971, more than 4 years before his father Mario elected to become a U.S. Citizen and renounced his Cuban citizenship in Nov 1975″

    http://cdrkerchner.wordpress.com/2011/05/27/senator-marco-rubios-lack-of-natural-born-citizenship-update-27-may-2011-see-pdf-copy-of-the-sep-1975-petition-for-naturalization-for-mario-rubio-father-of-senator-marco-rubio-who-was-born-in-may/

  52. IB
    You are essentially correct in your assessment, or at least from your point of view however, there is an issue that you approached but, because it remains unclear, has been the cause of all our frustration in the causes you state. That point is a glaring insufficiency in the Constitution itself. That, of course, being the reference (lacking in supporting definitive language) to “natural born citizen,” although it would appear that it was not a problem for the framers at the time of it’s insertion rather, it was accepted teminology for it’s day. They also thought it would take a thousand years to settle North America. i.e. …we no longer speak or think in those terms. The inference is plain however.
    My post you are refering to was mainly to provide a modicum of insight to a complex issue.
    If you want to see what real intimidation and abrasiveness is…try sitting through even one semester of ANY law school. Let alone one of the prestigious ones.
    You are correct also in that we are excessively bound within a framework of laws but, unfortunately, that is the hand we have been dealt. jbjd is trying to help all of us here navigate through this, on our own, as best she can. In other words, though she sounds a bit abrasive at times…don’t take it personally….unless you challenge her (in a not so nice way)
    Listen to the message, not the messenger. That’s what got a lot of messengers killed back in the day, and kept others from getting the message…

  53. Interested Bystander | February 20, 2012 at 5:54 pm |
    It is only LOGICAL that ONLY eligible candidates be placed on a ballot.

    All of this gobbly goop about “there’s no State law requiring a candidate be eligible to be on a ballot” seems like BS to me. The Constitution is the guideline for who is eligible, and therefore who can be on a ballot.

    What happened to LOGIC?
    ********************************
    IB, your frustration is shared by many here. During the last several years we have been exposed to the opinions of various practicing attorneys, as well as one who has a JD degree but does not actually practice law, at least to my knowledge. The latter has done considerable research along the lines of placing the burden on the states, i.e., citizens of each state should file the appropriate paperwork based on the laws of that state.

    On the other hand, there have been notable efforts made by other learned attorneys who have directed their expertise towards court cases in different venues and with various pleadings. None has been successful, and yet these lawyers are very impressive and well-trained in constitutional law. Accordingly, we have reluctantly come to the conclusion that the judicial system, as well as congressional, is in a state of lock-down.

    We have yet to see what may happen if the state approach will yield any results; however, it is not being given the proper chance to survive, because according to jbjd her methods are not being followed.

    Query: would her methods, even if followed exactly, have any greater chance of success? If her methods are truly workable, then why are they not being applied now? Methinks the theory is great, but beyond that, those efforts would ultimately meet with the same end results, because all avenues are under lock-down.

    What is the lock-down? As far as the individual states are concerned, the move to keep O off the ballot will meet with untold force for at least two reasons:
    1) The states fear reprisals by the federal government in the nature of
    lawsuits. After all, the O administration has no compunction about suing AZ or any other state.
    2) The feds have the power to cut off federal funding to the states. What state wants to risk THAT during a time when many are suffering financial woes?

  54. IB
    Though logic and common sense could actually save your life, it doesn’t pay well in monetary terms.
    When the world starts to unravel, I’m wondering what good all the “whereto’s and whereas’s” will be.
    I’m thinkin’ the game is rigged.

  55. A short P.S. to my previous answer to IB.
    It might be well to note also that jbjd has identified a defect in our electoral system that we can indeed do something about on our own. That defect being the inconsistencies within that system regarding vetting and the individual provisions for implementing sanctions concerning that vetting process. All this at the state level.
    In this particular instance, the DNC has exploited these inconsistencies to their advantage in perpetrating a fraud against the American people. Whether we like it or not these parties are constantly seeking these kinds of ways to turn our own system against us. Believe me when I say…there’s money in it.

  56. Interested Bystander

    coldwarvet commented:

    “That point is a glaring insufficiency in the Constitution itself.”

    But maybe it’s YOU who doesn’t “get it”, because there is NO “glaring insufficiency”, because the Constitution itself has in it what happens when there is a question on the meaning of what is in the Constitution, and that is that we have the Supreme Court to interpret what is meant by the words in the Constitution.

    But yet they are “avoiding” the issue.

    I believe I know why, but in my opinion they are COWARDS for NOT taking on this issue.

    Honestly, it is my belief that when this issue came to light, it shouldn’t have had to go through “lower” courts, it should have bee taken up by the Court responsible for interpreting the Constitution.

    It is a LEGITIMATE issue, and was brought up BEFORE the election of 2008..

    The SC should have taken up the issue and put it to rest.

    NOW they’ve made their bed, and will have to pay for their crimes.

  57. Interested Bystander

    SueQ,

    And I’m right there with you.

    I think it’s rigged also.

  58. jbjd
    …and ladies and gentlemen of the jury…
    I rest my case…I was of the impression I was presenting a linear argument…

  59. A few good youtubes:

    First, Reagan’s “cow manure” talk:

    Fr. Leo Patalinghug

    Apparently he’s a great chef and breakdancer too!!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DN1xUirVuE

  60. Interested Bystander

    Cabby,

    Although I appreciate jbjd’s research and knowledge, as I have stated prevously, I would also comment that this whole thing is a GAME to these people.

    You know, if you go to McDonalds and buy a cup of coffee, and sit it between your legs, and it spills out and burns your leg, McDonalds has to pay you millions of dollars (I believe the sum was reduced later on).

    Forget the fact that the person decided to place the coffee between their legs in the first place.

    I believe there is a pretty simple solution to this problem. Make the loser pay for Court costs.

    Seems there’s no penalty for bringing frivolous lawsuits.

  61. In moderation…again….at 7:12….due to embedded youtubes I’m certain. Help, again, CW and thanks, again!!

  62. IB
    What I do “get” is that neither a case nor “writ of certiorari” have come before the Supreme Court as actionable causes to date. If there is no glaring insufficiency in this Constitutional term, “natural born citizen”, then I submit to you, by definition, what is it?

  63. Ah, the 1%: the moguls and oligarchs who currently rule the roost from on high in the United States. They control the majority of the wealth and assets of the country, buy our politicians with the flick of a few bucks and have the ability to hold sway over the legislative process to their own advantage. They are the few against the many, but because of their wealth and influence, they hold the reins on the monopoly.

    But who are they?

    The Bravenew Foundation has launched an ad campaign detailing their misdeeds in short, one minute exposes to educate us all on how they exploit the rest of the citizenry. Some of the names will be familiar, while some might not be.

    So let’s meet them, shall we?….

    http://current.com/16q94kc

  64. Interested Bystander

    coldwarvet,

    Are you asking what IS the definition of the term “natural born citizen”?

    If you are, it’s pretty simple,

    Born on US soil to parentS who are BOTH citizens of the US.

    Seems to me that this is the definition the Founders went by.

    But then again, I haven’t spent hours or years in a law school classroom being indoctrinated in to parsing every word printed in a law.

    But I blame the SC, it didn’t and still hasn’t done what we pay them for.

    Native born and Natural born are NOT interchangeable both ways. A Natural born citizen IS a Native born citizen, but a Native born citizen may NOT be a Natural born citizen.

    Seems like a one line “opinion” from the SC if you ask me.

    But please do NOT interpret my views as a condemnation of what jbjd is doing. It just shines the light on how ridiculous our laws are, and that everything has to be “regulated” by laws.

  65. What comes to mind is one of those 2-bit carnivals that came to town when I was young. You buy a ticket for a chance to take out a duck with your little toy rifle. You hit it not once , nor twice but three times. They all just bounce off and the duck, which just continues to swim along. You lose. No prize. It’s rigged.

  66. IB
    We have now covered, legislative activity at the state level, Constitutional law 101, tort law, and now you are referring to cases involving civil liability.
    I think you are being swept away in the moment.
    There is, in fact, a remedy to frivolous lawsuits….dismissal. There are also santions available should it be determined that a case is frivolous during the course of trial. These sanctions are heavy enough that it is an adequate deterrent to most lawyers.
    Would you deny a persons right to bring a lawsuit due to fear of sanctions?

  67. Interested Bystander

    coldwarvet,

    No I wouldn’t.

    Here’s the problem as I see it:

    You have LAWYERS writting laws that other LAWYERS try to find “loopholes” in.

    It’s a GAME, plain and simple.

  68. …let the “games” commence……smile.

  69. IB
    Admittedly, my question was more of a rhetorical one. Where, in the Constitution itself, does it give a definition of the term ” natural born citizen”?. Seems to me, had it not been common terminology at the time, they would have included a short definition. Our problem remains…they didn’t. The Supreme Court, even in Happersett, only used the term to prove that Minor was indeed a citizen.
    The problem I see here however, is that, even if we had a definition of “natural born citizen”, by the Supreme Court tomorrow, we will still have the situation of having to force the DNC to prove that Obama is an eligible candidate. If Happersett will indeed be the controlling issue here, it still will need to find it’s way to the SCOTUS, and if these cases keep being dismissed for improper proceedure or venue, it looks to be a long way off.
    This is the way it is, and no amount of speculative discourse is going to change it. At least it hasn’t so far.

  70. I haven’t posted here in quite awhile… all the bickering is unbelievable. You all should read the latest installment of the White House Insider – we all should be ashamed. When you get about half-way down the page you will see how he is describing us!! We are doing the Dems work for them.!!
    http://theulstermanreport.com/2012/02/20/white-house-insider-pump-and-dump/#comment-14315

  71. Scarolina | February 20, 2012 at 8:57 pm |
    I haven’t posted here in quite awhile… all the bickering is unbelievable.
    ***************************
    Sorry, Scarolina, but what has been discussed here tonight I would not call bickering, at least not according to WHI, who describes the situation where we are unduly criticizing our own candidates. We have just been carrying on discussions about the judicial system, role of natural born citizen, etc.
    In fact, I would say that except, perhaps, for some of the Paul supporters who are free to express their opinions, the folks at CW are pretty tolerant in their posts with respect to the candidates themselves. That is what Insider was referring to, imo.

  72. Ok Scarolina,
    I was buying the WSI reports in the past, but not anymore. He could be real or not… I don’t know… either way he is full of it! And no, I am not ashamed of myself. Neither should anyone here. We disagree on many things but as a whole, we are on the same page with the same goal.

  73. >>>Coldwarvet:
    IB
    What I do “get” is that neither a case nor “writ of certiorari” have come before the Supreme Court as actionable causes to date. If there is no glaring insufficiency in this Constitutional term, “natural born citizen”, then I submit to you, by definition, what is it?<<<

    I am starting to get the feeling that we have an obot invasion. However, this is a reasonable question. What is "Natural Born Citizen".

    The facts: 1)Term used in a letter by John Jay to George Washington. 2) Fact John Jay and George Washington both were well read on Vattel's work on Laws of Nations. —Please note that George Washington did not return two books to the New York city library (there was no US or Congress library) and one of those books was Vattel's Laws of Nations. 3)The founding fathers, including George Washington, whom had fought for the right to be Free and Americans–United States of America citizens, ABSOLUTELY did not consider themselves Natural Born Citizens because they were born British. The proved this by adding a provision within the Constitution allowing them to serve a POTUS. This proves, beyond reasonable doubt, that the founding fathers believed being born on soil of the current United States did not make you a Natural born Citizen. The understanding of British and Monarchy claims to 'subjects' was based upon the Father's Citizenship and passed paternally by British Common Law. 4) The author of the 14th Amendment, commenting on Natural Born Citizenship on the floor of Congress, stated that Natural Born Citizens did not include American Indians. American Indians were born on US soil, but were not born under the Jurisdiction of the United States Government (at least at the time). Therefore, by discussions we know that born on native soil isn't enough to be considered Natural Born, but you must be born under the Jurisdiction of the United States. 5) In the Minor vs Happenstaff ruling, the SCOTUS major opinion ruled that "Those born of Citizen parents, born on Native soil, were citizens at birth or Natural Born…"

    We know that a person born without conflict, born of Citizen parents and under the Jurisdiction of the United States is a "Natural Born Citizen". This was recently re-affirmed by both Democrat and Republican on the vote on John McCain whom was born in the Panama Canal Zone (under the Jurisdiction of the United States) of Two US Citizen Parents and called Natural Born by 'act of Congress'.

    Therefore, we can say that any individual born of Citizen parents (note the pleural) on US soil is a Natural Born Citizen. I see no stated conflict anywhere to this. The author's of the majority opinion put it best…."To all others the status is in question". Logically, which completely evades Obots, is that a OPINION is required on if these other individuals whom are born of CONFLICTED LOYALTIES, are qualified as Natural Born Citizens.

    The real conflict here is NOT if the 14th Amendment, which was intended to give Constitutional rights to people whom were previously denied them. Any rational person whom has followed this understands that a legal opinion, that uses the 14th Amendment as justification for qualifications for POTUS could have easily been forwarded to the SCOTUS for approval. Indeed, the SCOTUS purpose is just that, to determine the Constitutional meaning of NBC. I have said before, and continue to do so, that a SCOTUS decision on NBC would have been best for the United States 3 years ago. Yet the SCOTUS "AVOIDS" eligibility decisions.

    The question isn't if the SCOTUS could, or even should, make an eligibility decision, as it is their JOB. The question is WHY they are avoiding the issue? The answer is actually very simple, and is understood by any logical person. Obama, by ANY legal opinion, will not politically SURVIVE discovery as it pertains to NBC. The proof: the entire OBAMA legal premise has been to AVOID discovery, not to argue that the 14th Amendment granted him NBC status.

    The question of "State laws", the plays made by Obots, the dis-information, the 'it isn't written into state laws' don't change the simple fact that DISCOVERY (simple gathering of facts) has been wholesale denied by a corrupt government and judicial system for the obvious reasons. Therefore, we are no longer a country of laws, we have become a lawless nation. The monster will devour those whom have spawned it, as it has in every country wherein a Constitutional has been ignored, as those very laws protect people whom subvert them here.

    The term Natural Born Citizen, as understood by the Founding Fathers, meant a un-conflicted birth on native soil. Natural Born Citizens could claim only one country at birth, and only one country had logical claim on them. The 14th Amendment did not change this criteria, nor any law in the Constitution since it's inception.

    Obama fails NBC because HE HIMSELF has claimed that he was a British Subject at birth and remained so into adulthood. He consented to British Citizenship and Kenyan Citizenship, embraced it for that matter into adulthood. The SCOTUS would be forced to rule against him for this alone, as they have said that a person cannot claim NBC, and switch country of preference at will. Yet, as corrupt as things have become, I can forsee them 'overlooking' his past claims and ruling otherwise. However, hearing the case would require DISCOVERY. Obama can't allow discovery, he will not survive nor will the Democratic Party.

    Pete

  74. Frankly I think the WHI sounds like a nutcase more each time he gives his “offerings”. If anything it’s the Repubs who demonstrate that there is still freedom to think and weigh qualities of human beings (for that’s what they come down to) while the othertside for whom this guy allegedly has sold himself are so terrorized by each other than not one of them dares to step out of the mandated group think…or else. Their lemming media are scared to death of each other so no one dares offer an individual thought that might be considered out of line with the propaganda line that’s already written for them and they just readily comply. They all should be ashamed. What he calls chaos is really the exercise of freedom while it lasts. And people are usually the better for it or else they become slaves to an ideology that gradually eats them. That’s the way you learn and maybe even change your original ideas about things. He always acts like he’s scared of Obama and his controllers and what they’ll do yet he too must be too terrorized to get out of it or he’d REALLY tell the world in order to “save” it. This guy has such a lack of “vocabulary” you have to wonder just what his “insider” position could possibly be.

  75. Pete
    Please see my response concerning that being a rhetorical question. I am well aware of what a “natural born citizen” should be.
    You’re preaching to the choir here.

  76. The only major news organization covering this significant event by our veterans is from Russia. What else could the American media not be showing you? Americans, it is not your fault, but you are living in the Truman Show.

    Troops March on White House for Ron Paul

  77. From a Marine Veteran…..I think some here may suffer from this…..

    Why More People Can Not Understand Ron Paul? It’s Called Cognitive Dissonance – 02/15/12

  78. The truth shall set us free……WAKE UP AMERICA…….Don’t let the MEDIA WHORES elect our next PREZ……

    Ron Paul: robbed by mainstream media
    Agenda driven big wigs protect the status quo by silencing third party voice

    By Jenn Schanz

    Published: Monday, February 20, 2012

    http://www.depauliaonline.com/opinions/ron-paul-robbed-by-mainstream-media-1.2786676#.T0MZHnkgyNt

  79. AZGO…………….
    White was removed,and a LIBERAL Democrat took his place. Now you KNOW why the OBOTS pushed the case. They wanted the Republican SOS gone. Really there are no specific laws that say where a SOS must reside. This was all BULLSHI#. But the judge is a LIBERAL DEMOCRAT.

  80. Obama Announces 2012 Launch Of “African-Americans For Obama”Today, we’re announcing the 2012 launch of African Americans for Obama.

    There’s no better time than African American History Month to consider the tremendous progress we’ve made through the sacrifice of so many—or a better time to commit to meeting the very real challenges we face right now.

    Visit africanamericans.barackobama.com for more information about all the ways you can get involved—from attending HBCU organizing workshops to becoming a Congregation Captain—and say you’re ready to keep making history. Thanks, and see you out there.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/02/02/obama_announces_2012_launch_of_african-americans_for_obama.html

  81. Coldwarvet…………….
    Now you know how I feel when JBJD shows and goes into one of his/her spiels relating to the law. At this point in time it is a useless pursuit which is irritating a few people on the blog. Understand though that I am in no way being offensive toward JBJD. As I stated in an earlier comment when the way is again open to fair adjudication then such RECITALS of law might well be of significant help. Until the path is opened reciting law is a USELESS practice. Do you see what I have just said as OFFENSIVE TO anyone specifically? I have cited only what was said NOT THE PERSON. So this cannot be taken as an offense.

  82. Pete…………….Ref 9:39 PM.
    Thanks big time for laying out the clarification. There are still many millions of Americans who havn’t the slightest idea about what is going on within our (alleged) government. You done a beautiful job. I couldn’t have said it any better. This is also why it is almost imperative that what is going on is reduced to laymans terms so that the average Joe can understand what is said. Then it must be repeated over,and over in as many public media that will publish it. It screams to be kept under the noses of those who don’t really give a damn as well. The baby boomers, and the blackpeople are Soetoro’s biggest cross section of supporters. (the YUPPIE) crowd.

  83. OT but important………….
    I was really saddened to see and hear Babeau himself state publically that he is a HOMOSEXUAL. As such he has chosen to pursue a law enforcement career. This saddens me even more. As an Officer of the law he IS aware of the IMPLICATIONS of his practice. I personally believe that he should resign forthwith. His chosen life style contradicts all facets of law enforcement. Law officers who are,or are otherwise practicing homosexuals should not pursue a career in law enforcement.

  84. G’NITE all from my DIRTY LITTLE TRAILER,in slime city.

  85. Interested Bystander

    coldwarvet commented:

    “let the “games” commence……smile”

    But it’s NOT a game.

    Just for the record, to me this is SERIOUS, and NOT a game. Lawyers have made it a game, and the one upmanship that goes on in the law area is just ridiculous, it makes them lots and lots of money though, so there isn’t a deterrent.

    coldwarvet continues:

    “Where, in the Constitution itself, does it give a definition of the term ” natural born citizen”?”

    THAT is my whole point, you suggested earlier that it was an “insufficiency” in the Constitution when I believe that there is NOT any “insufficiency”, because the Founders put in place the branch that interprets the Constitution.

    And I don’t think we should have to drag this out for years. This case should go DIRECTLY to the SC, and a decision should be within a week, and it should have happened BEFORE the election in 2008, but I agree with Pete who stated that the ONLY reason the SC won’t hear ANY of these cases is because Obama is already “President”.

    So they are COWARDS.

    So the Supreme Court will hear a case on “free speech” about a man who dresses up as a military man, when he really isn’t, but won’t hear a case of NATIONAL importance.

  86. Interested Bystander

    How rude of me,

    I first should have commented Good Morning all.

    If I may real quick, there’s something else that really “gets my goat”:

    And it’s when people claim the Government needs to be run like a business.

    No it shouldn’t, it should be run as a GOVERNMENT, which ISN’T out to make a profit.

    It also “wrinkles my feathers” when people “claim” we live in a Democracy.

    We don’t, the Founders set up a REPUBLIC. A Representative Republic guided by a Constitution.

    But I would bet you a year’s salary that I could go in to the High School that I graduated from some 33 years ago, and ask a History teacher what form of Government we live under, and he/she would answer a Democracy.

    It REALLY is sad the indoctrination going on in our Country.

  87. Interested Bystander

    Hey All,

    I know I’m a day late with this, but did anyone see this yesterday?

    Great video:

  88. Interested Bystander

    Embedded video made my 7:09 comment go to moderation.

    It is one minute well spent, in my opinion.

  89. Courtesy of American Thinker; Obama out of the closet racist…

  90. Good Morning I.B.,

    - and all -

  91. I.B.,

    Yes, that is a great video.

  92. Good Morning CW et. al.!

  93. Good morning William, Zach, et al.

  94. Cabby – AZ | February 20, 2012 at 9:22 pm |
    Thanks for your response. I had been trying to catch up on several threads and I didn’t mean to imply the bickering was this thread with discussions about the judicial system and role of natural born citizen, etc.
    It just seemed like on previous threads there was so much negativity regarding the candidates. I like the fact that people post the ideas presented by the candidate they support as it might be something that would change my views of their candidate. But I can read all of the negative facts (whether real or not) on other blogs or news websites. I want to learn something positive about how their candidate can win over BHO – not how they can knock out another candidate to get there. I am just so tired of lies on both sides.
    I guess I should not have posted what I did – I was just so frustrated with what is happening to our country and needed to vent. I am sorry for being accusatory to those here at CW who, like you said, most are tolerant in their posts with respect to the candidates themselves. And I agree with you that is what Insider was referring to.

  95. I’m still wondering how Obama went to Pakistan in 1981 at the age of 20. Did he use a British passport? There was a no fly zone enforced so no US citizen could go there at that time. The subject was brought up in 2009 but I didn’t hear anymore about it.

  96. Dear Jonah (and all that have discussed this):

    Please take it up with the HDOH, not me. I asked them for the seal Jonah says exists, they say they don’t have it.

    That is not my fault and I am not misinterpreting anything. I provided them the Factcheck.org photos. They reviewed them and say they don’t have that seal. Sorry. It’s nothing personal.

    They have two embossed seals…but they do not have the seal in the factcheck.org org photos. Again, take it up with them. That isn’t my fault. Are you suggesting they disclosed the seal and I have withheld it or something? Because that did not happen and I am withholding NOTHING.

    I invite you all to request the debossed seal yourselves. Send the HDOH the factcheck.org photos and ask them yourselves.

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