Obama tax plan creates massive job losses, Hundreds of thousands of jobs disappearing, Ernst & Young report, CBO, House Ways & Means Committee Chairman Dave Camp

Obama tax plan creates massive job losses, Hundreds of thousands of jobs disappearing, Ernst & Young report, CBO, House Ways & Means Committee Chairman Dave Camp

“…and Socialist governments traditionally do make a financial mess. They [socialists] always run out of other people’s money. It’s quite a characteristic of them.”…Margaret Thatcher

“I absolutely reject that notion [mandate is a tax].”…Barack Obama

“Recently, Obama has been re-elected for a 2nd term by an illiterate society and he is ready to continue his lies of less taxes while he raises them.”…Pravda November 19, 2012

 

From the Examiner December 2, 2012.

“Fiscal cliff: Obama tax and spend plan unbalanced, says top lawmaker”

“While President Barack Obama complained about Republicans during his Pennsylvania visit on Friday and made another political campaign-style pitch to raise taxes by $1.6 trillion, he failed to put forward a “balanced” plan that includes significant spending reductions to deal with the so-called fiscal cliff, according to a top member of the House Ways & Means Committee on Saturday.

The President’s continued focus on increasing tax rates is fast turning the fiscal cliff into a jobs cliff. In fact, manufacturers across the country are warning Americans that the President’s tax increases will cost American jobs. And these employers aren’t alone.

According to the non-partisan Joint Committee on Taxation, nearly one million small businesses and more than half of all small business income earned will be impacted by the President’s tax rate hikes.

Knowing that higher tax rates mean less money for investment and hiring, it is no wonder that both the accounting firm of Ernst & Young and the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office confirm that raising any tax rate will result in hundreds of thousands of jobs disappearing.

The Ernst & Young report is more proof that the President doesn’t understand the economy or what it takes to create jobs in this country. After more than three years of high unemployment, slow growth and record levels of stimulus spending, the Obama Administration appears ready and willing to further derail the U.S. economic recovery by raising taxes on small businesses, according to House Ways & Means Committee Chairman Dave Camp (R-MI).

“We need these employers and investors creating more paychecks, not paying more taxes. Rather than double down on tax hikes that will make it harder to get America back to work, it is time to stop the tax hike – for all taxpayers – and move forward with comprehensive tax reform that will provide the certainty these entrepreneurs need,” Camp said.

Throughout his tenure in the House, according to Camp staff member Michelle Dimarob, he has worked with lawmakers from both sides of the aisle to advocate for lower tax rates for American families and employers, a long term overhaul and simplification of the U.S. tax code, and trade policies that expand American exports while ensuring American workers are protected.

Camp authored the House GOP alternative to the Democrats’ health care law, the only health care legislation scored by the Congressional Budget Office to lower the cost of health insurance premiums for Americans, according to staffer Sarah Swinehart.”

http://www.examiner.com/article/fiscal-cliff-obama-tax-and-spend-plan-unbalanced-says-top-lawmaker

From the Ernst & Young report.

“Long-run macroeconomic impact of increasing tax rates on high-income taxpayers in 2013″

“This report uses the EY General Equilibrium Model of the US Economy to examine the impact of the increase in the top tax rates in the long-run. While a recent Congressional Budget Office (CBO) report examined the near-term effects of all of the federal government fiscal policies under scrutiny at the end of 2012 and found them to be of sufficient size to push the economy into recession at the beginning of 2013, this report focuses on the long-run effects of the increase in the top tax rates. This report examines four sets of provisions that will increase the top tax rates:
 The increase in the top two tax rates from 33% to 36% and 35% to 39.6%.
 The reinstatement of the limitation on itemized deductions for high-income taxpayers (the “Pease” provision).
 The taxation of dividends as ordinary income and at a top income tax rate of 39.6% and increase in the top tax rate applied to capital gains to 20%.
 The increase in the 2.9% Medicare tax to 3.8% for high-income taxpayers and the application of the new 3.8 percent tax on investment income including flow-through business income, interest, dividends and capital gains.
With the combination of these tax changes at the beginning of 2013 the top tax rate on ordinary income will rise from 35% in 2012 to 40.9%, the top tax rate on dividends will rise from 15% to 44.7% and the top tax rate on capital gains will rise from 15% to 24.7%.
These higher tax rates result in a significant increase in the average marginal tax rates (AMTR) on business, wage, and investment income, as well as the marginal effective tax rate (METR) on new business investment. This report finds that the AMTR increases significantly for wages (5.0%), flow-through business income (6.4%), interest (16.5%), dividends (157.1%) and capital gains (39.3%). The METR on new business investment increases by 15.8% for the corporate sector and 15.6% for flow-through businesses.
This report finds that these higher marginal tax rates result in a smaller economy, fewer jobs, less investment, and lower wages. Specifically, this report finds that the higher tax rates will have significant adverse economic effects in the long-run: lowering output, employment, investment, the capital stock, and real after-tax wages when the resulting revenue is used to finance additional government spending.”

http://waysandmeans.house.gov/uploadedfiles/ey_study_long-run_macroeconomic_impact_of_increasing_tax_rates_on_high_income_taxpayers_in_2013__2012_07_16_final.pdf

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79 responses to “Obama tax plan creates massive job losses, Hundreds of thousands of jobs disappearing, Ernst & Young report, CBO, House Ways & Means Committee Chairman Dave Camp

  1. Just heard on the WSJ Editorial Report today (Fox) that Costco has borrowed to pay huge dividends to shareholders THIS year to avoid tax increases which will begin in 2013. One of those shareholders is the retired Costco CEO, who would otherwise be hit with huge, future income taxes on dividend income. I believe that he is an Obama supporter.

    Think of the impact here of using borrowed money to pull this off. In other words, the funds from profits are not sufficient, and Costco is borrowing against the future. This is disastrous, but also proves that those with the means will manage to get around it, at least for now, while the rest of us will have to face it. Expect more job losses from such maneuvers, because other companies are likely to follow suit. It’s called “tax planning.”

  2. CitizenWells,
    Obama wants to raise taxes to prevent default on the US debt payment. The plan seems to be the following: 1) Raise taxes to generate enough revenue to continue to ask for unlimited debt increase. 2) Plan on bank account and 401K takeover to increase revenue in 24 months, because plan A won’t get you to 2016. This is the kick the can down the road by increasing taxes, devalue currency, and eventual plain theft of saved money. He believes this will keep the democrats with their spending for another 50 months, give or take.

    The problem is that raising taxes will now decrease tax revenue, and actually make the debt worse very quickly. In addition, it will drive out what private sector jobs and production we have. Finally, the theft to keep it going after 24 months will be see as unacceptable to many Americans (violence). That’s why Homeland Security has 1.4 Trillion rounds of hollowpoints on order, and former WWII internment and POW camps are being refurbished.

    The republicans failed 24 months ago when they didn’t listen and increased the debt limit. Obama used that money to finance overseas return of money for his election, via the muslim brotherhood and 44 dollar donations with ‘credit cards’. This truly is the last chance for them to stop the insanity, and I am certain that they will cave into Obama and let them continue the free fall.

    America will soon resemble the city of Detroit.

    Pete

  3. Whistleblower

    Pete

    It is important for us to stop calling what you just descibe as the Obama plan.
    Its The Washington DC plan. The GOP is complicit all the way.

    Chicagogate: Cover-up Exposed

    http://illinoispaytoplay.com/2012/11/30/chicagogate-cover-up-exposed/

  4. Nineteen days and counting……..

  5. Repost (earlier comment went into moderation – too many links?)
    ———-
    Comment by Bridgette at wtpotus:

    http://wtpotus.wordpress.com/2012/11/30/forgery-and-stealing-by-deception-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-99479
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    Bridgette | November 30, 2012 at 4:20 pm

    Here We Go Again- Ted Cruz Already Running for President?
    GeorgeM at 30 November

    Cruz, who is the biggest anti-birther in Texas, seems to be positioning himself already for a run at the Presidency in 2016! Ted Cruz, having not even started his term as Senator, is already feeling out a run for President. By the way, he was born in Canada in 1970 to a Cuban father and American mother. Sound familiar? Let’s nip this one in the bud.

    While some critics contend that Cruz is not eligible to run for president since he was born in Canada, he has asserted that doesn’t preclude him from the office.

    “The Constitution requires that one be a natural-born citizen, and my mother was a U.S. citizen when I was born,” he told The New Yorker’s Ryan Lizza.

    http://www.politico.com/story/2012/11/ted-cruz-speech-stokes-2016-speculation-84436_Page2.html#ixzz2DjtdYZSR

    [more]

  6. Might as well give everybody a free education, it’s totally useless when there are no jobs.
    *******************************
    Tom commented: It’s just not fair to make taxpayers pay for other people’s loans.

    $1 Trillion Dollar Studen Loan Bailout?
    This is getting ridiculous.

    http://www.reagancoalition.com/articles/2012/20121130003-student-bailout.html

  7. Article Nov 30th Benghazi explained Part 2 Must Read ,comments also
    One comment said Carney and other have become wealthy and have their funds in slush funds in Rome bank,I think.Please read Benghazi report,excellent can email and twitter article .Comments are great response.
    http://www.canadafreepress.com Pass on Truth explained,excellent article

  8. Bob Strauss,
    Can you bring article over from http://www.canadafreepress.com on Benghazi
    Explained Part 2?
    Thanks

  9. Benghazi explained: Behind the lies
    Doug Hagmann Full Story

    Author’s note: This is a special supplement of a multi-part interview with a government insider intimately familiar with the events that took place in Benghazi. It is important to note that the information contained in this series was developed from interviews that spanned over 100 hours. My source requested that the following information be written separately due to its importance.

    http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/51470

  10. Thank you Bob

  11. The comments need to be read also.One talks bout how some admin have become wealthy nd have a slush und in Rome
    All need to mail or twitter cross America
    justice@foxnews.com. hannity@foxnews.com. Huckmail@foxnews.com
    ,other talk radio call congress etc’etc

  12. Pete……………..Re 3:55PM

    It is my feeling that we are seeing only the TIP OF THE ICEBERG. Wait until the full weight of an unemployment figure of 200,000,000 hits. It can, and there is strong potential that it WILL happen. Eventually there will be very little business of ANY size,or kind remaining in the US. Like you say America will look like Detroit. I disagree ……….America will look WORSE than Detroit. The only way that anybody will be able to have anything is for them to steal it from someone else. This includes a LOAF OF BREAD, which will cost a days wages to buy, that is if you are lucky enough to still have employment. Gonna get pretty hairy……soon. The BASTARDS that are behing the problem don’t have the brain power to realise thhhhhat their insanity is going to do the same thing to them as it is doing to 200,000,000 others. Everyone will end up without a POT TO PI$$ in or a window to throw it out. Anybody who has experienced the great depression will think that was a picnic,when compared to what is coming.

  13. Truth Now…………..
    I was listening to and watching a FOXNEWS show where a politician was talking about how great of a POTUS Marco Rubio would make ,and that he hoped that Marco would run in 2016. They didn’t even mention the words “Constiitutional eligibility.” I now think that even the newly elected Congressmen have absolutely ZERO understanding regarding our Constitution. It is almost as though the entirety of the US Government is staffed with complete NITWITS. Whenever anybody mentions “Constitutional eligibility” in the presence of such people they get a blank look on their face, and try to change the subject. Our Constitution REMAINS IN FORCE UNTIL IT IS FORMALLY REJECTED BY AT LEAST 3/4 of the states,and by a special act of Congress. Every article,including the Bill of Rights(first 10 articles) is STILL ENFORCEABLE anywhere IN THE US. The perpetrators,and the SNOT NOSED WORDSMITHS seem to think that it must first be interpreted. There is not a day that passes that somebody in an elected office makes the statement that they need to INTERPRET a particular Article. One such person who says this repeatedly is MMMMMSSSSS.Clinton.They are all wrong, and are simply trying to WORDSMITH the Constitution in their vain,and otherwise NITWIT efforts to make it mean UP is DOWN. The founders of our Constitution knew how to read,write,and how to draft such documents. The Constitution is written in such language that it does NOT REQUIRE INTERPRETATION. If you can read a Bible, and understand what you read, then you can also read the Constitution and understand every word of it.Sadly it is the mentality of those who are reading it which should be questioned. If they cannot understand it,and think it needs to be INTERPRETED then it means that they do not possess the ability to READ, and comprehend what they read……which is NOT the fault of the people who drafted our Constitution.

  14. Revelation 6:6

    And I heard a voice from among the four living beings say, “A loaf of wheat bread or three loaves of barley will cost a day’s pay. And don’t waste the olive oil and wine

  15. Oldsailor80
    Amen

  16. I called Rubios office and said he was not qualified to run as vp,or pres

  17. GORDO | December 2, 2012 at 5:52 pm |
    GORDO,
    Ted Cruz, newly elected Texas senator, is an attorney, too. He should know better about thinking on a run for President in 2016, but it seems that none of them can read, namely, the U.S. Constitution. It is absolutely appalling!

    Old Sailor, you are exactly right about an ordinary person being able to understand it.

    Frankly, at this point since Zero was allowed to lower the bar, I doubt if Congress would stop anyone from being elected to the presidency – even a Hugo Chavez.

  18. SueQ | December 2, 2012 at 9:20 pm |
    Revelation 6:6
    *****************
    Sobering words indeed, and there will not be one jot or tittle go unfulfilled.

  19. Mr. Bill(ms. helga)

    Fellow passengers – We are now adrift and sinking fast.

  20. Mr. Bill(ms. helga)

    Truth Now | December 2, 2012 at 9:29 pm |
    I called Rubios office and said he was not qualified to run as vp,or pres
    ________________________________________

    What was their answer – “We didn’t know that!!”

  21. Mr. Bill,
    Awhile back said great explanation on natural born on this retired Navy
    commanders web site http://www.protectourliberty.org
    Semantics,I guess ,they must know difference and why

    http://www.teaparty.org. Support campaign and pass on major undertaking !

  22. Don’t think Romney was qualified either,don’t remember why
    Need 3rd Party, Who really runs the show,seems like it’s all pretend?
    Still are many true Americans out here,corruption is rampant,so many have sold their soul.They obviously have no conscience.So hard to comprehend,how they think.Our Nation is toooooo great to allow it to be ruined and freedoms taken away .Can’t believe some don’t know,or do they know and are covering up.If they don’t know then they are plain stupid..I talk to strangers and they know,so why don’t elected officials news media ?
    Just playing stupid?God knows,need to Pray for Big Miracles
    Bring back America to one Nation Under God !!

  23. Truth Now,

    Romney was qualified. In spades.

  24. Think most think need only one parent needs to be a citizen ,when you are born,to be natural born.Wrong Both ,so alligence won’t go to another country,Framers were soooooo smart.
    George Washington. “Beware of Pretended Patriotism”

    http://www.protectourliberty.org. Retired Navy Commanders site great explanation.

  25. Good morning all.

  26. Mr. Bill(ms. helga)

    Truth Now | December 3, 2012 at 8:04 am |
    Don’t think Romney was qualified either,don’t remember why
    ________________________________________

    I think his father was born in Mexico. I am beginning to believe the Dems & Repubs made a secret pledge not to bring up eligibility issues. That makes them both corrupt.

  27. Mr. Bill(ms. helga)

    PS – Don’t forget SR511 (Senate Resolution 511). The chairman said that BOTH McCains parents were citizens!! AND SENATOR OBAMA was one of the 5 or 6 signers. As Casey Stengel said -“You can look it up.”

  28. More on Benghzi lies http://www.canadafreepress.com
    Can someone bring this over? Pass on talk radio,justice@foxnews.com
    Everyone you can think of

  29. Mr.Bill……….”OHHHHHH NOOOOOO!”
    Did you tell the FOOLS at his OFFICE… WHY… he is not ELIGIBLE. Probably you will have to draw them a PICTURE. Pictures seem to be more effective with mentally impaired FOOLS than anything else. I guess that is why they are usually so CHILDISH in their responses. They ARE mentally CHILDREN. You might also ask them if they have EVER read our Constitution. Might be interesting to read what they have to say in response.

  30. Obama Felony Fraud Proven

    By Daniel Noe 103 Comments

    There is so much proof besides this that Obama should be prosecuted… … [Read More...]

    http://www.westernjournalism.com/obama-felony-fraud-proven/

  31. Obama Felony Fraud
    Proven by Law Enforcement in 4 Minutes

    Part 1 of 3 of the “Obama’s Usurpation of America” Video being Released in 3 Weeks — Pass this Video on to All!

    http://commieblaster.com/index.html

  32. Everyone keeps referring to Soetoro,as Obama. He is NOT Barack H,Obama…….he is still legally Barry Soetoro. He began using the name Obama at some point after Occidental,and before Columbia. He could not legally re instate his alleged birth name because he was LEGALLY adopted by Lolo Soetoro,and has no legally valid birth documentation. To reinstate his alleged original birth name he would have had to file a PETITION for Name Change,at the Superior Court level. It would have had to be legally adjudicated,and if the name was LEGALLY GRANTED it would have become PUBLIC INFORMATION. There is not NOW nor has there ever been a petition for name change legally adjudicated in behalf of Barry Soetoro. If the name Barack H,Obama was legally granted it would appear in the PUBLIC INFORMATION DATABASES. The USURPER is still Legally Barry Soetoro, and he ISN’T even the legally elected POTUS. Hell with the right paperwork from a Superior Court the DC Sheriff could legally walk into the WH and arrest the SLIMEY A–HOLE. Or the public EN MASSE could physically remove him from the WH without ANY PAPERWORK WHATSOEVER,because he is not LEGALLY THE POTUS. If nobody in the US has the GONADS to do it perhaps a few from the Honduras Army could be hired to do the work. They seem to have GONADS, and they also have prior experience.

  33. Air Force Brat!

    Mr. Bill and TruthNow — It doesn’t matter if Romney’s father was born on Saturn. If both parents are born here — OR HAVE BECOME CITIZENS — by the time of Romney’s birth (which they had), he’s a natural-born citizen. See the U.S. Supreme Court ruling in Minor v. Happersett.

  34. Air Force Brat……………
    While Romney’s father was born in MEXICO, I believe that he became a naturalised citizen. If that is accurate then Mitt was most likely an NBC. I stand with you!

  35. City: Give Us Your Guns, Get A Free Flu Shot – And A Wegman’s Gift Card

    The city of Worcester, Massachusetts is asking citizens to bring their weapons to the police department next weekend as part of the city’s annual “Goods for Guns Buyba
    ck Program.” In return for the guns, the city will offer gift certificates, and – a free flu shot.

    http://cnsnews.com/blog/gregory-gwyn-williams-jr/city-give-us-your-guns-get-free-flu-shot-and-wegmans-gift-card?sc=6029582569777455304

  36. How Susan Rice Covered Up the Kenya Embassy Bombings 14 Years Before Benghazigate

    In the spring of 1998, Prudence Bushnell, the U.S. ambassador to Kenya, sent an emotional letter to Secretary of State Madeleine Albright begging for a more secure embassy in the face of mounting terrorist threats and a warning that she was the target of an assassination plot.

    The State Department had repeatedly denied her request, citing a lack of money. But that kind of response, she wrote Albright, was “endangering the lives of embassy personnel.”

    http://frontpagemag.com/2012/dgreenfield/how-susan-rice-covered-up-the-kenya-embassy-bombings-14-years-before-benghazigate/

  37. Mr. Bill(ms. helga)

    oldsailor80 | December 3, 2012 at 10:02 am |
    Mr.Bill……….”OHHHHHH NOOOOOO!”
    _______________________________________

    Mr. Bill Goes To Washington (OHH NOOO)

  38. OBAMA’S INELIGIBILITY TO BE EXPOSED ON CABLE TV IN MID-DECEMBER?

  39. Obama Gets Humiliated in the Pacific

    President Barack Obama attended the summit to sell a US-based Trans-Pacific Partnership excluding China. He didn’t. The American led-partnership became a party to which no-one came.

    Read more: http://nation.foxnews.com/president-obama/2012/12/03/obama-gets-humiliated-pacific#ixzz2E0znQspN

    http://nation.foxnews.com/president-obama/2012/12/03/obama-gets-humiliated-pacific

  40. WND has a good article about voter fraud and is asking for people to sign a petition to Congress to investigate immediately.

    http://www.wnd.com/2012/12/congress-urged-investigate-vote-fraud-now/

  41. ILLEGAL!! Secret NSA Utah Data Center Being Built to Store Records on Everyone’s Communications Forever …“We Are This Far From A Turnkey Totalitarian State” – Big Brother Goes Live September 2013

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/%E2%80%9Cwe-are-far-turnkey-totalitarian-state-big-brother-goes-live-september-2013

  42. Call your Senators to vote NO on UN CRPD treaty.

  43. http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=364003
    Orly posts new signed subpoena for Occidental College records. Form DC Court. Records Due 12.14.12

    Also has the first Elector to sign on as Plaintiff in MS case.

  44. Re: bob strauss | December 2, 2012 at 7:57 pm |

  45. Air Force Brat!

    Anyone remember this video from the 2009 certification, showing an apparent attempt to voice an objection? At 4:07, in the lower left-hand corner, it clearly shows Rep. Steven LaTourette (from Texas, I think) with his right hand raised. He is NOT clapping, and does not look happy.

    Dick Cheney didn’t ask for objections. For all his faults, I don’t think he’s the type of guy who would deliberately do such a thing. A whole lot of people at the time were saying that all the shouting, stamping of feet, and hoopla was deliberate on the part of Pelosi and her pals, to distract Cheney and “shout down” any potential objections.

    Maybe it’s just me, but it does seem there’s a “mob mentality”, borderline savage vibe there.

  46. ProtectOurCivilRightsFreedoms

    Re: bob strauss | December 2, 2012 at 7:57 pm
    bob strauss | December 3, 2012 at 10:10 am |
    bob strauss | December 3, 2012 at 1:00 am
    Lmuha | December 3, 2012 at 1:38 pm |
    Lmuha | December 3, 2012 at 1:57 pm
    cabbyaz | December 3, 2012 at 1:50 pm | zachjonesishome | December 3, 2012 at 2:33
    & Everyone here!!! Thank you for posting your info & links here !!!

    Mr. B….I will try to repost your video without the s after the http that sometimes mysteriously shows up at times. Can’t say if it will post or not, but will certainly & definitely give it a go………

    Mr. Bill Goes To Washington (OHH NOOO)

  47. ProtectOurCivilRightsFreedoms

    Sweet Success………Thumbs Up!

  48. Interested Bystander

    Hey All,

    It’s me………….

    Just a couple thoughts,

    What in the heck are we even doing in Benghazi anyway? Why are we running guns in the first place? Why are we running guns ILLEGALLY?

    If you’re running guns to a group, why not just ADMIT IT? Why be ashamed of it?

    Oh wait, that would be because it is WRONG, but we have to stick our arrogant nose in every Country’s “business” when it’s NONE OF OUR BUSINESS.

    To be perfectly honest, if Countries wanted to be battling it out over this or that, just leave us out of it.

    Oh and I know, we can’t stay out of ANYTHING can we? We are the supposed “Leader of the World” right?

    One of my first thoughts after hearing about the attack in Libya was why do we have a Government office in this city anyway?

    NO, after almost 3 months, we find out that it WASN’T a Government office but some “covert operation command center” or something.

    It sickens me to think that the United States of America is doing what it is doing.

    And we wonder why we are so hated.

    When I become educated about stuff like this, and things like Fast and Furious, I think about these words from “Civil War” by Guns and Roses:

    We don’t need no civil war,
    It feeds the rich while it buries the poor,
    The power hungry selling soldiers in a
    Human Grocery store (ain’t that fresh)
    We don’t need no civil war.

    Think about it……………

  49. Interested Bystander

    Lmuha posted this:

    “OBAMA’S INELIGIBILITY TO BE EXPOSED ON CABLE TV IN MID-DECEMBER?”

    Not wanting to burst your bubble or anything, but we’ve ALL seen this movie before, and it doesn’t end well for “our” side.

    Just stating the obvious.

  50. IB………………
    Isn’t all of that what LIBERALS do best?

  51. Interested Bystander

    Hey All,

    Wasn’t there supposed to be some “secret” code behind Trump’s “donation” offer? You know, like something about the Cold Case Posse going to release some information?

    I’ve been just as gullible to fall for this jibberish also, but at some point you have to admit your defeat (no matter how “right” you are) and try a different tactic.

    “Our” side seems to be grasping at straws.

    And I know I’ve stated this before but

    Truth Now,

    Taitz just isn’t a good “vehicle” for the message.

    Taitz has the right arguement, she comes off as an amateur in all the worst ways. I’ve seen her in action, she doesn’t articulate her arguements in a way that the Court can RESPECT them.

    She didn’t even know to QUALIFY her witness as an EXPERT, WITHOUT any defense lawyers there to question thier qualifications.

  52. IB……………
    So far,the worst that I have seen any country do is throw a couple of SHOES at George Bush. I guess that is a step in the RIGHT direction. You would think that for as long as the US has been doing all of the BUTINSKI routine that by now somebody would have either been shot at, or at the very least had his/her nose shortened substantially by somebody’s knuckles. Just a thought!

  53. Interested Bystander

    oldsailor80 | December 3, 2012 at 6:05 pm |

    IB………………
    Isn’t all of that what LIBERALS do best?”

    Sad to comment this, but it’s hard to tell “liberal” and “conservatives” apart these days.

    Republicans today were the democrats of the 60’s

    Democrats today are communists.

    Not much difference in my opinion.

  54. Interested Bystander

    “oldsailor80 | December 3, 2012 at 6:12 pm |”

    How do we know that someone hasn’t gotten their nose punched in……..or worse, like someone getting materials that could be used against us.

    The media only informs us of what they want us to know.

  55. IB…………….
    I get the exact same feeling regarding Orly. I have said a number of times that she needs to hook up with a hell of a good TRIAL LAWYER who knows what a judge needs to hear………but don’t get me wrong, I think that Orly has shown remarkable spirit,and awareness of what is being perpetrated………..it is really sad to see her spit on by the SLIMEY BASTARDS who think UP is DOWN. She needs a team who know the difference and have the depth of a courtroom argument as their greatest pleasure.

  56. Interested Bystander

    “oldsailor80 | December 3, 2012 at 6:12 pm |”

    Or if you mean that WE would be the one punching noses, I would STILL like to know the reason we are even doing it to begin with?

    Our Government SHOULD NOT in any way matter or form be involved in COVERT operations where we are ARMING opposition armies.

    I would suggest that it has come back to bite us in the posterior on more than one occassion (Iraq and Iran come to mind).

  57. Interested Bystander

    “oldsailor80 | December 3, 2012 at 6:21 pm |”

    I have read on many occassions that offers have been made, and rejected by Orly.

  58. Interested Bystander

    And please do NOT get me wrong:

    I supported Ron Paul, who I ALSO believe is the wrong vehicle for the message.

    I “support” Orly, she just seems to be “out of her league”.

  59. Interested Bystander

    OK, recess is over……………back to the hole.

    Thanks for giving me a place to express my opinions CW.

  60. IB…………….
    My only concern is where and when is she going to find anybody with a set of golf balls,who at the same time know how to say something other than UMM,AHH, UHM UHM, OH COOL, WOW, ETC. I tend to think that NO JUDGE ON EARTH wants to hear several hours of such language. This is not to reflect on Orly,I am simply saying that if she would get with some other lawyers for assistance, the expressions that I have voiced above need to not be in the vocabulary of ANY OF THEM.

  61. IB so far I havn’t one word against your comments. You have largely said nearly everything that I think about from time to time. But I like you think that the US could do a hell of a lot more if it simply paid more attention to the problems of it’s own CITIZENS instead of BASTARDS who have been fighting with each other for 3000 years,and more, and don’t even have the slightest IDEA what they are fighting about, maybe that is why their moral standards permit their SICK ,and otherwise MURDEROUS behavior. Yet they cut out tongues, cut off hands,and noses,and ears, and force women to wear a blanket over their head 24/7. Maybe the LIBERAL BASTARDS who think all of that makes the A$$holes who perpetrate such acts grand ,glorius,fine and upstanding people. I personally look upon such people with strong dislike,( some might call it HATRED). I have been amongst some others who were exactly like that,and if I would have been carrying an M1 or equally heavy rifle, I would have probably rammed the but of the rifle down the filthy mouths of a few of them. Our alleged leaders think that these people are so grand and all good,………well once again I point to the hole in the ground where the twin towers once stood. If that is an example of the GRAND AND all wonderful Middle East LUNATICS then I guess this says that we also have LUNATICS for leaders. I can’t help wonder what some of our lunatic leaders will think when they hear the IDIOTIC call to prayer 5 times a day over their NEIGHBORHOOD loudspeaker.( AWOOOO ABBAHHHHH,ALLLAAHHH,BAWAAAHHHH,THPLPTH BURP.) PERHAPS THIS SHOULD BE AN AMENITY SOMEWHERE VERY CLOSE TO 250 GREENWOOD AVE,IN CHICAGO. Somehow I have my doubts that such a device would be operating very long in most of our urban neighborhoods.

  62. No one has had the determination and fortitude as Orlytaitzesq,.,raised under communism,so she knows what it’s about.So I say let those that believe what she believes and has the guts to go after those crooks,call her up.I have never seen anyone with the courage and the endless hrs she has spent on trying to get this corrupt system to listen to her.,one hell of a patriot.If only there were more of her.Her style may be different ,but she gives it her Allllllllll The stamina is remarkable!,

  63. Interested Bystander,For great reporting on Benghazi lies and explanation
    Must read. http://www.canadafreepress.com over 100 hrs of interviews
    Must pass on.

  64. CW…………..
    Like IB I too have my beliefs, and like IB I too thank you for tolerating my sometimes ACID remarks. Have a great day everybody! I’M OUT OF HERE! BYE BYE.

  65. Is Linda Joy Adams over at drkatesview the same Linda Joy Adams that claims she knows that ovomit was born in Topeka, KS and that is where the BC is? She also claims that Orly knows this and has ignored it! Check out the comments on this article here: http://www.westernjournalism.com/obama-felony-fraud-proven

    Snip: This proves the fraud committed by the one that created the whole fake bio in the first place, his maternal grandmother. This is what happens when one is never told the truth of their birth. Sheemy eyewitness account on my sites and 9/14/12 is posted my affidavit with the State of Ks secretary of state Kris Kobach who may be he only one that has the real evidence of birth,marriage to Obama Sr after death f real DAD B\ALL BEFORE BIRTH , AND ALL I SHAWNEE COUNTY Ks. THE COURT CASE IS STILL PENDING. and Orly Tait will not ask for the court order to settle all this. To unravel this best is start at the beginning in Topeka KS. Sec of St. Kris Kobach has been chastised all over since for saying he was eligible to be on the ballot to the judge, but he can;t say why! needs President Obama release or a court order. Then the real question is when did he know and what did he forge or falsify after that? Some of these felonies have passed the statute of limitations to charge anyone. This is not meant to be a political endorsement. There are three dead in a racial hate crime on the banks of the Kansas river and no justice for 50 years. The other victims, the President, unborn, and his mother were only wanted ‘shut up ‘ by authorities and if the bodes had not washed up later on , no one would ever have known. She died, witness to the three deaths and subject to be called if ever a trial. There were no civil rights laws, no witness protection program and a hot war against integration going that was kept hidden from view, unlike in the deeper south where it was clearly known and understood. Starting 7/26/12 and in my daily recaps since I have tried to explain how one could be president and not know who he was. O 1. An era of real terror in this nation has been forgotten and was just as real as 9/11 kind of attacks and no one investigated or did anything. very common for families to flee, take new ids and not tell their children as this is and has been generational. 2. Dad’s family history of fake Ids and cover up for a hundred years. Ann couldn’t even find her dad;relatives to help her as she didn’t even know the family name was Pope and not Dunham due to influence of her mother over whom she had gotten to know. Daniel Wayne Pope, my cousin, stole Stanley Dunham’s wallet to go to WWII when too young, and not to steal money.. Ks authorities verified all this. Fred Phelps had gdnshp of her as her mother’s relatives at westboro Baptist church and where she was sent to go to Capper Jr HS and could not get registered at Toepka HS until my mother and I went over and go the papers signed over form him. where were her parents? always was hush m hush govt business.
    I had one chance in 1/71 to speak to him about Topeka ks and his real dad and his maternal grandmother stopped me. I apologize to the President and to the world for all this intrigue. Sometimes one does need to overcome their own family and let the truth out. But one defers to the immediate family to decide and he was still a child. never had a real chance after that as only saw him in group settings and did not realize he was until he had left. without a chance for a conversation. I e-mailed my postings to white house and campaign but have no idea if he ever got them. I don;t think so as the campaign began printing up mugs with the fake Hawaii birth records on it recorded by his grandmother by fall of 1963? after Ann graduated form mercer island HS and left for college in Hawaii. personally, my opinion is that hi rnaternal grandmother was hiding her own shame of her KKK deep southern roots more than the need for all the obfuscation. yet his real Dad has extended family and may not have known Ann was pregnant when he ‘disappeared.’ he was living with hie grandmother as his Dad was in military service. its time for the WHOLE TRUTH AND LET THE FACTS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES. Linda Joy Adams

  66. saskamare
    …this reeks of the all-too-familiar odor, of herring ….

  67. The following explains at least to me what Zero and the Dems are really “up to” re. fiscal matters:

    COMING: ‘$3 TRILLION TAX INCREASE ON MIDDLE CLASS’
    Norquist: Dems offer distractions before making demands for ‘serious revenue’

    (quote)
    “This is just the first act of a two- or three-act play,” Norquist said in an exclusive interview with WND.

    Norquist, president and founder of Americans for Tax Reform, said the first act “is to get congressional Republicans to put their fingerprints on what amounts to a minor tax increase.”

    “After raising taxes on the rich a little bit, the Democrats will come back for serious tax revenue,” he said.
    “In acts two and three, the Democrats will come back for the real money – an energy tax and a value-added tax that will impact everybody, especially the middle class.”

    Norquist insisted Democrats in Congress and the establishment press are playing an elaborate game designed to blame Republicans for budget deficits and keep serious discussion of spending cuts and entitlement reform off the table.

    “Congressional Democrats know raising taxes on the rich will not produce enough tax revenue to reduce significantly the trillion-dollar annual budget deficits being run by the Obama White House,” he said.

    “The reason the Democrats scream ‘tax the rich, tax the rich,’ is because they are going to pivot very soon to place a 3 trillion-dollar tax increase on the middle class, and they want ringing in the public’s ears that there wouldn’t have had to do this if the Republicans in Congress had acted right away to place a decent size tax on the rich.”

    http://www.wnd.com/2012/12/coming-3-trillion-tax-increase-on-middle-class/

  68. Hi Cabby,

    If that happens, I’ll direct my human resources division to up my ‘dependants’ to the max on both state and federal withholding.

    If we all do the same, the beast will be starved. One or two of us may go to jail however, 50,000,000 of us will not.

    If that doesn’t work, it’s time to lock and load.

  69. protectourcivilrightsfreedoms

    “EXCLUSIVE: ANDREA KING SAYS THREAT HAS REACHED CRITICAL TURNING POINT”
    “AMERICANS MUST STOP U.N. FROM NET CONTROL”

    By Andrea Shea King
    Published Monday, December 3, 2012

    “The United Nations wants to control the Internet completely!” the CAA insisted. “So much that they want a ‘kill switch’ to shut down parts or even the entire Internet at their whim.”

    So here’s the deal if you want to protect the freedoms we enjoy on the ‘Net from dictatorships and statists “who want to siphon money from it to enlarge their own treasuries.”

    You must call, e-mail, write, or visit your tax-paid representative in Congress – you know, the one who works for you – and tell him or her to stand up to the United Nations’ Internet power grab and defend our Internet freedom for we, the people. Demand they put a halt to the U.N. providing for Obama what he himself wants, an Internet “kill switch.”

    For More Information ~ Continue Reading Here:

    http://www.wnd.com/2012/12/americans-must-stop-u-n-from-net-control/?cat_orig=world

  70. protectourcivilrightsfreedoms

    “IMPEACH OBAMA FOR TREASON”

    “EXCLUSIVE: TOM TANCREDO SAYS BENGHAZI AMOUNTS TO GIVING ‘AID AND COMFORT TO ENEMY'”

    By Tom Tancredo
    Published 11/02/2012

    http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/impeach-obama-for-treason

    * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

    “FROM THE FOUNDER OF THE TEA PARTY NATION ATTORNEY JUDSON PHILLIPS”

    Judson Phillips
    December 2, 2012

    Check out the blog post:

    “TIME TO TAKE A STAND AGAINST TYRANNY”

    by KrisAnne Hall

    “NOW IS THE TIME TO ACT. Obama has made direct threats against States who FOLLOW THE SUPREME COURT ruling and refuse to establish exchanges…”

    Blog post link: “TIME TO TAKE A STAND AGAINST TYRANNY”

    http://www.teapartynation.com/profiles/blog/show?id=3355873%3ABlogPost%3A2346207&xgs=1&xg_source=msg_share_post

    From: http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=363946

    PLEASE SHARE & SEND THIS OUTSTANDING INFORMATION TO ALL CONGRESS PEOPLE & ALL USA AMERICAN CITIZENS FAR & WIDE!!

    PLEASE GET ON BOARD AND PLEASE JOIN THIS PEACEFUL TAKE A STAND AGAINST TYRANNY STRONG USA AMERICAN CITIZEN’S MOVEMENT TODAY!!! PLEASE JOIN NOW!!!! TAKE ACTIONS NOW!!!!

    * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

    “BREAKING NEWS – REAL REASON FOR BENGHAZI COVER UP – EXECUTIVE ORDER 13491″

    Dr. Laurie Roth
    Published November 16th, 2012

    http://therothshow.com/2012/11/breaking-news-real-reason-for-benghazi-cover-up-executive-order-13491/

  71. protectourcivilrightsfreedoms

    Sat, 25 August 2012

    “VISION OF YOURSELF, YOUR MINISTRY AND FUTURE”

    Email this message to a friend in need.

    Tell your friends about the Prince Handley podcast.

    Direct download: PRINCE-2012-08-25-055.mp3

    From: VICTORY & SUCCESS IN LIFE

    http://princehandley.libsyn.com/

    Excellent podcast. You can be the victor and not the victim!! Be careful what you put before your eyes….

    * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

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    Here’s a principle that will enable you to see many daily #MIRACLES: “The Starter.” By Prince Handley http://uofe.org/012_-_the_starter.html

  72. SueK | December 3, 2012 at 10:12 pm |
    Hi Cabby,

    If that happens, I’ll direct my human resources division to up my ‘dependants’ to the max on both state and federal withholding.

    If we all do the same, the beast will be starved. One or two of us may go to jail however, 50,000,000 of us will not.
    *****************************
    Hi Sue,
    The problem that we will face, if the Dems continue their spree, is that the taxes on the middle and lower income classes will be obscured, i.e., in the form of hidden energy taxes and, perhaps, a value-added tax, the most deadly of all. Whatever we must buy will come at a much higher price.
    Tea Party II will have to go into full speed.

  73. Good morning Zach, et al.

  74. What we REALLY need to put a stop to is the UN taking control of the entire US soveriegnty,or the US internet. The ILLEGAL BASTARD in the WH is trying to put everything under UN control including our Constitutional rights. Sit on your butts and do nothing and it will be YOU who will be WHINING like a whipped cur AFTER THE FACT.

  75. If, and I mean IF we could get ALL of the conservative talk show radio hosts to play this, “If I were the Devil” by Paul Harvey in place of their non-paying ad times, every single one of their broadcast days, I truly believe it would make a difference, especially if the DATE of this broadcast was displayed (about 1965?). Maybe it’s hopeful thinking, but…….who knows? It’s hard not to listen to this message and not equate it to what has been happening today.

    http://www.youtube.com:80/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=H3Az0okaHig

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