Obama Nazi drone program, Citizen Wells invites ideas to neutralize drones, Neutralize Aerial Zoom Intimidation or NAZI, Share ideas to neutralize drones

Obama Nazi drone program, Citizen Wells invites ideas to neutralize drones, Neutralize Aerial Zoom Intimidation or NAZI, Share ideas to neutralize drones

“One more thing: Why is the federal government buying so much hollow point ammunition, purchasing light armored vehicles, spying with drones and claiming the right to kill Americans with drones, and trying to pass legislation to disarm citizens? Does any of this make sense? How about two words: National Socialism.”…Dean M., Citizen Wells commenter

“Germans who wish to use firearms should join the SS or the SA – ordinary citizens don’t need guns, as their having guns doesn’t serve the State.”…Heinrich Himmler

“The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference – they deserve a place of honor with all that’s good”…George Washington

With all of the controversy, warnings from people Like Rand Paul and the increasing spectre of drones being used to kill US citizens on US soil, my friends, associates and I have been brain storming about ways to neutralize these threats. After all, we have a right and a duty to protect ourselves.

I have a new name for this initiative:

Neutralize
Aerial
Zoom
Intimidation

or NAZI for short.

Just this morning, one of the great commenters at Citizen Wells provided some advice on how to implement a classic response to attack.

From oldsailor80

“If you are fortunate enough to live through an attack from a drone you are legally justified in most states to fire upon anyone,or anything that is attacking you with a lethal weapon. If the attack is from a drone then you will probably need a .50 cal.M-82 Barrets rifle. Then hopefully you will be proficient at shooting at moving targets. While I am not aware of the airspeed of drones,I would still advise to lead the target in the direction it is flying by approx 1 length of it’s fueslage. If it is flying at a higher airspeed you will need greater lead.”

I and some of my associates have come up with some more advanced solutions which will obviously not be shared at this time.

I am certain that the creative juices have been flowing elsewhere.

Please feel free to share your ideas.

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71 responses to “Obama Nazi drone program, Citizen Wells invites ideas to neutralize drones, Neutralize Aerial Zoom Intimidation or NAZI, Share ideas to neutralize drones

  1. CW,
    I’m at foggy bottom when it comes to any initiative re. drone protection but do want to share this.
    A good friend of mine told me that his son, who has a home inspection business, can acquire for $300 a drone suited for looking down chimneys, roofs, etc., which he is going to acquire to make his job easier. Of course, the altitude is limited, but my point is that drones are fast becoming adapted to commercial use.

    Can one imagine what the skies will be looking like? All sizes, shapes, and capabilities? With this type of scenario, how will we be able to know who is friend or foe (the latter mostly the feds now)?

    This is an increasingly complicated technological development.

  2. This reminds of me a time in the US Army when I was stationed at Fort Hood with the 2nd ADA. In a theater full of troops they showed us a film on the latest Russian tank models. They had the capability of snorkling using their barrels. There are a 1000 rivers between Moscow and Berlin. These tanks could cross the rivers, going under water and snorkling, using their barrels for air. How are we going to stop the new Russian tanks, the OIC asked?

    The film was very intimidating, showing the Russian tank capabilities. It was frightening. But I was utterly amazed at all the creative ideas on how to stop these tanks. Unbelievable, the ingenuity! “That is why America is such a great country–it promotes individual creativity,” I thought to myself.

    We’ll stop these drones and the people who want to use them.

  3. Has this been posted before? If so, sorry.
    (quote)
    Recently uncovered government documents reveal that the U.S. Department of Homeland Security’s (DHS) unmanned Predator B drone fleet has been custom designed to identify civilians carrying guns and track cell phone signals.

    “I am very concerned that this technology will be used against law-abiding American firearms owners,” said founder and executive vice president of the Second Amendment Foundation, Alan Gottlieb. “This could violate Fourth Amendment rights as well as Second Amendment rights.”

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/03/05/Homeland-Security-Drones-Designed-To-Identify-Civilians-Carrying-Guns

  4. citizenwells

    cabbyaz.
    The new SDI.
    Perhaps we can put people to work with this.
    Another Obama economy push like guns & ammo.

  5. citizenwells

    PS shoot & ask questions later.

  6. White House, Holder respond to Rand Paul: ‘The answer is no’

    http://washingtonexaminer.com/white-house-holder-respond-to-rand-paul-the-answer-is-no/article/2523555

    (quote)
    Carney added that, “if the United States were under attack, there were an imminent threat,” the president has the authority to protect the country from that assault.
    ***********************************
    That above statement is less than reassuring, because as most of us are aware, he could create a false flag whenever he chose and use it as a provocation to get rid of some on his enemies’ list. You can’t trust a dictator. That’s the problem.

  7. 4,080 feet per second muzzle velocity with 2,033 ft pounds of energy should get a drone’s attention
    30-06 Sprg.® Ammo 55 gr 4,080 2,033

  8. You might want to do a double take when you’re out birdwatching…or before you swat that mosquito, and in swarms too:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2281403/U-S-Air-Force-developing-terrifying-swarms-tiny-unmanned-drones-hover-crawl-kill-targets.html

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2013802/U-S-military-drones-small-look-like-insects.html

    http://gawker.com/5855760/terrifying-robot-bird-drones-may-join-us-air-force

    Aren’t lot of these things dependent upon satellites? Perhaps some of those “swarming” comets/asteroids or sunspots will solve the problem!

  9. WHERE IN THE HOLY HELL WAS JAN BREWER ON THIS ONE !!!!

    On February 20, 2013, the Tucson, Arizona City Council passed a resolution allowing the U.S. Air Force to “make appropriate decisions when balancing National Security and community needs when it comes to their existing and future military mission and assignments.”

    In other words, the resolution allows the military to reject decisions made by the people of Tucson.

    The resolution is posted on the Tucson government website (as of this writing) and further states that it “is necessary for the preservation of the peace, health and safety of the City of Tucson that this Resolution become immediately effective, an emergency is hereby declared to exist and this Resolution shall be effective immediately upon its passage and adoption.”

    In short, the Council has imposed what for all practical purposes is a declaration of MARTIAL LAW on the residents of Tucson.

    Tucson is a city of 520,000 people. I hope the people fight this because its unconstitutional. Is Gov Jan Brewer asleep at the wheel again?

    Is this a test run for the rest of America?

  10. CW , (1:22 pm)

    Wow! there is so much alphabet soup around I had to look up SDI, which is way above my pay grade. :) You hi-techie geniuses will have to take on that project. More power to you and your friends, and Godspeed!!

  11. CABBYAZ…..

    Do you have any more info on this?

  12. The RINOs finally get an opening with the public…via all those “Stand with Rand” tweets, etc., backing Rand and they still won’t take advantage of the opportunity. It’s pretty obvious whose side they’re on….or that Zero has some incriminating info/pictures.

    Graham, McCain blast Paul filibuster

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2013/mar/7/graham-mccain-blast-paul-filibuster/

  13. “Graham, McCain blast Paul filibuster”

    “Speaking to reporters after he came off the floor Wednesday, Mr. Graham said he defends Mr. Paul’s right to ask questions and seek answers, but said the filibuster has actually pushed him to now support Mr. Brennan.

    Mr. Graham said he had been inclined to oppose the nomination because he’d found Brennan to be qualified for the job but also “arrogant, kind of a bit shifty.” He said he wasn’t going to filibuster him but would have voted against him on final passage, but now he’ll vote for him.

    “I am going to vote for Brennan now because it’s become a referendum on the drone program,” he said.”

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2013/mar/7/graham-mccain-blast-paul-filibuster/

  14. RMinNC | March 7, 2013 at 2:18 pm |
    RM, I read that the other day and called a friend in Tucson who absolutely confirmed exactly what you have reported. It is outrageous indeed!

    Lately we have been seeing a number of states acting on their own and passing very restrictive gun laws, for example. Of course, there are some in the other direction, too.

    However, I see a potentially dangerous trend developing among the states. Although I believe fully in states’ rights, our enemies are attacking more and more at the state level and, in effect, trying to undermine the U.S. Constitution.

    Another observation: States like Colorado and Oregon were once conservative, but because of the influx from liberal states like California, the power centers of those once conservative states are being controlled by libs and in great quantities. Arizona has been conservative, but now we have the heavy influence of liberal hispanic leaders (Obots), so it is hard to tell how long before we will be outnumbered. Californians also like AZ.

    I’ve given up on Gov. Brewer a long time ago. She is strictly a politician seeking reelection. There doesn’t seem to be much “core value”.

  15. And Mr. Graham, why shouldn’t it become a referendum on the drone program……how would you like to be fired up by on of those hell-fire drones sitting in your home in Columbia at the breakfast table…..?

    McCain and Graham are turncoats…always have been…always will be…whichever way the wind blows, thats their motto

    .Is it any wonder why people are turned off by both parties in this country…..one will say jump…the other says how high !.

  16. RMinNC | March 7, 2013 at 2:19 pm |
    CABBYAZ…..

    Do you have any more info on this?
    ****************************************
    RM, I think you’re referring to the Eric Holder “no”?
    Here is the short article itself:

    Attorney General Eric Holder wrote Sen. Rand Paul,R-Ky., to confirm that President Obama does not have the authority to kill an American on U.S. soil in a non-combat situation, Obama’s spokesman announced today.

    White House Press Secretary Jay Carney quoted from the letter that Holder sent to Paul today. “Does the president have the authority to use a weaponized drone to kill an American not engaged in combat on an American soil?” Holder wrote, per Carney. “The answer is no.”

    Carney added that, “if the United States were under attack, there were an imminent threat,” the president has the authority to protect the country from that assault.

    Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., criticized Paul for posing the question. “I find the question offensive,” he said on the Senate floor this morning.

  17. CABBYAZ….thanks for the confirmation…if that isn’t MARTIAL LAW on the local level what is?.

    Yes it seems more every day the individual states are falling in line lockstep with this gang fro Chicago….and it’s the states that I would have thought would never have caved in.

    Our country is decaying from the inside out….if they can take the states and local governments out…..the rest will be easy for them.

  18. citizenwells

    I have had it with both of them.
    McCain must be senile & Graham is an idiot.

  19. Perhaps the RINOs, by imploding, will do the party a favor and finally push the faithful to form a new party with definite values and goals. Like Obama being responsible for destroying the country, they will have the reputation for destroying their own. What a legacy!

  20. CABBYAZ….you wrote at 2:19pm

    RM, I think you’re referring to the Eric Holder “no”?
    Here is the short article itself:
    ————————————————————————————————

    NO I was referning to the article posted by GORDO at 2:23pm above.

  21. I guess McRino somehow doesn’t consider scaring the American people and causing them to be collateral damage in the safety of their own houses or neighborhoods to be “torture”.

    Brave New World….how “toys” turned on their owners!

  22. AMEN to that CW………shall we call them dumb and dumber?

  23. “Carney says Attorney General Eric Holder sent the letter to Paul Thursday afternoon, though the senator’s office says it has yet to receive it.”

    http://washingtonexaminer.com/white-house-discloses-limits-on-drone-usage/article/feed/2077669

    It’s in the mail…

  24. coldwarvet2

    First off…my Barrett rifle that I have been toting around lately while hunting drones, at 30 lbs.( not counting the ammo), is getting a bit tiresome and inconvenient….not to mention the fact that I’m beginning to accumulate a lot of odd stares from by-standers wondering what I have been up to (we have open carry here). I think I even saw a drone the other day….about the size of a mosquito at 10,000 feet, and at that, it was coming down from it’s operational altitude of 20,000 feet. I don’t know if it was armed or not. Considering the fact that my Barrett only has an effective range of 2000 yards (6000 feet horizontally), (granted that’s a lot of football fields,I felt it would be a waste of my VERY expensive ammo to even attempt a shot.
    It might be easier to find out who does the refueling of the drones and maybe for a hundred bucks or so, get them to add a little naptha, acetone, or benzine to the fuel and burn that engine up at altitude the next time she flies. I guarantee it would take the operators a long while to figure out what was wrong.
    My point in all this, is that one must evaluate the threat, then form some kind of reasonable or do-able plan to counter it. As civilians, we don’t have the capability to counter such a threat as a drone in the air so…where is it the most vulnerable as far as we are concerned?…obviously,on the ground! As in most other types of a-symetrical warfare (which we can now consider ourselves engaged in)( a-symetrical is seldom declared) there are myriad solutions available. If the threat is evaluated as high tech…then consider a low tech solution…and vice-versa.
    As proven in the VietNam theater, low tech works exceedingly well when faced with an enemy tied to a high tech approach. The only time it didn’t work out for the other side was when they attempted to match us at the limits of their own technology (Tet offensive)…in which they were about 15 or so years behind….considering they were borrowing from the commies…who were about 15 years behind.
    The tanks DHS is purchasing are wheeled vehicles….as we do not possess anti-tank weapons…let’s just imagine them on their top…low tech solution….
    they contain combatants….imagine them with a chain around them securing the exits from outside…again, low tech…
    These are merely examples, taken off the top of my head…I’m certain that, given somewhat of a guideline, that others here can be far more creative… it is well to now be cognizant of the fact that the gauntlet has already been presented by this government, whereby the intended use of the machinery currently being procured, is projected to be against the domestic population in a way which can only be assessed as hostile, lethal, and illegal in nature.

  25. What a disappointment, McCain and Graham! They are brainwashed to fall for the “national security” trump card, as are most of the GOP, to include Talk Radio. It is demoralizing. They have all become part of the Ministry of Truth dominated by the Ministry of Love (CIA, FBI, Homeland Security, etc).

    In Orwell’s 1984 the government apparatus was divided into four Ministries:

    “The Ministry of Truth, which concerned itself with news, entertainment, education and fine arts. The Ministry of Peace, which concerned itself with war. The Ministry of Love, which maintained law and order. And the Ministry of Plenty, which was responsible for economic affairs.”

    Kerry replaced Hillary Clinton as chief of the Ministry of Truth. Hagel is now chief of the Ministry of Peace. And Brennan is about to take over the Ministry of Love. Jack Lew is head of the Ministry of Plenty. And B-oBama is Big-Brother and he is watching you.

  26. THIS IS A SAD BUT TRUE STORY

    Reggie – A Black Lab
    They told me the big black Lab’s name was Reggie, as I looked at him lying in his pen. The shelter was clean, no-kill, and the people really friendly.

    I’d only been in the area for six months, but everywhere I went in the small college town, people were welcoming and open. Everyone waves when you pass them on the street.

    But something was still missing as I attempted to settle in to my new life here, and I thought a dog couldn’t hurt. Give me someone to talk to. And I had just seen Reggie’s advertisement on the local news. The shelter said they had received numerous calls right after, but they said the people who had come down to see him just didn’t look like “Lab people,” whatever that meant. They must’ve thought I did.

    But at first, I thought the shelter had misjudged me in giving me Reggie and his things, which consisted of a dog pad, bag of toys almost all of which were brand new tennis balls, his dishes, and a sealed letter from his previous owner.

    See, Reggie and I didn’t really hit it off when we got home. We struggled for two weeks (which is how long the shelter told me to give him to adjust to his new home). Maybe it was the fact that I was trying to adjust, too. Maybe we were too much alike.

    I saw the sealed envelope. I had completely forgotten about that. “Okay, Reggie,” I said out loud, “let’s see if your previous owner has any advice.”
    _______________

    “To Whomever Gets My Dog”

    Well, I can’t say that I’m happy you’re reading this, a letter I told the shelter could only be opened by Reggie’s new owner. I’m not even happy writing it.”

    He knew something was different.

    “So let me tell you about my Lab in the hopes that it will help you bond with him and he with you. First, he loves tennis balls. The more the merrier. Sometimes I think he’s part squirrel, the way he hoards them. He usually always has two in his mouth, and he tries to get a third in there. Hasn’t done it yet. Doesn’t matter where you throw them, he’ll bound after them, so be careful. Don’t do it by any roads.”

    “Next, commands. Reggie knows the obvious ones —”sit,” “stay,” “come,” “heel.” He knows hand signals, too. He knows “ball” and “food” and “bone” and “treat” like nobody’s business. Feeding schedule: twice a day, regular store-bought stuff; the shelter has the brand.

    “He’s up on his shots. Be forewarned – Reggie hates the vet. Good luck getting him in the car. I don’t know how he knows when it’s time to go to the vet, but he knows.

    “Finally, give him some time. It’s only been Reggie and me for his whole life. He’s gone everywhere with me, so please include him on your daily car rides if you can. He sits well in the backseat and he doesn’t bark or complain. He just loves to be around people, and me most especially.”

    “And that’s why I need to share one more bit of info with you. His name’s not Reggie. He’s a smart dog; he’ll get used to it and will respond to it. Of that I have no doubt, but I just couldn’t bear to give them his real name. But if someone is reading this … well, it means that his new owner should know his real name. His real name is “Tank” – because, that is what I drive.

    “I told the shelter that they couldn’t make “Reggie” available for adoption until they received word from my company commander.

    “You see, my parents are gone. I have no siblings, no one I could’ve left Tank with … and it was my only real request of the Army upon my deployment to Iraq, that they make one phone call to the shelter … in the “event” … to tell them that Tank could be put up for adoption.

    “Luckily, my CO is a dog-guy, too, and he knew where my platoon was headed. He said he’d do it personally. And if you’re reading this, then he made good on his word.

    Tank has been my family for the last six years, almost as long as the Army has been my family. And now I hope and pray that you make him part of your family, too, and that he will adjust and come to love you the same way he loved me.

    “If I have to give up Tank to keep those terrible people from coming to the US , then I am glad to have done so. He is my example of service and of love. I hope I honored him by my service to my country and comrades.

    “All right, that’s enough. I deploy this evening and have to drop this letter off at the shelter. Maybe I’ll peek in on him and see if he finally got that third tennis ball in his mouth.

    “Good luck with Tank. Give him a good home and give him an extra kiss goodnight – every night – from me.

    Thank you,
    Paul Mallory”
    ____________________

    I folded the letter and slipped it back in the envelope. Sure, I had heard of Paul Mallory. Everyone in town knew him, even new people like me. Local kid, killed in Iraq a few months ago and posthumously earning the Silver Star when he gave his life to save three buddies. Flags had been at half-mast all summer.

    I leaned forward in my chair and rested my elbows on my knees, staring at the dog. “Hey, Tank,” I said quietly. The dog’s head whipped up, his ears cocked and his eyes bright. “C’mere boy.”

    He was instantly on his feet, his nails clicking on the hardwood floor. He sat in front of me, his head tilted, searching for the name he hadn’t heard in months. “Tank,” I whispered.

    His tail swished. I kept whispering his name, over and over, and each time, his ears lowered, his eyes softened, and his posture relaxed as a wave of contentment just seemed to flood him. I stroked his ears, rubbed his shoulders, buried my face into his scruff and hugged him.

    “It’s me now, Tank, just you and me. Your old pal gave you to me.”Tank reached up and licked my cheek.

    “So whatdaya say we play some ball?” His ears perked again. “Yeah? Ball? You like that? Ball?”

    Tank tore from my hands and disappeared into the next room. And when he came back, he had three tennis balls in his mouth.
    ——————————————————————————————
    If you can read this without getting a lump in your throat or a tear in your eye, you just ain’t right.
    ——————————————————————————————-
    “The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him.”

    –G. K. Chesterton

    —————————————————————————————-
    SOME GAVE ALL

  27. RM,
    Tears flowing.

  28. RMinNC — The quote from Chesterton is really true.

    Just came from checking Drudge. I am so, so disappointed in McCain and Graham. They had seemed strong on the Benghazi questioning, but where did that go? So while Rand Paul was doing the filibuster, they were dining with Obama? What a betrayal, not to mention their condescending remarks towards Senator Paul. It is hard for me to hold back a long list of Yiddish curses. May all their teeth fall out but one, and may that one hurt like hell!

  29. RM, I came on here to comment about Lindsey Graham but got side-tracked by your Reggie post. Oh my, did the tears ever flow!! I had heard that story before, but it still got to me.
    Anyway, just wanted to say that I am so glad that Graham spoke out against Rand Paul – because ole Lindsey is up for reelection next year and this will seal the deal that someone else will be filling his place in DC. He isn’t that well-liked anyway around here and this will be a good reminder in 2014 for anyone but Graham!!

  30. coldwarvet2 — You are really right about low tech in Vietnam. It worked really well for them. They were able to do amazing things, including placing regular gun sites on surface to air missiles and hitting the target. American ingenuity can do the same and even better.

  31. DEAN…..

    Everything I put on CW is true my friend….

  32. My last post, I left out a word, “launch-site,” SAM launch-sites–they put gun sights on their SAM launch sites for when their radar tracking was down and blew some of our aircraft out of the air manually–tracking by sight.

  33. RMinNC — I wasn’t questioning. I just couldn’t comment on the story. It is too sad.

  34. Yes I understand DEAN…I didnt mean my comment in a bad light…..This story is true only if the reader wants it too be true…..

    As an old soldier, it’s true to me.

  35. I say this LOUD and CLEAR, and I want it remembered on CW in the coming days and months:

    THE SENATE WILL LIVE TO REGRET THE DAY THEY CONFIRMED JOHN BRENNAN AS THE CIA DIRECTOR.

    Within six months , John Brnenan’s true nature will be exposed for the whole world to see……my only hope is that the Republic is still standing before that happens.

  36. coldwarvet2

    DeanM.
    To give a little credit where credit is due… communist blocAK47 assault rifle …ultra-simple, unstoppable, and worked essentially flawlessly throughout the communist campaign in VietNam…..American lowest-bidder, corruption- inspired M16…near total disaster…and to this day has proven unreliability in a sustained firefight….
    communist bloc Mig 15 fighter leftover from the Korean war…simple, relatively reliable low tech fighter plane gave the North VietNamese air superiority during the majority of the VietNam conflict. US F102, US F4 Phantom, US A4, all technically superior but lost many a dogfight to the Mig.
    Another reason the North shut off their ground to air missile radar was the US Dragon, or Shrike missiles which locked on to the radar beam of the missile site….how about punji stakes?…about as low tech as it gets….toe popper mines made of wood boxes…indetectable….tunnel systems to move troops through (would work great against drones I’ll bet)…
    Well…just some observations but, in effect, lessons learned, which have been perpetuated in battle immemorial. It appears that a few new ideas can be added to the mix as well, by recently returning veterans from the middle eastern theaters….although I don’t believe that the middle easterners are anywhere near as crafty an enemy as were the residents of southeast asia.

  37. Thornton Parsons

    RM, that story truly touched my heart. I guess it hasn’t been completely hardened by the libtards. I’m glad I had tissues handy.

  38. March 7, 2013

    “Malware attack poses as security warning from Microsoft Digital Crimes Unit”

    “Here’s what today’s spammed-out email, which uses the subject line “Security”, looks like:

    [go to link]

    Attached to the email is a file called Microsoft_STF_install.zip. And, according to the above email, “all users of the internet” should run the program to validate “there” (sic) email account.

    Sounds serious, right?

    Well, hopefully most of you will be rightly suspicious (even if it didn’t contain spelling mistakes) of the unsolicited email and too wise to blindly run a program just because of instructions which claim to come from Microsoft.

    Sophos products detect the attached file as the Troj/Agent-AANA Trojan horse.”

    http://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2013/03/07/malware-attack-microsoft-digital-crimes/

  39. coldwarvet2…..

    Want to now something about punji stakes? I had three tours in Nam as a ground pounding infantry officer…..in just a few words…they were low tech but highly effective, especially in the rainy season.

  40. THORNTON PARSONS……..

    Yes… I know what you mean…it brought some wetness to this old soldiers eyes too…..it’s always the young guys with everything to live for……

  41. I just read on DRUDGE where they are going to EMBALM the body of Hugo Chevez and place him on display like they did with LENIN…….who they finally buried after 70+years..

    Boy they are sure taking that communist stuff serious in Venezuela…..I wonder how long it will take to bury Hugo….maybe after the people catch on to the two billion he has stolen from them?

    Obama says he’s sending a delegation. I hope it’s Dingy Harry and Dopy Nancy and I hope they want to keep them down there !

  42. The more sound bites I hear from John McCain today, the more he utterly disgusts me! And Lindsey Graham too! I’m beginning to think that there was a lot more to that dinner with the Great and Powerful “O” last night than we’ll ever know. Possibly a little blackmail? Were these 12 Republicans picked for a reason? Why were two of them so vocal in trashing Rand Paul today?

    Wasn’t it Maxine Waters that said “The President has put in place a kind of organization that contains a database that no one has ever seen in life”?

  43. Mr. Wells

    For several days now when I come to your site your capital letters of your header and all of the posters dates and times are jumbled up symbols, etc. When I move my curcer they go away. hmmmm

    [examples]…… rt. and lf. arrows….. stars …push pens…check marks…magnify glass.etc!

    Weird

  44. coldwarvet2

    RMinNC
    My point exactly…sometimes the wall looks impenetrable
    …until you really look at it…
    I feel the administration is playing a game of high stakes poker with the populace that cares (and matters) one upmanship, or “brinkmanship” as it is sometimes referred to….we really don’t know for absolute sure if these orders that are being leaked by the government are even true…but one thing we DO know is that it is really putting the spurs to us….THEY know that we are many and if pushed far enough, we WILL fight back…and they keep pulling up just short of an actual confrontation which, in the present political climate, will have drastic international implications.
    My sole purpose in posting here (and elsewhere) is to let them know that we are indeed watching them and will ultimately have a counter for each and every game piece they can conjure the nerve to play…my guess is that it is going to cost us a hell of a lot less than it is conceiveably going to cost them///and besides…we will still be holding the moral high ground which I believe is going to be key …we can fight a lot harder mad than they can scared…

  45. SueQ,
    I feel the same way as you about last night’s din-din…… I faxed off a short note of disgust to Graham and called McCain’s office strongly expressing my anger over his nasty comments. This is certainly separating the RINOs from the real deal.
    I had the filibuster on for about seven hours last evening, and it was the best Senate session ever seen for many years. This could be used to separate the wheat from the shaft. (The young bucks vs. the old bulls)

  46. Back to that dinner………..

    They’re all chumps! All 12 of them! While Rand Paul was on the floor for 13 hours, trying to convince the American public how precious our Constitutional rights are………..they were getting their marching orders from Beelzebub………….at a 5 star restaurant…………with a 20 limousine entourage……….yes, that’s right.

    What did RP eat? I think a candy bar and an apple.

    Shame, shame, shame……………..they make me sick.

  47. coldwarvet2

    Ginger
    Sometimes, when you see that, try your “refresh” button…

  48. CABBYAZ and SUEQ………..

    Reference your 8:01pm and 8:03pm……..

    My grandmother always said, “BIRDS OF A FEATHER FLOCK TOGETHER”

    All we have in Washington now are birds of a feather….”dingybirds”…no wings, and no brains

  49. oldsailor80

    Coldwarvet………….
    I have forgotten the speeds of the various missiles after they are launched, but an air to ground strike upon a house would probably be a missile travelling at Mach 3 or greater. If the missile originates from 20,000 ft,you have only SECONDS to act. So I would advise you to be somewhere else to begin with when the missile is fired. Preferrably many miles away. Then make sure that your car or truck isn’t carrying a hidden GPS MARKER. If you have GM ON STAR,you might want to disable it. Likewise with Ford,and several others which now carry the sealed BLACK BOXES.

  50. yes , stop sending in your money to the federal government NOW !! EVERYONE !! protest !!

  51. oldsailor80

    Coldwarvet………..
    At present it would seem that we have little defense against incoming air mail, of a third kind…….but I do not sell the inginuity of the American people short particularly when push comes to shove,and those who know how to IMPROVISE begin doing just that. Sooner or later the drones will become useless because somebody will figure out a way to negate their presence, perhaps even devise a way to electronically explode all of the onboard ordnance, before it can be launched. I have always held that NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE……it only requires someone to figure out how to do it. At this very moment the NERDISH kid down the street might very well be that person.

  52. oldsailor80

    Daverg……….
    Nice to hear from you once again. Yes you are absolutely right. If 330,000,000 people would refuse to pay Federal income taxes for one year the fed would be bankrupt. There would not be jails enough to hold 330,000,000 people. That is what I mean when I say UNITE. If you try this as a single protester,you would find yourself in a stinking FEDERAL prison for an INDEFINITE period. But when the American people UNITE THEN ACT Eric Holder would find himself with one hell of a pissed off lion by the tail.

  53. da verg,

    Thought about that……often………for a variety of reasons. Not the least being my taxes promote abortions. The IRS is mighty powerful. I think Ann Barnhart did that and her bank account was frozen.

    Very difficult decision to make if you have others depending on you.

  54. “Bill O’Reilly Plays Birther Card In Obama Debt Debate; We Need To Wake Up?”

    http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2013/03/bill-oreilly-plays-birther-card.html

  55. oldsailor80

    I personally think that it is only a matter of time until either somebody with an ax to grind against the military or the US government itself divulges the operating frequencies of the drone radio command channels, or somebody actually hacks into them, at which point every drone worldwide could be either pointed straight down to their destruction or their directions from the pilotage so screwed up that the drone would not be controllable. In addition I have read that there is now some technology being developed which reflects the missile control marker back to it’s point of origin..in which would cause the missiles to turn around 180 degrees and lock on to their point of launch. There is still a lot of room for IMAGINATION, which can turn into IMPROVISATION. Now that RUSSIA has the technology the next generation will be the ability to FOIL EVERY DRONE ON EARTH, and I would further bet that the RUSSIANS will TELL THE WORLD how to defeat the drones. I would be the first to say that in all probability that the days of the drones are NUMBERED.

  56. coldwarvet2

    RMinNC
    Oh…I forgot to mention that…by ordering $2,000,000 worth of “no hesitation” targets (which look like you and me…and cabby and SueQ, their kids and grandchildren) the DHS has “certified” that they are not preparing to take ANY prisoners when firing from their 37,000 lb. assault vehicles with firing ports, run-flat tires, and their 1.2 billion rounds of ammunition….we understand the implications here…uh… “no hesitation”…kind of like “no anything else either”. Remember that these are only the DHS assault troops and their vehicles we are refering to here, not the balance of the DHS troops, local militarized authorities (SWAT), national guard, and so on. This, I assume, would include after they kick in the front door to your house…
    Does this not sound like war? If not…then what?…Hell, we didn’t even do this in VietNam! Well…maybe a little…but…that was war!

  57. oldsailor80

    I would further say that if IRAN can take over an inflight drone and land it then it is probably going to lose it’s potency quickly, and turn into another obsolete piece of junk. Particulary if the protection technology is perfected..

  58. coldwarvet2

    oldsailor80
    This is now the game we find ourselves in…”counter technology”…sounds downright expensive to me….equipment obsolete even before it’s deployed.
    I believe I have already determined an exceedingly simple way to disable and neutralize the new DHS tanks…I wonder if they will contain any “no hesitation targets”…I would see them more as a rolling coffin…
    It seems that those who give no mercy are always the first to ask for it…so, I assume, mercy in this coming conflict will be doled out accordingly…

  59. oldsailor80

    Coldwarvet………….
    As I stated there is recipes for C-4 on the internet and in a hell of a lot of public libraries across the country. I wonder what would happen to a DHS armored vehicle which somebody manages to stick a several pound charge of C-4 against and detonate. The guy who brought down the Murray Building in Oklahoma City, proved that almost anybody can do it. That is only ONE aspect of what the FED will be up against when,or if they begin the war against Americans. I personally think that if such a war begins it is going to be SOON, perhaps a lot sooner than anybody even realises. The fed also knows that the sooner they attack the greater is the liklihood that they will win. If this ever happens it will be the end of America, as a free country. We are getting closer and closer to SHOVE, yet NOBODY even gives a damn. Just ingest more drugs, watch porn all night, then go out and steal ,rape, murder etc, the more the merrier. In the interim we burn all of our books. I wonder if that will include all of the KOURANS? Hell the headcheese of the Dallas Fort Worth branch of CAIR has publically stated that Muslims are “ABOVE THE LAW”.

  60. There will be a time………and we will all recognize it…… when enough is enough! Don’t rush it.

  61. oldsailor80
    I see your point, but if you consider the argument from the other side …the longer they can put it off, the more force they will be able to bring to bear. This would, of course, include whatever number of arms they are able to confiscate from the other side prior. It is then we either capitulate or surrender.

  62. …meant to say…capitulate or resist…

  63. There is nothing that I have to say which will either accelerate,or in any way diminish what might be coming. I am like everyone else ONE PERSON. But there is a third potential action and from the banty roosters in North Korea. Maybe they can muster a nuclear device,and deliver it to American shores. You see they only need to find a way to tramsport the missile to a point about 800 to 1000 miles off shore of DC,and launch their missiles from on board a modified bulk carrier ship. If they were to do that then we would have Pearl Harbor all over again except that it might vaporise the WH, and everybody inside. Maybe the North Koreans do have tha capability. The worst mistake that anybody could make would be to UNDERESTIMATE the potential strength, of an existing enemy. They have had a lot of decades to improve their fighting ability. For us to laugh at them would be a really dumb thing to do. MacArthur was FIRED for wanting to fix it so that this could never happen. Had the North been neutered then it is doubtful that we would be seeing their GOOSE stepping now. I have read that every infantryman are trained in the equivalent of a BLACK BELT Karate person. Of course well aimed rifle bullets will end their careers early, just as our rifle bullets,along with 2 nukes brought the age of Samurais to a close. They were badasses in their OWN eyes only. Thousands ended up commiting suicide rather than surrender. The Nazi SUPERMEN were surrendering by the thousands after our forces reached the Rhine. They preferred to surrender to American forces,because they knew that their lives would end when the Russians saw them. “YAH VEE IS DER SUPERMEN of der MASTER RACE.”

  64. Coldwarvet……….
    You can call an apple an apple,and an orange an orange, but whatever they are called will not make any difference in what they really are. We can spend a thousand words to describe what it is or we can simply call it what it is ……WAR. Strength beforehand on the part of the attacker, no matter the source of his weaponry would undoubtedly be at least partially fullfilled by a general firearms confiscation. The last estimate that I read was written by a member of both the NRA,and the VFW, who said that there is a MULTI million military configured weapons that could be used in military action simply by adding 1 sear pin to a million Kalishnickovs, or by simply changing the barrels of a like number of sporterised Colts,and other home brew rifles..This all could happen OVERNIGHT, and a hell of a lot of trained vets would have a RELIABLE weapon in their possession. In addition there is thought to be a million Kalischnickovs already having their original design capabilities, at 600 rounds per minute. But here is the really scary part that I read. He also instructs people to save their aluminum pop cans because they will make excellent anti personell mortar rounds,when properly made. using black powder. He says trhat they have already been tested, and they are nearly as bad as an M-18A. claymore

  65. We are getting to the point where we can no longer be dismissive of N. Korea, the “mouse that has roared” in the past.

    NEW THREATS SUGGEST NORTH KOREA’S NUKES WORK
    Rogue nation had been trying to mount bomb aboard long-range missile

    Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/03/new-threats-suggest-north-koreas-nukes-work/#wK3aDRmYUZMvK2Tz.99

  66. …………somehow I don’t envision military vets handing their personal weapons over to ANYBODY, whether that person is wearing a uniform,or just a black suit. It might take a few of them being shot down like dogs, but when it finally explodes into the open there will be open warfare as well. Hopefully we will have leaders who are trained and know a hill from a valley.

  67. CabbyAZ …………
    While I too might chuckle at the notion of North Korea having the capability to deliver a nuke via air express, the potential danger is that we will CONTINUE to laugh at them until suddenly one morning a US city is erased……..at which point everybody will scream and cry, and vow revenge upon the enemy. But where will the national UNITY come from, the HOMOSEXUALS, (don’t hold your breath), from the DRUG HEADS (hell they don’t usually even know what day of the week it is). But be really careful here because these are the very people who will most likely be fighting on Soetoro’s side,and collectively there are at least 50,000,000 of them.

  68. NITEY NITE FOLKS………..Sleep tight and don’t let the noise from the drone over your house bother you.

  69. citizenwells

    Drone: “Make a continuous low humming sound.”

    Urban Dictionary: “A drone is someone who follows an ideology or some other form of idealization blindlessly and uncritically.”

    The perfect Obama tool.

  70. citizenwells

    Good morning Zach, et al.

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