DISCLOSE ACT, HR 5175, Friday vote, June 18, 2010, First Amendment Rights, Democracy is Strengthened by Casting Light on Spending in Elections (DISCLOSE) Act

I received the following in an email a few minutes ago with a request to “PLEASE email, fax, call and otherwise reach out to your House member to vote NO on this legislation.”

 “DISCLOSE ACT (HR 5175) is set for vote FRIDAY AM!!!”

The DISCLOSE Act
June 16, 2010
 
On the Citizens United decision: “This is a defeat for arrogant elitists who wanted to carve out free speech as a privilege for themselves and deny it to the rest of us; and for those who believed that speech had a dollar value and should be treated and regulated like currency, and not a freedom.  Today’s decision reaffirms that the Bill of Rights was written for every American and it will amplify the voice of average citizens who want their voices heard.”
 
- Wayne LaPierre, National Rifle Association, January 21, 2010
 
“The proposals in the ‘DISCLOSE Act’ (Democratic Incumbents Seeking to Contain Losses by Outlawing Speech in Elections) amount to nothing more than political posturing…This bill would create another bureaucratic layer of political speech regulation, which would punish small business owners and grassroots groups who lack the resources to comply with such onerous provisions.”
 
- Bradley Smith, Center for Competitive Politics Chairman and Former FEC Commissioner, 2000-2005
 
 
On April 29, 2010, Congressman Chris Van Hollen (D-MD) introduced H.R. 5175, the Democracy is Strengthened by Casting Light on Spending in Elections (DISCLOSE) Act.  The bill is a direct response to Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission – a First Amendment victory in which the Supreme Court overturned the prohibition on corporations and unions using treasury funds for independent expenditures supporting or opposing political candidates at any time of the year.  Simply put, the DISCLOSE Act will limit the political speech that was protected and encouraged by Citizens United. 
 
The DISCLOSE Act was marked up on Thursday, May 20, 2010, and may come to the floor later this week after rumors that the Democrats have reached an agreement with certain key groups.  This is not meant to be an extensive analysis – which will be provided in the Legislative Bulletin once the bill comes to the floor – but rather to highlight some of the most egregious provisions of the bill.
 
Partisan ploy to get Democrats elected to Congress.  The bill, “coincidentally” sponsored by the chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee in charge of electing Democrats to Congress, re-writes campaign finance laws in favor of Democrats right before elections.  It was crafted behind closed doors with no input from Republican members of the House Administration Committee.  The bill was designed by Democrats to silence their political opponents.
 
Creates a special, narrow carve-out for specific organizations intended to sway votes toward passage of the bill.  The National Rifle Association (NRA), the Humane Society, and possibly a very small number of other groups, are reportedly covered in a last minute deal that creates an exemption from the financial disclosure requirements in the bill.  This carve out does nothing to protect the First Amendment rights of millions of Americans who want to engage in the political process but will instead be deterred by this bill. As stated in a Wall Street Journal editorial this morning, “Creating a special exception for the NRA, and thereby assuring the Democrats ‘good grades’ on Second Amendment rights, eases the way for the bill to be passed. A failing grade on First Amendment rights is somebody else’s problem.”  The exemption is intended to make it easier for a bad bill to get the votes it needs to pass.
 
Favors unions over corporations.  Current law already bans foreign nationals from contributing to elections. See the RSC Policy Paper on Citizens United for more details. DISCLOSE makes current law much more restrictive and bans independent expenditures on activity by American corporations with 20% or more foreign ownership.  However, similar restrictions are not included for unions with foreign members or non-citizen members.  As eight former Federal Election Commissioners stated in a recent Wall Street Journal article, “… Disclose does not ban foreign speech but speech by American citizen shareholders of U.S. companies that have some element of foreign ownership, even when those foreigners have no control over the decisions made by the Americans who run the company.”  Additionally, the new threshold for reporting ($600 in donations for independent expenditures) will have little effect on unions whose members’ annual dues average much lower than $600.  This would preclude unions from having to report.  The bill also prohibits independent expenditures or disbursing funds for electioneering communications by anyone with a government contract greater than $7 million.  (Originally, the threshold was $50,000, which was changed in mark-up.)  This does not apply to unions in collective bargaining agreements with the government.
 
Threatens organizations with lawsuits for non-compliance.  The bill becomes effective 30 days after enactment, giving the Federal Election Commission no time to craft regulations relating to the implementation of the bill, which will certainly be complicated, and not to mention expensive, to execute.  Organizations would have to operate without any guidance from the FEC and risk possible lawsuits.
 
Onerous disclosure and reporting requirements will deter citizen engagement.  The bill includes requirements that every incorporated entity engaged in independent campaign activity must list all donors of $600 or more with the Federal Election Commission (FEC).  The bill also requires CEOs of organizations to appear in the ads, and state their name and their organization two times.  Additionally, the top five funders of the organization must be listed in the ad (and top two for radio), and if there is a top “significant” funder, he or she must identify himself or herself, his or her title,  and state the name of the organization three times in the ad. These tedious and onerous requirements will have the effect of deterring organizations from getting involved in elections (and potentially take up most of the ad time). 
 
 
Citizens United was a triumph in defense of the First Amendment right to free speech and a reaffirmation of the rights of businesses, unions, and citizens’ associations to engage in political communications.  The DISCLOSE Act is the opposite, and the business community knows it.  This bill is an attack on the ability of non-party organizations to engage in the political realm during an election year. 
 
RSC Staff Contact: Natalie Farr, natalie.farr@mail.house.gov, (202) 226-0718

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104 responses to “DISCLOSE ACT, HR 5175, Friday vote, June 18, 2010, First Amendment Rights, Democracy is Strengthened by Casting Light on Spending in Elections (DISCLOSE) Act

  1. The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows that 25% of the nation’s voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president. Forty-six percent (46%) Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -21.

    Overall, 41% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the president’s performance. That’s the lowest level of approval yet recorded for this president. Fifty-eight percent (58%) now disapprove.

  2. REPUBLICANS PLAN TO HIRE DOZENS OF INVESTIGATORS TO TARGET OBAMA…
    Issa has eye on subpoena team

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0610/38697.html

  3. “This bill is an attack on the ability of non-party organizations to engage in the political realm during an election year. ”

    Isn’t this exactly what GE did in the last election cycle?

    They used their television news organization to elect an ineligible candidate to office of president. Now that usurper will funnel billions to GE via “green projects” and cap and trade.

    The “pay to play” game never ends, even after the “plan” has become obvious to the American people.

  4. “An exemption has been carved out for the Labor Unions and other leftist advocacy groups. The NRA was also exempted so they would not oppose it.

    Roll Call Magazine reports today that they have carved out even deeper exemptions in order to assure passage and we believe it clearly shows the intent of the bill is to diminish the effectiveness of Tea Party groups and other newer conservative advocacy groups.”

    http://beforeitsnews.com/news/80/567/DEFEAT_H.R._5175_8220;Disclose_Act_8221;_8211;_IT_IS_DESIGNED_TO_LIMIT_FREE_SPEECH.html

  5. Mr Clean // June 18, 2010 at 9:47 am

    REPUBLICANS PLAN TO HIRE DOZENS OF INVESTIGATORS TO TARGET OBAMA…
    Issa has eye on subpoena team.
    *******************************************

    Here’s something the article says:
    “In other words, Issa wants to be to the Obama administration what Rep. Dan Burton (R-Ind.) was to the Clinton administration — a subpoena machine in search of White House scandals.”

    Two things come to mind.
    1. When Burton subpoenaed Clinton, the white house sent millions of documents, but not the ones subpoenaed, and then went all over tv and said “we’ve sent them millions of documents, but they’re still not satisfied”. Stephy at ABC was part of it. I’m sure Obama will do the same thing and Stephy will read the news on ABC just the way Obama’s boys print it up for him.

    2. I see no evidence Issa will get into birth cert, ssn, or anything personal on Obama.

  6. Mr. Clean, while I appreciate Issa’s efforts he is WAY BEHIND THE CURVE & WAY TOO NAIVE. bo will have his Totalitarian Regime in place by the end of the Summer, if Patriots do not form Grand Juries and indict now.

    There is no way bo is going to allow free elections in Nov. 2010, we will be under Martial Law if we do not act as the 4th Branch of Government.

    http://grandjury.blogtownhall.com

  7. I do not believe the fraud stood in front of a group of witnesses and confessed, but here it is.

    Caution: the audio could be tampered with.

  8. Chief Justice John Marshall wrote in Marbury v. Madison “The very essence of civil liberty certainly consists in the right of every individual to claim the protection of the laws, whenever he receives an injury. One of the first duties of governments are to afford that protection. The government of the United States has been emphatically termed a government of laws, and not of men. It will certainly cease to deserve this high appellation if the laws furnish no remedy for the violation of a vested legal right.”

  9. JJ,
    Making this easier to access- in case the youtube link doesn’t work in the next – um- 30 seconds or so.

  10. JJ,
    He seems to turn to the camera or be far away on too many of the key phrases. Doesn’t he?

  11. Who is he talking to?

  12. Issa can see November from his House Oversight seat.

  13. More %&^*(*&(*)&&%&^%(*_*&^!!!

    President Barack Obama’s point man charting a new future for the oil-poisoned Gulf Coast will do the job part-time. Some environmentalists said the job demands someone’s full attention. Navy Secretary Ray Mabus, who oversees 900,000 Navy and Marine personnel, is inheriting an amorphous second job as the Obama administration’s leader of long-term environmental and economic planning. His task is no less than rebuilding a region still suffering after Hurricane Katrina and beset by decades of environmental problems. Mabus won’t resign from his Navy job.

    From the AP

  14. Clearly, the boBots are trying to create Cognitive Dissonance on this forum to confuse True Patriots. They do this by pretending to be “patriots” themselves and interjecting FALSE statements like. “bo is a NBC;” “We can’t legally remove bo. Instead, we should demand that politicians certify his NBC status;” “And Grand Jury proponents have already urged you not to bother petitioning your elected public officials for redress.”

    DON’T FALL FOR THESE BOGUS boBot CLAIMS.

    bo is NOT a NBC. Even if he had been born on the Steps of the US Capitol, he would not be a NBC, because, by bo’s own admission, his father was a British/Kenyan Citizen.

    Leo the Lawyer said…

    To further clarify the point: If you live in a County with a Conservative Constitutionalist Attorney General, by all means see if you can get the Attorney General’s cooperation in presenting your criminal information against BO & his co-conspirators to the Grand Jury, i.e., you don’t need to bypass the Attorney General if he is on your side, the side of Our Constitution.
    March 31, 2009 1:58 PM

    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/03/two-ideas-to-empower-patriots-by.html

  15. Free speech,

    I have a question,

    I seen where the Western Kentucky University has requested no more calls or contact with Tim Adams. Now if this request is due to the use of the university website and their phones, the I understand their position and privacy rights for use.

    My question to you is this. Did you secure a off campus contact for Tim Adams so you don’t have to go through the university?

  16. Gulf Oil Disaster: BP Cover Up of Sick Humans and Dead Animals

  17. Below video at YouTube:

    “freedom1776flag — May 02, 2010 — The video starts out with some content from obamasnippets.com, which, of course is contrived. And yet, there seems to be a synthetic truth about what the president says.”

  18. 1/4 Whistleblower Dr Deagle: Evacuate Florida By This Summer

  19. Could the beginning of the video, be from when he was running for Senator? We seen the articles Kenyan born wins State Senate seat? Keep up the good fight…stay safe…God Bless.

  20. Authentic or manipulated, the above video is as valid as any jpeg COLB or any jpeg birth announcement.

  21. William // June 18, 2010 at 11:02 am

    Free speech,

    I have a question,

    I seen where the Western Kentucky University has requested no more calls or contact with Tim Adams. Now if this request is due to the use of the university website and their phones, the I understand their position and privacy rights for use.

    My question to you is this. Did you secure a off campus contact for Tim Adams so you don’t have to go through the university?
    ***************************************

    Mr. Adams has legal representation. That is all I can ethically say.

  22. Evidence of bo’s Cover Up of Gulf Oil Disaster causing health epidemic:

  23. Has anyone considered what the Oil Laden Nuclear Fallout would be if the boTerrorists explode a suitcase Nuke or a Dirty Bomb in the Gulf of Mexico this Summer when the Hurricanes hit the Gulf?

  24. Free Speech,

    Thanks. The reason I asked is that I am in touch with a State rep. Wating to hear back from again in the next few days. I was also asked if I would be available over the weekend.

    My point of askinf you was for a direct contact with you as well if fruitfull, but it appears not.

    Thanks Free Speech, for your honesty and Ethics. Not many can uphold that as you do. I appreciate you and your posts.

  25. Prairie // June 18, 2010 at 11:30 am

    … the above video is as valid as any jpeg COLB or any jpeg birth announcement.
    ****************************************

    It is far more valid the any of the fraudulent disinformation that boBots like Gibbs have posted on the internet. It is evidence in bo’s own words, mo’s own words, his kenyan grandma’s own words and the words of various kenyan officials that bo was BORN IN KENYA!

    More than enough bo was BORN IN KENYA! to INDICT bo & ALL HIS LOCAL CO-CONSPIRATORS IN YOUR STATE FOR FRAUD

  26. bob strauss // June 18, 2010 at 10:02 am

    “This bill is an attack on the ability of non-party organizations to engage in the political realm during an election year. ”

    Isn’t this exactly what GE did in the last election cycle?
    _____________________________

    GE has YET to clean-up the Hudson River from the PCBs that it polluted the river with. It is slowly disappearing off the radar screen. I am there has been a deal made with the USURPER’s Gang.

    http://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&channel=s&hl=en&source=hp&q=GE+%2B+Hudson+River+%2B+PCBs&btnG=Google+Search

  27. I posted a few comments on the open thread.

  28. Free Speech // June 18, 2010 at 11:41 am
    ==============================

    I hope that Mr. Adams knows that many of us are deeply concerned for his safety and that we have great respect for his truthfulness. We are praying for him.

    Jonah

  29. Gordo – 11:18 AM

    When you say “contrived” (about the video), do you mean that the words that BHO says are not made by him? It certainly sounds like his voice, his cadence, etc. I realize that the video is made up of snippets from various sources, but it certainly sounds as though he says he was born in Kenya. Of course, if this talk was given before he was elected to Illinois Senate, then his birthplace would not have kept him from the seat.

  30. Let me be CLEAR! I it does NOT matter IF bo WAS BORN in KENYA or not. bo & Gibbs COMMITTED FRAUD when they posted a FRAUDULENT COLB on the INTERNET. Fraud for which bo & Gibbs can be prosecuted in every State in the Union.

    http://grandjury.blogtownhall.com

  31. Free Speech,

    Is your last comment directed for me?

  32. Leo the Lawyer said…

    To further clarify the point: If you live in a County with a Conservative Constitutionalist Attorney General, by all means see if you can get the Attorney General’s cooperation in presenting your criminal information against BO & his co-conspirators to the Grand Jury, i.e., you don’t need to bypass the Attorney General if he is on your side, the side of Our Constitution.
    March 31, 2009 1:58 PM

    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/03/two-ideas-to-empower-patriots-by.html

    If your local politicians does not act on your DEMAND to PROSECUTE bo and all his LOCAL CO-CONSPIRATORS THEN DO THIS:

    It is very important that Patriots know to do this:

    1) Find the CROOKED politicians in your City or Town that supported BO.

    2) Link these CROOKED politicians to crimes committed by the BO Campaign.

    3) Charge CROOKED politicians and BO as co-conspirators in the commission of campaign crimes and you have a Criminal Case against BO that can be prosecuted in Court in your County Seat.

    4) Of course, you add all the other Crimes that BO committed elsewhere to your INDICTMENT also. But to prosecute BO in your State you have to link him as a co-conspirator to crimes committed in your State.

    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/06/how-to-start-and-lead-citizens-grand.html

  33. For examples of charges for your INDICTMENT of local boCohorts go here:

    https://citizenwells.wordpress.com/category/nashville/

  34. William // June 18, 2010 at 12:36 pm

    Free Speech,

    Is your last comment directed for me?
    ********************************

    William,

    Just let the local politician know that anyone aiding or abetting bo or any of his local co-conspirators is subject to prosecution.

  35. Prairie @ 10:47 re: Mabus

    Nostradamus wrote:

    Mabus then will soon die, there will come
    A horrible undoing of people and animals:
    At once vengeance one will see vengeance,
    One hundred hands, thirst, famine, when the comet will run.

    http://www.dreamscape.com/morgana/mabus.htm

  36. Free Speech,
    I hear ya barkin’ big dog. I was just referring to the audio work and o’s confessions. Now that might be my next verse on o….”These are my confessions…”

  37. Bob Strauss…………………………………….

    I see it the same way, for whatever it is worth. Nothing like having a chest of gold from which you can steal AT WILL This seems to be the case where GE is concerned. That thought has been in my mind for a long time. I had largely forgotten it,but thanks to you it has all come back. Great hit Bob.

  38. Cabby – AZ // June 18, 2010 at 12:29 pm

    Gordo – 11:18 AM

    When you say “contrived” (about the video), do you mean that the words that BHO says are not made by him? It certainly sounds like his voice, his cadence, etc. I realize that the video is made up of snippets from various sources, but it certainly sounds as though he says he was born in Kenya. Of course, if this talk was given before he was elected to Illinois Senate, then his birthplace would not have kept him from the seat.
    ***********************************

    It is abundantly EVIDENT that up to and during bo’s run for President, until someone clued the DUMMIES bo & mo in, they were PROUD, to use mo’s words, that “KENYA IS bo’s HOME COUNTRY. “

  39. Mr.Clean………………………………………..

    I too am hopeful that they hire a bunch of special investigators with subpoena power. But in addition I also hope that a few honest Federal Judges will appear aas well.

  40. GET A LOAD OF THIS:

    HEAT OF THE MOMENT
    Guess who holds patent for carbon trading plan
    Disgraced Fannie Mae CEO set to cash in for millions

    Obama housing adviser Franklin Raines
    Former Clinton and Obama budget adviser Franklin Raines owns a key carbon-emissions patent he developed as CEO of the government-sponsored mortgage giant Fannie Mae, positioning him and his partners to make millions of dollars if it is used in any carbon-capping scheme implemented by the Obama administration………
    For more:

    http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=168077

    As WND reported, an Enron-like accounting scandal enabled Raines to earn $90 million in his five years as Fannie Mae CEO, from 1999 to 2004. (excerpt)

    Here we have another criminal feeding at the trough!

  41. Free Speech

    Prairie // June 18, 2010 at 12:47 pm

    Free Speech,
    I hear ya barkin’ big dog. I was just referring to the audio work and o’s confessions. Now that might be my next verse on o….”These are my confessions…”
    **********************************
    Sincerely, Prairie, someone should cut those lyrics you wrote to “We will Rock you.”

    Dog analogy is good. Although I graduated from Ole Miss, not MooU (Mississippi State), I am meaner than a Junk Yard Dog, but my Mom told me, “Don’t talk about it Lil’ Leo, DO IT.”

    So, I will bark no more at the VIDEO EVIDENCE OF FRAUD BY bo.

  42. Prairie // June 18, 2010 at 10:37 am

    JJ,
    Making this easier to access- in case the youtube link doesn’t work in the next – um- 30 seconds or so.

    OH,NO!! The most ‘transparent squad’ of the century wouldn’t do that—would they??? LOL

  43. http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/
    AMPUTATE OR DIE
    Written by Dr. Jack Wheeler
    Thursday, 17 June 2010
    But the question really is not whether Republicans have the courage to perform the surgery, to defund ObamaCare, to defund the entire Obama agenda, to defund entire agencies like the Department of Education, Energy, and the EPA. It is whether the TeaPartyers have the courage and capacity to force the Republicans to. I mean, how is eliminating the EPA extreme, and EPA unconstitutional fascism not extreme? We’ll find out, because they are America’s only hope now.”
    (more)

  44. Free Speech,
    I am afraid I can only write- not sing. My verses would be far more powerful and reach more if sung. The lyrics for “We Will Stop You” are free for the taking. I have many more I have written if someone with with the musical gift is interested.

  45. Cabby – AZ at 12:29 pm —

    “When you say “contrived” (about the video), …”
    =================
    Not my words. They are ‘copy & paste’ from the YouTube link for freedom1776flag:

    Look below video – click on ‘down-arrows’ for this from freedom1776flag :

    “The video starts out with some content from obamasnippets.com, which, of course is contrived. And yet, there seems to be a synthetic truth about what the president says.” (more)

  46. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Look, folks – I am not a BP fan, and I think there is likely a lot to lay at their feet – especially of the BP guy made them switch from mud to seawater – and double especially if they new the casing was damaged weeks before the explosion.

    BUT

    1. Shutting down deep sea drilling is criminal and un-American. Specifically, Brazil, China, Venezuela, others continue happily drilling away. Zero cannot control those – so in the meantime we just stab US only in the back.

    2. Drilling deep water wells is stupid and only done because the ecoterrorists won’t let us drill closer or on land.

    3. The big issue at the moment is cleanup and mitigation. This mostly falls on Government, not on BP. BP is doing a good job with trying to shut down well. (There will be time for figuring out root causes and blame later – now, must focus). Government is doing terrible job or THEIR part.

    4. Yet Zero and congress kicks azz of BP. What is wrong with this picture?

    5. Finally:

    The most depressing thing I’ve seen/heard in weeks:

    Yesterday Zero extorted $20B from BP to make yet another slush fund from which Zero can buy favors.

    In the Senate hearings, most of the (Democrat, of course) Senators tried to gouge out the eyes of BP.

    Instead, one brave Republican Senator took his time slot to correctly excoriate the WH for a “shakedown”.

    So far, so good.

    Then the Republican leadership made him take back his remarks under threats of losing committee assignments.

    WHAT IS THE MATTER WITH THESE PEOPLE???????????

    Why isn’t anyone allowed to say the TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  47. Free speech,

    First and foremost, I dearly apprecite your legal knowledge and stance as well as always have been a supporter of your personal causes of which I do believe you will be vendicative of.

    However and albeit, I am not an attorney and thouroughly enjoy reading, researching different legal scholars analysis, conclusions, footnotes, past case as well as supportive arguements and different legal strategies, it is my responsibility as an individual to reseach and educate myself as a citizen.

    Having said that, in my professional experience with manufacturing and operations, engineering functions, the ruke of Enstien must apply. The deffinition of insanity is when you keep doing the same thing over and over again and somehow expect a different outcome.

    I am all for citizen grand jury, and I do know that with the over 100 plus that were formed in the last 2 years, not one produced a result. Not one conserative AG of any State ever moved. Also, with the 6 State the do require Elections committee to fork over their supporting evidence (the DNC) for proper qualifications, they have refused. 4 of these States had a conserative AG in office and refused to act, even with the Grand juries, even with the filed citizen complaints, even with being sued.

    So where does that leave us? As Einstien said? Just if? Just do it slightly differnt this time? Just maybe my conservative AG might act this time, 2 years later?

    Yes, I agree with you, you might hit the lottery this time if your AG has a change of heart, proceed and file a law suit against, as you said, those dicectly involved in the cover up of bo and file charges only afainst those involved. This may be true and I understand your point, however, who are the only ones involved and how deep does it go? I can’t answer that inspecific numbers and specific people only.

    When process failures occured in my past management role there were indeed many engineers reporting to me to claim to have the sole solution. Amazingly, 15 of them had 15 differnt resolutions to resolve it, which one is correct?

    I do not believe that my suggestion yesterday was any further off than what many others are suggesting to resolve this problem of bo, if so, then I will kepp my suggestions to myself.

  48. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Free Speech // June 18, 2010 at 12:30 pm

    =====================

    You said something brilliant (more precisely, you quoted YOURSELF saying something brilliant some months ago!) on the previous thread. I made an appropriate comment over there.

  49. CC,

    I responded to your comments on the thread before last, the Ali Ata one, this morning as well as to Zach. Quite funny to read.

  50. Upstate Warrior……………………………………………

    Watched the video and it closely parallels my comments on a prior thread. I too think that there is at least some heating of some areas of the Gulf floor from much further down. The oil pool just happens to be in between the floor, and the volcanic activity. When sea water gets to within a certain proximity of the source of the heating the water will FLASH to steam. At first it may be only insignificant,but if it continues than there is a very grave possibility of the volcanic activity to push upward through the drilling corridor and become a deep sea smoking vent ,thousands of which exist in the Pacific. The probability of LETHAL gas being exhausted to the surface I too think is possible and perhaps even probable. For BP to have allowed sea water to be used in the drilling operations rather that drilling mud might become a moot issue simply because the crude being under such terrific pressure it is a real possibility that even drilling mud would not have contained the hyper pressure from below. If BP knew of any radical temperature increases at the well head, or on the floor of the Gulf they should have immediately ceased drilling activity, until geologists could better assess the likelyhood of such a volcanic activity. They would instantly know that the volcanic activity below the oil would create a hyper overpressure from below the crude, and probably culminate in a disasterous outcome. The more I think about this scenario,the more convinced I am of the accuracy of the information. It all fits!. I would further suggest that if BP knew anything that even suggested that such a possibility existed,I personally believe that they had a moral obligation to all who live and work in close proximity to the drilling ,to IMMEDIATELY STOP drilling. If they KNEW and chose to continue then BP should have to face possible criminal charges as well, or at least be held NEGLIGENT, and because of their negligence have caused the death of 11 people so far. If anything radical happens forward of this date then there could be a much greater loss of life as well. The POTENTIAL IS THERE. There is only a need to light the right fuse at the right time.

  51. William – 1:19 PM

    You speak the truth, IMHO, William. Your professional experience has shaped your outlook to be sensible and pragmatic with respect to solutions. Coming from a background of accounting, including tax planning, etc., I also see things in a realistic way – practical, if you will.

    Having previously expressed my acknowledgment of FS’s fine research and presentation of his recommendations, I’ve already shared my reasons for feeling that somehow we are missing the mark, and not because of lack of diligence or sincerity. It seems that following a policy that is not shown to be productive (at least not yet), should give us pause to reflect. What, if anything, should we be doing differently?

    We are always “trailing” with respect to the problem, it seems, through no fault of anyone.
    Somehow we must jump ahead in our thinking and try a strategy that will “cut him off at the pass”, to put it bluntly. Any court cases will probably take too long to work their way through the system; however, having said that, I am all for continuing the efforts in progress in the hope that something will “take”.

    We have an abundance of BHO crimes, but there is always the question as to which jurisdiction to present them in, notwithstanding FS’s advice to take them to local authorities. I do have to say that jbjd’s comments (oh, do I dare say it, without be misconstrued?) about the present status of juries being under the control of the court system makes sense to me. It may be considered unconstitutional, but this is the “lay of the land” as we now find ourselves in. Therefore, citizens grand juries would have to duke it out first to even be heard. SCOTUS may be the bright hope, but even SCOTUS is not likely to go against the established rules for the lower courts, imo. All of this takes time – maybe
    even years….. OK, FS, give me ten lashes with a wet noodle! Let’s hear it straight from you!

  52. Margie // June 18, 2010 at 11:21 am

    That also was my first thought!!

    Thanks.
    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Free Speech // June 18, 2010 at 11:51 am

    Evidence of bo’s Cover Up of Gulf Oil Disaster causing health epidemic

    Does it remind us of what 9/11 rescuers were told??
    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  53. Free Speech

    Cabby – AZ // June 18, 2010 at 1:52 pm

    Having previously expressed my acknowledgment of FS’s fine research and presentation of his recommendations, I’ve already shared my reasons for feeling that somehow we are missing the mark, and not because of lack of diligence or sincerity. It seems that following a policy that is not shown to be productive (at least not yet), should give us pause to reflect. What, if anything, should we be doing differently?

    FORM LOCAL GRAND JURIES NOT illegitimate online grand juries. DO NOT IDENTIFY WHICH politicians YOU ARE INVESTIGATING. ONCE THE GRAND JURY IS FORMED JUST PRESENT THE EVIDENCE.

    We are always “trailing” with respect to the problem, it seems, through no fault of anyone.
    Somehow we must jump ahead in our thinking and try a strategy that will “cut him off at the pass”, to put it bluntly. Any court cases will probably take too long to work their way through the system; however, having said that, I am all for continuing the efforts in progress in the hope that something will “take”.

    THE CASE AGAINST bo WILL GO DIRECTLY TO SCOTUS UPON ORIGINAL JURISDICTION & IT WILL BE OVER IN DISCOVERY, I.E., IT WILL NOT TAKE A LONG TIME TO WORK THROUGH THE SYSTEM.

    PLEASE READ MY ARTICLE:

    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/03/two-ideas-to-empower-patriots-by.html

    We have an abundance of BHO crimes, but there is always the question as to which jurisdiction to present them in, notwithstanding FS’s advice to take them to local authorities. I do have to say that jbjd’s comments (oh, do I dare say it, without be misconstrued?) about the present status of juries being under the control of the court system makes sense to me. It may be considered unconstitutional, but this is the “lay of the land” as we now find ourselves in. Therefore, citizens grand juries would have to duke it out first to even be heard. SCOTUS may be the bright hope, but even SCOTUS is not likely to go against the established rules for the lower courts, imo.

    CABBY, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT YOU ARE WRONG. IT IS THE JOB OF SCOTUS “to go against the established rules for the lower courts.” THINK ABOUT IT IF SCOTUS IS NOT IN PLACE TO OVERRULE THE ERRORS OF lower courts WHY ARE CASES APPEALED TO SCOTUS?

    OK, FS, give me ten lashes with a wet noodle!
    Let’s hear it straight from you!
    ************************************

    My noodles are not wet, Cabby.

  54. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Free Speech -

    I don’t want to put words in Cabby’s mouth, but one thing I think she is trying to say is:

    We have all been hammered by the lawyers that the purpose of an appeals court is NOT to retry the case but to ensure that the lower courts did things correctly – i.e. no procedural errors.

    I think she is saying that the USSC can overrule a lower court if they violated the process, but will not overrule them if they did follow the process correctly. i.e. the appeals courts will not overrule the lower courts just because they did not like the verdict.

  55. oldsalt79 // June 18, 2010 at 12:49 pm

    Bob Strauss…………………………………….

    I see it the same way, for whatever it is worth. Nothing like having a chest of gold from which you can steal AT WILL This seems to be the case where GE is concerned. That thought has been in my mind for a long time. I had largely forgotten it,but thanks to you it has all come back. Great hit Bob.

    You guys told it like it is. It’s all about stealing the peoples money.

    Pete

  56. Free Speech // June 18, 2010 at 2:10 pm
    My noodles are not wet, Cabby.
    ***********************************************
    Thanks, FS, for the responses!

    You are truly in good form! No wonder
    your Mom said what she did:

    “….but my Mom told me, “Don’t talk about it Lil’ Leo, DO IT.” “

  57. Any word on what is going on with the case …Lt.Col.Lakin’s?

  58. C – AZ, the SCOTUS has already ruled on the scope of authority granted to Article V Grand Juries, in the Williams case, which Leo H. has referenced as the case validating his claims, the Grand Jury is the way to attack the ‘crimes’ he alleges BO has committed. (The holding in that case, authored by J. Scalia, is contained in a comment I posted previously, and re-post below.) In short, the high court held that while Grand Juries are autonomous, that is, they do not fall under the jurisdiction of any of the 3 branches of government; in order to conduct their work, they cannot violate existing laws; or compel either testimony from witnesses or the production of documents, without lawful orders obtained from the court.

    True, the grand jury cannot compel the appearance of witnesses and the production of evidence, and must appeal to the court when such compulsion is required. See, e. g., Brown v. United States, 359 U.S. 41, 49 (1959). And the court will refuse to lend its assistance when the compulsion the grand jury seeks would override rights accorded by the Constitution, see, e. g., Gravel v. United States, 408 U.S. 606 (1972) (grand jury subpoena effectively qualified by order limiting questioning so as to preserve Speech or Debate Clause immunity), or even testimonial privileges recognized by the common law, see In re Grand Jury Investigation of Hugle, 754 F. 2d 863 (CA9 1985) (same with respect to privilege for confidential marital communications) (opinion of Kennedy, J.). Even in this setting, however, we have insisted that the grand jury remain “free to pursue its investigations unhindered by external influence or supervision so long as it does not trench upon the legitimate rights of any witness called before it.” United States v. Dionisio, 410 U.S. 1, 17-18 (1973).

    And in general, you are correct about the scope of review that can be conducted by a higher court, which is limited to a procedural inquiry. But Leo H. argues, a Grand Jury can petition the SCOTUS directly, to take original jurisdiction. In other words, the Grand Jury would not have been heard in a lower court, before asking the high court to grant its requested relief.

  59. http://hillbuzz.org/
    IDEA: How to solve the Obamaspill Gulf Disaster — have his cultists head to the Gulf and chant “Hope! Change!” at it in candlelit vigils beneath styrofoam pillars
    Here’s another commercial we’d love to see the RNC or Tea Party people run. Please feel to take any of these ideas we ever have and run with them, as we don’t have the capability to do this stuff ourselves, and wish we had access to the equipment, funding, and resources to pull this off. As we think of things, we put it out there, and it’s our intent for those of you out there reading with connections to just run with this.
    We’d love to see a commercial made, for both YouTube and TV runs, where the thousands of bleary-eyed, zombified Obama cultists chanting “Hope! Change! O-ba-ma!” are superimposed over images of the Gulf shoreline and Obamaspill Disaster.
    They are holding their candles.
    They are delivering homage unto their Lightbringer.
    The styrofoam columns and faux-Olympian set from Obama’s Denver Convention acceptance speech have returned, and are planted in the waters of the Gulf like a petroleum-slicked Atlantis.
    On the shore, toes tickled by rainbow swirling water, the cultists chant:
    HOPE!
    CHANGE!
    O-BA-MA! O-BA-MA! O-BA-MA!
    We think the American public needs to be reminded of the insanity of 2008 that got us to where we are today.

  60. Cabby,

    Yes, I speak from the heart and decades of experience.

    Could you imagine Cabby if the Federal or State government was held to the accounting principles that we in the priviate sector are? Why can’t they and why don’t they?

    If lose 500k and cannot account for it, my butt, or someones, is going to prison. The government cannot account for billions, and they will look into the matter?

    Allow you or I to make that same claim and see what happens to us. I disageed with our CEO all the time during our one hour daily conference calls. He was an accountant and that itself is a conflict of lean management. For example, we have loss of sales, therefore I only ran the neccessary procees lines to maintain such sales, thus not to build inventory. He would call (cannot repeat such conversations here) yelling and fist pounding that we need to run for absorbtion (tax reasons as you know from idel production equiptment).

    Ok, we don’t have the sales to support no more than running 70% of the plant, nevertheless, I will follow the presidents directive, although I only reported to my direct VP, you get the picture.

    Next week, comes the accounting figures, we are building massive inventory. No kidding. Who would’ve ever figured that when you only have sales that calls for running 70% capasity and you now instruct me to run wide ass open for accounting absorbtion, inventory will build, and quickly.

    Now instructed to slam the halt on production to allow inventory to catch up. Next week, week, what the hell are you doing, we need accounting absorbtion.. on and on.. most folks or employees do not understand what goes on behind corporate closed doors to keep the business running or what we go through.

    The ultimate tax that devistated us was the LIFO tax. As you know is a 4th Qrt tax. This affects every industry differently, its sole factor is dependant upon the lenght of your supplyy chain. Ours was 13 weeks, as most raw material came from Africa and Europe. We had at my plants, half of billion in salea, we had a 100M in profit, that was a 20% return and profit. Excellent right? Well, due to the lenght of our supply chain, when you sign a purchace order, it is concidered in your inventory, even though it is sitting in another country. That LIFO tax was 90M on the 100M of our P margin, therefore, we only had a year end margin .5% or half percent.

    Now it does not take a rocket master in engineering to understand that if you have a haqlf of percent in earnings due to taxea taking the majority of it away, it is not worth investing in such business, in fact, you caqn put your money in a checking account and earn more interest. Little lone ask investors to help you expand.

    I am rambling and need to quit.

  61. Citizen Carlyle @ 1:18 PM
    And THEN they call for Rep Barton to RESIGN for his remarks while they give a pass to the “WHO ARE YOU?” dem senator that assaulted a college kid!!

  62. Citizen Carlyle – 2:29 PM

    I think she is saying that the USSC can overrule a lower court if they violated the process, but will not overrule them if they did follow the process correctly. i.e. the appeals courts will not overrule the lower courts just because they did not like the verdict.
    ******************************
    Thanks for the input, CC (I need and welcome all the help possible). Well, there are times when SCOTUS does overrule the verdict because the opinion of the lower court was wrong, i.e., the VERDICT does not meet constitutional standards.

    What I am really trying to bridge is the gap which I see between citizens grand juries (as outlined by FS, not the internet variety) and what FS says is SCOTUS’ immediate involvement. Here is where jbjd’s explanations have merit, i.e., even though FS is following the Constitution with respect to the power of citizens grand juries, how can we automatically expect SCOTUS to step in directly without following traditional PROCEDURE of the jury presentations being first heard by lower court(s)?

    I believe that FS’s approach IS constitutional, but that doesn’t automatically mean that SCOTUS, regardless of their oath, will see fit to take a case directly from a citizens’ grand jury.

    We all know that SCOTUS is very choosy as to what cases they will hear. Sometimes the decisions don’t make sense to the average layman.

  63. Michelle @ 2:48 PM,
    shouldn’t that be “OBAAAMA, OBAAAMA!

  64. ” he’s out of his cotton-picking mind”. — so said Julia Reed, Newsweek senior editor on CNN on Anderson Cooper 360 said about Obama

  65. Kim @ 2:56 pm
    “shouldn’t that be “OBAAAMA, OBAAAMA!” that was the hillbuzz guys.
    During the election cycle my brother came home and he was doing O-Bama, O-Bama sound like some weird chant, I said what the he$$ are you doing, knock it off you’re creeping me out. He said that’s what the kids are doing, they’re chanting this stuff. I thought he was kidding, guess he wasn’t. Something about that chant creeps me out, but I do like Gregorian chant, or Buddist chants.

  66. yo @ 2:57 pm
    Where can we find this, video ?, article? I know Anderson Cooper is an animal and sea lover.

  67. Free Speech

    Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) // June 18, 2010 at 2:29 pm

    Free Speech -

    I don’t want to put words in Cabby’s mouth, but one thing I think she is trying to say is:

    We have all been hammered by the lawyers that the purpose of an appeals court is NOT to retry the case but to ensure that the lower courts did things correctly – i.e. no procedural errors.

    I think she is saying that the USSC can overrule a lower court if they violated the process, but will not overrule them if they did follow the process correctly. i.e. the appeals courts will not overrule the lower courts just because they did not like the verdict.
    **********************************

    Any good lawyer will file a Motion for Judgment Notwithstanding the Verdict when a jury rules against them, i.e., you ask the judge to OVERRULE the jury verdict. The reason you do that is do ask the appellate court to overrule the judge if he does not grant your request to overrule the jury. That is to say that SCOTUS can overrule any jury verdict if it is not supported by the facts and the law.

    “Judgment notwithstanding the verdict, also called judgment non obstante veredicto, or JNOV, is a type of judgment as a matter of law (JMOL) that is ordered at the conclusion of a jury trial.

    JNOV is the practice in American courts whereby the presiding judge in a civil jury trial may overrule the decision of a jury and reverse or amend their verdict. In literal terms, the judge enters a verdict notwithstanding the jury findings. This intervention, often requested but rarely granted, permits the judge to exercise discretion to avoid extreme and unreasonable jury decisions.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judgment_notwithstanding_verdict

  68. yo @ 2:57 pm
    http://hotairpundit.blogspot.com/2010/06/newsweek-editor-julia-reed-on-cnn-obama.html
    I disagree with Julia on one thing she said Obama has been disconnected for the last two months, I would say he’s be disconnected since the day he was born in more ways than one. The sins of the country are visited on the Gulf States, and all other innocents?

  69. Free Speech

    Cabby – AZ // June 18, 2010 at 2:55 pm

    Citizen Carlyle – 2:29 PM

    I think she is saying that the USSC can overrule a lower court if they violated the process, but will not overrule them if they did follow the process correctly. i.e. the appeals courts will not overrule the lower courts just because they did not like the verdict.
    ******************************
    Thanks for the input, CC (I need and welcome all the help possible). Well, there are times when SCOTUS does overrule the verdict because the opinion of the lower court was wrong, i.e., the VERDICT does not meet constitutional standards.

    What I am really trying to bridge is the gap which I see between citizens grand juries (as outlined by FS, not the internet variety) and what FS says is SCOTUS’ immediate involvement. Here is where jbjd’s explanations have merit, i.e., even though FS is following the Constitution with respect to the power of citizens grand juries, how can we automatically expect SCOTUS to step in directly without following traditional PROCEDURE of the jury presentations being first heard by lower court(s)?
    **************************************
    In short, Cabby, SCOTUS will take the case directly upon Original Jurisdiction because that is what the Constitution requires SCOTUS to do.

    It is noteworthy that it has been over a year and a half since I first began to write about the Citizens Grand Jury Process and Original Jurisdiction in the Supreme Court of cases against Barrack Hussein Obama and, to date, BHO’s lawyers have never been able to refute my Constitutional argument.

    The precedent for getting standing and bringing a case directly to the United States Supreme Court upon Original Jurisdiction is the landmark case of Marbury v. Madison 5 U.S. (1 Crunch) 137, 2 L.Ed. 60 (1803). As succinctly stated by Chief Justice Marshall in Marbury, “If a persons duty is backed by law and not by political in nature, then he becomes subject of the law and is examinable by the court.”

    Article III, Section 2 of the United States Constitution states, “In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction.”

    Marbury was a case involving a minor public minister. The case against Barrack Hussein Obama involves all “Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls” of the United States and of all foreign nations with diplomatic status with the United States. Furthermore, the case against Barrack Hussein Obama involves all States of the United States as parties.

    As in Marbury, We the People shall prosecute our cases against Barrack Hussein Obama petitioning the United States Supreme Court for a Writ of Mandamus compelling Barrack Hussein Obama to abide by the Constitutional Contract that he entered into with We the People on January 20, 2009 and uphold his Oath to abide by the Supreme Law of the Land, the Constitution of the United States of America.

    It is stated in United States v. Butterworth, 18 S. Ct. 441, 169 U.S. 600 at 602 (1898),
    “The office of a writ of mandamus is to compel the performance of a duty resting upon the person to whom the writ is sent. That duty may have originated in one way or in another. It may, as alleged in the present case, have arisen from the acceptance of an office which has imposed the duty upon its incumbent. But no matter out of what fact or relations the duty has grown, what the law requires, and what it seeks to enforce by a writ of mandamus, is the personal obligation of the individual to whom it addresses the writ.”

    Following much good faith research regarding the issue of original jurisdiction in the Supreme Court of the United States, We the People have found no cases in the history of jurisprudence of the United States of America wherein a Defendant disputed the Constitutional fact that the Supreme Court of the United States has original jurisdiction over “all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls” as plainly stated in the Constitution of the United States, Article III, Section 2.

    That being the case, “We the People” respectfully request that the Barack Hussein Obama stipulate to the fact that the Supreme Court of the United States has original jurisdiction over all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls; or, in the alternative, that Barack Hussein Obama show good cause why the Supreme Court of the United States shall not have original jurisdiction.

  70. THE CONSTANT LIAR & SERIAL CRIMINAL USURPER BARRY SOETORO/BARACK OBAMA IS CAUGHT LYING IN ANOTHER DAILY PUBLIC LIE

    “The President’s Oil Reserves Lie”

    By Chad Stafko

    June 16, 2010

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/06/the_presidents_oil_reserves_li.html

  71. jbjd – 2:47 PM

    “………Even in this setting, however, we have insisted that the grand jury remain “free to pursue its investigations unhindered by external influence or supervision so long as it does not trench upon the legitimate rights of any witness called before it.” United States v. Dionisio, 410 U.S. 1, 17-18 (1973).”
    ****************************
    Thank you, jbjd, for your comments. I’ve taken the liberty to extract just one part of the quote of Justice Scalia cited in your above post.

    The reason for focusing on this segment is because this would be the part that the citizens grand juries would rely upon in believing that SCOTUS would be there to hear their presentments. Now suppose, that the juries did NOT violate the constitutional rights of those being investigated as stated in same citation of
    J. Scalia:

    “…And the court will refuse to lend its assistance when the compulsion the grand jury seeks would override rights accorded by the Constitution, …..”, but just looked at published reports of wrong-doing, assembled the information in good form and made a presentment, perhaps, to some local official that was in sympathy with the cause……. Well, as you pointed out on another thread, something to the effect that how would that differ from just gathering some friends of like mind and doing the same thing?

    There is one thing I’ve learned from reading information re. grand juries: Members must be selected on a random basis and their presentments would be totally disqualified if there were any prior prejudice. As a practical matter how would one go about seeking such jurors? By running an ad? I wouldn’t personally respond to such an ad without knowing what this was all about. Then, of course, inquiry would bring some sort of response, perhaps, ever so general, such as, “Cleaning up the excesses of government”. I don’t think that would fly, either with me or ultimately with the “unbiased” requirement.
    Perhaps I am too narrow minded. But it seems that this is where “the rubber meets the road.”

  72. Michelle @ 2:48 pm

    That would make a great video. To add to it: a small pip in one of the corners of the video of jug ears dancing like a girl on the Ellen Degeneres show.

  73. Michelle @ 3:13 pm

    Newsweek’s Reed: Obama “out of his cotton-picking mind”

    http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/video.aspx?v=Xd2G8zIruz

  74. THE DESPICABLE & DELIBERATE LIAR & SERIAL CRIMINAL USURPER BARRY SOETORO/BARACK OBAMA IS CAUGHT LYING IN ANOTHER DAILY PUBLIC LIE!!

    “The President’s Oil Reserves Lie”

    By Chad Stafko

    June 16, 2010

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/06/the_presidents_oil_reserves_li.html

    # # # #

    ALL American’s Wake Up Quickly!!

    There are NO USA Oil Reserves Shortages in the USA!! The USA has enough Oil Reserves for the USA to use that will last for many hundreds of years, until alternative “cleaner” fuel can be discovered, tested, and used safely.

    The USA DOES NOT need to purchase FOREIGN OIL from any FOREIGN NATION. This is a well-known SCAM that is being deliberately perpetrated on the American Citizens!!

  75. Again,

    I am not an attorey, however, I do have something called critical thing skills, the ability to look up past cases and the power as a citizen to question.

    I have many times here such comments as “The Supreme Court cannot deny if filed This Way”

    The US Supreme Count cannot deny a citizen grand jury if filed that way.

    The US Supreme Court cannot and will not deny any case brought forth by Citizens in a grand jury indiment by the common citizens…..

    The US Supreme court will enforce all indictments againts obama and his co-conspirators, they have no choise.

    Really??,,

    Last time I checked, the Supreme court has the choise to pick and choose what the wish to hear…

    I am leary of anyone that says there is only one way to solve the problem and the SCOTUS has no choice but my way.

    Really? Adding knowlege to educate is one thing, claiming SCOTUS must hear, wil hear and no choice but to hear, is highly questionable.

  76. Back to thumb typing to fast and mispelling. Oh well, you get the critical point.

    Show me an all 100 percent correct attorney and I’ll sell you a parcel of land with condos on Mars.

  77. http://www.wnd.com
    http://www.repubx.com
    gOLDMAN sACK ASKED TO TAKE OVER BP’S
    ASSEYS SO THEY DO NOT GO BANKRUPT??
    What is a few billion dollars when CCX,CHICAGO CLIMATE EXCHANGE ,STANDS TO MAKE 10 TRILLION PLUS IF A CLIMATE BILL PASSES???
    This is what this is all about.They desperately need a Climate bill ,at the peril of American citiens,so all involved with CCX CAN RAKE IN TRILLIONS
    Beck exposed this weeks ago.Jarrett and BO started CCX A FEW YRS AGO.This is their plan!! Needs to be investigated and get the TRUTH OUT ABOUT THIS HUGE SCAM.Gore,Reigns,goldman sacs,BO ,JARRET AND WHO KNOWS WHO ALL IS INVOLVED?? wE SAY ANY SENANATOR AO CONGRESSMEN THAT IS FOR CLIMATE BILL PROBABLY HAS SHARES IN THERE SOMEWHERE?????

    BECK’S NEW BOOK OVERTON WINDOW,A THRILLER.Beck says he hopes the end stays fictional and not come to reality

  78. Free Speech

    Cabby – AZ // June 18, 2010 at 3:26 pm

    You can find your impartial Grand Jurors in local community groups, church groups, local civic groups etc. Your stated intent must be to investigate government corruption, not to investigate any particular individual.

    Leo the Lawyer said…

    To further clarify the point: If you live in a County with a Conservative Constitutionalist Attorney General, by all means see if you can get the Attorney General’s cooperation in presenting your criminal information against BO & his co-conspirators to the Grand Jury, i.e., you don’t need to bypass the Attorney General if he is on your side, the side of Our Constitution.
    March 31, 2009 1:58 PM

  79. And in 2 years from now, 4 years from now, and every year after, they still have issues of recognitions.

    Do I personally believe we need to bring back or challege the other branches to recogize the 4th branch of of government? Hell yes, in the meantime, time is not on the side of aruguing 60 years of judicial change all the way to SCOTUS.

    So while this battle is is in the forefront and the enemy is on every side, let’s discuss flanking them where they least expect it.

    When your business is failing to compition, you do not keep the same strategy and moan abouy “it should work” and “maybe this time after 190 tries, or maybe change in consumers heart, you just need to spend 15 years finding the right one.

    BS. You change what didn’t work in any means possible, and trust me, no simple alterations is probable to work if it is dirrectly correlated to the last solution.

    Just my experience and opinion.

  80. On a last note,

    Could anyone imagine that there was only one strategy, one answer, to every battle ever fought against an enemy in historic times, and sruck only to that? Critizing all others.?

    If anyone knows a slight bit of history over the last 5000 years, they should recognize such proclaimations of so called past leaders and their ultimate demise of entire country, entire society, cultures, ect.

    Yes, the kings of the past and the pharohs had advisors that proclaimed only there visions were correct…. is anyone here one of those only my way correct ones?

    I surely hope not, other go back and read.

  81. Free Speech

    William,

    There is only one way to peacefull remove bo quickly & that is through the Grand Jury process. If you have another option, please state it. We need action now.

    SCOTUS will take the case directly upon Original Jurisdiction because that is what the Constitution requires SCOTUS to do.

    It is noteworthy that it has been over a year and a half since I first began to write about the Citizens Grand Jury Process and Original Jurisdiction in the Supreme Court of cases against Barrack Hussein Obama and, to date, BHO’s lawyers have never been able to refute my Constitutional argument.

    The precedent for getting standing and bringing a case directly to the United States Supreme Court upon Original Jurisdiction is the landmark case of Marbury v. Madison 5 U.S. (1 Crunch) 137, 2 L.Ed. 60 (1803). As succinctly stated by Chief Justice Marshall in Marbury, “If a persons duty is backed by law and not by political in nature, then he becomes subject of the law and is examinable by the court.”

    Article III, Section 2 of the United States Constitution states, “In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction.”

    Marbury was a case involving a minor public minister. The case against Barrack Hussein Obama involves all “Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls” of the United States and of all foreign nations with diplomatic status with the United States. Furthermore, the case against Barrack Hussein Obama involves all States of the United States as parties.

    As in Marbury, We the People shall prosecute our cases against Barrack Hussein Obama petitioning the United States Supreme Court for a Writ of Mandamus compelling Barrack Hussein Obama to abide by the Constitutional Contract that he entered into with We the People on January 20, 2009 and uphold his Oath to abide by the Supreme Law of the Land, the Constitution of the United States of America.

    It is stated in United States v. Butterworth, 18 S. Ct. 441, 169 U.S. 600 at 602 (1898),
    “The office of a writ of mandamus is to compel the performance of a duty resting upon the person to whom the writ is sent. That duty may have originated in one way or in another. It may, as alleged in the present case, have arisen from the acceptance of an office which has imposed the duty upon its incumbent. But no matter out of what fact or relations the duty has grown, what the law requires, and what it seeks to enforce by a writ of mandamus, is the personal obligation of the individual to whom it addresses the writ.”

    Following much good faith research regarding the issue of original jurisdiction in the Supreme Court of the United States, We the People have found no cases in the history of jurisprudence of the United States of America wherein a Defendant disputed the Constitutional fact that the Supreme Court of the United States has original jurisdiction over “all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls” as plainly stated in the Constitution of the United States, Article III, Section 2.

    That being the case, “We the People” respectfully request that the Barack Hussein Obama stipulate to the fact that the Supreme Court of the United States has original jurisdiction over all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls; or, in the alternative, that Barack Hussein Obama show good cause why the Supreme Court of the United States shall not have original jurisdiction.

    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/06/how-to-start-and-lead-citizens-grand.html

  82. Free speech,

    The only strategy I have is the one I mentioned the other day, whereby jbjd said no, and of course I disagee with her on that point only.

    I don’t. Have all the answers, but neither does anyone else. I will however continue to attempt my suggestion even if all says no possible.

    I guess that for now is the best I can say.

  83. Free Speech
    i keep hearing you mention grand juries. have you started one yourself?

  84. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Free Speech -

    Clarify something for me.

    We all know that the USSC chooses and picks. The last I knew, they chose to hear less than 1% of cases sent to them. But perhaps this is in regards appeals.

    Are you saying that they have to hear cases that come to them under Original Jurisdiction? That the picking and choosing only applies to appeals?

  85. http://www.wnd.com
    http://www.repubx.com
    gOLDMAN sACK ASKED TO TAKE OVER BP’S
    ASSEYS SO THEY DO NOT GO BANKRUPT??
    What is a few billion dollars when CCX,CHICAGO CLIMATE EXCHANGE ,STANDS TO MAKE 10 TRILLION PLUS IF A CLIMATE BILL PASSES???
    This is what this is all about.They desperately need a Climate bill ,at the peril of American citiens,so all involved with CCX CAN RAKE IN TRILLIONS
    Beck exposed this weeks ago.Jarrett and BO started CCX A FEW YRS AGO.This is their plan!! Needs to be investigated and get the TRUTH OUT ABOUT THIS HUGE SCAM.Gore,Reigns,goldman sacs,BO ,JARRET AND WHO KNOWS WHO ALL IS INVOLVED?? wE SAY ANY SENANATOR AO CONGRESSMEN THAT IS FOR CLIMATE BILL PROBABLY HAS SHARES IN THERE SOMEWHERE?????

    BECK’S NEW BOOK OVERTON WINDOW,A THRILLER.Beck says he hopes the end stays fictional and not come to reality
    http://www.orlytaitzesq.com

    http://www.americangrandjury.org

  86. William – 2:53 PM & 5:28 PM

    Yes, I can appreciate the problems with LIFO inventory valuation method, although my business clients were not directly affected. You are right about the irresponsibility of government compared with the pressures put upon private business by the same government.

    With respect to our discussions concerning legal ways to approach the BHO problem, IMO this session has been the most penetrating and most peaceful of any to date. It has been extremely helpful in sorting out some of the controversies and practical ways to accomplish the desired goal.

    I concur with your statement at 5:28 PM:

    “I don’t. Have all the answers, but neither does anyone else. I will however continue to attempt my suggestion even if all says not possible.

    I guess that for now is the best I can say. “

  87. FINANCIAL TYRANNICAL SLAVERY FOR THE FREE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!

    Here Is HORRIBLE Financial News For The FREE USA That Is The Direct End Result Of The Daily Massive Illegal Crimes Committed By The Daily Serial Crimimal Illegal Usurper Barack Obama On All American Citizens, And Daily Massive Crimes Committed By Timothy Geithner, & Ben Bernanke In The USA On ALL FREE USA American Citizens!!

    To Avoid Being Audited by the USA Government, The Federal Reserve Has Purchased USA Sovereign Debt – Through The Illegal Deals Made By Tim Geithner, Ben Bernanke, and The Serial Criminal Illegal Alien Barry Soetoro/
    Barack Obama

    http://www.infowars.com/federal-reserve-purchases-u-s-sovereign-debt
    Leave a Comment

  88. TRUTH NOW @ 5:43 pm
    Just so you know I’m really bad at stocks/bonds “stuff” my financial planner does that for me. I looked at CCX and I pulled this up, it looks to me like it is at the London Exchange, do SEC rules apply? For purposes of an investigation for instance could a person or an entity for example CW purchase one stock, and order all the documentation that a customer could request to see what is swimming beneath the surface?
    “Climate Exchange plc LON CLE 748.00 +3.50 (0.47%) 357.05M
    a regulated exchange in the United States with a portfolio of environmental futures contracts and Chicago Climate Exchange (CCX), which operates the voluntary, but contractually binding cap and trade …”

  89. A MUST READ EXCELLENT ARTICLE

    “Federal Reserve Purchases U.S. Sovereign Debt”

    By Bob Chapman

    The International Forecaster
    June 17, 2010

    http://www.infowars.com/federal-reserve-purchases-u-s-sovereign-debt

    Excerpt:

    “As you have seen the titans of banking and Wall Street savaged the market on 5/6, and again are in the process of doing so, to convince Congress not to audit the Fed and to give it tyrannical monopoly powers to run America. Congress is being threatened. They are being shown the power of the Fed and its owners, if they do not do what they are being paid to do. It shows you the power of Goldman Sachs, which controls 72% of all NYSE trades and can move the market at will by front running all orders and by restricting all credit into the system. Isn’t this what derivatives are all about? They totally control all markets and it has to end. That is why you have to unseat almost all the incumbents in Congress and the Senate and bring this monopoly to an end. The Working Group on Financial markets” has to be disbanded and “Executive Orders” have to be terminated. The “Imperial Presidency” has to end if we are to continue to have a democracy. How can you have markets recovering every time they fall, as if by magic? You cannot have manipulation of markets, as we have experienced in gold and silver since 1988. We wrote our first article on the subject in August 1988 in the “Bull & Bear,” which David still publishes. How can we continue to have SEC authorized rule breaking by allowing naked shorting?

    How can we allow corporations to carry two sets of books and mark assets to model? What is wrong with American businessmen and our representatives? They allow this to go on supposedly for the better good, as they stuff their pockets with cash. Now they want to allow a Federal Reserve monopoly, what is wrong with these people? What has happened to our country? The Illuminists who run our country from behind the scenes do whatever they please and it has to stop. Our country has become the laughing stock of the world, as Europeans and Asians, as well as Latin Americans rush to buy gold and silver. They cannot get rid of dollars and euros fast enough. Obviously some people are waking up, but not more than 2% of Americans. In Wall Street and banking if you do not roll with the establishment you get destroyed. Look at what we have had to put up with for 50 years. Look at what happened to Bear Stearns, Lehman Brothers and countless others who you have never heard of. Most people on Wall Street know what is going on, but they won’t talk about it. They do not want to be ostracized or run out of business. We as well can assure you Wall Street and banking owns the SEC, CFTC and most of the House and Senate.

    It was a year and one-half ago we told you that $800 billion in stimulus wasn’t enough. That is now proving to be the case. Get ready for another liquidity barrage, called quantitative easing. It will also mean real interest rates will rise again. The backbone of most all nations of the world is debt not gold, silver or a basket of commodities. Greece is being blamed, but all told, 19 nations are on the edge of bankruptcy.”

    The Full Article Continues At This Link:

    http://www.infowars.com/federal-reserve-purchases-u-s-sovereign-debt

  90. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Michelle // June 18, 2010 at 3:21 pm

    yo @ 2:57 pm
    http://hotairpundit.blogspot.com/2010/06/newsweek-editor-julia-reed-on-cnn-obama.html
    I disagree with Julia on one thing she said Obama has been disconnected for the last two months, I would say he’s be disconnected since the day he was born in more ways than one. The sins of the country are visited on the Gulf States, and all other innocents?

    This may be the most Anti-American thing Zero has yet done. When is the last straw?

    In the meantime, Cuba, Venezuela, Brazil, China, Russia, and others are still out there deep drilling. Only USA has stopped. If that is not knifing USA in the back in regards the economic balance with the rest of the world, then I don’t know what is.

    Yet another liberal/progressive (or is it enviro-terrorism) “unintended consequences”, or is it ON PURPOSE?!?!

  91. The great historical journal of record for the global economy: ‘The Economist,’ has finally thrown in the towel on this guy.

    They have dubbed him, ‘Vladimir Obama!’ 150 years from now, scholars will be still reading the Economist.

    This is almost as indelible as having the name carved in granite.

  92. A MUST READ EXCELLENT ARTICLE

    “Federal Reserve Purchases U.S. Sovereign Debt”

    By Bob Chapman

    The International Forecaster
    June 17, 2010

    http://www.infowars.com/federal-reserve-purchases-u-s-sovereign-debt

    Excerpt:

    “As you have seen the titans of banking and Wall Street savaged the market on 5/6, and again are in the process of doing so, to convince Congress not to audit the Fed and to give it tyrannical monopoly powers to run America.

    Congress is being threatened. They are being shown the power of the Fed and its owners, if they do not do what they are being paid to do.

    It shows you the power of Goldman Sachs, which controls 72% of all NYSE trades and can move the market at will by front running all orders and by restricting all credit into the system. Isn’t this what derivatives are all about? They totally control all markets and it has to end.

    That is why you have to unseat almost all the incumbents in Congress and the Senate and bring this monopoly to an end. The Working Group on Financial markets” has to be disbanded and “Executive Orders” have to be terminated.

    The “Imperial Presidency” has to end if we are to continue to have a democracy. How can you have markets recovering every time they fall, as if by magic?

    You cannot have manipulation of markets, as we have experienced in gold and silver since 1988. We wrote our first article on the subject in August 1988 in the “Bull & Bear,” which David still publishes.

    How can we continue to have SEC authorized rule breaking by allowing naked shorting?

    How can we allow corporations to carry two sets of books and mark assets to model?

    What is wrong with American businessmen and our representatives? They allow this to go on supposedly for the better good, as they stuff their pockets with cash.

    Now they want to allow a Federal Reserve monopoly, what is wrong with these people? What has happened to our country? The Illuminists who run our country from behind the scenes do whatever they please and it has to stop.

    Our country has become the laughing stock of the world, as Europeans and Asians, as well as Latin Americans rush to buy gold and silver. They cannot get rid of dollars and euros fast enough.

    Obviously some people are waking up, but not more than 2% of Americans. In Wall Street and banking if you do not roll with the establishment you get destroyed. Look at what we have had to put up with for 50 years.

    Look at what happened to Bear Stearns, Lehman Brothers and countless others who you have never heard of.

    Most people on Wall Street know what is going on, but they won’t talk about it. They do not want to be ostracized or run out of business. We as well can assure you Wall Street and banking owns the SEC, CFTC and most of the House and Senate.

    It was a year and one-half ago we told you that $800 billion in stimulus wasn’t enough. That is now proving to be the case.

    Get ready for another liquidity barrage, called quantitative easing. It will also mean real interest rates will rise again.

    The backbone of most all nations of the world is debt not gold, silver or a basket of commodities. Greece is being blamed, but all told, 19 nations are on the edge of bankruptcy.”

    The Full Article Continues At This Link:

    http://www.infowars.com/federal-reserve-purchases-u-s-sovereign-debt

  93. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Starla // June 18, 2010 at 6:01 pm

    A MUST READ EXCELLENT ARTICLE

    “Federal Reserve Purchases U.S. Sovereign Debt”

    ==========================

    I have said this many times. We may already be doomed. It is hard to understand how to get rid of the Fed or to tame the Fed. They already have atom bombs strapped to each and everyone of our gonads. We do not have the collective will to endure the “pain” the Fed will cause us if we push on them harder than they would like.

    Seriously – I don’t see a way out. Are you willing to go totally bankrupt? Are you willing to go for a year or more with nothing to eat except the grass in your own front lawn? The Fed could cause this to happen RIGHT NOW. They have the resources to weather any storm this would cause.

    Who do you think would outlast? Who cries “uncle” first? I guarantee you the the Fed’s “will to survive” is stronger than yours.

  94. Impeach Obama Exclusive: Could the Obama Administration be Blocking Gulf Clean-up Efforts Intentionally?

    At first blush this sounds like an outlandish question with a conspiratorial twist. The corollary question goes like this: Is the Obama administration intentionally scaling back clean-up efforts in the Gulf in an attempt to maximize the damage so Democrats in Congress will have an excuse to take effective control over yet another major sector of our economy and impose crippling and draconian new taxes on the American people?

    For more, go to:
    http://www.impeachobamacampaign.com/impeach-obama-exclusive-could-the-obama-administration-be-blocking-gulf-clean-up-efforts-intentionally/

  95. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) @ 6:09 pm
    “Yet another liberal/progressive (or is it enviro-terrorism) “unintended consequences”, or is it ON PURPOSE?!?!”
    They call themselves progressive, I call him STUPID. I saw a good cartoon, it was to the effect the Titanic sunk, no one put up a moratorium on ships. When we look through history how many ship wrecks may there be? recent and ancient?, Space launches no one stopped space exploration-well not until Obama but it wasn’t because of safety.

  96. Are you willing to go for a year or more with nothing to eat except the grass in your own front lawn? The Fed could cause this to happen RIGHT NOW
    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    CC–that is so irrational—I have over one year of food stored and have been storing for almost 2 years—in tough times, really tough times, I can make it last for 2 years.

    People have been warned for months to store food—did you think the economist, the alarmist were crazy??
    I didn’t and let me tell you, every extra $100 went for canned goods, etc.

  97. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    JJ // June 18, 2010 at 10:59 pm
    ========================

    Sure – I agree with you. You sound like you have more than me – but I could last a while.

    But you act like I directed my comment specifically to you! I did not – I was speaking to a broad general “you”.

    Your ability to survive and/or absorb hardship is very rare. Certainly less than 1 in a thousand, and probably less than 1 in a million.

    As a broad sweeping statement, I stand by my analysis. The Fed will win. The country – including Mr. and Mrs. Everyman will collapse far sooner than the Fed.

  98. 68truthseeker

    Robert Gibbs Is Asked About Obama’s Connecticut Social Security Number

  99. 68truthseeker

    Obama’s Social Security Number(s) – Jerome Corsi on the Jeff Kuhner Show – 5/18/10

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