Tag Archives: United Nations

Iraq war, history 101, United Nations, US role, facts, revisionist history

There are 1 or more people commenting on this blog that are purportedly University of Western Florida students. Responding with comments to my posts is ok. Disagreeing with me is ok. Trying to take over this blog is not. If you need a platform for your agenda, start your own blog.

History 101 and the Iraq War

Prerequisites: some fundamental knowledge of 20th century history. Closest analogy to Iraq war in past 100 years, World War II.

Topic 1 – The Iraq war is costing a lot of money. There is a cost of action and a cost of inaction. Assignment: calculate the cost of World War II in today’s dollars. Cost in human lives. What would the dollar cost and human cost have been if we had not entered the war? What would the dollar cost and human cost have been if we had gotten involved 1 year earlier? 2 years earlier?

Now, suppose we had not stopped the Iraq invasion of Kuwait. Now suppose we had left Saddam Hussein unchecked. Now factor in Iran and their desire for a nuclear capabability. Don’t believe for 1 minute that Iran has not been pursueing a nuclear program. A friend of mine 25 years ago was married to an Iranian nuclear physicist.

Lesson: there is always a cost for action and a cost for inaction.

Topic 2 – Does the US have a desire to police the world? The answer is no. The United Nations had a clear purpose to prevent Saddam Hussein from getting out of control. The United Nations failed to perform it’s duty. Why? Key members, France, Germany and Russia were “in bed” financially with Saddam Hussein. If my memory is correct, our so called policing was welcome in World War II when the world was going down the toilet and close to Nazi domination.

Lesson: The US is forced into action by the irresponsibility of other nations. Fortunately, the Iraq war was a coalition of many countries including Great Britain and Australia.

Myth: The US is the cause of death and injuries to the Iraqi People. This is an outright lie. The people saying this are liars. Saddam Hussein, remnants of his regime, factional frictions and outside radical Islamic cowards are the cause. And yes, anyone that would attack innocent women and children or ask them to become a weapon, that person is the lowest level of coward. Radical Islamists, if you were real men, you would face American men face to face and not send women and children to do your evil killing.

Any questions, class?

Douglas Kinnard, UVM professor of political science, The War managers, University of Vermont, Vietnam vs Iraq, Question for professor, General Kinnard

First of all, I believed that we should not be in Vietnam when the war was going on and I believe that even more so now. I also respect Americans that served in Vietnam and followed their conscience. Dwight D Eisenhower, in a 1961 speech, warned of the military industrial complex. Here is the quote:

“In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.”

The rest of the speech can be viewed here:

http://coursesa.matrix.msu.edu/~hst306/documents/indust.html

I believe we must be on guard against the undue influence of armaments manufacturers. I also believe these financial gain sources played too big a role in our involvement in Vietnam. Of course, we still need to employ our checks and balances to guard against any undue influence.

Many have tried to connect imaginary dots to form an analogy between the Vietnam War and the Iraq War. The only strong analogy I can discern is that both were unpopular wars. I hope that all wars are unpopular wars. However, many choices in life are choosing the lesser of evils. Some wars such as The American Revolution, World War II and the Iraq War are the lesser of evils. If we had entered World War II earlier, I am certain that millions of lives could have been saved.
I am also convinced that if the United Nations had performed as it was chartered, our involvement in Iraq would have been radically different. Of course that was not possible with France, Germany and Russia being “in bed” with Saddam Hussein financially.

Douglas Kinnard, UVM professor of political science, former general in Vietnam and author of “The War Managers”, was interviewed in The Vermont Quarterly in the Fall 2007 issue. He speaks of his involvement with Vietnam as a general, in the military, and his opinion of the Vietnam War. At the end of the interview, he states, “Those who fail to learn from history are forced to repeat it.” I wholeheartedly agree with that statement, but would add that as long as the learning takes place from a broad based factual account of history and not revisionist history.

Professor Kinnard adds this statement at the end: “If Bush knew the real lessons of Vietnam, he would get out sooner than stay.” I would like a clarification of that statement. Was the statement made to appease the ultra liberal folks at The University Of Vermont, or was it a general (no pun intended) statement about lingering past our eminent usefulness? 

Dr. Douglas Kinnard, I respectfully request your response. I do not want to misrepresent your statement.
 

Brattleboro VT, Bush Cheney impeachment, indictment, arrest, Vermont, provide proof

Is there anyone in Brattleboro Vermont that can provide a rational, fact based explanation for your recent vote to impeach George W Bush and Dick Cheney? Arrest Bush or Cheney, just try it! Can anyone in Brattleboro VT provide any facts that support your claims about President Bush. Brattleboro VT, do you believe the rest of the country is going to stand by you? Citizens of Brattleboro VT, where do you get your information? University of Vermont, an extremely liberal college, where anything goes? NY Times? Citizens of Brattleboro VT, do you wake up every morning and say “I hate Bush”? Citizens of Brattleboro VT, do you know the real facts leading up to the Iraq War, the fact finding and opinions of the Clinton Administration? Citizens of Brattleboro VT, are you aware of intelligence reports of countries such as Great Britain? Citizens of Brattleboro VT, are you aware that the United Nations failed to deal with Saddam Hussein due to France, Germany and Russia being “in bed” with Hussein in financial dealings? George W Bush is a honorable, sincere apolitical man who does not play to the polls like his predecessor. So, Citizens of Brattleboro VT, what is your excuse for not knowing or caring about the facts?

Citizens of Brattleboro VT, give me your response.

Iraq War justification, Iraq War reasons, can we justify, Hillary Clinton, John McCain, Barack Obama

Below are some of the justifications for the Iraq War. What are your reactions to these quotes with 20/20 hindsight? Were we justified to invade Iraq? Were these statements credible and based on credible intelligence? Did Saddam Hussein use weapons of mass destruction? Respond with your comments.

1.  “We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the
stability and security of his neighbors with weapons of mass
destruction.”  “The chemical weapons Saddam has used and the biological weapons we know he has tested pay no attention to borders and nationalities.”

2.  “If diplomacy runs out, we have reserved the right to use
force and if we do so it will be substantial.”

3.  “No one has done what Saddam Hussein has done, or is thinking of doing.  He is producing weapons of mass destruction, and he is qualitatively and quantitatively different from other dictators.”

4.  “What we are doing is so that you all can sleep at night.  I am very proud of what we are doing.  We are the greatest nation in the world and what we are doing is being the indispensable nation, willing to make the world safe for our children and grandchildren, and for nations who follow the rules.”

5.  “Saddam (Hussein) must not be allowed to threaten his neighbors or the world with nuclear arms, poison gas or biological weapons.”

6.  “If Saddam can cripple the weapons inspections sytem and get away with it, he would conclude the international community, led by the United States, has simply lost its will.  He would surmise that he has free rein to rebuild his arsenal of destruction.”

7.  “Earlier today I ordered America’s armed forces to strike
military and security targets in Iraq.  They are joined by British forces.  Their mission is to attack Iraq’s nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors.  While other countires also had weapons of mass desctuction, Hussein is in a different category because he has used such weapons
against his own people and against his neighbors.

8.  “Along with Prime minister (Tony)Blair of Great Britain, I made it equally clear that if Saddam failed to cooperate fully we would be prepared to act without delay, diplomacy or warning.”

9.  “The best way to end that threat once and for all is with a new Iraqi goverment — a government ready to live in peace with its neighbors, a government that respects the rights of its people.”

10.  “But once more, the United States has proven that although we are never eager to use force, when we must act in America’s vital interests, we will do so.”