California mail in provisional and other total over 3 million uncounted, Prop 37 defeated?, Romney votes being counted?, Over half of ballots mailed

California mail in provisional and other total over 3 million uncounted, Prop 37 defeated?, Romney votes being counted?, Over half of ballots mailed

“I’m here to vote because I’m standing on my religious views. I’m a Democrat but I’m voting for Romney because he believes in the same values and morals that I stand on,”...CA voter, KABC News

“The statewide ballot initiative to label genetically engineered food known as Proposition 37 was soundly defeated on election day, by 53 percent to 47 percent.”…Mercury News
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. His heart sank as he thought of the enormous power arrayed against him, the ease with which any Party intellectual would overthrow him in debate, the subtle arguments which he would not be able to understand, much less answer. And yet he was in the right! They were wrong and he was right. The obvious, the silly, and the true had got to be defended. Truisms are true, hold on to that! The solid world exists, its laws do not change. Stones are hard, water is wet, objects unsupported fall towards the earth’s centre. With the feeling that he was speaking to O’Brien, and also that he was setting forth an important axiom, he wrote:

Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.”…George Orwell, “1984”

The great Citizen Wells commenter zachjonesishome provided this update today, November 11, 2012 at 11:00 AM.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2958246/posts DID PROP 37 REALLY LOSE OR WAS IT VOTE FRAUD?
NoMoreFakeNews.com ^ | 11-8-2012 | John Rappaport

Posted on Sunday, November 11, 2012 10:32:18 AM by Renfield

Hold your horses.

On election night, not long after the polls closed in California, the announcement came out: Prop 37 was losing. A little while later, it was all over. 37 had gone down to defeat.

But is that the whole story? No.

As of 2:30PM today, Thursday, November 8th, two days after the election, many votes in California remain uncounted.

I tried to find out how many.

It turns out that the Secretary of State of CA, responsible for elections in the state, doesn’t know.

I was told all counties in California have been asked, not ordered, to report in with those figures. It’s voluntary.

So I picked out a few of the biggest counties and called their voter registrar offices. Here are the boggling results:

Santa Clara County: 180,000 votes remain uncounted.

Orange County: 241,336 votes remain uncounted.

San Diego County: 475,000 votes remain uncounted.

LA County: 782,658 votes remain uncounted.

In just those four counties, 1.6 million votes remain uncounted.

The California Secretary of State’s website indicates that Prop 37 is behind by 559,776 votes.

So in the four counties I looked into, there are roughly three times as many uncounted votes as the margin of Prop 37′s defeat.

And as I say, I checked the numbers in only four counties. There are 54 other counties in the state. Who knows how many votes they still need to process?

So why is anyone saying Prop 37 lost?

People will say, “Well, it’s all about projections. There are experts. They know what they’re doing. They made a prediction…”

Really? Who are those experts? I have yet to find them.

For big elections, the television networks rely on a private consortium called the National Election Pool (NEP). NEP does projections and predictions. Did NEP make the premature call on Prop 37? So far I see no evidence one way or the other.

NEP makes some calls for the television networks, but NEP is composed of CBS, CNN, FOX, NBC, ABC, and AP. It could hardly be called an independent source of information for those networks.

NEP has AP (Associated Press) do the actual vote tabulating, and NEP also contracts work out to Edison Media Research and Mitofsky International to do exit polls and projections based on those polls.

Edison Media Research did the exit polls in the state of Washington for this election. How? They surveyed 1493 people by phone. Based on that, I assume they made all the projections for elections in that state, even though there is no in-person voting in Washington, and voters can submit their ballots by mail, postmarked no later than election Tuesday. So how could Edison know anything worth knowing or projecting on election night?

Both Edison Research and Mitofsky were involved in the 2004 election scandal (Kerry-Bush), in which their exit polls confounded network news anchors, because the poll results were so far off from the incoming vote-counts.

Edison and Mitofsky issued a later report explaining how the disparity could have occurred; they tried to validate their own exit-poll data and the vote-count, which was like explaining a sudden shift in ocean tides by saying clouds covered the moon. It made no sense.

So if NEP did the premature Prop 37 projections that handed 37 a resounding loss, there is little reason to accept their word.

We’re faced with a scandal here. An early unwarranted projection against Prop 37 was made, when so many votes were still uncounted.

Those votes are still uncounted.

Why should we believe anything that comes next?”

This is a snapshot of the vote tally for California taken at approximately 9:00 AM on November 10, 2012.

Obama……..Romney….Johnson.. Stein….. Barr ..Hoefling.. Total

5,863,499   3,816,757   104,350   61,004   39,031     0     9,884,641

The latest Estimated Unprocessed Ballots for November 6, 2012, General Election from California is dated November 9, 2012, 5:00 PM.

Vote by mail:  2,314,609

Provisionals:  922,446

Other:  97,440

Estimated total remaining: 3,334,495

http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/2012-elections/nov-general/pdf/unprocessed-ballots-report.pdf

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90 responses to “California mail in provisional and other total over 3 million uncounted, Prop 37 defeated?, Romney votes being counted?, Over half of ballots mailed

  1. >>>oldsailor80 | November 11, 2012 at 3:46 pm |
    Before I shut down for today here is a thought for what ever it is worth. Regarding the national debt, it is clear that it is already trotally out of control, and will soon crash. In truth all that is needed to FIX the national debt is a formal Congressional Act which renders all DEBT of all kinds LEGALLY ERASED, and considered PAID IN FULL. At this point new money is introduced,and the dollar is retired. At this point we as a country will technically be starting over. I wonder how long it will take for the SCUM OF OUR SOCIETY to run up another credit catastrophe.<<<<

    Oldsalt80,
    You are wise, but you don't know all the history. TWO previous Presidential administrations have attempted to DEFAULT on the Bankers. The first, occurred right after the Civil War when the POTUS felt that Arms dealers and Bankers had cheated the Union. He took measures to punish the bankers and prevent the 'bankrupt' union from paying the loans. Unfortunately, this POTUS died unexpectedly just weeks after announcing this plan. The second POTUS to attempt to Erase the Debt made a public announcement, before I was born, that the United States would switch to a SILVER Standard and completely eliminate the Federal Reserve and Debt. This second POTUS was JFK, but his untimely death in Dallas Texas prevented these measures. I'm sure these events were mere coincidence, but to use the words of FDR "In politics their are no coincidences".

    I can't help but wonder what is more ironic; The Bankers getting attacked by the Unionized government and having the debt erased as well as the Federal Reserve, or Obama suffering like the last two Presidents whom decided to take on the Powerful Federal Reserve. Obama will try to raise taxes with the hope that the increased revenue will prevent the US from defaulting on the interest payments, and he will cut the spending, or he will expose himself to conflict with the Federal Reserve. I doubt Obama or his family will survive the latter.

    Pete

  2. How to Level the playing field from DC CL
    (What ever happened to “Love Your Neighbor”?

    Fire them. If you are an employer, fire anyone who is a liberal, has an Obama sticker on their car, a “Coexist” sticker on their car, etc. Give their job to a conservative. You will be empowering the conservative base with more jobs and removing funding from the liberals. Their are more ways to fight off liberalism, but this is an easy one. I fired 2 liberals on my staff this past week and am actively interviewing for their replacements. And you can bet I will hire people whose politics support my own and that of my company.

    This is a realistic way to actually make a difference. Fire any liberals you have immediately. Make sure that come next election we have a stronger, richer base.

  3. Why have the American people allowed healthcare to be law of land Thought we Wern’t suppose to let the govt get to big for their britches?
    Bill should hav been torn up,majority Did not want it,bribes,some took bribes,back room deals did not read the 3000 page commie bill,and the effect on America Why did not the Republicans do anything,why has this been allowed?No one has any backbone where are real leaders? None
    Congress has their own insurance,No Obamacare for them,Passed when Pelosi was speaker,passed by majority of democrats,Republicans all voted No

  4. Friend went to hospital,can only see dr on call now.Her reg,intern stopped by,but he can not see her there,can’t write prescription,
    It has started,wait till people wake up and find out what has been created for them.
    Those that like dictators,can move out of America.
    Ironic how people moved to America to have freedom,Now it will look like where they cam from

  5. Need to have an IQ of 80 at least to vote

  6. Arron Klein,talk radio,on voter fraud http://www.wnd.com. Article

  7. Is this what Obama meant by revenge,watch out,not good
    http://www.wnd.com. Pass this everywhere

  8. Articles on seceding from the union http://www.commieblaster.com
    Picking up steam

  9. Obama Likely Won Re-Election Through Election Fraud
    Excerpt Via Rachel Alexander @ Townhall

    According to the Columbus Dispatch, one out of every five registered voters in Ohio is ineligible to vote. In at least two counties in Ohio, the number of registered voters exceeded the number of eligible adults who are of voting age. In northwestern Ohio’s Wood County, there are 109 registered voters for every 100 people eligible to vote. An additional 31 of Ohio’s 88 counties have voter registration rates over 90%, which most voting experts regard as suspicious. Obama miraculously won 100% of the vote in 21 districts in Cleveland, and received over 99% of the vote where GOP inspectors were illegally removed.

    The inflated numbers can’t just reflect voters who have moved, because the average voting registration level nationwide is only 70%. The vast majority of voters over the 70% level are not voting because they want to, they are voting because someone is getting them to cast a vote, one way or another. Those 31 counties are most likely the largest counties in Ohio, representing a majority of Ohio voters. This means the number of votes cast above the 70% typical voter registration level easily tops 100,000, the margin Obama won Ohio by.

    CONTINUED HERE: http://townhall.com/columnists/rachelalexander/2012/11/11/obama_likely_won_reelection_through_election_fraud

  10. “THE COMING BOEHNER DEBT SELLOUT”

    “House Speaker John Boehner, who has twice capitulated to raising the debt limit under Barack Obama’s presidency is not only about to do it again, this time he has raised the white flag of surrender before the bargaining has even begun, say members of his own caucus.

    It’s not just House Republicans and conservative pundits who see it. Even Obama’s closest advisers see a clear field to dictating the terms of continued borrowing and spending for the next four years.

    Less than 24 hours after the election, Boehner held a conference call with House Republicans, telling them it is time to compromise with Democrats and avoid the contentious fights of the last two years.”

    http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/the-coming-boehner-debt-sellout/

  11. Is urgent, please pass along to others. This is cross-posted from WTPOTUS:

    Voter Fraud: You Can Help Attack It!
    November 11

    A different kind of ballot challenge than we’ve been working on, Instead of getting him off the ballot, we’re working on verifying many individual ballots and how they were counted.

    Reports coming in Fast ‘n Furiously indicate apparent MASSIVE VOTER FRAUD in 2012 elections. Help is requested IMMEDIATELY with research, recounts, complaints, legal work, etc.

    ***URGENT***PASS IT ON*** ELECTION FRAUD VOLUNTEERS NEEDED IN WI, OH, PA, VA, FL Citizens in 5 Key States have to FORCE THE ISSUE, and it has to be done NOW because any challenge to the vote has to be made within a number of days, and it varies by State . Once the vote is certified, IT IS TOO LATE! First it starts with the electors, second, stopping Congress from accepting the electoral college vote in January.

    Please go to – News with Views (Devvy) for further instructions for interested Patriots. HAS TO BEGIN on Monday!
    http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd559.htm

    We’ll probably find out Monday if GOP will take on the challenge. They have already filed suit on military ballots in at least one state.

    http://obamaballotchallenge.com/voter-fraud-you-can-help-attack-it

  12. 6,125 Proposed Regulations and Notifications Posted in Last 90 Days–Average 68 per Day
    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/6125-proposed-regulations-and-notifications-posted-last-90-days-average-68-day

  13. observer | November 11, 2012 at 10:52 pm |
    FBI Suppressed Petraeus Scandal to Protect President
    ***************************
    Not surprising!
    FBI is an agency operating under the U.S. Dept. of Justice, headed by Attorney General Eric Holder. We all know who he is.

  14. Pete ……….
    That was THEN……..this IS NOW. That was over 100 years ago, and as far as I know the national debt was NOT16 trillion. Considerable difference, and different circumstances as well.

  15. Pete………… we can suffer a extremely pianful, and extremely slow financial death.or we can DECLARE ALL DEBTS PAID,print new money and start over which will also be quite painful. Both schools of thought have their pitfals.The primary difference is that the suffering is over a lot faster. At least a stable monetary system would be in place,sooner,and the financial healing begins sooner. The choice equates with how much financial pain can we the people withstand for either direction. Declaring all debts paid would probably be the least painful.

  16. Pete………………
    There is still one other variable that you didn’t mention……………the BIG TIME BANKERS don’t necessarily follow the rules they MAKE THEIR OWN RULES. But if Congress formally declared ALL DEBTS PAID, the big time bankers would then be in a WORLD OF HURT,and would no longer have control over the US. The other way is for all 50 states to cecede at the same time,then form a new government, without debt. The present debt would be tossed with the government. As I said if all states secede at once the entire JUDICIAL, EXECUTIVE BRANCH,and LEGISLATURE are all disenfranchised at which point WE THE PEOPLE form a completely new government. This would also utilise a Senate having a two term limit.

  17. Kitty Kat 77…………….
    I would suspect that Congress would accept the electors certification of Soetoro without question. That is what really makes me feel sick. They are the elected Congressmen, who are supposed to be representing we the people,and upholding the requirements of our Constitution.

  18. It appears that in California just the mail in vote of LA would probably be enough for Romney to win the popular vote. and then some.

  19. I erred in the last comment I meant to say the write in popular vote of the entire state, would probably have went to Romney. This would include absentee ballots.

  20. Hapnhal………….
    We can follow Matthew 25 where our neighbor is concerned. But what do we offer the new neighbor who is a MUSLIM who in reality HATES OUR GUTS, and might very well attempt to kill us when our backs are turned.? Where I am concerned I do onto others as they have TRIED TO DO ONTO ME. I simply add a little intensity to it.

  21. Truth now | November 11, 2012 at 7:49 pm |
    Friend went to hospital,can only see dr on call now.Her reg,intern stopped by,but he can not see her there,can’t write prescription,
    It has started,wait till people wake up and find out what has been created for them.
    **********************************************
    Truth,
    Where I live our hospital has been doing that for over five years at least.
    So that practice predates Obamacare, at least here. Our hospital outsources their doctors, and you have to use those doctors unless your personal physician has privileges at the hospital, and most of them choose not to. I really dislike that very much and agree that we are only seeing the beginning of worse things to come.

    When I dislocated my shoulder some years ago one of these outsourced doctors did a bum job and I had to communicate with an outfit that was the doctor’s employer 2,000 miles away. The hospital itself took no responsibility.

  22. oldsailor80 | November 12, 2012 at 2:11 am |
    Pete………… we can suffer a extremely pianful, and extremely slow financial death.or we can DECLARE ALL DEBTS PAID,print new money and start over which will also be quite painful.
    *******************************
    OldSailor, wouldn’t such action cause our creditors, such as China, to take military action against us?

    Also, I can see where debtors would love such a plan, but creditors not so much. :)

    What about the retiree who holds a mortgage on a property that he sold and is depending on those payments from the buyer to supplement his income? The buyer would go scot free while the mortgage holder would lose big time. Couldn’t this scenario be considered a form of redistribution of wealth, which we are against?

  23. Mr. Bill(ms. helga)

    Sorry to keep going back to the West – Murphy race BUT it represents the most expensive congressional race of all in this term. A local morning conservative personality just said that West is NOT going to concede because over 170% voted – That is more than 70% were more than the REGISTERED VOTERS – Something stinks.

  24. Mr. Bill.
    I, of course, am still looking at the West situation & St. Lucie County.

  25. prop 37 was stupid,it deserved to be flushed down the toilet

    the bigger concern in CA is the supermajority
    in sacramento

    liberals are in full control of the state, this means they will pass higher taxes and spread their sick / twisted agenda, including gay marriages which the voters rejected by a wide margin.

    the best thing for CA is to renew last years secession started by southern california (non LA) counties

    this will really tick off the liberals, as under their watch CA disintegrated. Let’s get started on the NEW GOLDEN STATE , a true republic !

  26. cabbyaz | November 11, 2012 at 11:26 pm |
    observer | November 11, 2012 at 10:52 pm |
    FBI Suppressed Petraeus Scandal to Protect President
    ***************************
    Not surprising!
    FBI is an agency operating under the U.S. Dept. of Justice, headed by Attorney General Eric Holder. We all know who he is.
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    AMEN! This set up is also why we’re seeing more black on white crime/lawlessness. The general word (revenge) has gone out that such crime will not be prosecuted but excused. This is also why more union thug type crime…..threatening on private property, etc…..will also be given license. There will be more incentive for OWS to destroy more business property and even go after Alinsky type targets for destruction. Zero is creating more of this kind of climate with his regulations/taxes that in themselves will be the real reason for more layoffs and putting more employees as part time classified so the O”care” won’t effect them. Thus making such CEOs a greater target. These are Stalin tactics…..diabolical thug mafia tactics where lawlessness reigns. And the masses, rather than starve will join in the thug tactics. Revolutions in history have only caused misery for all in the longer run because they always cut out the producers and thus leave the rest to feed for only awhile off the scraps. We need some real loud statesmen (and real religious leaders…esp. in black community) to counteract the insanity using the force of vision and morality but we have none….esp. anyone willing to be humiliated and threatened. So….constant prayer for Divine help by more and more people seems to be, as always, the only real solution. Unfortunately even there the Godless today seem to outnumber the faithful remnant so history repeats itself and the total purification has to take place….normally bloody too! And that “purification” seems to be coming on rather quickly.

    With Iran being Shiite they know the sympathies of Zero are with the Sunnis….so if anyone attempts anything against him it would more than likely be one of them….yet, in this climate today they won’t get the blame. Guess who will!!!

  27. 20 States, Including Texas, Filed Petitions to Secede – Join the Petitions!

    As of Saturday November 10, 2012, 15 States have petitioned the Obama Administration for withdrawal from the United States of America in order to create its own government.

    http://www.examiner.com/article/15-states-including-texas-have-filed-a-petition-to-secede-from-the-united-states-1

  28. Air Force Brat!

    Re these alleged “Petitions”: As I stated in the previous thread, if memory serves me correctly, the state legislatures and/or the governors of the states don’t ask to be ALLOWED to secede, they issue a PROCLAMATION that they are DOING so.

    IMHO, putting one’s name on anything coming off whitehouse.gov is naive, and possibly dangerous. Something’s wonky.

  29. U.S. Virgin Islands Democrat Senator Arrested, Charged with Bribery-Related Crimes in DOJ scandal

    http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/09/u-s-virgin-islands-senator-arrested-charged-with-bribery-related-crimes-in-doj-scandal/

  30. Listen to Glen Beck radio. Needs more real reporters wants real news
    http://Www.theblaze.com/tv sign up ,Glen need help,Says we won’t survive if we do not get the Truth out.100percent of your Membership will go to investigate. Benghazi. Pass on Please
    C.W. Glenn needs you,he is looking for Investigavite Reporters Now
    Needs 150 reporters
    Thinks admin blackmailing Peterous,Clinton refuses to testify,tooo busy,Clinton’s good at running out Clock

  31. Eric Holder Failed to Disclose His Wife’s Abortion Clinic

    The revelations about Attorney General Eric Holder and his connection to an abortion clinic are becoming worse as new information has come to light showing he failed to disclose his wife’s co-owning of an abortion business.

    http://www.lifenews.com/2012/11/09/eric-holder-failed-to-disclose-wifes-abortion-clinic/

  32. Everyone needs to listen to Glen Beck and tell friends ,pass on,
    Tell all to help Glen for real Truth,we must get the Truth Now

  33. Small Business Owner on Obamacare: “Every Restaurant You Eat At Is Impacted Negatively By This Law” (Video)
    Posted by Jim Hoft on Monday, November 12, 2012, 8:16 AM

    Obama Brings the Pain–
    Small business owner Judy Nichols, a Papa John’s franchise owner, told FOX and Friends today that she will be forced to cut her staff or pay an Obamacare fine of $40,000 that she cannot afford. Nichols says,

    “Every restaurant you eat at is impacted negatively by this law.”

    Look for several more restaurants to close in the coming months.

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/

  34. Thornton Parsons

    Allen West is hanging tough. Only .58% difference w/Murphy. Just above automatic recount. He says he won’t back down. Not with 141% of voter turn out.

  35. The link to download the court docs in the 43 trillion dollar lawsuit alleging the theft and money laundering of the TARP money.

    http://americanpoliticalphilosophy.blogspot.com/2012/11/download-cort-docs-in-43-trillion.html

  36. Did I hear correctly that Gertrude Walker ,supervisor of elections,will not allow recount ???
    772-462-1500 no
    772-462-1439. Fax

    Email. elections@sicelections.com

    Washington times? Said more ballots than people

    We all must call,demand recount,if this is true

  37. Glenn Beck NEEDS Investigavitave Reporters ASAP. Pass on across America. http://www.theblaze.com/tv. Sign up

    Save America

  38. For people who wonder why the House majority was not effected as well in the last great election plan by the regime. But it was! It would seem that a Repub House is necessary as the left’s pin cushion to blame for stopping the great “people’s agenda” at this time of crisis thus being able to be even more vilified and thus making the conservative party completely useless in the minds of the sheeple for the regime’s intended one party rule of EVERYTHING.

  39. 14 Corporations: Announcing Layoffs

    http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/blog/?p=12105

  40. I have just seen on the Whatdoesitmean site that they are saying that it was a CIA drone that was used in the Indianapolis neighborhood explosion. I live in Indiana and they are saying on our area news programs that it wasn’t a gas leak nor a drug making explosion. This kinda makes me wonder. Has anyone else heard this? This is the site I was looking at. http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1627.htm

  41. Good Morning All; just want to say I find it hard to believe that the fbi would investigate CIA Head General Petreaus. Think about how this came about? Some friend of the General calls the FBI and tells them she is on the receiving end of some threatening emails from the Generals lover…and the feds read her emails and in their investigation read Broadwells? Did they subpoena her emails?? Did they hack her emails??? Did they confront the General???? Did they hack his emails??? Did they subpoena his emails????? Without permission from anyone????

  42. “ROMNEY DID NOT LOSE”

    Submitted by Terresa on November 12, 2012

    NoisyRoom
    By: Citizen Scribe

    “I predicted that the only way Romney would lose was through vote fraud. As the election returns are now being finalized, we discover that in several districts the final counts added up to more than 100% of the actual registered voters in those areas. The “traditional” Press is, of course, entirely uninterested and incurious about these results, as we would expect from a Fourth-Estate-as-Fifth-Column media community.

    Okay, fine, we now know that the election results are fraudulent, and we likewise know that the authorities and media will never acknowledge that possibility. What we now have is an “election” outcome that’s “official” but not legal, “official” but not true, “official” but for which the actual evidence will be destroyed, or already has been.”

    Continue Reading Here: http://www.trevorloudon.com/2012/11/romney-did-not-lose/

  43. Bessie: Some friend of the General calls the FBI and tells them she is on the receiving end of some threatening emails from the Generals lover
    ===============================
    Well, Bessie, apparently it is reported that at the time of the report of harrassing emails this supposedly Petraeus family friend victim, Kelley, did not know who was sending them to her. They were signed by various “anonymous” titles. She was frightened by them and went to local FBI for help. They were then traced to Broadwell and they claim that it was in the checking of all of her email that emails concerning/involving Petraeus in l’affaire were also discovered. The discrepancy comes in the supposed lack of any knowledge of this “relationship” early on when KT Mcfarland states that when she was in Afghanistan in ’11 that said relationship was well known. I think Zero knew it and that it was one of the reasons the regime allowed for a man with such involvement to still take on the top CIA position in order to have something to hold over his head….not so much that it would matter to the general corrupt public but for any feelings he still might have for his family and friends….that P wouldn’t want to have this news come out in another way other than by himself. And, with the alleged accounts of past threats against Clintons’ family members and their sudden capitulation to Zero, I wouldn’t put it past the regime to have threats out as well against P’s family as well. Perhaps, as a private citizen with the story out, Petraeus can move to protect himself and family better. The reason his deputy is sooo welcome to testify is because he’s been an Obama supporter even while people believe him to have integrity.

  44. Brought to you by the “new springtime” human wrecking machine:

    ‘Destroy the idols,’ Egyptian jihadist calls for removal of Sphinx, Pyramids

    http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/11/12/249092.html

  45. Air Force Brat……………………
    You are correct! They do NOT HAVE to file any PETITION as such. They only need to COMMISSION a BANK to assume a monetary role . This means that we return to the 1860s, insofar as how the state would function financially after secession. I would like to see all 50 states secede at the same time. This would serve to disenfranchise the Federal Government at which point WE THE PEOPLE elect a NEW GOVERNMENT.,and place 2 term limits on the Senate at the same time.

  46. Obama Launching Massive Campaign To Sue Companies, Organizations For Racial Discrimination On Everything From Credit Scores To Graduation Rates…

    http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-perspective/110812-632759-obama-to-wield-bigger-disparate-impact-club.htm?src=Sthru

  47. Starla……………
    The only courtroom left is the Court of WE THE PEOPLE. When this court is put in session it will have SWINGING doors and a GALLOWS with SWINGING CONVICTS,and it will not be very PRETTY…..at all.

  48. Observer…………..
    It is fast becoming very clear that the ALLEGED POTUS is becoming extremely INSANE. Just his RAVING and RANTING tells this story and his body language CONFIRMS IT. I believe that he either has END STAGE SYPHILIS which has broken through the blood barrier, or he has full blown aids. Either way it is being covered up by his medical staff,just as Hitler’s syphilis was covered up by his doctors. Soetoro is becoming more and more IRRATIONAL, and doing more and more IRRATIONAL things.

  49. bob strauss
    Good morning
    14 Corporations: Announcing Layoffs

    Found this post today and would like to share with you.
    (Hopefully it is accurate)

    Goodbye COSTCO – Hello Wal-Mart
    AMERICANS CAN NOW DETERMINE WHERE TO SHOP AND SPEND THEIR MONEY
    Election Cycle political donations, as reported by the Center for Responsive Politics.

    Shopping
    Price Club/Costco donated $225K, 99% went to Democrats
    Rite Aid donated $517K, 60% went to Democrats
    Magla Products (Stanley tools, Mr. Clean) donated $22K, 100% went to Democrats
    Warnaco (undergarments) donated $55K, 73% went to Democrats
    Martha Stewart Living Omnimedia donated $153K, 99% went to Democrats
    Estee Lauder donated $448K, 95% went to Democrats
    Guess, Inc. Donated $145K, 98% went to Democrats
    Calvin Klein donated $78K, 100% went to Democrats
    Liz Claiborne, Inc. Donated $34K, 97% went to Democrats
    Levi Straus donated $26K, 97% went to Democrats
    Olan Mills donated $175K, 99% went to Democrats
    WalMart donated $467K, 97% went to Republicans
    K-Mart donated $524K, 86% went to Republicans
    Home Depot donated $298K, 89% went to Republicans
    Target donated $226K, 70% went to Republicans
    Circuit City Stores donated $261K, 95% went to Republicans
    3M Co. Donated $281K, 87% went to Republicans
    Hallmark Cards donated $319K, 92% went to Republicans
    Amway donated $391K, 100% Republicans
    Kohler Co. (plumbing fixtures) donated $283K, 100% Republicans
    B.F. Goodrich (tires) donated $215K, 97% went to Republicans
    Proctor & Gamble donated $243K, 79% went to Republicans
    Spirits
    Southern Wine & Spirits donated $213K, 73% went to Democrats
    Joseph E. Seagrams & Sons (incl. Beverage Business and considerable media interests) donated $2M+, 67% went to Democrats
    Gallo Winery donated $337K, 95% went to Democrats
    Coors & Budweiser donated $174K, 92% went to Republicans
    Brown-Forman Corp. (Southern Comfort, Jack Daniels, Bushmills, Korbel Wines, Lenox China , Dansk and Gorham Silver) donated $644 K — 80% went to Republicans
    Hungry?
    Sonic Corporation donated $83K, 98% went to Democrats
    Triarc Companies (Arby’s, T.J. Cinnamon’s, Pasta Connections) donated $112K, 96% went to Democrats
    Pilgrim’s Pride Corp. (chicken) donated $366K, 100% went to Republicans
    Outback Steakhouse donated $641K, 95% went to Republicans
    Tricon Global Restaurants (KFC, Pizza Hut, Taco Bell) donated $133K, 87% went to Republicans
    Brinker International (Maggiano’s, Brinker Cafe, Chili’s, On the Border, Macaroni Grill, Crazymel’s, Corner Baker, EatZis) donated $242K, 83% went to Republicans
    Waffle House donated $279K, 100% went to Republicans
    McDonald’s Corp. Donated $197K, 86% went to Republicans
    Darden Restaurants (Red Lobster, Olive Garden, Smokey Bones, Bahama Breeze) donated $121K, 89% went to Republicans
    Heinz Republicans $64,000 Democrats $21,300! John Kerry’s wife’s company!!!
    Traveling and/or dining
    Hyatt Corporation donated $187K of which 80% went to Democrats
    Marriott International $323K, 81% went to Republicans
    Holiday Inns donated $38K, 71% went to Republicans

  50. ……….yet our young college grads think Soetoro is really C-O-O-L, to hear them tell it. Doesn’t say much for the INTELLIGENCE QUOTIENT of the young college grads.

  51. Good morning everyone.

    We need a Divine Intervention.

    One of the safeguards of the Constitution is the Electorial College. The College doesn’t meet until December 17th. Between now and then, a lot could happen. If the truth were to come out in a dramatic, overwhelmingly convincing way–to the point that Obama was removed or forced to resign–Romney/Ryan could still be selected.

    We all know a massive cover-up is going on with the Benghazi affair. Something is wrong with the Petraeus resignation. This is not to mention everything kept secret about Obama, himself. He has committed impeachable acts, violating the War Powers Act, etc. and trying to govern by fiat. And this is not to mention obvious election fraud. Anyone who can buy that Romney got 2 to 3 million fewer votes than McCain is an idiot and a fool.

    My disgust for the Media knows no bounds. Those who should be digging out the truth have sold out. I see some of them as traitors, to include a lot of Talk Radio hot air. It is just hard to draw the line between gross ignorance and willful sell-out in some of them. This goes for the people in Congress, too.

    Something has to give. Someone has to break free. It may be Hillary Clinton. There is something in the Bible Code indicating she will do something heroic. I sense she is going through a moral crisis. She has to know the truth. Pray for her.

    An unknown poet, Milton Howe, in his book, BENEATH THE CHITCHAT, wrote an essay back in 2008, “The Conservative Case for Hillary Clinton.” He thought she might be elected. This was before Obama was known at all. Howe thought the “Goldwater Girl” would come out in her, and that at heart she was conservative, just misdirected. He ends his essay with a verse of poetry. The last stanza reads:

    For the reality is
    She’s her own boss
    She’ll do what she must
    To the Left’s bitter loss
    She’ll defend this great land
    And carry her cross!

    Milton Howe sent her a signed copy of his book. She was very moved by it and wrote back, thanking him. Then she decided to have the song, “American girl,” sung at her rallies and the convention.

    A moral crisis is going on. Pray for Mrs. Clinton and Gen. Petraeus and all in a position to do the right thing. A Mormon hymn is entitled, “Do What is Right.” I have Mormon friends and relatives. We need God’s help for those trying to do what is right.

  52. Petraeus might think that his resignation has allowed him to hide…….he is wrong,Congress will issue a subpoena, and he will be placed under oath. I would suspect that he will invoke the 5TH.

  53. Search for video THETHIRDTERM. Inside The Secret Plan to Retain Power Thru 2020

    Have the link but cannot get it to come up
    http://pro.stansberryresearch.com/12…5&g=535&r=Milo You try

  54. “The New Math = Fraud”

    “Nah, no fraud here.

    Via Newsbusters:

    According to the Philadelphia Inquirer, Mitt Romney on Tuesday received ZERO votes in 59 Philadelphia voting divisions! ZERO!

    It’s one thing for a Democratic presidential candidate to dominate a Democratic city like Philadelphia, but check out this head-spinning figure: In 59 voting divisions in the city, Mitt Romney received not one vote. Zero. Zilch.”
    —–
    “Update: How is this possible?”

    http://media.cleveland.com/datacentral/photo/cuyahoga-precincts-2012jpg-8107831f12c11856.jpg
    —–
    http://myveryownpointofview.wordpress.com/2012/11/12/the-new-math-fraud/

  55. Crazy someone posted and took me right there
    Someone please find it. The Third Term. Yikes!!

  56. America Call every Republican Governor and attorney generals office Tuesday and report all the voter fraud,also Congress
    Givevthem http://www.citizenwells.wordpress.com
    http://Www.commieblaster.com.
    Ww.wnd.com. Articles on various frauds committed

  57. Mr. Bill(ms. helga)

    Dean – Google up “The Clinton Chronicles”

  58. http://www.wnd.com. Citizens are finding out,whole election needs to be reversed

  59. Search someone just called me about O’s third term,also
    Stansberryresearc.com search for video

  60. CabbyAZ………Re: 3:25 AM.
    It is conceiveable that some private debt might be RE AFFIRMED,or be allowed to be reaffirmed. But there would necessarily need to be extreme RESTRICTION to CREDIT SPENDING. If we assume the GOLD standard we could find ourselves in a severe DEFLATION situation. It is of course necessary to put people in charge of our monetary policy who can ADD, SUBTRACT,MULTIPLY,AND DIVIDE,which is one facet of the good old 3 Rs.

  61. Everybody………..
    I believe that I would be extremely careful where Stansberry is concerned, just do yourself a favor and contact the SEC/BROKERAGE DISCIPLINARY ACTIONS, and take a look at Stansberry. You will have your eyes opened. Doing business with a number of them could result in people becoming a lot BROKER.

  62. Historical data on 56 previous elections indicate at least 15 to 20 million votes flipped and missing. Data available for everyone right in front of our eyes. Out of 56 presidential elections there were only 7 elections that voter turn out was down from previous elections. The combined total for all 7 elections is 13,428,613 or 0.73% out of all 56 elections generating 1,835,207,811 votes. These 7 elections had events such as war of 1812, civil war, ww2, stock market crash attached to declines in voter turn out.

    The average growth in all presidential elections is 2,892,573 per election. The increase in votes for the last 5 presidential elections is 40 million. Yes that’s an average of 8 million more votes per for the last 5 elections, In 2008 131 million votes were counted. On Nov 2012 Gallop reported that this election mattered more to democrats 66% independents 62% and republicans 85%. So voter turnout 131 million from 2008 + 8 million average rate of growth last 5 elections + increased voter interest. That is 139 million + increased interest. 122 million votes counted for 2012 ???? THATS A SHORTFALL OF 17 MILLION VOTES!!!!! Where are they ? Everyone lets put on our thinking caps and why are we being distracted to different issues?.

  63. Whenever a BROKER crawls out of the WOODWORK, and begins HYPING the FINANCIAL CONDITION OF THE US to sell his product it is time for everybody to take a very comprehensive look at his past before doing any business with him. You only need to contact the SEC of the particular state and ask a few questions. There is also the SEC nationally. If a broker has done anything illegal in the past the SEC will have a file on it.

  64. Don’t give Glenn Beck one penny for his hollow begging that he will uncover the truth. He has mocked “birthers” and refused to discuss the natural born citizen issues and provided cover for Obama’s fraud. He had the nerve to say he NEVER investigated it but he laughed at the people who knew 1000x more than he did. Beck is a total and complete hypocrite.

  65. WELL FOLKS i HATE TO KEEP HARPING ON THE SAME SUBJECT,BUT WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO UNITE AND DO SOMETHING OTHER THAN TALK ABOUT OUR PROBLEMS. iF YOU UNITE TO A BODY OFD AT LEAST 40,000,000 PEOPLE i GUARANTEE THAT YOU WILL HAVE CLOUT THE first time around. iF not YOU SIMPLY PUT TOGETHER A 1,000,000 goon squad, AND SEND THEM TO dc TO clean house physically!.

  66. Sandy…………….
    It is really gratifying to read the comment of somebody who has obviously done his/her homework. I give you an A+ .

  67. Roseand Peony………..

    I have become disillusioned with Glenn Beck. But I hasten to add that there was a time when a hell of a lot of people watched,or otherwise listened to his show. I also think that he was one part of the driving force behind the bareing of the illegal Acorn activity. I thank him for doing that. But he has continued to refuse to even LOOK at the INELIGIBILITY issue. He could have discussed it with Arpiao,but to my knowledge he has never contacted Arpiao. I see NO REASON why Arpiao would NOT have cooperated with Beck.At one time in my life, I had wanted to become a cop. I even signed up for a police academy.But as I saw them being shot down by the criminals, and their superiors refusing to allow them to return the fire told me that I should look at another profession…..and I DID.

  68. BYE BYE FOLKS, GOD LOVE ALL OF YOU!

  69. Sandy……………
    As an 80 year old Navy vet it does even more than touch me in my core as you put it. I too graduated from GRADE school, and high school. I went to school in the days when UP was seen as UP, and down was seen as down. I am a vet of the Korean war era, and I have witnessed multiple thermonuclear test detonations from 40 miles distance. Close enough for the shock wave to blow your hat off your head. Once you have witnessed one of these you have looked upon a sample of mother nature’s forces………it also provides reason for an instant renewal of an “abandoned” religous faith.

  70. “Voter Fraud: Spigot Cities and Voter Fraud”

  71. oldsailor80 | November 12, 2012 at 1:42 pm |
    ———————————————————–
    Thank you for your service and continuing to speak out I am truly touched. My Dad fought in WW2 and my sister and I were brought up in Faith, Love, Trust, Respect, Honesty, Loyalty, and where the unspoken word lived every moment of every day in all of our actions. It touches me to remember those days it brings tears and feelings of joy, love and security. But tell me where are all those good people in our elected government and our military? If they are there why have the forsaken us and our Country, we scream out in protest yet we continue on the path of destruction Why? The truth stares us out in the open but yet its ignored or worse ridiculed Why? I pine for those days past where up was up down was down day was day and night was night.

  72. http://weaselzippers.us/2012/11/12/catholic-bishops-vow-to-defy-obamas-hhs-mandate/

    Catholic Bishops Vow To “Defy” Obama’s HHS Mandate…

    LINCOLN – The re-election of President Barack Obama may ignite a showdown with Catholic leaders over a federal mandate that religiously affiliated charities, universities and hospitals provide birth control coverage to their employees.

    “The Catholic Church is not going to back down,” said Denver Auxiliary Bishop James Conley, who will start as the new bishop of the Lincoln Diocese on Nov. 20. “We are never going to compromise our principles. We will defy it and face the consequences.”

    Roman Catholic officials in Omaha and Des Moines expressed similar sentiments this week over a plan by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services requiring all employers to provide their employees contraception coverage without copays.

    The so-called HHS mandate for religious organizations, currently the subject of dozens of legal challenges nationally, is set to take effect next August.

    Get ready for the overt persecution….will start with removing tax free status based on some bogus “preaching against Obama” when only the guidance to vote according to Faith mandates was done. Meanwhile every black church pulpit is used to order “folks” to vote for Obama specifically or else! And hospitals will be sued, etc.

  73. Posted from comments on No Quarter:
    Fox also announced there are petitions in 20 states to secede from the United States. That is something that I never thought I would see in my lifetime. They are getting thousands of signatures. I am sure it will not happen, but the fact that the so many people do not feel that this country is their country any more is a terrible thing to see

  74. Air Force Brat!

    Again — if these “petitions” are on whitehouse.gov, do not trust them. Why would an entity that has just spent untold amounts of time, money and energy on (maybe winning, maybe stealing) an election, all of a sudden have secession petitions from several states on ITS OWN WEBSITE? That doesn’t compute. Something is strange.

    States intending to secede would not file a petition asking Obama if it’s OK. They are sovereign entities. They would issue a proclamation TELLING the government that they are doing so. I agree that it’s highly unlikely any of the states will do this. But if they did, that’s how they would do it.

  75. Air Force Brat! | November 12, 2012 at 3:20 pm |
    Yes I agree

    More distractions.

  76. Strapped San Francisco Slashes Government Services But Now Offering Free Sex Change Operations

    In the midst of cash-strapped Californians approving new taxes to prevent further cuts in essential state services, San Francisco health officials appear to have found the money to fund what they say is a much-needed service to residents living in the City by the Bay:

    Sex changes.

    The gender-switching surgeries are part of a comprehensive program for treating transgender people that the city’s Health Commission green-lighted on Tuesday and announced two days later. Backers say it will help ease the mental anguish of people who feel they are trapped in bodies of the wrong gender, but critics wonder why the taxpayers should foot the bill.

    Read more: http://joemiller.us/2012/11/strapped-san-francisco-slashes-government-services-but-now-offering-free-sex-change-operations/#ixzz2C2onrPjW

    ______________________________________

    I guess there’s no need for comment. The article speaks for itself.

  77. Interested Bystander

    Hey All,

    oldsailor,

    I always learn from your posts, but I wonder how do you declare all debt null and void and create a new currency without first backing up that new currency with something of value like precious metals?

    And as far a secession, I’d like to see the Country broken up in to more than one Country.

    I don’t want California or Oregon or Washington State in our new Country.

    I’m thinking “they” can have New York, and most of the North east also.

    Oh, and Tina, “they” can have Tina and whatever State she lives in (I know that’s mean, but I can’t help myself).

  78. Interested Bystander

    As far as the explosion in Indy this weekend, I live just south of Indy and work in Indianapolis and the local news is stating that no determination has been made as to what caused the explosion.

  79. IB, did you hear a sonic boom or notice the earthquake earlier?

  80. Regarding this wrong body stuff..
    I too have the wrong body… I was intended to be about Shaquille O’Neil’s size with an Adonis like build.. dashing good looks..ohh.. perfect teeth, too!

    I think the government should give me the body that (n my mind) I claim as my own…for free.. at taxpayer expense…

    If you can’t agree.. you’re simply heartless… at least do it for the children!

    btw.. when you’re done with my body.. Can you work on my wife’s?

  81. Interested Bystander

    cw,

    To be honest I was sleeping and didn’t notice anything.

    I have heard an audio of the blast from 15 miles away though.

    Here’s a link to a site that has many videos and the audio I commented about above:

    http://z6mag.com/featured/indianapolis-house-explosion-videos-pictures-2-dead-1615533.html

    I probably live about 8 miles from the blast as the crow flies.

    Lot’s of “theories” making their way around.

    6:00, let’s see if there’s anything new.

    Talking about one of the homes having a “furnace problem”.

    Awfully big furnace I would think.

  82. This is what I have seen on this site about the explosion? Could this be possible? http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1627.htm

  83. And as far a secession, I’d like to see the Country broken up in to more than one Country.

    I don’t want California or Oregon or Washington State in our new Country.

    …..the better solution is to have all the red counties , and in many states there are alot more red counties than blue counties, split off the main state and form it’s own state. This way each new state will get two senators. That will switch the balance in the Senate. Furthermore, the nation does not break up.

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