Alabama Supreme Court ruling on Obama eligibility, Attorney Larry Klayman appeal, Obama natural born citizen status questioned, AL Supreme Court all Republican, Constitution upheld?

Alabama Supreme Court ruling on Obama eligibility, Attorney Larry Klayman appeal, Obama natural born citizen status questioned, AL Supreme Court all Republican, Constitution upheld?

“Why has Obama, since taking the White House, used Justice Department Attorneys, at taxpayer expense,  to avoid presenting a legitimate birth certificate and college records?”…Citizen Wells

“Moore said he’s seen no convincing evidence that Obama is a “natural born citizen” and a lot of evidence that suggests he is not.”…Judge Roy Moore interview by WND

“Why does a judge swear to discharge his duties agreeably to the
constitution of the United States, if that constitution forms no
rule for his government? if it is closed upon him, and cannot be
inspected by him?”… Marbury versus Madison

 

Attorney Larry Klayman has filed an appeal with the Alabama Supreme Court regarding the failure of Secretary of State Beth Chapman to verify that all candidates on the state’s 2012 ballot were eligible to serve.

“Roy Moore was elected chief justice of the Alabama Supreme Court last November, a decade after he defied a federal order to remove a Ten Commandments monument from the state Supreme Court building.

 Now, 2012 Constitution Party presidential nominee Virgil Goode and Alabama Republican Party leader Hugh McInnish are asking the state’s highest court to force Secretary of State Beth Chapman to verify that all candidates on the state’s 2012 ballot were eligible to serve.
Attorney Larry Klayman, founder of the Washington, D.C.-watch dog Judicial Watch and now head of Freedom Watch, filed the appeal Tuesday with the Alabama Supreme Court, asking for oral arguments.”
Read more:
All members of the AL Supreme Court are Republican.
Does this mean that the US Constitution will be followed and upheld?
Here is the makeup of the court.

“Founded in 1819 as provided in the state constitution, the Alabama Supreme Court is the state’s court of last resort.

Justices

The current justices of the court are:

Judge Term Appointed by Party
Chief Justice Roy Moore 2001-2003; 2013-2018 Republican
Justice Lyn Stuart 2000-2018 Republican
Justice Michael Bolin 2005-2016 Republican
Justice Tom Parker 2004-2016 Republican
Justice Glenn Murdock 2006-2018 Republican
Justice Greg Shaw 2008-2014 Republican
Justice Kelli Wise 2011-2016 Republican
Justice Tommy Bryan 2013-2018 Republican
Justice James Allen Main 2011-2018 Gov. Bob Riley Republican

Jurisdiction

The Supreme Court has jurisdiction to review the decisions reached by lower courts within the state. It is also authorized to review matters of contention where the dollar amount in question exceeds $50,000 (if no other Alabama court has jurisdiction), review cases over which no other state court has jurisdiction, and appeals from the Alabama Public Service Commission. The Supreme Court has a supervisory role over the other courts in the state and is charged with making rules governing administration, practice and procedure in all courts.”

Read more:

http://judgepedia.org/index.php/Alabama_Supreme_Court

Chief Justice

Chief Justice

Roy S. Moore

2013 – Present

Alabama Judicial System Appellate Courts Supreme Court of Alabama Chief Justice Moore

Chief Justice Roy S. Moore graduated from Etowah High School in Attalla, Alabama, in 1965, and from the U.S. Military Academy at West Point in 1969. He served in the U.S. Army as a company commander with the Military Police Corps in Vietnam. Chief Justice Moore completed his Juris Doctor degree from the University of Alabama School of Law in 1977.

During his legal career, Chief Justice Moore became the first full-time Deputy District Attorney in Etowah County, Alabama, and served in this position from 1977 until 1982. In 1984, Chief Justice Moore undertook private practice of law in Gadsden, Alabama.

In 1992, Chief Justice Moore became a judge of the Sixteenth Judicial Circuit of Alabama and served until his election as Chief Justice of the Alabama Supreme Court in 2000. In 2003, Chief Justice Moore was removed from his position by a judicial panel for refusing to remove a Ten Commandments monument that he installed in the rotunda of the Alabama Judicial Building to acknowledge the sovereignty of God.

From 2003 until 2012, Chief Justice Moore served as President of the Foundation for Moral Law in Montgomery, speaking throughout the Country and filing amicus curiae briefs regarding the United States Constitution in Federal District Courts, State Supreme Courts, U.S. Courts of Appeal and the United States Supreme Court.

Chief Justice Moore was overwhelmingly re-elected by a vote of the people of Alabama as Chief Justice in November of 2012 and took office in January of 2013.

Chief Justice Moore and his wife Kayla have four children and three grandchildren. They are members of First Baptist Church in Gallant, Alabama.

Associate Justice

Lyn Stuart , Associate Justice

Lyn Stuart

2001 – Present

Lyn Stuart is a native of Atmore, Alabama, attended public schools and graduated from Escambia County High School. She received a Bachelor of Arts degree in Sociology and Education from Auburn University with high honor in 1977 and her Juris Doctorate degree from The University of Alabama School of Law in 1980. She served as Secretary of the Student Bar Association, was a member of the John A. Campbell Moot Court Board and received the Dean’s Service Award at graduation

Upon graduation from law school Justice Stuart worked as an Assistant Attorney General for the State of Alabama under former Attorney General Charles Graddick. She also served as Executive Assistant to the Commissioner and Special Assistant Attorney General for the State Department of Corrections. Upon moving to Baldwin County, she became an Assistant District Attorney for Baldwin County on the staff of District Attorney David Whetstone.

In 1988, she was elected District Judge, and was re-elected in 1994. Governor Fob James appointed Justice Stuart to the Circuit bench in January 1997. She was elected, without opposition, to a six year term in 1998.

Justice Stuart was invited and served as a Faculty Advisor at the National Judicial College in Reno, Nevada. She is a past president of the Alabama Council of Juvenile and Family Court Judges. She has served as a national speaker for the National Council of Juvenile and Family Court Judges, training judges and other professionals on the handling of child abuse and neglect cases. She served as President of the Blue Ridge Institute for Juvenile and Family Court Judges in 2002.

Justice Stuart and her husband, George, have two sons, Tucker and Shepard, and a daughter, Kelly. She is a member and past president of several civic organizations: the Heritage Junior Women’s Club, the Bay Minette Kiwanis Club; and the Jubilee Woman’s Club. She serves on the Board of Directors of the Alabama Federation of Women’s Clubs. Lyn and George are members of the First United Methodist Church of Bay Minette, where Lyn has served as a member of the Administrative Board and the Board of Trustees, and teaches a young adult Sunday School class.

Associate Justice

Michael F. Bolin , Associate Justice

Michael F. Bolin

2005 – Present

Michael F. Bolin was born in, and a lifetime resident of, Jefferson County, Alabama. He attended elementary school in Birmingham, being accepted into the first magnet school for scholastic achievement. He then attended Homewood Junior High School, and graduated from Shades Valley High School in 1966 as a member of the National Honor Society. In 1970, he received his B.S. in Business Administration from Samford University. In 1973, he received his J.D. from Cumberland School of Law, graduating cum laude. At Cumberland, he was on the Dean’s List and served as Associate Editor of the Cumberland-Samford Law Review. He was later inducted into Curia Honors, Cumberland’s leadership and honor society.

Justice Bolin was a practicing attorney in Birmingham from 1973 through 1988, when he was elected as Probate Judge of Jefferson County. He was re-elected to that position in 1994 and 2000. He served in that position until his election to the Alabama Supreme Court in 2004, and began serving as an Associate Justice in January 2005.

Justice Bolin was active in the Alabama Probate Judges Association, serving as chairman of various association committees. He was elected by his peers as President, Secretary, and Treasurer of the Probate Judges Association. He served on the Children’s Code Committee, Probate Procedures Committee, Adoption Committee, and Paternity Committee of the Alabama Law Institute. He authored the Putative Father Registry law in Alabama, which protects the rights of all parties in adoption proceedings. He received the national award from the “Angels of Adoption” organization in Washington, D.C. in 2000 for his service to adoptive families. He additionally served as Chief Election Official, Chairman of the Alabama Electronic Voting Committee, and as Vice Chairman of the Governor’s Commission on Consolidation, Efficiency, and Funding in 2003. He is a member of the Vestavia-Hoover Kiwanis Club.

Justice Bolin and his wife, Rosemary, have one daughter, Leigh Anne. They attend St. Peter the Apostle Church in Hoover.

Associate Justice


Tom Parker , Associate Justice

Tom Parker

2005 – Present

Justice Tom Parker was first elected to the Alabama Supreme Court in 2004 and then re-elected in 2010.

He previously was the Deputy Administrative Director of Courts, where he served as General Counsel for the Alabama court system, advising trial court judges, and as the Director of the Alabama Judicial College, providing training for new judges and continuing legal education for all the trial judges in Alabama.  He also served as the Legal Adviser to the Chief Justice.

Parker graduated cum laude from Dartmouth College, in Hanover, New Hampshire, and received his Juris Doctorate from Vanderbilt University School of Law, in Nashville, Tennessee.  He won a Rotary International Fellowship to study law at the University of Sao Paulo School of Law, in Sao Paulo, Brazil, where he was the first foreign student in Brazil’s most prestigious law school.

Justice Parker served in the Alabama Attorney General’s Office under then Alabama Attorneys General Jeff Sessions and Bill Pryor.  As an Assistant Attorney General, he handled death penalty cases, criminal appeals, and constitutional litigation.  He has extensive experience in writing appellate briefs and with oral arguments before the Supreme Court and the Court of Criminal Appeals.  Previously, he was a partner in Parker & Kotouc, P.C., a Montgomery law firm that handled many high-profile constitutional cases.

Tom Parker was founding Executive Director of the Alabama Family Alliance (now the Alabama Policy Institute) and, later, the founding Executive Director for the Alabama Family Advocates, which were state organizations associated with Dr. James Dobson and Focus on the Family.  He lobbied for family values in the Alabama Legislature.  Parker has appeared on Focus on the Family, with Dr. James Dobson, The 700 Club, with Dr. Pat Robertson, the McNeil-Leher News Hour, For the Record, and numerous radio programs around the country.

Justice Parker is a Montgomery native — the son of the late Tommy Parker and Gloria Parker Pennington, and the step-son of the late Harry L. Pennington of Huntsville.  He was elected Student Body President at Montgomery’s Sidney Lanier High School and Speaker of the House of both YMCA Youth Legislature and Boys’ State.

Justice Parker and his wife, the former Dottie James of Auburn, have been married for 31 years. Dottie served as Supervisor of the Alabama Governor’s Mansion during the administration of Alabama Governor Fob James.  They are members of Frazer Memorial United Methodist Church.

Associate Justice

Glenn Murdock , Associate Justice

Glenn Murdock

2007 – Present

Glenn Murdock was born in Enterprise, Alabama, on June 25, 1956. He is the oldest of three children of Billy A. Murdock and the late Marita Huey Murdock.

After graduating from Enterprise High School in 1974, Justice Murdock attended The University of Alabama, where he served as Student Government Vice President. He graduated Phi Beta Kappa and summa cum laude in 1978, with a Bachelor of Arts degree in Political Science and Economics. He received his Juris Doctorate degree in 1981 from the University of Virginia Law School.

Upon returning to Alabama, Justice Murdock served for a year as a law clerk to the late Clarence W. Allgood, United District Judge for the Northern District of Alabama. Thereafter, he engaged in private practice, emphasizing commercial, constitutional, and election law. He also served as in-house counsel to a national corporation and as a State Administrative Law Judge. His practice included cases before the state and federal courts of Alabama, as well as the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals. In 1994 and 1995, he served as an attorney to The Honorable Perry O. Hooper, Sr., in the successful year-long federal court litigation to establish the lawful winner of the 1994 Alabama Chief Justice election.

In 2000, Justice Murdock was elected to the Alabama Court of Civil Appeals, where he served from January 2001 to January 2007. He was elected to the Alabama Supreme Court in 2006 and began serving on that Court in January 2007.

Justice Murdock has been married for 30 years to the former Margaret Gilchrist of Hartselle, Alabama. They have three children and they are active members of Covenant Presbyterian Church of Birmingham. Justice Murdock is a member of the Rotary Club of Birmingham and the Birmingham and American Bar Associations.

Associate Justice

Greg Shaw , Associate Justice

Greg Shaw

2009 – Present
Court of Criminal Appeals
2001 – 2009

Justice James Gregory “Greg” Shaw, the son of James Hubert and Ruth Cooper Shaw, was born in 1957 and raised in Birmingham, where he graduated from Banks High School. The Shaw family roots extend into neighboring Shelby County, where his father, a retired businessman and a long-time member of the KeyMasters Gospel Quartet, was born and raised. To this day, the Shaw family name in Alabama is synonymous with great gospel singing.

Justice Shaw graduated from Auburn University in 1979, receiving a B.S. degree with a major in Chemistry. He is married to S. Samantha “Sam” Shaw, the daughter of June Daly Slimp and the late William M. Slimp of Homewood. Justice Shaw met Sam while at Auburn, and they married in August 1980, just before Justice Shaw’s second year of law school. Sam was elected Alabama’s State Auditor in 2006.

In 1982, Justice Shaw graduated in the top 10% of his class from Samford University’s Cumberland School of Law. While at Cumberland, he received the American Jurisprudence Award for excellence in the study of evidence under Professor Charles Gamble, the author of the preeminent evidence treatise in Alabama.

After his admission to the Alabama State Bar in 1982, Justice Shaw worked with a small law firm in St. Clair County. He later started his own general law practice in Birmingham. In the fall of 1984, Justice Shaw joined the staff of Supreme Court Associate Justice Janie L. Shores and moved to Montgomery. After serving as Justice Shores’s staff attorney for one year, he joined the staff of Supreme Court Associate Justice James Gorman Houston, Jr., in the fall of 1985, where he served as Justice Houston’s senior staff attorney for over 15 years. Justice Shaw was elected to the Alabama Court of Criminal Appeals in 2000 and was reelected to that Court in 2006. On March 16, 2007, Justice Shaw was appointed Chief Judge of the Alabama Court of the Judiciary. Justice Shaw served on both the Alabama Court of Criminal Appeals and the Alabama Court of the Judiciary until January 20, 2009, when, after being elected in 2008, he assumed the office of Associate Justice of the Supreme Court of Alabama.

Justice Shaw completed the Master of Laws Program at the University of Virginia School of Law in 2004, receiving the degree of Master of Laws (LL.M.) in the Judicial Process. He graduated with 30 other state and federal judges selected nationwide and he is one of only 3 judges from Alabama to participate in the program. Justice Shaw is an Honorary Master of the Bench of the Hugh Maddox Inn of Court in Montgomery, and the Alabama State Bar’s Committee on Archives and History.

Justice and Mrs. Shaw have two sons. Gregory is a Captain in the United States Army. Captain Shaw graduated from the United States Military Academy at West Point in 2007 with a degree in engineering. Christopher, “CJ,” graduated in May 2009 from Georgia Tech with an honors degree in Mechanical Engineering. Justice Shaw and Sam live in Montgomery, where they are members of Frazer Memorial United Methodist Church.

Associate Justice

James Allen Main, Judge

James Allen Main

2011 – Present
Court of Criminal Appeals
2009 – 2011

James Allen (Jim) Main currently serves as a Justice on the Supreme Court of Alabama having previously served as a Judge on the Alabama Court of Criminal Appeals. He also served as Director of Finance for the State of Alabama. The Finance Director is the Chief Financial Officer (CFO) of the state, as well as policy advisor to the Governor.

Prior to becoming Finance Director in 2004, Judge Main served as Senior Counsel to Gov. Riley and Chief of Staff and Legal Advisor to Gov. Fob James. Other public service includes terms as Anniston City Attorney, Lineville City Judge and City Attorney for Oxford, Alabama.

Judge Main was in private law practice in Anniston (beginning in 1972) and Montgomery (beginning in 1989). During the 30+ years of active practice of law, he was counsel in numerous precedent-setting cases before the Alabama Supreme Court and the United States Supreme Court.

Judge Main is a member of a number of professional organizations including the Alabama Bar Association where he is a founding Fellow of the Alabama Law Foundation, past-President of the American Pharmacists Association, past-President of the Alabama Pharmacy Association, past-Chairman of the Dean’s Counsel for the Auburn School of Pharmacy, a past member of the Alabama Commission on Higher Education and a science and technology fellow of the Advanced Science and Technology Adjudication (ASTAR). He is actively involved in his local church and has served as Sunday school teacher, deacon and short-term missionary.

Judge Main has received numerous awards, including the Parke Davis Leadership Award; the Bowl of Hygeia, the most widely recognized international symbol for the profession of pharmacy today; the Distinguished Alumnus Award from Auburn University School of Pharmacy; the President’s Award from the American Society of Pharmacy and Law; and member of Alabama Healthcare Hall of Fame Class of 2012. He has long served on various local and state boards and commissions and was named Outstanding Young Man of Anniston in 1975 for his contribution to the community.

He has been married to Gale for 46 years, is the father of Jay Main, Saxon Main and Ashley Parker and the proud grandfather of Mary Katherine, Mac, McLeod, Tom and Walker.

Judge Main received a bachelor of science (B.S.) degree in pharmacy from Auburn University and a juris doctorate (JD) degree from the University of Alabama.

Associate Justice

Alisa Kelli Wise, Presiding Judge

Alisa Kelli Wise

2011 – Present
Court of Criminal Appeals
2001 – 2011

Justice A. Kelli Wise, the daughter of Colonel Bobby W. Wise and the late Betty Mathis Wise, was born in Geneva, Alabama and raised in Dale and Autauga County.

Judge Wise, a graduate of Prattville High School, received a B.S. in Biology, with a minor in Nursing, from Auburn University in 1985 and a Juris Doctorate from Jones School of Law in 1994. She earned a Master of Public Administration from Auburn University Montgomery in 2000 and was named the 2005 Outstanding Graduate by the AUM Department of Political Science and Public Administration. Recently, Justice Wise was named as one of AUM’s Top 40 in 40 during the University’s 40th Anniversary Celebration.

During her legal career, Justice Wise worked in the Governor’s Legislative Office (James Administration), served as legal counsel for ProStaff HRM, Inc. and was associated with the law firms of John Taber & Associates and Pittman, Pittman, Carwie & Fuquay. Prior to her election to the bench, she served as a staff attorney on the Court of Criminal Appeals and the Alabama Supreme Court. Justice Wise was first elected to the Alabama Court of Criminal Appeals in 2000 becoming the youngest woman elected to sit on an Alabama Appellate Court. She was re-elected to the court in 2006 and became Presiding Judge of the Court of Criminal Appeals in 2008. While on the bench Judge Wise has written and reviewed over 20,000 cases including key appellate decisions that ultimately helped to protect victims and strengthened Alabama’s criminal laws. Justice Wise was elected to the Alabama Supreme Court in 2010 where she received the highest vote of any contested statewide candidate.

Committed to helping at-risk children, Justice Wise was appointed by Governor Bob Riley to serve on the Alabama Council on Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention in 2003 and reappointed in 2006. She is involved in several civic, charitable and professional organizations including the Alabama State Bar Association, The Alabama Wildlife Federation, The Montgomery Symphony League and the Capital City Republican Women. Justice Wise currently serves on the Alabama Law Institute Criminal Code committee tasked with helping to re-write the Alabama Criminal Code, and the Advisory Committee on Criminal Procedure. In addition, Justice Wise is active in the Montgomery Junior League and serves on the board of directors for the Family Sunshine Center, Distinguished Young Women of Alabama and Max Credit Union.

Judge Wise and her husband Arthur Ray, a former Montgomery County District Court Judge, are the proud parents of Hanah-Mathis, a fifth grader at St. James School. They are active members of St. James United Methodist Church.

Justice

Tommy Bryan, Justice

Tommy Bryan

2013 – Present
Court of Civil Appeals
2005 – 2013

Tommy Elias Bryan was raised on a family farm in Crenshaw County, Alabama, where his parents taught him the values of faith, family, and hard work. He is the son of Margie Spivey Bryan and the late Elias Daniel Bryan.

A 1974 graduate of Brantley High School, Justice Bryan continued his education at Troy State University, where he received Bachelor of Science and Master of Science degrees in education. In 1983, he graduated from Jones School of Law. After graduating from law school, Justice Bryan served as a staff attorney for the Alabama Court of Criminal Appeals.

In 1987, Justice Bryan became an assistant attorney general for the State of Alabama, serving as an associate general counsel for Alabama’s environmental department. In this position he gained valuable experience in defending and interpreting highly technical and scientific regulations and standards, as well as drafting administrative orders and reviewing legislation pertaining to environmental issues.

In 2004, Justice Bryan successfully campaigned for a seat on the Alabama Court of Civil Appeals and was sworn into office as a Judge on that court in January 2005. Justice Bryan was victorious in his own reelection effort to the Court of Civil Appeals in November 2010. In 2012, Justice Bryan was elected to the Alabama Supreme Court. Also, in 2012, Justice Bryan was named “Judge of the Year” by the Family Law Section of the Alabama State Bar.

Justice Bryan is a member of the Alabama Bar Association, where he serves as a member of the Environmental Law and Appellate Practice Sections, and he has served as vice chairman of the Quality of Life Committee. He is also a member of the Montgomery County Bar Association. He has been admitted to practice before the United States Supreme Court and the United States Courts of Appeals for the Eleventh Circuit and the District of Columbia.

Justice Bryan is married to the former Pamela Mizzell from Tuscaloosa, and they have two children, a daughter, Thomason, and a son, Tucker. The Bryan family attends Montgomery’s First Baptist Church. Justice Bryan is a Deacon there and sings in the sanctuary choir. He also teaches a young-married-adult Sunday School class.

http://judicial.alabama.gov/supreme.cfm


47 responses to “Alabama Supreme Court ruling on Obama eligibility, Attorney Larry Klayman appeal, Obama natural born citizen status questioned, AL Supreme Court all Republican, Constitution upheld?

  1. Good work CW……..

    We now have a good background check on the Alabama Supreme Court…..that’s more than we can say about the president !.

    they all have one thing in their favor….THEY ARE NOT DIRTY DEMOCRATS!

    Does anyone have a date for the case against obama?

  2. What’s in Obama’s Executive Order to Nationalize Elections …Voter Fraud on Steriods

    http://beforeitsnews.com/obama/2013/04/urgent-executive-order-gives-wh-control-of-the-elections-must-stop-this-now-2449244.html

  3. Because the judges are all Republican, it gives the Left the opportunity to say it is all politically motivated rather than desire to finally know the truth. But we can’t control other people’s reactions. Hope this case gets full coverage and goes forward as it should. Thanks, CW, for all the information.

  4. I know this is way off topic, so forgive please…. but I just came across a quote from George Wald, 1967 Nobel Prize winner.

    “When it comes to the origin of life, we have only two possibilities as to how life arose. One is spontaneous generation arising to evolution; the other is a supernatural creative act of God. There is no third possibility…Spontaneous generation was scientifically disproved one hundred years ago by Louis Pasteur, Spellanzani, Reddy and others. That leads us scientifically to only one possible conclusion — that life arose as a supernatural creative act of God…I will not accept that philosophically because I do not want to believe in God. Therefore, I choose to believe in that which I know is scientifically impossible, spontaneous generation arising to evolution.” – Scientific American, August, 1954.
    ++++++++++++++

    Incredible! Professing to be wise, they became fools.

  5. larry klayman has made a mistake . he should be demanding the examination of the original birth certificate . this case will likely fail because alvin onaka will send something from hawaii as was done in 2 other cases and it will be accepted by the court as the easy way out . when will klayman and other attorneys learn they have to see the original document produced and verified by forensics experts . if there is any original birth certificate which i seriously doubt there is . this court case will likely be blown as others have .

  6. “I do not want to believe in God. Therefore, I choose to believe in that which I know is scientifically impossible….”

    George Wald,1967 Nobel Prize winner.

  7. citizenwells

    Danny.
    If it reaches that level of scrutiny any competent attorney will point out “abstract” at the bottom
    & the HI statutes which allowed a non HI birth to be recorded with assoc. data.

  8. ………and as CW pointed out an ABSTRACT IS NOT a legal REPRESENTATIVE of the ORIGINAL document, simply because the contained data ALLEGEDLY originated from the original document, which carries with it a TRANSLATION of such data. Translations are NOT always accurate. Therein lies the primary reason why ABSTRACTS were dropped out of real estate transactions as well. In most states you now receive TITLE INSURANCE instead

  9. danny at 11:44 am —

    “if there is any original birth certificate which i seriously doubt there is.”
    ===============
    August 14, 2011

    “Exclusive: Tim Adam’s Master Thesis, “There is No Birth Certificate for Obama””
    © Bridgette WTPOTUS 2011

    “Tim Adams was the Senior Elections Clerk for the city and county of Honolulu during the 2008 presidential election. Tim was the person who told the media that there was no long form birth certificate for Barack Obama in Hawaii, and that it was common knowledge by all of the officials there. In his position, he had a staff of about fifty people who were in charge of verifying voter eligibility. He stated in his thesis that he had access to all the usual government databases to verify voter identities. They had access to databases such as NCIS, Social Security, and others. He does not say that he looked up information for Barack Obama, just that the group had access to information.

    Interestingly, he wrote about his experience in his 106 page Master’s thesis presented to the Faculty of the English Department at Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, Kentucky entitled “Discourse and Conflict: The President Barack H. Obama Birth Certificate Controversy and the New Media.” It is dated May, 2011.”

    http://wtpotus.wordpress.com/2011/08/14/tim-adams-master-thesis-there-is-no-birth-certificate-for-obama/

    —————
    Tim Adams’ Thesis:

    “Discourse and Conflict: The President Barak H. Obama Birth Certificate Controversy and the New Media”

    OR

    http://digitalcommons.wku.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2074&context=theses&sei-redir=1#search=%22Tim%20Adams%22

  10. Danny………
    It is my belief that any competent judge would demand that the original be provided for the court to examine,and if they refuse then the person doing the refusing could receive a contempt of court citation, and if the person continues to refuse the judge can legally set a daily fine for every day that the requested document has NOT been made available. I know that such fines can go as high as the judge decides. I know of an instance where a daily fine for contempt of court was set at $10,000.00 per day. This did not last very long,and the person became very cooperative with the court. If the fine is not paid then the person gets a little slammer time. But we shall see.

  11. Danny, et all………

    You hit the nail on the head……

    THERE IS NO, I REPEAT NO, BIRTH CERTIFICATE FOR Mr. OBAMA …PERIOD! therein lies the basis for the entire birth certificate problem……

    It isn’t about where he was born…it’s about how he was born…..if Obama has no birth certificate that will stand up as being legal in a court of law…..then he could be anyone’s child and he could have been born anywhere….maybe even under a rock somewhere…….right now that’s as good of a guess as anything else I have read or heard…..I think America can do better than this..

    There has already been so many lies and distortions told about his birth, that for all intent purposes, he could have been born in Russia…..like Tom Fife indicated in his 1995 meeting with those Russian scientist…

    Judging from his actions, which we all have been witness to, there is one thing we can all be certain of:

    HE DOES NOT HAVE THE INTEREST OF AMERICA AT HEART….that means he is working AGAINST the interest of the United States of America……in everything he says and does.

    I think that is defined as TREASON…in anyone’s book…Isn’t it about time someone in a position of authority called his actions exactly what they are?.

    If he does have a birth certificate, which I doubt,……it sure wasn’t issued by any state within the United States of America……and if that’s correct, then he isn’t even a citizen of this country…period !

    This is a fine mess you have gotten us into now Stanley !!!

  12. citizenwells ,
    sos bennett in az. and some official in kansas both accepted a statement from alvin onaka in hawaii as verification that the fake birth certificate was authetic . we can only hope that this judge roy moore court in alabama will not accept such garbage . i’m sure the court will be under a lot of pressure not to rule agaist obama regardless of what larry klayman says or what the evidence is against him . i fear we could get another ridiculous ruling with the court wimping out and giving in to outside pressure . then , the m s m will be all over any ruling in favor of obama . they will be attacking birthers endlessly as crazies and wing nuts plus other attacks . the conspiracy theorists lose again .

  13. danny at 1:48 pm —

    “sos bennett in az.”
    ===============
    May 25, 2012

    Jerome Corsi:

    “SHERIFF JOE’S POSSE: ‘HAWAII DUPED ARIZONA'”

    “Zullo told WND that his purpose in requesting the meeting with Bennett was to share with the Arizona secretary of state recent developments in the MCSO law enforcement investigation into Obama’s birth.

    “I was shocked to find out Bennett knew virtually nothing about our investigation – only what he read in the newspapers,” Zullo said.

    He added that Bennett did not appear interested in understanding the serious information the investigation had developed.

    “When I tried to bring him up to speed, it became apparent the 20 minutes remaining in the meeting was not going to be enough time to explain even the key points of the investigation,” Zullo said.

    “I felt Bennett was totally ignorant of what I was talking about, and he really didn’t care.”

    Zullo said he left Bennett’s office fully convinced the secretary of state would capitulate to pressure by Arizona and national Republican Party officials, including Sen. John McCain.”

    http://www.wnd.com/2012/05/sheriff-joes-posse-hawaii-duped-arizona/

  14. ROLL TIDE !!!

  15. if the supreme court in alabama does not demand the original birth certificate and independent forensic examination of the document , they will have committed fraud against the u. s. and the american people . phony certified copies were sent to az. and ks. attorney klayman and his clients cannot settle for anything less .

  16. Having read the following from the prior thread and deeply impressed, I want to bring this over so that more can check it out. This is a wonderful article and needs widespread distribution among us. Thank you, Hawk.

    hawk | April 2, 2013 at 7:19 am |
    Crash Course from Sheriff Mack, on why O’crazy is attacking Sheriff Arpaio & all sheriffs nationwide…………

    http://constitutionallawenforcementassoc.blogspot.com/2008/01/county-sheriffthe-ultimate-check.html

  17. Gordo,
    You are certainly an “on the ball” commenter!! Thank you for all of your responses (all of the time). The above interaction re. the Judge Moore matter is a good illustration of how skillfully you are right there with additional, reliable, and pertinent information which adds tremendously to the subject at hand. You are “rapid-fire Gordo”, and I mean that in the highest sense of a compliment.

  18. oldsailor80

    Gordo…………
    I read the Adams thesis. It contained a few facts which I was unaware of but were not really important. What is important is that what he has repeatedly stated is “There is no original long form Hawaiian BC for either Barrack H Obama,or Barry Soetoro. We are pretty sure that he continued to use the Soetoro name through his Occidental stay,and at some point before the Columbia fiasco,he began using his alleged birth name. Since he was formally adopted by Lolo Soetoro, soon after the marriage of his mother to the Indonesia citizen, his surname legally became Soetoro……..which has never to this date been legally re instated. Such a re instatement would have required a certified copy of his ORIGINAL Hawaiian LONG FORM BC. Since one does not exist then we now know the reason why his surname is legally still Soetoro. Further if he wanted to legally re instate his alleged birth name he would have had to file a Petition for Namechange. None was ever filed by him in any Superior Court anywhere in the US, Hawaii,Alaska,or Canada. When the research was done there was NO EVIDENCE at ANY of the public information databases to show that his name change had been adjudicated, after a granting of a name change LEGALLY BECOMES PUBLIC INFORMATION, and is ALWAYS picked up by the databases. I personally believe that his legaol name is still Soetoro. Therefore he cannot be LEGALLY MARRIED to Michelle Robinson either. If he was her surname would also be Soetoro. If this information is accurate then Michelle and her kids owe the taxpaying PUBLIC over $1,000,000.00. She is as much a USURPER as he is. Sadly nobody even gives a damn about it all and instead of uniting across our country then acting, everybody is saying …..SO WHAT! Well I say to those people your ass is going to be stomped into the ground along with everybody else when you continue to support a lying BASTARD, AND KNOWN SEX DEVIATE……….of course I hasten to add that we have learned the hard way that our entire government has turned into the SAME THING. Another rationalisation is when the enemy takes control of something he usually DISPOSES OF THE COLLABORATORS who helped him get there…….FIRST.

  19. oldsailor80

    Gordo…….re 2:15 PM
    With regard to Bennet it is clear that he made his choice. Now he will spend a lot of time watching behind him. He has chosen to ignore the facts derived from Zullo,and the cold case possee. May God have mercy upon his soul. I would think that Bennet is now a COLLABORATOR. At least the fact that he refused to listen to factual evidence in hand. If he allowed Hawaii to put something over on him then he doesn’t deserve to even hold his office. He needs to be recalled.

  20. Something I’ve never understood….in all the various cases, as well as in this one in AL, isn’t it necessary to have an identification # for the defendant, his SSN? Since this number is in dispute with a lack of verification as well as the evidence of several #s being used by said defendant, the pResident himself, couldn’t this case simply open with the request for an accurate and current # being used by Zero and have it checked at the start? Or, if one is presented to the court for Obama, couldn’t the plaintiffs dispute its accuracy and ask the court to verify its authentic owner due to evidence acquired re: its history? Perhaps the case might not even get to the BC question because of this question of ID!! That, in and of itself could necessitate the need for that other form of ID, proven BC, since no citizen OF ANY KIND would have to use a fraudulent SSN. This would put the ongoing delaying argument about origin or NBC into the background and beg for ANY proof of current citizenship OF ANY KIND. There’s a heck of a lot more discovery about that fraud WITHOUT the need for rabbit hole frivolous discussion and arguments.

  21. And about Tim Adams and his turn around supposedly based on his dislike of Romney!!!!

    Birther Tim Adams announces support for Obama

    The Lesser of Two Evils

    Tim Adams (right) made a big splash in 2010 when he appeared on a white supremacist radio show, Political Cesspool, telling a story about Barack Obama’s birth certificate, or lack thereof. Adams was a contractor and “chief clerk” for the Honolulu Elections Division and he claimed that Barack Obama had no Hawaiian birth certificate. In various follow-up statements and interviews, including one on Reality Check Radio in which I participated, Adams backed down on some of what he said after it was found that his office had no access to Hawaiian birth records, but he still maintained that Obama had no Hawaiian birth certificate although he says he thinks Obama was born in the US, somewhere else than Hawaii.

    Adams is cited in birther lawsuits and remains a star in the birther sky, but now he’s come out with a YouTube video in support of Barack Obama for President in 2012.

    It’s hard to tell just what Tim Adams is really about, particularly after his Master’s Thesis appeared putting himself in the role of a gonzo journalist.

    Adams’ rationale for supporting Obama can be summed up in two words, “Romney / Ryan.” Romney, he believes, is part of the David Rockefeller legacy of corporate internationalists. We don’t actually see the “one world government Bilderberger Illuminati” conspiracy theories here, but I think that’s where he’s pointing.

    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2012/10/birther-tim-adams-announces-support-for-obama/

  22. People should send this article to their reps and demand a Congressional investigation of Planned Parenthood (title itself is a joke)….and insist that no taxpayer dollars go to the admitted law breakers and infant killer (besides the industrialized killer of babies in the womb who also could be born alive). I thought that this was what the “born alive infant protection” law was all about. (which Zero voted against 3 times):

    New Planned Parenthood Statement Defends Pro-Infanticide Remarks
    by Steven Ertelt | Tallahassee, FL | LifeNews.com | 4/2/13 1:16 PM

    The Florida affiliate of the Planned Parenthood abortion business has released a new statement defending the remarks its lobbyist made that drew national condemnation for essentially endorsing infanticide.
    The pro-life bill, HB 1129, ultimately cleared the House Criminal justice Subcommittee. The bill would require that medical care be given to newborns, likely to be premature, who survive botched abortions. The care would be given at a hospital and not at the abortion clinic.

    Planned Parenthood has been condemned for what many see as promoting infanticide by opposing a bill in the state legislature that would provide medical care and legal protection for babies who are born alive after failed abortions. According to its lobbyist, “any decision that’s made should be left up to the woman, her family, and the physician.”

    Now, the abortion giant ha released a new statement that fails to condemn the remarks or revise its position against the legislation. In fact, Planned Parenthood assures the public that its abortion practitioners will provide appropriate medical care for newborns lucky enough to survive an attempt on their life via abortion.

    The statement says:

    Last week, a panel of Florida state legislators demanded speculation about a vague set of extremely unlikely and highly unusual medical circumstances. Medical guidelines and ethics already compel physicians facing life-threatening circumstances to respond, and Planned Parenthood physicians provide high-quality medical care and adhere to the most rigorous professional standards, including providing emergency care. In the extremely unlikely event that the scenario presented by the panel of legislators should happen, of course Planned Parenthood would provide appropriate care to both the woman and the infant.

    But that’s not what an undercover video showed in May 2009.

    A national pro-life group released footage of an undercover video showing a Planned Parenthood staff member telling a pregnant woman than babies are left to die after induced labor abortions where the baby survives the abortion procedure.

    The video shows the student going to a Title X, federally funded Planned Parenthood facility located in Freehold, New Jersey. A Planned Parenthood staffer describes how an abortion would be performed on a 22 week unborn child.

    In the footage, the Planned Parenthood nurse describes to the pregnant woman that the abortion would entail delivering her son alive. After the woman asks if the baby can be born alive, the nurse admits that “it does happen…but it wouldn’t be able to survive on its own, so eventually the baby does die.”

    Babies have been left to die before at abortion clinics — such as this one in Florida.

    http://www.lifenews.com/2013/04/02/new-planned-parenthood-statement-defends-pro-infanticide-remarks/

  23. Meanwhile, all the nut cases of the world are ready to toss nuclear bombs at each other and at us and Israel….without a peep from us (Hillary or “Lurch”) or the UN other than declarations that “this is not acceptable”!

    http://weaselzippers.us/2013/04/02/breaking-un-passes-obama-backed-arms-treaty/

    BREAKING: UN Passes Obama-Backed Arms Treaty – Update: White House Praises UN For Passing Treaty…

    Via The Hill:

    The Obama administration joined 153 other nations Tuesday in approving an arms trade treaty opposed by the U.S. gun lobby.

    Adoption of the treaty sets up a showdown between the White House and Congress, where a majority of senators have called on the president not to sign the treaty because it regulates small arms.

    In one of the amendments to the Senate Budget last month, lawmakers voted 53 to 46 to stop the United States from joining the treaty.

    The administration and treaty proponents say it would have no impact on the Second Amendment, since it applies to arms exports and not domestic arms sales.

    Update: Now, will Obama sign it or not? His UN reps voted for it after he ensured its passage by dropping a consensus requirement, so I’m guessing he will.

  24. attorney larry klayman or any other attorneys asking for a certified copy of obama’s original birth certificate is a big joke . i predict there will be many ,many disappointed people again after the court case in alabama . as i stated earlier , for heavens sake , why won’t the attorneys learn from previous court cases and rulings ? once again , the original , paper document has to be demanded . short of that another case will be lost and the most promising case will be lost .

  25. Ooooh…..yes!

    Dr. Ben Carson: Liberals Mad I’m Daring To Come Off The Plantation

    http://www.breitbart.com/breitbart-tv

  26. oldsailor80

    Danny………..
    That is a great question,but here is another for you. In most jurisdictions throughout America when a law enforcement agency files a PROBABLE CAUSE affidavit, it is enough to justify active warrants for the arrest,and eventual prosecution of certain people, yet when the Arpiao group attempted to file the affidavit the last time it was DISALLOWED, and NO GROUNDS was given them as a reason why the PROBABLE CAUSE was being denied. They were simply advised that their affidavit would NOT BE ACCEPTED. This tells the story on the judge,as to whose billfold his pay is coming from. If Zullo,and Arpiao are allowed to file their PROBABLE CAUSE affidavit the judge will be forced to act upon it. If he is supporting the Constitution he will accept the affidavit from the law enforcement people. If he is a member of Soetoro’s GOON SQUAD he will reject it. Simple as apple pie!

  27. oldsailor80

    …….and now we have another tragic event that by now has already happened. The UN has signed off on the RADICAL INTERNATIONAL FIREARMS trade agenda which is really PIRACY. Further it OPENS the door for UN GOONS to come to your house and demand your firearms. If you refuse they will have the authority to arrest you without charges,and you could end up in a FEDERAL slammer, again without any charges against you. They will be allowed to hold American citizens INDEFINITELY. They will also have the right to confiscate all of your personal possessions and your realestate if you own a home. BUT KEEP SITTING ON YOUR BACKSIDES AND DOING NOTHING, AND YOU WILL VERY PROBABLY SOON HAVE YOUR FRONT DOOR KICKED IN, AND YOUR HOUSE SEARCHED FOR WEAPONS, BY UN GOONS,NOT LOCAL OR EVEN STATE POLICE. If Soetoro and Kerry are able to do it they will most likely do everything they can come up with to make it law in the US also. UN goons do not need any special authority,the bill that they signed off on GIVES THEM VERY BROAD AUTHORITY. I invite everybody to do this homework. Takes about 10 minutes to research it.

  28. old sailor 80 ,
    i realize all this . but it just makes no sense to me to ask for a certified copy of a birth certificate . you go all the way asking for the original and the microfilm . as i stated , two certified copies were produced before and i’m sure you know how the cases turned out . no wiggle room can be left for obama and his attorney . if citizenwells or anybody else has a contact for larry klayman , i suggest they message him to wake him up and warn him that he has likely set himself up to be bamboozled and blow this court case . and out of all the courts , this alabama court has the best chance for a ruling against obama . blow this one and there may not ever be another chance like it . i still say asking for a certified copy is a joke . so , it remains to be seen if i am correct or not . but , i will say i told you so .

  29. Joe Kovacs:

    April 6, 2011

    “The former Hawaii elections official who maintains there’s no long-form birth certificate for Barack Obama in the Aloha State is now saying the president and his aides have been “caught fibbing” about Obama’s background, and the “embarrassing” situation is making it difficult to fess up to the truth.

    Tim Adams, who was senior elections clerk for the city and county of Honolulu during the 2008 campaign, made the statements in a two-hour interview with a group [Reality Check Radio] looking to disprove claims made by so-called birthers, those challenging Obama’s legal qualification to be president.

    Adams burst onto the national scene last June after claiming his superiors at the elections office in Honolulu checked with the state health department and local hospitals, only to find out that none had Obama’s long-form birth certificate, a document specifying the hospital where he was born and the attending physician.

    He has since signed an affidavit swearing to his allegations.

    At one point in the interview, one of the questioners, who ironically never provided his real name and only went by an alias, challenged Adams about the “short-form” birth certificate, also known as a certification of live birth, or COLB, that has been displayed on the Internet.

    The radio hosts suggested that Janice Okubo, the public information officer for the state health department had previously vouched for the authenticity of the COLB, though in reality she has refused to do so. But Adams maintained the online scanned image is fraudulent.

    Adams was asked, “So you’re calling Janice Okubo a liar?”

    “Yes,” Adams responded, “if she’s saying that that document that is sitting out there on the Internet is an actual document because we can prove it’s not in about 30 seconds. Because it’s altered.

    In response to a direct question from WND, Okubo refused to authenticate either of the two versions of President Obama’s short-form certification of live birth, posted online – neither the image produced by the Obama campaign nor images released by FactCheck.org.”

    http://www.wnd.com/2011/04/283865/

  30. to me asking for a certified copy of the birth certificate is equivalent to a certain person i believe sheriff arpaio saying ” i’m not accusing the president of any crime ” . it is so ridiculous .

  31. April 2, 2013

    “Evidence Drop: Hawaii DOH Apparently Gave Obama Stig Waidelich’s Birth Certificate Number”

    “Butterdezillion: SUMMARY: Stig Waidelich’s computer-generated COLB has a BC# that requires a 12,400% variance from the average birth rate within a 2.5-hour period. It is obviously falsified. So not only do we have paper records (1960-64 birth index, the Ah Nee and Obama BC’s, and the Sunahara death certificate) being falsified by the HDOH, but we have the BC# in the computer system itself being falsified. And all these falsified certificates claimed BC#’s that could not have been on those BC’s in 1961. Stig Waidelich is almost certainly the original owner of the BC# that the HDOH has verified as currently belonging to Obama.

    In the next installment we will look at the only circumstance in which a new BC# can lawfully be assigned to a person. That will be the key that opens the door on what the HDOH has done, when, and why. Everything we’ve seen makes sense when we realize how the HDOH could legally try to justify giving Obama the BC# that belonged to Stig Waidelich.”

    http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2013/04/hdoh-gave-obama-stigs-birth-certificate-number.html

  32. Here is something else to add to the conversation. True or not, I highly doubt any of this will ever get past the gatekeeper msm. More ‘birther’ ridicule and laughter to ensue. Alinsky 101 on tap soon. I wish it wasn’t so, but I don’t foresee any of these things re the eligibility issue having any effect on the King unfortunately. He should be jailed for all the fraud he has committed but he has a wall around him that has yet to be breeched.

    http://beforeitsnews.com/obama-birthplace-controversy/2013/04/important-blockbuster-news-zullo-confirms-got-obamas-fathers-name-thisll-topple-us-potus-2458602.html

  33. Truth Squad

    Carson calls white liberals ‘most racist’ on Mark Levin show.

    After Levin asked him about white liberals, Carson, who is black, said, “They’re the most racist people there are because they put you in a little category, a box. How could you dare come off the plantation?”

    What are they going to do about Dr. Ben; he needs to be silenced, Chicago style. They cannot let this stand; until the marxists silence him, he will draw increasing support from those citizens who cling to our Bibles, guns and religion. Thank God he has the courage to speak out, when our traditional conservative leaders have behaved as cowards.

  34. cjzak ,
    i remind you that it is not only the msm being the gatekeeper and maintaining the wall of protection around the usurper and fraud but , it is also virtually all the so called conservative media to name the cowards and phonies ——— rush limbaugh , sean hannity , mark levin , bill o’ reilly and fox news , laura ingram , ann coulter , glen beck , melvid , the r n c , and several others but , you should get the point by now .

  35. Bill G,

    Did you watch The Five? I expected the racict Bob Beckel to attack Dr. Ben, but Dana Perino tried to discredit him as well. Disgusting!

  36. i will also add karl rove to the list of protectors . what a shameful person !

  37. danny,

    It seems like even the msm is not trusted with portraying Beelzabub in a favorable light, as press accessibility has been drastically cut back, and most photos supplied by the media are simply copied from whitehouse.gov.

    Control the source of information……….control the people. (No more of those embarassing photos of flies buzzing around.)

  38. citizenwells

    Some of the hallmarks of modern liberals:

    The end justifies the means.
    Lack of reason & accountability.
    White liberal guilt.

  39. citizenwells

    Here is a recent example:

    The lesson of the Newtown CT shootings.

    A rational, concerned, informed person reaches the proper conclusion.
    The school & the children were not protected.
    The rational person knows that to level the playing field, weaker people must be protected by firearms too.
    School security was not given the proper priority.
    Therefore, lacking accountability, others were blamed & a political agenda was furthered.
    The end justifies the means.

  40. http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2013/04/02/alabama-supreme-court-ruling-on-obama-eligibility-attorney-larry-klayman-appeal-obama-natural-born-citizen-status-questioned-al-supreme-court-all-republican-constitution-upheld/#comment-277298

    “… it was found that his office had no access to Hawaiian birth records …”
    ===============
    June 10, 2010

    “WND confirmed with Hawaiian officials that Adams was indeed working in their election offices during the last presidential election.

    “His title was senior elections clerk in 2008,” said Glen Takahashi, elections administrator for the city and county of Honolulu.

    Takahashi also confirmed Adams’ time frame at the office from spring until the month of August.

    “We hire temporary workers, because we’re seasonal,” he said.

    However, when WND asked Takahashi if the elections office could check on birth records, he said, “We don’t have access to that kind of records. [There's] no access to birth records.”

    Adams responded, “They may say, ‘We don’t have access to that.’ The regular workers don’t, the ones processing ballots; but the people in administration do. I was the one overseeing the work of the people doing the balloting.””

    http://www.wnd.com/2010/06/165041/

    ————–
    January 24, 2011

    “His position was senior elections clerk, overseeing a group of 50 to 60 employees responsible for verifying the identity of voters at the Absentee Ballot Office. It was in this capacity that Adams became aware of the search for Obama’s birth-certificate records.

    “During the course of my employment,” Adams swears in the affidavit (viewable in full as part 1 and part 2), “I became aware that many requests were being made to the City and County of Honolulu Elections Division, the Hawaii Office of Elections, and the Hawaii Department of Health from around the country to obtain a copy of then-Senator Barack Obama’s long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate.”

    As he inquired about the birth certificate, he says, his supervisors told him that the records were not on file at the Hawaii Department of Health.

    “Senior officers in the City and County of Honolulu Elections Division told me on multiple occasions that no Hawaii long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate existed for Senator Obama in the Hawaii Department of Health,” Adams’ affidavit reads, “and there was no record that any such document had ever been on file in the Hawaii Department of Health or any other branch or department of the Hawaii government.”

    In a recorded telephone interview, Adams told WND that it was common knowledge among election officials where he worked that no long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate could be found at the Hawaii Department of Health.

    “My supervisor came and told me, ‘Of course, there’s no birth certificate. What? You stupid,’” Adams said. “She usually spoke well, but in saying this she reverted to a Hawaiian dialect. I really didn’t know how to respond to that. She said it and just walked off. She was quite a powerful lady.””

    http://www.wnd.com/2011/01/254401/

  41. CW,

    I think it goes beyond “white” guilt. It is a matter of “collective” guilt. Accountability and sanity are the key words.

    If a white person mistreats a black person, then all white people are guilty. If a man rapes a women, then all men are guilty. If a crazy man kills dozens with a gun, then all gun owners are guilty.

    It must really suck to be a white, male, gun owner. You have a big target on your head…. especially if you are hetero.

    Unfortunately for liberals, this reasoning makes no sense to SANE people. And yes, there are still some of us left.

  42. Good post SueQ………..

    You words are so true…….

  43. If I was insane…. like most liberals are…….hmmm…..what would I think?

    Well, those in Chicago are killing poor blacks (including innocent babes) right and left. And yet “white” Rahm Emmanuel is doing nothing about it. He must really love black people……WOW…..Oh, never mind………..not a good example……I’ll think of a different one.

    Okay, what about this…..a Planned Parenthood doctor in Philly provides the black community with late term abortions….and if by chance they’re born alive?…..well not to worry….he just snips their spinal chord with a pair of scissors. Uh oh. That’s not a good example either.

    HOW THE HELL DO LIBERALS HAVE TWO LEGS TO STAND ON?

  44. You’re right SueQ

    Insanity at its best!

    These are the examples that need to be thrown in the faces of the liberal monsters that run the country as well as the liberal media that manipulate the daily news. (ha-ha)!

    Keep praying…

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