Stuart Levine sentenced to 5 1/2 years in prison, Rezko Blagojevich Obama crony, Levine involved in massive corruption and drug use, Levine activity leads to Obama

Stuart Levine sentenced to 5 1/2 years in prison, Rezko Blagojevich Obama crony, Levine involved in massive corruption and drug use, Levine activity leads to Obama

“Why did the Illinois Senate Health & Human Services Committee, with Obama as chairman, create and push Bill 1332, “Illinois Health Facilities Planning Act,” early in 2003, which reduced the number of members on the Board from 15 to 9, just prior to rigging by Tony Rezko and Rod Blagojevich?”…Citizen Wells

“Thomas said Rezko floated the names of several people to sit on the Illinois Health Facilities Planning Board, which the government claims Rezko corrupted with the help of board member Stuart Levine. And Thomas said Rezko at one point made it clear that he wanted to see Levine reappointed to the panel, which was being overhauled by the governor in 2003.”…Rezko trial March 11, 2008

“Why did Patrick Fitzgerald and the US Justice Department wait until December 2008 to arrest Rod Blagojevich?”…Citizen Wells

“At Rod Blagojevich’s December sentencing Assistant U.S. Attorney Reid Schar called Levine one of the most significant cooperators the Dirksen Federal Courthouse had ever seen.”…Natasha Korecki, Chicago SunTimes

From the Chicago Tribune July 20, 2012.

“Stuart Levine stood before a federal judge Thursday in an ill-fitting suit eight years after FBI agents knocked on his door with news that they had undercover recordings and other evidence of his massive criminal scheming with top Illinois officials.

His day of reckoning had finally come. Swinging in the balance was the chance for a significantly reduced 51/2-year prison sentence that his attorney and prosecutors had agreed on after his extensive cooperation helped unravel the corrupt Blagojevich administration.

U.S. District Judge Amy J. St. Eve was left to reconcile how the former Republican fundraiser became one of the most significant government informants in Chicago’s sordid history of public corruption in part because he was also one of the most corrupt political insiders the city has known.

“You defrauded the good people of the state of Illinois. You stole from close friends. You stole from charities. The havoc that you wreaked is certainly substantial,” St. Eve declared. “You were certainly one of the most corrupt individuals this district has ever seen.”

Yet minutes later the judge imposed the 51/2-year prison term on Levine, saying she was convinced that he was not the same arrogant and egotistical defendant she met four years ago when he testified in her courtroom.

“I have thought long and hard,” she said. “And I don’t grant it lightly.”

Of the cast of characters to emerge in the government’s eight-year federal investigation, Levine was among the most infamous because of the sordid details that came out about his personal life.

Before his arrest, Levine appeared to the public to be a successful businessman living in a North Shore mansion who served on the boards of charities and key state agencies.

But behind the scenes he was using the access and influence he had amassed to steal from a long list of victims. He teamed up in kickback schemes with some of former Gov. Rod Blagojevich’s top advisers, squeezing millions of dollars from people seeking to do business with the state. And he stole $2 million from the estate of a close friend.

The total take in his illegal schemes would have been more than $20 million if he had gotten away with them.

And all the while, Levine also was living a secret life fueled by the abuse of cocaine and other narcotics. He hosted 24-hour drug binges at the former Purple Hotel in Lincolnwood.

Levine, who pleaded guilty in 2006 to one count each of mail fraud and money laundering, testified about it all at the trials of Blagojevich adviser Antoin “Tony” Rezko and Springfield power broker William Cellini. As a government witness, he explained to juries how pay-to-play worked in Illinois.

On Wednesday, prosecutors called Levine’s testimony essential to securing convictions not only on Rezko and Cellini but also on former Chicago Ald. Edward Vrdolyak; Dr. Robert Weinstein, Levine’s longtime business partner; and the biggest catch of all — Blagojevich.

“All of these people could not have been convicted” without Levine’s assistance, Assistant U.S. Attorney Christopher Niewoehner assured the judge. “It is really a hall of fame of public corruption.”

Niewoehner argued for leniency also because it could send a strong message that “honorable” cooperation can pay off.

“There will come a day when another Stuart Levine is confronted by the FBI,” he said.

His sentencing Thursday marked the first time that Levine publicly addressed his extensive crimes in his own words and not in answer to questions from prosecutors. In brief remarks he expressed regret and remorse to the people of Illinois, to the various boards and charities he served on and to the friends he hurt.

He broke down when he addressed his adult children, who have stood by him.

“I deeply regret the crisis and difficulty I caused my own dear children,” he said. “I thank them for their continued love, which has sustained me.”

In the eight years since he was arrested, Levine has traded the North Shore mansion for a small apartment. He has had to borrow money for groceries and hit three-for-one sales for suits.

His wife served him with divorce papers during the Rezko trial. While he was cooperating with the government, a threat was made against Levine, forcing federal authorities to investigate. Levine also contemplated suicide.

In arguing for leniency, Levine’s attorney, Jeffrey Steinback, pointed to all those consequences. He also pledged that his client has embraced a new life.

“He prays every day,” Steinback said. “Nor for leniency but for forgiveness and redemption and the ability to be compassionate and think of others first.”

Levine is scheduled to surrender to prison Sept. 27.”

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-met-stuart-levine-sentencing-0720-20120720,0,2034921.story

From above:

“and the biggest catch of all — Blagojevich.”

That is incorrect.

The biggest catch is Barack Obama.

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64 responses to “Stuart Levine sentenced to 5 1/2 years in prison, Rezko Blagojevich Obama crony, Levine involved in massive corruption and drug use, Levine activity leads to Obama

  1. Spiritual Guardian Angel Of God

    POSTMAN: AYERS FAMILY TOLD HIM THEY ARE HELPING TO PUT A FOREIGNER – WHO IS A FOREIGN STUDENT – WHO IS USING THE [100% ILLEGAL IDENTITY & THE 100% ILLEGAL NAME OF] BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA II – IN THE USA THROUGH SCHOOL

    “Over a period of years in the late 1980s and early 1990s, Hulton estimates he spoke with Mary Ayers about 18 to 20 times and once to Tom Ayers, who died in 2007. Mary Ayers died in 2000.

    “Sometimes Mary would be out when I delivered the mail, and we would exchange a few words on occasion,” he says, recalling that she liked to talk about her family.

    “One day, Mary came to the door when I came up to the house with the mail,” he remembers. “After a greeting, she started enthusiastically talking to me about this young black student they were helping out, and she referred to him as a foreign student.”

    Hulton assumed that by “helping” the student, Mary Ayers meant she and her husband were financially supporting the black foreign-exchange student with his education.”

    Continue Reading This Article Here:

    http://www.wnd.com/2012/03/postman-ayers-family-put-foreigner-obama-through-school/

  2. bob strauss

    Good morning, found this on Drudge,
    http://www.drudgereport.com/
    *******************

    Obama punching bag causes stir at Indiana fair

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0712/78735.html#ixzz21AZVVcEM

  3. March 22, 2012

    “Mark Gillar Show”

    “Meet The Ayers’ Mailman Who Met Obama at Their House”

    “Meet Allen Hulton the mailman who delivered mail to the home of Tom and Mary Ayers a.k.a. Bill Ayer’s parents and actually met a young Barack Obama in front of their home.”

    Also on show is Linda Bentley, a reporter with the Sonoran News.

    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/markgillar/2012/03/22/meet-the-ayers-mailman-who-met-obama-at-their-house

  4. Bob Strauss…………….
    I would think that Soetoro’s face on a punching bag is quite appropriate, We need a million more of them in every state,and placed in conspicous places,so that people can vent their hostilities without hurting anyone except perhaps themselves. Great idea!

  5. Audio Revealed: U.S. Congress Rep. Posey Spokesman: Media Ridicule Stopping Us From Addressing Obama’s Identity Fraud | by Al Hendershot | @ BirtherReport.com

  6. Bob Strauss…………
    I am sick at heart about what happened at Aurora Colorado. I wonder if he would have shot all of those people if he would have had a PUNCHING BAG WITH SOETORO’S FACE PAINTED ON IT.

  7. Link to above article.

    Treason: Shame on the Media; Shame on the Media; Shame on the Media; Turn Them Off

    http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/

  8. Bob Strauss
    I second that! They are really quick to cover such stuff at Aurora,but HIDE everything relating to TREASON BY the POTUS. So I guess at least where Aurora is concerned the media have done the right thing. Watch closely because I suspect that Soetoro will try to make political hay from the deaths of all 12 people.

  9. Bob Strauss……….
    One of our regular commentors lives in Colorado, but I don’t remember who it is. I would imagine that he is feeling pretty bad at the moment. When I heard the news ,I immediately asked if the shooter was screaming “Allah Akbar,as he fired his weapons.

  10. oldsalt79 | July 20, 2012 at 10:16 am |

    Bob Strauss…………
    I am sick at heart about what happened at Aurora Colorado. I wonder if he would have shot all of those people if he would have had a PUNCHING BAG WITH SOETORO’S FACE PAINTED ON IT.
    ***************************
    oldsalt79, Everybody needs to release tension, punching bags can be very therapeutic. I would enjoy one of those.

    I wouldn’t put it past this usurper to have ordered the shooting in Colorado as part of his plan to continue Fast and Furious, and gun bans in the USA.

    The killing of judge Roll was more than coincidence. The usurper knows is only hope of control is to disarm Americans, so they can be led to slaughter, and this criminal has shown he will do anything. Look at what he did in Kenya when he campaigned for his cousin Raila Odinga, and remember, he was speaking to a Muslim crowd.

  11. Comment at ORYR:

    http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2012/07/investigator-mike-zullo-and-mara-zebest.html?showComment=1342758964471#c6750591905926924861

    “The media silence on this is absolutely deafening. Even all those bloviating “warriors” like Rush, O’Reilly, Hannity, Coulter, Malkin etc — not a peep.

    I guess keeping their jobs and selling their books is more important than defending the truth. How sad.”
    ==========
    “Mark Levin: Obama Not Qualified; I Don’t Mean Constitutionally; I’ll Leave That To The Goofballs”

    http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2011/08/mark-levin-obama-not-qualified-i-dont.html

    8/23/2011

  12. I would certainly agree that the BIGGEST CATCH is Soetoro, and I would further suggest if I may that the end would certainly justify the means. I would suggest that somewhere out ther there is a very disheveled LIBERAL who has learned the truth the HARD WAY,and is now looking for a punching bag with Soetoro’s face painted on it.

  13. Interested Bystander

    oldsalt,

    Paxson lives in Colorado.

  14. Interested Bystander

    Hey All,

    I may make my way up to Muncie and ask where the punching bag is.

    It’s got to be somewhere, I’m sure they didn’t burn it or anything, because THAT would be a bigger “story”.

  15. Interested Bystander

    And I heard that Obama was going to “comment” on the tragedy in Colorado.

    Didn’t he learn to keep his trap shut after his Trayvon Martin comments or the criticism of that Mass police department?

    What an idiot.

  16. Interested Bystander

    Hey All and Good Morning,

    Maybe Obama can have the shooter over for some beers and find out why he’s a “troubled soul”.

  17. Interested Bystander

    Hey All,

    Maybe Obama will say something like:

    “This guy didn’t make himself, somebody along the way, a teacher or community organiser MADE him that way”

  18. Interested Bystander

    Hey All,

    I’d like to know for what purpose someone in the general public would need tear gas?

    And how do I go about getting me some? (Just kidding)

  19. Figured the regime would use this mass shooting for their own purposes:

    ‘Dark Knight’ Shooting To Be Exploited For Political Grist

    Second amendment, ‘conspiracy theorists’ to be blamed for incident

    Paul Joseph Watson
    Infowars.com
    Friday, July 20, 2012

    UPDATE: Dark Knight Massacre To Pass UN Gun Ban?

    Within hours of the tragic shooting in Aurora, Colorado at a screening of the new Batman movie, the political machine is already gearing up to exploit the incident as a tool to demonize the second amendment and characterize Americans who are against big government as extremists.
    —————————————
    The Western Center for Journalism

    On July 27th, Barack Hussein Obama Intends To Sign A United Nations Treaty That Will “Legislate Gun Control In The United States” Through The Backdoor Via The United Nations “And Effectively Repeal Our Second Amendment.”

    No, your eyes are not playing tricks on you. Those are the words of Dick Morris, the threat to your liberties is real and imminent, and Morris is not alone. Chris Cox, the executive director of the NRA’s Institute for Legislative Action (NRA-ILA), is sounding the alarm as well:

    “Representatives from many of the world’s socialist, tyrannical and dictatorial regimes [are gathering] at the United Nations headquarters in New York for a month-long meeting, in which they’ll put the finishing touches on an international Arms Trade Treaty that could seriously restrict your freedom to own, purchase and carry a firearm.”

    It’s happening right now… at this very moment. The member states and thugocracies of the United Nations have been meeting, behind closed doors with Hillary Clinton, since July 2nd to hammer out the final details on their so-called Arms Trade Treaty (ATT) and Barack Obama, HAS VOWED to sign it on July 27th.

  20. Interested Bystander

    Hey All,

    How in the heck does the Department of Homeland Security (or the FBI (DoJ) or the Transportation Department) ALLOW an illegal to open a business that trains other illegals how to fly planes?

    Do these people not remember what happened back in 2001?

    Do you understand why I want the Department shut down?

    It’s just an EXCUSE to spend OUR money and to employ people who when they retire get a big fat pension, also using OUR money.

    It REALLY ticks me off that someone I pay, will have a better retirement than I will. Except for those who choose to make a career out of the military, those folks should have a good pension.

  21. i george, cabby – AZ, and SueQ: Thank you for the encouraging and supportive words yesterday. Sometimes life is just confusing. I think it is for all of us right now.

    WND has an article today showing Obama wearing a wedding ring throughout his college years–before he knew Michelle. The question then is, was he married before?

    Today’s date in the Bible Code in certain passages comes up in close proximity with Biden possibly becoming President 45. I could be a fluke of some kind. As for the Code itself, do I believe in it? It seems to me there is something to it or I wouldn’t have spent so much time exploring it. But as to how it can be read in advance of something happening, the results have not been very good. The best result I’ve had was finding in advance Bush President 43 whereas Gore did not show. Quantitatively, in terms of “finds” and odds for percentages of probability, Romney comes up more often as President 46 and Biden as President 45. But though the odds are small, they could still be at random.

  22. Interested Bystander

    Hey All,

    No offense Observer, and I know that you are only copying a story but….

    I don’t need Dick Morris to tell me the 2nd Amendment will be repealed if this Treaty is signed by Obama.

    Has the Senate voted on this?

    I thought Morris said something like Obama was going to sign it and unti the Senate votes otherwise, the Treaty would be valid.

    I thought the Constitution stated that the Senate approves ALL Treaties.

    Oh wait, I still honor and understand the Constitution.

    Those puppets in Washington use our Constitution to wash their armpits.

  23. I live in Denver and my kids know some of the injured. I almost gagged that Obama had the nerve to lead us in prayer.

  24. IB (10:59am),
    DHS is under the complete control of Obama, according to good sources. (Behavior certainly bears that out) FBI? It is under the DOJ, and we all
    know who ultimately controls that. So……..it is not hard to see that the
    tentacles of the “octopus” dictatorship are fast surrounding every area of government.

  25. KUHNER: ARPAIO PROBE COULD DWARF WATERGATE
    (excerpt)
    The president is a brazen opportunist; a political hustler who mastered his craft on the streets of Chicago. When it suited his interests to come across as a cosmopolitan, multicultural liberal, Mr. Obama pushed a Kenyan persona. When it was no longer politically expedient, he abandoned it. Yet, Mr. Obama cannot escape a fundamental dilemma: He either lied then or he is lying now. He was either born in Kenya (as he claimed during the 1990s and part of the 2000s) or he wasn’t (as he has insisted since 2007). Both cannot be true.

    Read more: http://times247.com/articles/82kuhner-arpaio-probe-could-be-bigger-than-watergate6#ixzz21AvwZgnL

  26. Interested Bystander

    Dean M commented:

    “The question then is, was he married before?”

    Someone responded to this question on the last thread, and my spouse said the same thing to me when I showed her the article and pictures,

    It’s to keep WOMEN away.

    Oh he was married alright, to Juan or whoever his “roommate” (and I mean “roommate”).

    He looks like a flaming homo in every one of his college days pictures, as does everyone else in the pictures, and the body language sets off my gaydar.

  27. Dean M. | July 20, 2012 at 11:05 am —

    “WND has an article today showing Obama wearing a wedding ring throughout his college years–before he knew Michelle. The question then is, was he married before?”
    ==========
    Go to:

    http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2012/07/19/july-2012-obama-birth-certificate-fraud-trump-challenge-college-records-hidden-social-security-number-stolen-story-of-century-ignored-or-misrepresented/#comment-243220

  28. Interested Bystander

    Hey All,

    I heard Wilkow (just spell it right) this morning on my way home say this:

    Isn’t it amazing that the Government regulates everything people put in their mouths, and regulates NOTHING that people put up their butts?

  29. Dean M. | July 20, 2012 at 11:05 am |
    WND has an article today showing Obama wearing a wedding ring throughout his college years–before he knew Michelle. The question then is, was he married before?
    ********************************
    This morning I read a good comment on another blog. Why was he wearing a wedding ring during those years? “To keep women away.”
    That makes more sense to me than that he was married. After all, there is strong suspicion that he was not “straight’ even then.

  30. Pentagon gets ‘gayer’ than ever
    For 1st time, uniformed troops given green light to march in ‘pride’ parade

    http://www.wnd.com/2012/07/pentagon-gets-gayer-than-ever/print/

  31. Bob Strauss………….
    I did hear on the news that Soetoro cancelled all of his so called meetings atthe WH. So I would think that there might be something to the notion that Soetoro might have ORDERED the MASSACRE so that he could pretend to be so affected by the news. YEAH SURE, and UP is DOWN!.

  32. Interested Bystander

    Katie,

    My heart goes out to all of the victims of this tragedy.

    I hope your children’s friends recover.

    It’s ridiculous that our Country has evolved in to what it is today.

  33. Interested Bystander

    oldsalt commented:

    “I did hear on the news that Soetoro cancelled all of his so called meetings at the WH.”

    He probably had a meeting scheduled with his “Jobs Committee” and didn’t want to hear what they had to say.

    He’ll probably be on the golf course this afternoon.

  34. Killer’s apt. was booby trapped as he said.
    ———————————–
    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/07/colorado-shooter-leftwing-anti-flag/

    COLORADO KILLER – Possible Democrat – Was a “Quiet & Easygoing” Former Medical Student – EMAIL
    Posted by Jim Hoft on Friday, July 20, 2012, 9:33 AM

    The Colorado Shooter is a possible registered Democrat.

    Despite this: Rush Limbaugh, the Tea Party and guns have already been blamed for the massacre.

    The University of Colorado Medical School says shooting suspect was student there but withdrew last month. Suspect James Holmes described himself on a rental application
    as a ‘quiet and easygoing’ medical student.

    There is an email account listed at the University of Colorado for Doctoral Student James Holmes.

  35. Interested Bystander

    Hey All,

    I found this on another blog and thought I’d sahre it with you here:

    A little humor never hurts:

    A woman was playing golf when she took a big swing and fell.

    The party waiting behind her was a group from the White House that included Obama.

    Obama quickly stepped forward and helped her to her feet.

    She thanked him and started to leave, when he said, “I’m President Obama
    and I hope you’ll vote for me this November.”

    She laughed and quickly said, “I fell on my ass, not my head!”

  36. Observer……………..
    We live in a queer world don’t we ? It is getting QUEERER all the time. My Webster Collegiate defines homosexuals as SEXUAL DEVIATES. (NOT GAYS,) and DEVIATE is defined as PERVERT. So I would guess that any of the above definitions can be used to define such MENTALLY INFECTED people.

  37. Idiot:
    Bloomberg Urges Obama, Romney, on Gun Control in Wake of Aurora Shooting

    Read more on Newsmax.com: Bloomberg Urges Obama, Romney, on Gun Control in Wake of Aurora Shooting
    —————————————
    Listening to the details given from Aurora Medical Center. Amazing how quickly the various types of expert surgeons, of all types, anesthesiologists,etc., were called in and were there for immediate treatment. No fatalities (5 in critical condition) there as yet.

    It made me wonder if this kind of response with such high quality conditions and doctors available for something like this would or will be the case under Obama”care”. How would the appointed bureaucratic panel from afar give the orders before anyone could make a move….and….just how many of these expert surgeons would still even be in the system?? How many more fatalities would there be under this kind of bankrupt bureaucratic chaotic system??

  38. bob strauss | July 20, 2012 at 9:38 am |
    Obama punching bag causes stir at Indiana fair
    Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0712/78735.html#ixzz21AZVVcEM
    ===============================================
    New Barack Obama Bop Inflatable Punching Bag Toy Fun Gag Gift 54″ TALL ~ STRESS

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/280905530242?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:VRI&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2661

  39. Bob Strauss……….
    Based upon what Observer has said maybe you are on to something when you offerred the thought regarding the possibility that Soetoro might have ORDERED the movie thing in another of his NITWITTED attempts to make himself look good, by showing emotion in cancelling all of his schedule for the day. Hell ,now he can go out to the golf course and do 36 holes. That ought to get him back just in time for the evening meal (at taxpayer’s expense). By tomorrow he will have forgotten the entire incident, and will be busy planning his next little ATTENTION GETTER. Perhaps it will involve the DEATHS of a THOUSAND people this time. I personally haven’t yet forgotten the deaths of the members of Seal Team 6. Sadly this couldn’t have happened without the FULL KNOWLEDGE of,and COMPLICITY of certain UPPER ECHELON BRASS.

  40. While I could be WRONG,I do suspect that the ENTIRE BIN LADEN THING was a staged event,and the Seal team was taken out to keep them from ever telling the truth about it. I hasten to reiterate that I could be wrong. Yet given what they had allegedly accomplished it would have been complete utter stupidity,and otherwise criminally negligent for any officer to have allowed ALL of them to travel in ONE chopper. I am STRONGLY suspicious of this entire matter. In the Korean war we were involved with the UDT (Underwater Demolition Teams) as they were called then. Today along with a greatly expanded mission they are known as the Seals. In those days it was the UDT who trained some of us on how to get an injured pilot out of a FAST sinking ditched aircraft. You MUST know exactly what you are doing. AD1 was the aircraft most often ditched. It had an engine (R-1900) which by itself weighed over 2000 lbs. (27 cylinder) 3 row radial engine. Takes the aircraft down quickly.

  41. It is about as extreme as it gets for a POTUS to tell American entrepreneurs,that their businesses were built by SOMEBODY else’s efforts. Such a statement comes from a person who has to be in possession of a totally MANGLED BRAIN,if he /she possesses a brain AT ALL. If he is capable of UTTERING That sort of reasoning, then what other sort of insanity is he contemplating? No…….it wouldn’t surprise me at all if someday we learn that the Aurora incident,as well as the alleged BIN LADEN TAKEOUT was a FIGMENT of SOETORO’S DEVIATE MIND,which was carried out by the upper echelon brass,in a vain attempt to make SOETORO LOOK GREAT…… SOME people are fooled ALL the time,……. SOME people are fooled SOME of the time,and a FEW ARE NEVER FOOLED……..ANYTIME, and it will be the latter who trip the lever which opens the trap door of the GALLOWS. Such was the case at Nuerenberg.

  42. As I scroll through all the expected negative commenting going on throughout the blogosphere this morning concerning the tragedy in Colorado, I notice comments, as expected, have turned vehemently political.
    As with each of these unfortunate events, there is endless reasoning released in the effort to preclude its ever happening again. At the end of the day usually, it comes down to the unavoidable conclusion that, at the outset of the event, that time when the individual concocted the thought that would lead to such a horrendous conclusion, the tools, or in this case the weapons and associated devices, were merely inanimate objects perhaps lying in a corner of the perpetrators home. These objects, at that time, only had potential destructive power. This begs the question…what provoked the thinking of this individual to elevate him to such an inconceivable level?
    When one considers the ENTIRE scenario surrounding this incident, it becomes apparent that the setting involved was a movie (media) of such violent content, as were it’s prequels, that it perhaps affected the cognitive processes of the person enough to provide a setting (in his mind anyway) for a crime of such magnitude.
    Let’s entertain the possible fact that the impetus for this senseless violence was provided via the 1st Amendment protected right of Hollywood to continue to flood our society with potentially dangerous psychological material which we continue to consume on a daily basis which conditions us to the point of indifference. Consider also that, in addition to just producing movies, this industry is also exceedingly adept at knowing our general psychological profile enough that they can cause any number of reactions both on the part of the consumer and the audience. The 1st Amendment is not totally free in nature. When it’s application treads on the rights of others, it is regulated by law. i.e….you cannot yell “fire” in a crowded theater. The online and televised trailer for this movie was one of the most violent I have ever seen, as are most of the trailers I have noticed lately.
    In view of the foregoing, I would submit that it is time that we not only consider the 2nd Amendment when we are exposed to this type of violence, but, when considering the source, we should also be taking a critically hard look at the 1st Amendment, and it’s primary benefactor…..Hollywood. If we are to draw a line in the sand, then let it begin there. In conclusion, I would recall a time prior to Hollywod deciding what our moral and ethical lifestyle would be and do not rememberl anywhere near the level of violence we see today. We all had guns then too.

  43. Jonah …………
    I believe that the entrepreneur who dreamed up the punching bag kit should be commended. It couldn’t have arrived in the stores at a better moment. HAR DE HAR. I pray that he sells 330,000,000 of the punching bags. Without being too descriptive I would be remiss if I didn’t suggest that there are many other INFLATABLE gifts which would be specifically appropriate to send to Soetoro. I am SURE he would REALLY ENJOY them! BBBBBAAAAHHHHH………BBAAAAHHHHH!

  44. Coldwarvet……….
    You forgot to mention the “HANGING”, circuit judges which once were riding their circuits. You might be right though …..maybe that is a tiny fragment of our early history which would be best served by being forgotten. Yet they existed…………and some of the criminals MOVED ELSEWHERE BECAUSE THEY EXISTED.. I would think that even some of the criminals leaving are better than none having left at all. But then they would have become the problem of another judge in some other jurisdiction. Could that be the reason why a couple of early US bank robbers decided to go to Argentina? ………the IMPLIED THREAT from MULTIPLE…..HANGING JUDGES.?

  45. All,
    Just read this article by Doug Hagmann in Canada Free Press…Hopefully this is just over the top…but what if it isn’t?? //Michigan-Patriot
    http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/48202
    “Soretoro 2012 Election Contingency”

  46. IB…………
    Just wait for a few days and you will probably be able to BUY a punching bag at your local WALLY WORLD. Then all you have to do is paint the face on it yourself. Seems to me that you could have a whole LIBRARY of DUMB ASS Soetoro facial expressions to choose from to paint on your bag. Just think you would get DOUBLE PLEASURE from the cost of ONE. Be sure to use a good bonding paint though. Then you can KNOCK the LIVING HELL OUT OF THE PUNCHING BAG……at will…….for MANY MOONS, before you will be forced to repaint the face. I should not use the word FORCED, as I would think that each repaint would be a real pleasure.

  47. coldwarvet2

    Oldsat79
    That was a bit before my time…..I was thinking maybe the 50’s…
    My point however, is that, in the name of “entertainment”, we may be creating a progressively and exceedingly more violent and dangerous individual. This one was a medical student, a chemistry expert. Making explosive and other devices would be a rather simple task for him. Here he is caught up in a world of fantasy, providing him his own stage to act out his will or frustrations.
    Somehow, this does not appear to me to be a 2nd Amendment issue. So, once again, we find ourselves within the web of influence of another hostile and complicit media. As if one media (film) creating this incident were not bad enough, we will now be guided by another through a political maze having little to do with the actual circumstances.

  48. coldwarvet2

    …addendum,
    What we are seeing today, I believe, is a perfect storm politically. D.C., the various sin lobbys, and Hollywod are all wrapped up together in this sybiotic commercial relationship which, on a daily basis, continues to exploit virtually all the taboos which ( maintaining the taboos) have provided the glue holding our society together. Sadly, I believe we have not seen the last of this type of crime, but, if we truly want to diminish it, I hope the blame is put in the proper place.

  49. coldwarvet2

    …yet another addendum…
    Normally, I would be against some bottom-feeding, ambulance-chasing attorney getting rich off this one, but somehow, I feel it would be justified here…in a 1st Amendment sort of way. Where are you guys when we really need you? Hollywood has become so flagrant and beyond the pale that, this time, they may have put themselves beyond the protection of their benefactors, the government. If the country could begin to turn from a point such as this, I believe there would indeed be some hope.

  50. Well here we go again. The main stream media now has a terrible tragedy they can milk for at least three or four weeks. My heart and prayers go out to the victims of the shooting in Colorado last night. The only real winner in this situation will be the media.

    There are many things that should be said about this. I hope my comments do not offend. They are said only as lessons learned from past shooting of this nature.

    First, the movie itsel calls into question the violence in our society today, it has scenes blood gore and gut from the first minute. of showing.The audience has a liking for that. One scene has the Joker placing a hand grenade into the mouth of a person and of course the end results are unspeakable, yet the audience loves it.

    We have slowly been conditioned to these horror movies, it didn’t start with Batman. The movie industry has seen there is a big market for violence, so being money oriented, they make each new movie more violent than the last.

    They have hooked our youth on violence. Then through the years reinforced it with more violence. Parents have been partially to blame for this. They permit their children to view such filth, and facilitate their desires.

    Last night at midnight, they showed Batman. In the audience was a 6 year old child. It is not known if that child’s parents were with it or not. That is not the question here. The question is, what was a six year old child doing out at midnight watching all that blood, gore, guts and killing?

    The child should have been home asleep in his/or her bed.

    Then during the movie, a nut case comes along walking calmly up the isles shooting people as they watched the horror unfold on the screen. Many said, “they thought it was part of the movie action”. In reality, the shooter was just acting out the “make believe” the viewers were watching.

    The shooter was a 24 year old Phd student at the University of Colorado. He had just recently presented a paper on the neuroscience disorders. That was his major field of study. Perhaps he felt his actions at the movie were somehow a part of his “research”. It is doubtful if the real reason for his violent rampage will ever be discovered.

    So whom will the media blame for this tragedy? The movies industry? Society? the gun industry? the government? his parents? the university? his teachers? or is the blame squarely on the shoulders of the shooter, and the shooter alone?

    I’m sure in the next few weeks we will see most of these excuses as being the primary cause of this tragedy.

    But today, our president who once said on national television before the 2008 election, “If they bring a knife, we will bring a gun”, has publicly show his remorse. He canceled all his activities for the day. The liberals are planning a field day. The banning of guns is now the talk of Washington. The politicians are all bring out their soapboxes, and mouthwash is being sold by the gallons today in D.C.

    But it really boils down to one thing, and only one thing. It should be said with crystal clarity at this point that, GUNS DO NOT KILL PEOPLE… PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE. There are probably over 20 million guns in the hands of American citizens who know how to handle them in a responsible manner. You can bet the kitchen sink that the “ban guns lobby” will play this incident for all it’s worth.

    Their goal is to take guns away from law abiding citizens in America. When this occurs, only two groups of people will have guns. The CRIMINALS and the GOVERNMENT. The murders will continue, the nut cases will only find other ways to accomplish their wacky missions in life.

    But, the real danger of taking ever citizens gun will be in the power it bestows on the dubious government. The path will then be clear for whatever that government desires to do to us.The outcome for countries that have ban private firearms have not been very good.

    The shining example which should come to everyone’s attention is when Hitler, in 1933, took the German citizens private firearms from them.

    WE ALL KNOW WELL THE ENDING TO THAT STORY.

    There wasn’t just 12 dead and 50 wounded……over 50 million dead and unknown millions wounded was the final count of that tragedy.

  51. FOOD FOR THOUGHT

    “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” John Adams

    “Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters.” Benjamin Franklin

    “The sum of all is, if we would most truly enjoy the gift of Heaven, let us become a virtuous people; then shall we both deserve and enjoy it. While on the other hand, if we are universally vicious and debauched in our manners, though the form of our Constitution carries the face of the most exalted freedom, we shall in reality be the most abject slaves.”
    Samuel Adams

  52. http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_COLORADO_SHOOTING_SCENE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-07-20-09-25-37

    According to the above AP story some mother left her 13 and 14 year-old daughters off at the theater. Thankfully the girls were unhurt, but get this:

    The mother said, “You’d think you’d be able to drop your kid off at the movie theaters, but you can’t.” UNBELIEVABLE ! Dropping 13 and 14 year olds off at a movie like that at MIDNIGHT?

    Folks, we have a deep moral and spiritual problem in this country, if we didn’t already know it before. Another place it refers to a 12 year-old boy, who later
    “freaked out”……. This is HORRIBLE. Seeds of extreme, beyond-the-pale violence are being sown in our young people.

  53. coldwarvet2

    Cabby…
    I have an uneasy feeling that the parents you have referred to will be little changed in the long run by these events. It does, however, reflect the baser problem in this country being either the lack of parenting, or the lack of government support for parenting. I defer to my cynical viewpoint concerning these observations.
    It is going to take something really really horrendous (such as a lawsuit of biblical proportions) against these media entities to turn this society in a productive direction. I believe the tail of the tiger has conveniently appeared however. I hope we grab on and never let go.
    Good post by the way.

  54. Cabby…you said:

    The mother said, “You’d think you’d be able to drop your kid off at the movie theaters, but you can’t.” UNBELIEVABLE ! Dropping 13 and 14 year olds off at a movie like that at MIDNIGHT?

    __________________________________________________________

    It gets worse than that. A 3 MONTH OLD infant was injured in the shooting…now pray tell what kind of parents would have their 3 month old infant at a horror movie at MIDNIGHT?….we are living today in a very sick, sick society.

  55. A perfect storm indeed!…As i’ve said before, as a Nation, we are broke, with diminishing energy, our borders are unprotected and we are about to dangerously defund our military capabilities. All the while we are distancing our allies and propping up our enemies. We are also arming those below our southern borders. According to some in Congress, our government has been infiltrated with radical extremists. This can’t all be coincidence.

    In my spare time, I watch a lot of the congressional hearings on Cspan. I have been consistently aghast at those that are testifying either stonewall, lie or take the 5th.(Eric Holder, Solyndra, MF Global, GSA, to name a few) Each member is allowed only 5 minutes of questioning, and those testifying know the game and perfectly use up the 5 minutes with rambling non-answers. Also, when asked to deliver those answers in writing, it sometimes takes as much as 9 months to a year for a response. Sometimes, they choose to ignore the questions.

    Yestedary, there was a congressional hearing about Homeland Security, with Secretary, Janet Napolitano in the hotseat. It lasted over 2 1/2 hours and the show was stunning to say the least. In my opinion, the Secretary of Homeland Security has decided that she alone will decide which laws she will enforce and those she will ignore. There is something called prosecutorial discretion that apparently gives her (as part of the Executive department) this discretion.

    During the second half of this hearing, several Republican Congressman were visibly angry by her stonewalling and non-answers. One even told her that she will be seeing him in court. She would not answer questions about the gun running operation, the new protocol to “run and hide” when confronted with a shooter, etc. Her ideas on certain immigration laws, visa overstay regulations and monitoring sea vessel cargos from foreign countries are quite “contrary” to existing law.

    I agree with the article posted above re: what is being set in place, particularly by Homeland Security and other agencies under Justice. We are systematically being undermined and set up for very scary times ahead. November cannot come soon enough. I am convinced that Romney will win by a landslide. Although he was not my choice for the candidate, I believe he is a man of honor and decency; and he is an American with our shared values.

    We need Trump, Sununu and Gingrich out in full force…Let the liberals start screaming,”who let the dogs out, who, who?” Expose the fraud, his puppet masters and all their sick intentions. Times a wasting.

  56. WELL IT’S STARTED….

    i just hear a clip on ABC where one of their reporters, Brian Ross, said that the shooter, Holmes, was a member of the Colorado TEA Party…….

    Ross later retracted that statement…but the SEED WAS PLANTED !

  57. coldwarvet2

    RminNc
    …dropping 13 and 14 year olds off alone at midnight for any commercial function is asking for untold limits of trouble.

  58. Honor First…….Good write and you said:

    I am convinced that Romney will win by a landslide. Although he was not my choice for the candidate, I believe he is a man of honor and decency; and he is an American with our shared values.
    ———————————————————————————————–

    I would agree with your statement if we have an HONEST election, but knowing what we already know about Obama, I can assure you, this will be a very dirty election.

    If the Republican’s hope to win this election, they better have sharp eyes at the polls and confirm the counting of every vote…….otherwise

    OBAMA WILL WIN BY A LANDSLIDE

  59. coldwarvet2….

    I agree…that age of a teen is a problem with all of their mixed emotions…….especially if it’s a girl.

  60. RMinNC | July 20, 2012 at 2:54 pm |

    To see just how sick this society is, just spend a few hours observing in a shopping mall or an airport or sitting in a truck stop off a major highway. The sights and scenes are jaw dropping. Sometimes, just to ruffle a few feathers, you can go out of your way staring and ogling. Its obvious they want attention, but when you give it to them, they are readily angered..Go figure.

    We are living in a virtual world where everyone thinks they are in control of their own environment without accountability or repurcussions. People live with no moral or social obligation to anyone but themselves. Pitiful

  61. HONOR FIRST

    Yes sadly, it is now a “ME SOCIETY” as you implied.

    But, as a student of history, it appears all great civilizations have been assigned to the dustbin when they turn into a “ME” society.

    There is still time to turn America around, I just wonder if “WE” will?

  62. Aha. The Blaze has just posted some of the heated congressional hearing with Janet Napolitano that I referred to above. Watch the brief part of the cspan video they have embedded for a glimpse into what I was talking about. Simply stunning!

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/gop-rep-yells-at-janet-napolitano-for-claiming-shes-unaware-of-classified-doc-leak-wh-terror-group-visit/

    Also an interesting interview with Michelle Bachman about the Muslim Brotherhood infiltration our gov’t is here:
    http://www.glennbeck.com/2012/07/19/developing-michele-bachmann-responds-to-attacks-after-she-calls-for-investigation-into-muslim-brotherhood/

  63. Frankly, beyond the shock at parents who would take or permit their children to attend garbage “movies” in this genre, I myself am at a loss as to comprehend why ANYONE is drawn to this junk. People, esp. in the last few decades, appear not to have a clue about the effect upon themselves that such horrific types of stimulation have. Invite it under the human roof and you’ve invited your own soul’s demise. And yes, some are more susceptible than others, but everyone is effected in some way. That’s for sure.

    Look at this specimen of so called “brilliance” of our day….this so well equipped shooter, a young man, graduated with highest honors in a very rigorous disciplinary subject….who chooses to use this “developed” intelligence, in the end, to “play” the “joker” to Batman!!! It’s not just that it’s sick, but it, violent cartoon characters?, reflects a stilted emotional/spiritual maturity fostered as somehow “cute” by our immature culture. Just look at all the sold out theaters to watch such visual expressions of horror. Read the descriptions of any of the scenes in the movie? Pushing the edge they used to say….well, there doesn’t seem to even be an edge any longer. It just seems that there is some accepted basic level of existence now….sorta a survival outlook. People just don’t seem to be able to say NO! We now have “stepped up security” at our movie theaters….for what?…..entertainment for the common man?

    Our current culture, esp. reflected by our so called educators, refuses to place any kind of ethical perimeters….esp. on the youth, but also on the examples of so called adults surrounding them. What is it with people today who actually believe they need to take greater and greater acts of revenge against someone or something they feel has not danced to their personal tunes? Remind you of anyone in particular?

    We have more psychiatric “experts” today than ever in our human history and yet there are more impossible to understand, except by labels, actions taken by human beings with the same gift of free will as those of the past. One “expert” just gave the excuse of the possibility of such a guy, “high functioning”, with a normal childhood, who just suddenly may have a psychotic break with reality. I haven’t heard anyone interviewing those who were in the audience….like even “pastors”…..”why do you come to see stuff like this”??

    Instead how about a time where the evil one/s are more aggressive than ever before because their time is now short. And yet at such a time people open themselves even more to such evil by participating in the very seductions offered. Perhaps that’s why the natural disasters are forcing people to deal with reality and sever them from the sickness of a humanly created culture without God.

  64. Excellent posts, all – Honor First, Observer, RMinNC, ColdWarVet……

    Today so far I’ve been mostly involved with helping my 94 year-old neighbor’s son make arrangements for her care. She broke her arm in two places in a bad fall yesterday and can’t be left alone. Everything has fallen into place, for which we are grateful, so this is the first that I’ve been able to read the above fine comments. Needless to say, the phone has glued to my ear.

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